Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Dear list members, Can someone identify the meter of this hymn for me. Verse 1 kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine ziva kalpadrumavipine | guJjati madhukara puJje guJjati madhukara puJje kuJavane gahane | kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA ziva haMsAvalilalitA | racayati kalAkalApam racayati kalAkalApam nRtyati mudasahitA | om hara hara hara mahAdev | Verse 2 tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA ziva zAlAmaNiracitA | tanmadhe haranikaTe tanmadhye haranikaTe gaurI mudasahitA | krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM ziva raJjitanijam IzaM | indrAdikasurasevita brahmAdika surasevita praNamati te zIrSam | om hara hara hara mahAdev | etc. Many thanks, Harry Harry Spier 371 Brickman Rd. Hurleyville, New York USA 12747 _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I have cited these verses in one of my articles on priestly Sanskrit, in the Sanskrit Ideology volume edited by Jan Houben (Brill). The form in which Harry Spier has cited them contains repetition of certain phrases in each line. If one marks off these repetitions, which remind one of Arati recitations in modern India, then the meter becomes immediately clear. Below I shall mark off the repeated portions in curly brackets: Verse 1 > kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine {ziva kalpadrumavipine}| > guJjati madhukara puJje { guJjati madhukara puJje} kuJavane gahane | > kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA {ziva haMsAvalilalitA }| > racayati kalAkalApam {racayati kalAkalApam} nRtyati mudasahitA | > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > Verse 2 > tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA {ziva zAlAmaNiracitA }| > tanmadhe haranikaTe {tanmadhye haranikaTe} gaurI mudasahitA | > krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM {ziva raJjitanijam IzaM }| > indrAdikasurasevita {brahmAdika surasevita} praNamati te zIrSam | > om hara hara hara mahAdev | The name of the effective meter escapes me at the moment, but it is the standard form of Arati recitations in Sanskrit and vernacular languages. Madhav Desh[ande INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote: > Dear list members, > > Can someone identify the meter of this hymn for me. > > Verse 1 > kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine ziva kalpadrumavipine | > guJjati madhukara puJje guJjati madhukara puJje kuJavane gahane | > kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA ziva haMsAvalilalitA | > racayati kalAkalApam racayati kalAkalApam nRtyati mudasahitA | > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > Verse 2 > tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA ziva zAlAmaNiracitA | > tanmadhe haranikaTe tanmadhye haranikaTe gaurI mudasahitA | > krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM ziva raJjitanijam IzaM | > indrAdikasurasevita brahmAdika surasevita praNamati te zIrSam | > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > etc. > > Many thanks, > Harry > > Harry Spier > 371 Brickman Rd. > Hurleyville, New York > USA 12747 > > _______________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Madhav wrote: >If one marks off these repetitions, > which remind one of Arati recitations in modern India, >then the meter becomes immediately clear. :-) When you remove the repetitions in brackets, each line then contains 22 mAtrAs but has between 15 and 17 syllables. Is this a meter based on mAtrAs like AryA only longer? Thanks, Harry INDOLOGY, "deshpandem" <mmdesh@U...> wrote: > I have cited these verses in one of my articles on priestly Sanskrit, > in the Sanskrit Ideology volume edited by Jan Houben (Brill). The > form in which Harry Spier has cited them contains repetition of > certain phrases in each line. If one marks off these repetitions, > which remind one of Arati recitations in modern India, then the meter > becomes immediately clear. Below I shall mark off the repeated > portions in curly brackets: > > Verse 1 > > kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine {ziva kalpadrumavipine}| > > guJjati madhukara puJje { guJjati madhukara puJje} kuJavane gahane | > > kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA {ziva haMsAvalilalitA }| > > racayati kalAkalApam {racayati kalAkalApam} nRtyati mudasahitA | > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > Verse 2 > > tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA {ziva zAlAmaNiracitA }| > > tanmadhe haranikaTe {tanmadhye haranikaTe} gaurI mudasahitA | > > krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM {ziva raJjitanijam IzaM }| > > indrAdikasurasevita {brahmAdika surasevita} praNamati te zIrSam | > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > The name of the effective meter escapes me at the moment, but it is > the standard form of Arati recitations in Sanskrit and vernacular > languages. > > Madhav Desh[ande > > INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > > > Can someone identify the meter of this hymn for me. > > > > Verse 1 > > kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine ziva kalpadrumavipine | > > guJjati madhukara puJje guJjati madhukara puJje kuJavane gahane | > > kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA ziva haMsAvalilalitA | > > racayati kalAkalApam racayati kalAkalApam nRtyati mudasahitA | > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > Verse 2 > > tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA ziva zAlAmaNiracitA | > > tanmadhe haranikaTe tanmadhye haranikaTe gaurI mudasahitA | > > krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM ziva raJjitanijam IzaM | > > indrAdikasurasevita brahmAdika surasevita praNamati te zIrSam | > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > etc. > > > > Many thanks, > > Harry > > > > Harry Spier > > 371 Brickman Rd. > > Hurleyville, New York > > USA 12747 > > > > _______________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 You are absolutely correct. This is a maatraa meter. Very common for Arati songs in Marathi and probably in other vernacular languages. The most popular Ganesh Arati in Marathi goes like this: sukhakartaa dukhahartaa vaartaa vighnaacii nuravii puravii prema kruu(Skt. k.r pronounced as kruu)paa jayaacii ...... In reciting these prayers, people often pronounce sukhakartaa as sukhakarataa etc. But then the maatraa count remains the same. All these lines with 22 maatraas, but with differing number of syllables. Madhav Deshpande INDOLOGY, "harryspier2000" <harryspier@H...> wrote: > Madhav wrote: > >If one marks off these repetitions, > > which remind one of Arati recitations in modern India, > >then the meter becomes immediately clear. :-) > > When you remove the repetitions in brackets, each line then contains > 22 mAtrAs but has between 15 and 17 syllables. Is this a meter based > on mAtrAs like AryA only longer? > > Thanks, > Harry > > INDOLOGY, "deshpandem" <mmdesh@U...> wrote: > > I have cited these verses in one of my articles on priestly Sanskrit, > > in the Sanskrit Ideology volume edited by Jan Houben (Brill). The > > form in which Harry Spier has cited them contains repetition of > > certain phrases in each line. If one marks off these repetitions, > > which remind one of Arati recitations in modern India, then the meter > > becomes immediately clear. Below I shall mark off the repeated > > portions in curly brackets: > > > > Verse 1 > > > kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine {ziva kalpadrumavipine}| > > > guJjati madhukara puJje { guJjati madhukara puJje} kuJavane gahane | > > > kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA {ziva haMsAvalilalitA }| > > > racayati kalAkalApam {racayati kalAkalApam} nRtyati mudasahitA | > > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > > > Verse 2 > > > tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA {ziva zAlAmaNiracitA }| > > > tanmadhe haranikaTe {tanmadhye haranikaTe} gaurI mudasahitA | > > > krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM {ziva raJjitanijam IzaM }| > > > indrAdikasurasevita {brahmAdika surasevita} praNamati te zIrSam | > > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > The name of the effective meter escapes me at the moment, but it is > > the standard form of Arati recitations in Sanskrit and vernacular > > languages. > > > > Madhav Desh[ande > > > > INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote: > > > Dear list members, > > > > > > Can someone identify the meter of this hymn for me. > > > > > > Verse 1 > > > kailAse giri zikhare kalpadrumavipine ziva kalpadrumavipine | > > > guJjati madhukara puJje guJjati madhukara puJje kuJavane gahane | > > > kokila kUjati khelati haMsAvalilalitA ziva haMsAvalilalitA | > > > racayati kalAkalApam racayati kalAkalApam nRtyati mudasahitA | > > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > > > Verse 2 > > > tasmillalitasudeze zAlAmaNiracitA ziva zAlAmaNiracitA | > > > tanmadhe haranikaTe tanmadhye haranikaTe gaurI mudasahitA | > > > krIDAm racayati bhUSAM raJjitanijam IzaM ziva raJjitanijam IzaM | > > > indrAdikasurasevita brahmAdika surasevita praNamati te zIrSam | > > > om hara hara hara mahAdev | > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > Harry > > > > > > Harry Spier > > > 371 Brickman Rd. > > > Hurleyville, New York > > > USA 12747 > > > > > > _______________ > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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