Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Thanks, Harry! I have done the same excercise for the 2002 Dubrovnik Epic/Puranic conference. * most importantly, the position of "ha" at the END of a sentence/paada is unusual, post-Vedic. Particles like ha should be in 2nd position of a sentence/line. Clearly, this here is caused by metrical / space considerations (end of Pada b/d!) NB: Harvard PhD on ha/gha by A. Hejib(-Agera), 1989. The work was hijacked, we heard then, by her husband and published. It contains post-RV data as well. ---------- Hejib, Alaka. ---------- Ãha, Gha and Ha in the Ṛgveda / by Alaka Hejib. 1984. * I did a detailed study (among others) of the same problem with the "Vedic" particle "vai". Again, about 1/7 of all cases of vai in the Mbh/Ram. are in paada final position... and, as expected, all found in the late Ram. books 1 and 7, and in Mbh. 12/13. The same feature is also found in the late/post-Vedic Martanda Brahmana (part of the fragmentary Katha Brahmana). This text even has the local Kashmiri rivers of Mattan near Anantnag ... Useful facets for dating parts of the Mbh/ Ram. MW> On Jun 20, 2004, at 5:35 PM, harryspier2000 wrote: > INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote: > While reading the Uttara Kanda I noticed a preponderance of the > letter ha. Therefore I gathered some statistical data from the first > 1000 verses of Bala Kanda, Ayodhya Kanda, Sundara Kanda and Uttara > Kanda. > ---------------- > > I downloaded the uttara kanda and the yuddha kanda from John Smiths > website and loaded them into a programmers editor I use called > Textpad. I collected all the lines ending in "ha" and sorted them on > the word preceeding the line final "ha". > > In the uttara kanda the word ha occurs at the end of a pada about 70 > times. Of these 70 times the majority (about 60 out of the 70) occur > after a 3rd person singular verb in the perfect tense (presumably for > metrical purposes). I.e uvAca ha , dadarza ha , jagAda ha etc. The > most common verb it followed at the end of a pada by far was uvAca. > ha never followed uvAca except at the end of a pada. In the yudha > kanda the usage of ha at pada end was also mainly after a verb in the > perfect tense. > > Regards, > Harry > > > Links > > > > > > Michael Witzel Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University 1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138 1-617-495 3295 Fax: 496 8571 direct line: 496 2990 http://witzel (AT) fas (DOT) harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 What is the frequency of occurance of ha in yuddha kanda compared to 70 in uttara kanda? PKR harryspier2000 <harryspier wrote: INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote: While reading the Uttara Kanda I noticed a preponderance of the letter ha. Therefore I gathered some statistical data from the first 1000 verses of Bala Kanda, Ayodhya Kanda, Sundara Kanda and Uttara Kanda. ---------------- I downloaded the uttara kanda and the yuddha kanda from John Smiths website and loaded them into a programmers editor I use called Textpad. I collected all the lines ending in "ha" and sorted them on the word preceeding the line final "ha". In the uttara kanda the word ha occurs at the end of a pada about 70 times. Of these 70 times the majority (about 60 out of the 70) occur after a 3rd person singular verb in the perfect tense (presumably for metrical purposes). I.e uvAca ha , dadarza ha , jagAda ha etc. The most common verb it followed at the end of a pada by far was uvAca. ha never followed uvAca except at the end of a pada. In the yudha kanda the usage of ha at pada end was also mainly after a verb in the perfect tense. Regards, Harry INDOLOGY/ INDOLOGY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Dear list members, What I think this shows is how useful a programmers editor can be in doing quick searchs and analysis like this. The editor Textpad has some features that make it particularly good for this. 1.It does "regular expression" searches. This is a way to do VERY sophisticated and complex searches. quite simply. 2. It can mark all lines that contain the desired string and delete all other lines. 3. It has a sort feature. 4. It has keystroke macros. As a simple example suppose you wanted to find all the lines in the uttara kanda that had gerunds in tvA but prefixed by the prepositions pra, ava, abhi, ati, adhi or vi etc. . 1. The regular expression (pra|va|bhi|ti|dhi|vi)[^ ]*tv means all strings that start with pra, va, bhi, ti, dhi, or vi end with tv with no intervening blanks. So you do a "search and mark" command for lines containing regular expression (pra|va|bhi|ti|dhi|vi)[^ ]*tv . 2. Do a delete all unmarked lines command. This leaves you with 16 lines that contain strings that start with pra, va, bhi, ti, dhi, or vi end with tv with no intervening blanks. 3. A visual inspection of these gives you: pramuktvA in line 7033018a prajvAlayitvA in line 7034040a This is a simple example but in a small way shows the power of regular expressions for searching sanskrit. Regards, Harry Harry Spier 371 Brickman Rd. Hurleyville, New York USA 12747 >Michael Witzel <witzel >INDOLOGY >INDOLOGY >Re: [Y-Indology] ha in Uttara Kanda >Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:16:36 -0400 > >Thanks, Harry! > >I have done the same excercise for the 2002 Dubrovnik Epic/Puranic >conference. > >* most importantly, the position of "ha" at the END of a sentence/paada >is unusual, post-Vedic. >Particles like ha should be in 2nd position of a sentence/line. >Clearly, this here is caused by metrical / space considerations (end of >Pada b/d!) > >NB: Harvard PhD on ha/gha by A. Hejib(-Agera), 1989. The work was >hijacked, we heard then, by her husband and published. It contains >post-RV data as well. > > ---------- > >Hejib, Alaka. > ---------- > >Ãha, Gha and Ha in the Ṛgveda / by Alaka Hejib. 1984. > > >* I did a detailed study (among others) of the same problem with the >"Vedic" particle "vai". >Again, about 1/7 of all cases of vai in the Mbh/Ram. are in paada final >position... and, as expected, all found in the late Ram. books 1 and 7, >and in Mbh. 12/13. > >The same feature is also found in the late/post-Vedic Martanda Brahmana > (part of the fragmentary Katha Brahmana). This text even has the >local Kashmiri rivers of Mattan near Anantnag ... > >Useful facets for dating parts of the Mbh/ Ram. > >MW> > >On Jun 20, 2004, at 5:35 PM, harryspier2000 wrote: > > > INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote: > > While reading the Uttara Kanda I noticed a preponderance of the > > letter ha. Therefore I gathered some statistical data from the first > > 1000 verses of Bala Kanda, Ayodhya Kanda, Sundara Kanda and Uttara > > Kanda. > > ---------------- > > > > I downloaded the uttara kanda and the yuddha kanda from John Smiths > > website and loaded them into a programmers editor I use called > > Textpad. I collected all the lines ending in "ha" and sorted them on > > the word preceeding the line final "ha". > > > > In the uttara kanda the word ha occurs at the end of a pada about 70 > > times. Of these 70 times the majority (about 60 out of the 70) occur > > after a 3rd person singular verb in the perfect tense (presumably for > > metrical purposes). I.e uvAca ha , dadarza ha , jagAda ha etc. The > > most common verb it followed at the end of a pada by far was uvAca. > > ha never followed uvAca except at the end of a pada. In the yudha > > kanda the usage of ha at pada end was also mainly after a verb in the > > perfect tense. > > > > Regards, > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael Witzel >Department of Sanskrit and Indian Studies, Harvard University >1 Bow Street , Cambridge MA 02138 >1-617-495 3295 Fax: 496 8571 >direct line: 496 2990 >http://witzel (AT) fas (DOT) harvard.edu/~witzel/mwpage.htm > > > Links > > > > > _______________ MSN Movies - Trailers, showtimes, DVD's, and the latest news from Hollywood! http://movies.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200509ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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