Consonant Sandhi and Asiddhatva

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Dear List:

 

I am studying Consonant Sandhis these days. And I realized that most of them are

in the Tripadi Section (8.2-8.4).I am facing this difficulty in understanding

some rules.

 

For example, 'stoH scunA scuH' is 8.4.39 and 'khari ca' is 8.4.54

 

Now in rAmas + shete,

 

's' of rAma is a jhal and 'sh' of shete is a khar.

Then why is the rAmas + shete not getting 'charatva' by khari ca but getting

sh-chutva by stoH scunA scuH.

 

Question. is Vipratishedhe param karyam asiddha in Tripadi

 

Another Question. Then what happens when their is a vipratishedh

 

Final Question. What makes stoH scunA scuH baliiya(balavaan) than 'khari ca'

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Chetan, Within the tripAdI of the aSTAdhyAyI, a previous rule does

not recognize the operation/product of a subsequent rule (pUrvam

prati param kAryam asiddham). If 's' in rAmas before zete were to

undergo P.8.4.54 (khari ca), it would be replaced by nothing other than

's', since this 's' is is part of the group designated by 'car' (khari

pare jhalAm caraH syuH). But this operation is not recognized by

the earlier rule P.8.4.39, and it goes ahead and changes 's' to 'z'.

This 'z' is recognized by the subsequent rule P.8.4.54. Here, even if

it were to apply, 'z' would be replaced by nothing other than 'z',

since 's' is included in both 'jhal' and 'car'. The rule

vipratiSedhe param kAryam does not extend to the tripAdI section of the

aSTAdhyAyI, and historically has a limited scope within the

ekasamjJAdhikAra (AkaDArAd ekA saMjJA). It is Patanjali who extends its

scope to the rest of the aSTAdhyAyI, creating more problems in the process.

Solving those problems leads him into proposing a

strange interpretation of 'para' in 'param kAryam' as being equivalent

of 'iSTa' (parazabdaH iSTavAcI), thus the rule coming to mean: when

two rules conflict, apply the desirable rule. This of course is not

what Panini had in his mind. Best, Madhav

Deshpande INDOLOGY, Chetan Pandey

<chetanpandey> wrote: > > > Dear List: > > I am

studying Consonant Sandhis these days. And I realized that most of them are

in the Tripadi Section (8.2-8.4).I am facing this difficulty in

understanding some rules. > > For example, 'stoH scunA scuH' is 8.4.39

and 'khari ca' is 8.4.54 > > Now in rAmas + shete, > > 's' of

rAma is a jhal and 'sh' of shete is a khar. > Then why is the rAmas + shete

not getting 'charatva' by khari ca but getting sh-chutva by stoH scunA

scuH. > > Question. is Vipratishedhe param karyam asiddha in

Tripadi > > Another Question. Then what happens when their is a

vipratishedh > > Final Question. What makes stoH scunA scuH

baliiya(balavaan) than 'khari ca' > > Thanks. > > >

> > Do You

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I have no idea how the characters " " got inserted in my message

in so many places. I am sorry if that makes reading my message

rather difficult.

 

Madhav Deshpande

 

INDOLOGY, "deshpandem" <mmdesh@U...> wrote:

>

> Dear Chetan, Within the tripAdI of the aSTAdhyAyI, a

previous rule does not recognize the operation/product of a

subsequent rule (pUrvam prati param kAryam asiddham). If 's' in

rAmas before zete were to undergo P.8.4.54 (khari ca), it would

be replaced by nothing other than 's', since this 's' is is part

of the group designated by 'car' (khari pare jhalAm caraH syuH).

But this operation is not recognized by the earlier rule P.8.4.

39, and it goes ahead and changes 's' to 'z'. This 'z' is

recognized by the subsequent rule P.8.4.54. Here, even if it

were to apply, 'z' would be replaced by nothing other than 'z',

since 's' is included in both 'jhal' and 'car'. The rule

vipratiSedhe param kAryam does not extend to the tripAdI section

of the aSTAdhyAyI, and historically has a limited scope within

the ekasamjJAdhikAra (AkaDArAd ekA saMjJA). It is Patanjali who

extends its scope to the rest of the aSTAdhyAyI, creating more

problems in the process. Solving those problems leads him into

proposing a strange interpretation of 'para' in 'param kAryam' as

being equivalent of 'iSTa' (parazabdaH iSTavAcI), thus the rule

coming to mean: when two rules conflict, apply the desirable

rule. This of course is not what Panini had in his mind. Best,

Madhav Deshpande INDOLOGY (AT) (DOT)

com, Chetan Pandey <chetanpandey> wrote: > > > Dear

List: > > I am studying Consonant Sandhis these days. And I

realized that most of them are in the Tripadi Section (8.2-8.4).

I am facing this difficulty in understanding some rules. >

> For example, 'stoH scunA scuH' is 8.4.39 and 'khari ca' is 8.

4.54 > > Now in rAmas + shete, > > 's' of rAma is a

jhal and 'sh' of shete is a khar. > Then why is the rAmas + shete

not getting 'charatva' by khari ca but getting sh-chutva by stoH

scunA scuH. > > Question. is Vipratishedhe param karyam

asiddha in Tripadi > > Another Question. Then what happens

when their is a vipratishedh > > Final Question. What makes

stoH scunA scuH baliiya(balavaan) than 'khari ca' > >

Thanks. > > > >

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