Panini question

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Dear list members,

 

A friend of mine is saying that according to Panini rules 8.4.58 and 8.4.59

that the prefix " sam " must always change its final "m" to the class nasal

of the following consonent or semi-vowel, and doesn't have the option to

remain as anusvara. I.e. that rule 8.4.58 applies but rule 8.4.59 doesn't

apply because " sam " is an upasarga and not a pada.

 

 

 

1. My understanding has always been that the external rules of sandhi apply

to " sam " as a prefix exactly like to the first member of a compound. (I'm

talking about in general and not about the special complications of " sam "

before " kR " forms.

 

2. Are upasargas considered padas by Panini.

 

3. Are the rules of sandhi governing the joining of upasargas to nouns or

verbs, the same as the rules joining two members of a compound.

 

Thanks for any clarification of this.

 

Harry

 

 

 

Harry Spier

371 Brickman Rd.

Hurleyville, New York

USA 12747

 

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Dear Harry,

 

P.8.4.59 does indeed apply to the combination of the upasarga "sam"

with the following. All upasargas are treated as padas by Panini.

The rule that says that the gerund affix -ya, in stead of -tvA, is

used when the root is in combination with an upasarga, actually uses

the term samAsa 'compound' to refer to the combination of an upasarga

with the following gerund form (P.7.1.37). The combination of an

upasarga with a finite verb is sometimes a samAsa and sometimes not,

depending upon the accents of the verb, but in either case, the

upasarga is treated as a pada, compounded or uncompounded. Keep in

mind that the process of compounding is different from sandhi. Thus,

the rule P.8.4.59 does indeed apply to combinations of "sam" and hence

the change of the anusvAra to the homorganic nasal is optional. The

term "optional" reflects a more traditional understanding of the term

vA in the rule. Paul Kiparsky's research shows that the term vA

provides a preferred option, in contrast with the non-preferred option

indicated by the term vibhASA, and the neutral option indicated by the

term anyatarasyAm. But in any case, there is an option. Best,

 

Madhav Deshpande

 

 

INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote:

> Dear list members,

>

> A friend of mine is saying that according to Panini rules 8.4.58 and

8.4.59

> that the prefix " sam " must always change its final "m" to the

class nasal

> of the following consonent or semi-vowel, and doesn't have the

option to

> remain as anusvara. I.e. that rule 8.4.58 applies but rule 8.4.59

doesn't

> apply because " sam " is an upasarga and not a pada.

>

>

>

> 1. My understanding has always been that the external rules of

sandhi apply

> to " sam " as a prefix exactly like to the first member of a

compound. (I'm

> talking about in general and not about the special complications of

" sam "

> before " kR " forms.

>

> 2. Are upasargas considered padas by Panini.

>

> 3. Are the rules of sandhi governing the joining of upasargas to

nouns or

> verbs, the same as the rules joining two members of a compound.

>

> Thanks for any clarification of this.

>

> Harry

>

>

>

> Harry Spier

> 371 Brickman Rd.

> Hurleyville, New York

> USA 12747

>

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