Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Dear Dr Ganesan, Thanks for your reply. >There is lot of info about Ellis, Hodgson, Calwell in a paper >by Thomas Trautmann in M. Deshpande & J. Bronkhorst, Aryan >and Non-Aryan in India. In fact, it was Trautmann who told about >Ellis to Ed Bryant. May be worth checking to see if it was >Hodgson's idea. Could you give the details about this publication ? Kind regards. Narayan Prasad naga_ganesan <naga_ganesan wrote: INDOLOGY, "Narayan Prasad" wrote: >> (Ellis, btw, was the first to propose Dravidian language family). >But Grierson recognizes Brian Hodgson as the first to propose >Dravidian Language family [Ref 1, p.281]: Dear Dr. Narayana Prasad, F. W. Ellis is usually recognized as the one who first proposed the idea of Dravidian language family. For example. Bh. Krishnamurti, The Dravidian languages, Cambridge univ. press, 2003. p. 16-17: "As early as 1816, Francis Whyte Ellis, an English civil servant, in his Dissertation on the Telugu language" [...]. His purpose was to show that Tamil, Telugu and Kannada 'form a distinct family of languages' with which 'the Sanscrit has, in later times, espcially, intermixed, but with which it has no radical connection'. He presented considerable illustrative material, mainly lexical and grammatical, from Telugu, Kannada and Tamil in support of his hypothesis (Krishnamurti 1969b: 311-312). Ellis recognized the Dravidian languages as a family, thirty years after Sir William Jones had floated the concept of the language family in his famous lecture to the Asiatic Society of Bengal in Calcutta, on 2 February 1786." BhK's book - I chapter is at: http://assets.cambridge.org/0521771110/sample/0521771110WS.pdf Susan Okeksiw, "Francis Whyte Ellis: A Brief Review of his Work," Adyar Library Bulletin 51 (1987: L. Rocher Festschrift vol.), pp. 267-75. There is lot of info about Ellis, Hodgson, Calwell in a paper by Thomas Trautmann in M. Deshpande & J. Bronkhorst, Aryan and Non-Aryan in India. In fact, it was Trautmann who told about Ellis to Ed Bryant. May be worth checking to see if it was Hodgson's idea. Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 > We would have to find out when Hodgson proposed that. As per Dr I M Muttanna [Ref.1, p.280], Brian Hodgson gave detailed description of Arya, Dravida, Munda, Brahmi etc in hundreds of pages which were published in many volumes as early as 1830. ---------- QUOTE ------------- dakSiNa hiMdUsthAnada bhASegaLannu drAviDa vargakke sEridavugaLeMdu hELidavaralli Brian Hodgon ivanE modaliganu. kri. za. 1830-raSTu hiMdeyE Arya, drAviDa, muMDa, brAhmI ityAdiyAgi avugaLa mEle pratyEkavAda vivaraNegaLannu koTTu bareda ivana graMthavu nUrAru folio puTagaLa vividhakAMDagaLAgi prakaTavAyitu. ----------UNQUOTE----------- > Ellis wrote his thoughts in his introduction to A.D. Campbell's > _A Grammar of the Teloogoo Language Commonly Called > the Gentoo_ (Madras: College Press, 1816). If Ellis' thoughts were published in 1816, then it must be Ellis, and not Hodgson, the first to propose Dravidian language family. http://9.1911encyclopedia.org/H/HO/HODGSON_BRIAN_HOUGHTON.htm Kind regards. Narayan Prasad - "Robert Zydenbos" <robert_zydenbos <INDOLOGY> Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:57 AM Re: The first to propose Dravidian Language family [ was: Re: [Y-Indology] Re: Book-Burning in India ] > Am Freitag, 30. Januar 2004 14:25 schrieb Narayan Prasad: > > > > (Ellis, btw, was the first to propose Dravidian language family). > > > > But Grierson recognizes Brian Hodgson as the first to propose > > Dravidian Language family [Ref 1, p.281]: > > > > --------QUOTE----- > > B.H.Hodgson ivana kAladavaregU dakSiNabhAratada bhASegaLu [...] > > We would have to find out when Hodgson proposed that. > > Zvelebil notes that Francis Whyte Ellis asserted a «"family of languages which > may be appropriately called the dialects of South India", and that it > included "the high and low Tamil; the Telugu, grammatical and vulgar; > Carn'at'aca or Cannad'i, ancient and modern; Malayalma or Malayalam", further > "the Tuluva", "Cod'ugu", and "the language of the mountaineers of Rajmahal". > Thus, Ellis enumerated seven DRavidian languages (Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, > Malayalam, Tulu, Kodagu and Malto) and recognized their genetic > relationship."» (K.V. Zvelebil, _Dravidian Linguistics. An Introduction_. > Pondicherry: Pondicherry Institute of Linguistics and Culture, 1990, p. > xviii.) Ellis wrote his thoughts in his introduction to A.D. Campbell's _A > Grammar of the Teloogoo Language Commonly Called the Gentoo_ (Madras: College > Press, 1816). > > -- > Prof. Dr. Robert J. Zydenbos > Department für Asienstudien - Indologie > Universität München > Deutschland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I believe I gave a copy of this volume to the BORI library. Please check with the librarian. Madhav Deshpande INDOLOGY, narayan prasad <prasad_cwprs> wrote: > Dear Dr Ganesan, > Thanks for your reply. > > > >There is lot of info about Ellis, Hodgson, Calwell in a paper > >by Thomas Trautmann in M. Deshpande & J. Bronkhorst, Aryan > >and Non-Aryan in India. In fact, it was Trautmann who told about > >Ellis to Ed Bryant. May be worth checking to see if it was > >Hodgson's idea. > > Could you give the details about this publication ? > > Kind regards. > Narayan Prasad > > naga_ganesan <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote: > INDOLOGY, "Narayan Prasad" > > wrote: > > >> (Ellis, btw, was the first to propose Dravidian language family). > > >But Grierson recognizes Brian Hodgson as the first to propose > >Dravidian Language family [Ref 1, p.281]: > > Dear Dr. Narayana Prasad, > > F. W. Ellis is usually recognized as the one who first proposed > the idea of Dravidian language family. For example. Bh. Krishnamurti, > The Dravidian languages, Cambridge univ. press, 2003. p. 16-17: > "As early as 1816, Francis Whyte Ellis, an English civil servant, > in his Dissertation on the Telugu language" [...]. His purpose was > to show that Tamil, Telugu and Kannada 'form a distinct family > of languages' with which 'the Sanscrit has, in later times, espcially, > intermixed, but with which it has no radical connection'. He presented > considerable illustrative material, mainly lexical and grammatical, > from Telugu, Kannada and Tamil in support of his hypothesis > (Krishnamurti 1969b: 311-312). Ellis recognized the Dravidian languages > as a family, thirty years after Sir William Jones had floated the > concept of the language family in his famous lecture to the Asiatic > Society of Bengal in Calcutta, on 2 February 1786." BhK's book - I > chapter is at: > http://assets.cambridge.org/0521771110/sample/0521771110W S.pdf > > Susan Okeksiw, "Francis Whyte Ellis: A Brief Review of his Work," > Adyar Library Bulletin 51 (1987: L. Rocher Festschrift vol.), pp. 267-75. > > There is lot of info about Ellis, Hodgson, Calwell in a paper > by Thomas Trautmann in M. Deshpande & J. Bronkhorst, Aryan and Non-Aryan > in India. In fact, it was Trautmann who told about Ellis to Ed Bryant. > May be worth checking to see if it was Hodgson's idea. > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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