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Thanks, Harry!

 

I have done the same excercise for the 2002 Dubrovnik Epic/Puranic

conference.

 

* most importantly, the position of "ha" at the END of a sentence/paada

is unusual, post-Vedic.

Particles like ha should be in 2nd position of a sentence/line.

Clearly, this here is caused by metrical / space considerations (end of

Pada b/d!)

 

NB: Harvard PhD on ha/gha by A. Hejib(-Agera), 1989. The work was

hijacked, we heard then, by her husband and published. It contains

post-RV data as well.

 

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Hejib, Alaka.

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Ãha, Gha and Ha in the Ṛgveda / by Alaka Hejib. 1984.

 

 

* I did a detailed study (among others) of the same problem with the

"Vedic" particle "vai".

Again, about 1/7 of all cases of vai in the Mbh/Ram. are in paada final

position... and, as expected, all found in the late Ram. books 1 and 7,

and in Mbh. 12/13.

 

The same feature is also found in the late/post-Vedic Martanda Brahmana

(part of the fragmentary Katha Brahmana). This text even has the

local Kashmiri rivers of Mattan near Anantnag ...

 

Useful facets for dating parts of the Mbh/ Ram.

 

MW>

 

On Jun 20, 2004, at 5:35 PM, harryspier2000 wrote:

 

> INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote:

> While reading the Uttara Kanda I noticed a preponderance of the

> letter ha. Therefore I gathered some statistical data from the first

> 1000 verses of Bala Kanda, Ayodhya Kanda, Sundara Kanda and Uttara

> Kanda.

> ----------------

>

> I downloaded the uttara kanda and the yuddha kanda from John Smiths

> website and loaded them into a programmers editor I use called

> Textpad. I collected all the lines ending in "ha" and sorted them on

> the word preceeding the line final "ha".

>

> In the uttara kanda the word ha occurs at the end of a pada about 70

> times. Of these 70 times the majority (about 60 out of the 70) occur

> after a 3rd person singular verb in the perfect tense (presumably for

> metrical purposes). I.e uvAca ha , dadarza ha , jagAda ha etc. The

> most common verb it followed at the end of a pada by far was uvAca.

> ha never followed uvAca except at the end of a pada. In the yudha

> kanda the usage of ha at pada end was also mainly after a verb in the

> perfect tense.

>

> Regards,

> Harry

>

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Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University

1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138

1-617-495 3295 Fax: 496 8571

direct line: 496 2990

http://witzel (AT) fas (DOT) harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm

 

 

 

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What is the frequency of occurance of ha in yuddha kanda compared to 70 in

uttara kanda?

 

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harryspier2000 <harryspier wrote:

INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote:

While reading the Uttara Kanda I noticed a preponderance of the

letter ha. Therefore I gathered some statistical data from the first

1000 verses of Bala Kanda, Ayodhya Kanda, Sundara Kanda and Uttara

Kanda.

----------------

 

I downloaded the uttara kanda and the yuddha kanda from John Smiths

website and loaded them into a programmers editor I use called

Textpad. I collected all the lines ending in "ha" and sorted them on

the word preceeding the line final "ha".

 

In the uttara kanda the word ha occurs at the end of a pada about 70

times. Of these 70 times the majority (about 60 out of the 70) occur

after a 3rd person singular verb in the perfect tense (presumably for

metrical purposes). I.e uvAca ha , dadarza ha , jagAda ha etc. The

most common verb it followed at the end of a pada by far was uvAca.

ha never followed uvAca except at the end of a pada. In the yudha

kanda the usage of ha at pada end was also mainly after a verb in the

perfect tense.

 

Regards,

Harry

 

 

 

 

 

 

INDOLOGY/

 

INDOLOGY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear list members,

 

What I think this shows is how useful a programmers editor can be in doing

quick searchs and analysis like this. The editor Textpad has some features

that make it particularly good for this.

 

1.It does "regular expression" searches. This is a way to do VERY

sophisticated and complex searches. quite simply.

2. It can mark all lines that contain the desired string and delete all

other lines.

3. It has a sort feature.

4. It has keystroke macros.

 

As a simple example suppose you wanted to find all the lines in the uttara

kanda that had gerunds in tvA but prefixed by the prepositions pra, ava,

abhi, ati, adhi or vi etc. .

 

1. The regular expression (pra|va|bhi|ti|dhi|vi)[^ ]*tv means all strings

that start with pra, va, bhi, ti, dhi, or vi end with tv with no intervening

blanks. So you do a "search and mark" command for lines containing regular

expression (pra|va|bhi|ti|dhi|vi)[^ ]*tv .

 

2. Do a delete all unmarked lines command. This leaves you with 16 lines

that contain strings that start with pra, va, bhi, ti, dhi, or vi end with

tv with no intervening blanks.

 

3. A visual inspection of these gives you:

pramuktvA in line 7033018a

prajvAlayitvA in line 7034040a

 

 

This is a simple example but in a small way shows the power of regular

expressions for searching sanskrit.

 

Regards,

Harry

 

 

Harry Spier

371 Brickman Rd.

Hurleyville, New York

USA 12747

 

 

 

 

>Michael Witzel <witzel

>INDOLOGY

>INDOLOGY

>Re: [Y-Indology] ha in Uttara Kanda

>Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:16:36 -0400

>

>Thanks, Harry!

>

>I have done the same excercise for the 2002 Dubrovnik Epic/Puranic

>conference.

>

>* most importantly, the position of "ha" at the END of a sentence/paada

>is unusual, post-Vedic.

>Particles like ha should be in 2nd position of a sentence/line.

>Clearly, this here is caused by metrical / space considerations (end of

>Pada b/d!)

>

>NB: Harvard PhD on ha/gha by A. Hejib(-Agera), 1989. The work was

>hijacked, we heard then, by her husband and published. It contains

>post-RV data as well.

>

> ----------

>

>Hejib, Alaka.

> ----------

>

>Ãha, Gha and Ha in the Ṛgveda / by Alaka Hejib. 1984.

>

>

>* I did a detailed study (among others) of the same problem with the

>"Vedic" particle "vai".

>Again, about 1/7 of all cases of vai in the Mbh/Ram. are in paada final

>position... and, as expected, all found in the late Ram. books 1 and 7,

>and in Mbh. 12/13.

>

>The same feature is also found in the late/post-Vedic Martanda Brahmana

> (part of the fragmentary Katha Brahmana). This text even has the

>local Kashmiri rivers of Mattan near Anantnag ...

>

>Useful facets for dating parts of the Mbh/ Ram.

>

>MW>

>

>On Jun 20, 2004, at 5:35 PM, harryspier2000 wrote:

>

> > INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote:

> > While reading the Uttara Kanda I noticed a preponderance of the

> > letter ha. Therefore I gathered some statistical data from the first

> > 1000 verses of Bala Kanda, Ayodhya Kanda, Sundara Kanda and Uttara

> > Kanda.

> > ----------------

> >

> > I downloaded the uttara kanda and the yuddha kanda from John Smiths

> > website and loaded them into a programmers editor I use called

> > Textpad. I collected all the lines ending in "ha" and sorted them on

> > the word preceeding the line final "ha".

> >

> > In the uttara kanda the word ha occurs at the end of a pada about 70

> > times. Of these 70 times the majority (about 60 out of the 70) occur

> > after a 3rd person singular verb in the perfect tense (presumably for

> > metrical purposes). I.e uvAca ha , dadarza ha , jagAda ha etc. The

> > most common verb it followed at the end of a pada by far was uvAca.

> > ha never followed uvAca except at the end of a pada. In the yudha

> > kanda the usage of ha at pada end was also mainly after a verb in the

> > perfect tense.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Harry

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>Michael Witzel

>Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University

>1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138

>1-617-495 3295 Fax: 496 8571

>direct line: 496 2990

>http://witzel (AT) fas (DOT) harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm

>

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