Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 I have always wondered if some of these shorter meters with yatis were origininally designed in imitation of some drum beat patterns, and if that might account for the presence of yatis there. Madhav Deshpande INDOLOGY, peekayar <peekayar> wrote: > It is not correct to state that yati occurs because > of longer paadaas as in sragdhra etc. > Apte's dictionary itself gives examples of > 8 letter verses named GAJAGATI. PRAMAANIKAA, MAANAVAKA, VIDYUNMAALAA, and SAMAANIKAA where there is a pause after 4 syllables. > > P.K.Ramakrishnan > > deshpandem <mmdesh@U...> wrote: > Harry Spier has raised an interesting question. My general sense is > that the mid-paada yati becomes necessary as the length of a paada > starts increasing beyond a certain minimum number of syllables per > paada. By the same token, a yati at the end of the paada becomes > natural. The Vedic recitational unit of an ardharca 'half Rc, > combining the first two paadas', without a break at the end of the > first paada, was gradually lost, perhaps not completely but indeed > substantially, as the length of the paadas gradually increased beyond > the norm of Vedic meters. This perhaps manifests in the optional > treatments at the end of the first paada. > > Madhav Deshpande > > INDOLOGY, "Harry Spier" <harryspier@H...> wrote: > > Dear list members, > > > > In the back of Apte's Practical Sanskrit English Dictionary there is a > > section on Sanskrit prosody where he gives definitions and examples > of the > > various sanskrit meters. In his definitions in addition to the gaNas > of the > > meters he gives the yatis - "the pause that may be made in reciting a > > quarter or verse". > > > > So for zArdUlavikrIDita he gives 12,7 for the yatis . I.e. a yati > after the > > 12th syllable and a yati at the end of the pada . > > > > In any long meter can you pause for breath at any yati that isn't > at the > > end of a pada? (Are you supposed to take a breath pause there or is it > > optional?) And if you pause for breath there, then do you break > sandhi in > > your recitation if possible? > > > > I notice in looking at the Kundalini Stavah that in most cases (but > not all) > > there are natural breaks after the 12th syllable in each pada. Out > of 32 > > lines, the twelfth syllable ends in a word break in 25 lines, a stem > of a > > compound in 4 lines, but in the middle of a word in 3 lines. > > > > Also that the hymn is constructed so that the ends of most 1st and 3rd > > padas of the verses are the same whether considered as "in pausa" or > > connected to the next pada. There are 4 exceptions to this. The > exceptions > > are two padas ending in anusvara, one pada changing visarga to " r " > , but > > also the opposite case (verse 6, pada 3) which is considered as "in > pausa" > > and not coalesced with a following vowel to preserve the meter. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harry Spier > > 371 Brickman Rd. > > Hurleyville, New York > > USA 12747 > > > > _______________ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > INDOLOGY/ > > > INDOLOGY > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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