asiddha vs asiddhavat [ was: Consonant Sandhi and Asiddhatva]

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Dear Sir,

 

You have very nicely explained the queries of Mr Pandey.

 

My query is:

 

Is there any difference between asiddha and asiddhavat ?

 

The traditional interpreters/commentators of Panini take both of them to

mean the same thing. Dr S D Joshi is of similar view. But Prof J Bronkhorst

considers them different. What is your view ?

 

Regards.

Narayan Prasad

 

"deshpandem" <mmdesh wrote:

Dear Chetan,

 

Within the tripAdI of the aSTAdhyAyI, a previous rule does not recognize the

operation/product of a subsequent rule (pUrvam prati param kAryam asiddham). If

's' in rAmas before zete were to undergo P.8.4.54 (khari ca), it would be

replaced by nothing other than 's', since this 's' is part of the group

designated by 'car' (khari pare jhalAm caraH syuH). But this operation is not

recognized by the earlier rule P.8.4.39, and it goes ahead and changes 's' to

'z'. This 'z' is recognized by the subsequent rule P.8.4.54. Here, even if it

were to apply, 'z' would be replaced by nothing other than 'z', since 's' is

included in both 'jhal' and 'car'.

 

The rule vipratiSedhe param kAryam does not extend to the tripAdI section of the

aSTAdhyAyI, and historically has a limited scope within the ekasamjJAdhikAra

(AkaDArAd ekA saMjJA). It is Patanjali who extends its scope to the rest of the

aSTAdhyAyI, creating more problems in the process. Solving those problems leads

him into proposing a strange interpretation of 'para' in 'param kAryam' as being

equivalent of 'iSTa' (parazabdaH iSTavAcI), thus the rule coming to mean: when

two rules conflict, apply the desirable rule. This of course is not what Panini

had in his mind.

 

Best, Madhav Deshpande

 

INDOLOGY, Chetan Pandey <chetanpandey> wrote:

 

Dear List:

 

I am studying Consonant Sandhis these days. And I realized that most of them are

in the Tripadi Section (8.2-8.4). I am facing this difficulty in understanding

some rules.

 

For example, 'stoH scunA scuH' is 8.4.39 and 'khari ca' is 8.4.54. Now in rAmas

+ shete, 's' of rAma is a jhal and 'sh' of shete is a khar.

 

Then why is the rAmas + shete not getting 'charatva' by khari ca but getting

sh-chutva by stoH scunA scuH.

 

Question. is Vipratishedhe param karyam asiddha in Tripadi ?

 

Another Question. Then what happens when their is a vipratishedh ?

 

Final Question. What makes stoH scunA scuH baliiya(balavaan) than 'khari ca' ?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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