Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 I see a current trend of comparing the Chinese approach to China Studies vs the Indian approach and hence this question. Was there any incident of a Government or state-sponsored or supported book-banning and burning activity in India comparable to those like the Qin Shi Huang Di orders (200 BC China) or the European traditions like the books of Arius and Nestorius etc. The only two instances of burning manuscripts that I have come across are the traditional accounts of Amara Simha and others who burn their manuscripts (of their own accord?)when they lost in debate. Another later-day instance is from the Nawab Of carnatic and the Saraswati Mahal. Are there any other oral or written accounts of happenings such as these? Thanks Vidya Jayaraman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Dear Dr. V V Raman and Vel Murugan, Ref. msgs # 3971 & 4017. <<<Dr. Raman: Unfortunately, it appears that there have been instances (in South India) of people (Jainas) being impaled for not re-converting to the Saiva or ViashNava fold.>>> I beg to differ. This topic has been dealt with in detail by several authorities starting from K A N Sastri to Sitaram Goel. Let me summarize the incident as narrated in Sekkizhar's magnum opus. As per this version, the Saivite saint Tirugnanasambandhar (TGS) debated 8,000 Jainas simultaneously. The Jainas had vowed that they would impale themselves should they lose the debate. Per Sekkizhar they did so. Now, if we are to get objective, it is impossible for anyone to debate and defeat 8,000 opponents at the same time. So, there is a definite element of exaggeration here. There is another important angle that actually disproves this claim. The Jainas have maintained institutions and detailed copper plate inscriptions in Tamilnadu, before and after the time of TGS. If 8,000 of their monks had been impaled, it would have been a very significant incident that would've merited a mention in their records. Let us not remember that even Pallava emperors like Mahendravarma were Jainas to begin with. So, obviously, this alleged incident in the Pandya court should've found a mention in the Pallava empire. We also have evidences from the Chola copper plate inscriptions that even till the 12th century AD, the Cholas continued to patronise Bauddha and Jaina traditions. So, given the enmity between the Pandyas and the Cholas, one should reasonably expect to see a mention of this persecution in the Chola kingdom too. Yet, the Jainas have been intriguingly silent about the alleged persecution. The only reasonable conclusion one can arrive at is that the persecution never occurred and it was no more than a display of exaggerated bravado. One may ask why such display in the first place. Ramanathan has dealt with this at length on his excellent analysis on Kalabhras, who were mostly Jainas and some Bauddhas that ruled Tamilnadu in the period that just preceded the era of TGS. There was a loss of patronage to arts, literature and Hinduism during their rule. Jaina religion was patronised. The Saivites must have felt marginalised during their era. We don't know if the Kalabhras ever persecuted the Saivites and there is no evidence for that. None of the early Saivite Nayanmars was from the Pandya kingdom (that was first ruled by Kalabhras and the early Pandyas after the Kalabhra fall were also Jainas). Karaikkal Ammaiyar, an early Saivite saint also was pained to go to Madurai that had no Saivites. So, it is reasonable to conclude that under the Kalabhras the Saivites were sidelined. Hence, the reconversion of the Pandya to Saivism must have been great success for the Saivas who had languished without state patronage for a while. It must have given rise to euphoria that led to this bravado. This certainly doesn't constitute historical evidence. Just as we discount puranic myths that defy logic, we must discount this myth also. <<<Vel Murugan: The deliberate destruction of ThEvAram right inside the precints of the famed NatarAja temple of Chidambaram, because of which about 80% of the songs composed by the famous Tamil Saiva Trinity (Appar, Sambandhra and Sundarar; nevermind, the last two themselves were anthaNars/brahmins) were lost forever.>>> This is factually incorrect and a blatant (if not intentional) distortion of truth. Before I comment on this and present evidences to the contrary, I would like to know the source of your version. <<<Vel Murugan: As attested by none other than the great man U.V.Saminatha Iyer himself, routine burning of Tamil manuscripts in temple yagnas was a common Vedic practice in the Tamil country.>>> It would be fair to quote U V Swaminatha Aiyar accurately. One shouldn't invoke his name and present their versions or quote him selectively. Can you please cite me which of UVS' writings you are quoting here? I will then present the correct version with references. <<<Vel Murugan: I recall reading about KuntalakEsi, another ancient Jaina literature, that mysteriously disappeared, never to be found again - again as attested by U.V.S himself.>>> Quite a few texts -- Sanskrit, Tamil, Prakrits -- have been lost due to many reasons. Islamic aggression, failure to copy them due to lack of patronage etc. The case you've mentioned is not one of burning texts. <<<Vel Murugan: One can only surmise how many more Tamil Jaina and Buddhist literature were submitted to Agni during the Bakthi era.>>> Any evidence please? <<<The destruction of the ancient Nalanda library.>>> This was committed by the Muslim invaders. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Dear Dr. V V Raman, I haven't earned my doctorate yet :-) Ref. msg # 4061. My intent was not to refute your statement. Apologies if I sounded that way. I have little doubt that your statement was motivated by genuine reasons and pathos that you've mentioned in your msg. I am also fully aware that you have insight into the facts. I was more concerned that the list members that are not well versed with Tamil literature or history may end up with a wrong perception. Dravidianists and other groups inimical to Hinduism and the brahmins have been quick to draw political mileage out of such narratives (that have little historical value). Hence my detailed response. It is very true that sections among the brahmins have been contemptuous towards other sections of the society. It is commendable that a brahmin as yourself are able to see this flip side. Subrahmanya Bharati displayed similar positive attitude and it is welcome. Yet, I must also point out the eminent poet Namakkal Kavijnar Ramalingam Pillai's polite censure [1] of Bharati on this count. He correctly pointed out that Bharati's selective criticism of the brahmins will ultimately be used by hate mongers for spreading hate. He was right. Other sections of the society, for example the dominant Vellala jati of Tamilnadu, has often been more casteist than the brahmins. Yet, barring exceptions like Ramalingam Pillai, very few insiders have displayed the kind of introspection we see in your post. As a result, a section of the society (brahmins in this case) gets blamed for all crimes -- imagined and real. Vel Murugan had grandly alleged that the brahmins burnt Tamil manuscripts in veda yajnas during the bhakti era. I am awaiting his evidences eagerly. If a text is lost over time, it has become fashionable among a few politically motivated to blame it on the brahmins. It will be admirable if people weaving such conspiracy stories care to read some critical texts, instead of drawing inspiration from the Dravidianist rumour mill. A good resource for Vel Murugan will be Zvelebil's account [2] on lost texts. He lists a number of Tamil texts that have been lost over the last 2,000 years or so. The list includes 44 texts on grammar, 30 texts on the akam genre, 8 on puram genre, 9 on kavya, 12 musical treatises, 23 drama texts and 56 assorted texts (a total of 182) and this list is not complete per Zvelebil. Ironically, the list incluldes translations of Ramayana, Mahabharata [3], Puranas, eulogies on rishis, adaptations of Sanskrit texts and bhakti treatises. Hardly a case of brahmin conspiracy to banish Tamil texts! In addition, one can easily list a number of commentaries on bhakti treatises that've been lost over the last 1,000 years. Unfortunately, many have been generating such careless and uninformed myths for decades. It will be sad if such myths are not countered with facts atleast occasionally. Hence my detailed response. It wasn't directed at you. I hope you understand. Btw, if someone is really looking for well documented instances of burning texts then he needs to look upto the Dravidianist regimes. C N Annadurai called for a campaign to burn Kamba Ramayanam in the assembly. Thousands of copies and commentaries were burnt by the DMK cadre. Annadurai was quite peeved at Kamban's (a non-brahmin poet) positive presentation of Manusmriti and was alarmed (precursors of the Taliban?) at the sensual depictions in the text. Apparently, Annadurai alternated between fear and fascination of sex, and this led him to turn his ire on a classic that was honest and sublime in its portrayal of sensuality. Not content with writing a crude pamphlet [4] denigrating Kambar's classic, he advocated burning the original itself. Interestingly, people tend to remember/assimilate facts shorter than they remember/assimilate myths. :-) Thanks. Footnotes: [1] Namakkal Kavijnar Ramalingam Pillai, Aryaravathu Dravidaravathu (What is this myth of Aryans Dravidians?), 1947 [2] Kamil V Zvelebil, Companion Studies to the History of Tamil Literature, 1989 [3] Atleast 3 of versions of Mahabharata [4] Kamba Rasam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 INDOLOGY, "V.V.Raman" <vvrsps@r...> wrote: > 2. I am also aware of arguments to the effect that there was no beef-eating in ancient India (as mentioned in the BA Upanishad, >nor any animal sacrifices (as mentioned in the Ramayana). > > A recent reference on old beef consumption in India: D. N. Jha, The myth of the Holy cow, Verso, 2002. The beef and other meats used vedic yajnas is refered in Tirukkural 328, "nan2Ru Akum Akkam peritu en2in2um cAn2ROrkkuk kon2rU Akum Akkam kaTai". Even though people say that one can gain wealth and welfare with animal sacrifices in yajnams, great men scorn such odious gains. See ParimElazakar commentary, "tEvar poruTTu vELvikkaN kon2Raal in2pam mikum, celvam peritAm ..." Ie., if killing in vedic sacrifices for the sake of Devas will increase wealth, happiness". Tiruvalluvar is considered a Jaina by Tamil scholars like Mayilai Ciini VEGkaTacaami, A. Chakravarti Nayinaar, I. Mahadevan, S. Vaiyapuri, K. Zvelebil ... Regards, N. Ganesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Dear N. Ganesan, Ref. msg # 4077. <<<Tiruvalluvar is considered a Jaina by Tamil scholars like Mayilai Ciini VEGkaTacaami, A. Chakravarti Nayinaar, I. Mahadevan, S. Vaiyapuri, K. Zvelebil ...>>> Earlier, I corrected you on this in Agathiyar. Perhaps, it is time to repeat :-) That Tiruvaluvar was a Jaina, is at best a proposition, not a fact. Many scholars have presented more convincing arguments that he should only have been a Hindu saint. S Vaiyapuri Pillai presented both sides of the argument. It is unfair to quote him selectively -- especially, when I've earlier informed you of Pillai's other set of arguments, reproduced below: Source: Vaiyapuri Pillai's Araicchit Tokuti - part 7, pp. 65 - 68. Here is a paraphrase & translation of what Pillai has said: "There are many couplets of the Kural that are either translations or adaptations of Manusmriti, such as: - Kural 57 and Manusmriti IX:12 - Kural 41 and Manusmriti III:78. This verse of smriti, Pillai points out, has been reiterated by Tiruvalluvar more than once. - Kural 396 and Manusmriti II:218 " Of course, there are many more arguments from Vaiyapuri Pillai that also state that Tirukkural is inspired by or is a translation of the Hindu dharmashastras. Anyway, if you're just going to invoke Pillai's name as if it is a pramana and then claim that Tiruvalluvar was a Jaina, then here are the words of the same man that Tirukkural is Manusmriti inspired. Do you think a Jaina monk will translate Manusmriti? Will a Jaina monk measure a king's efficay by his ability to protect the vedic chanting of the brahmins, as Tiruvalluvar has done? What is essential is to list an author's arguments and evaluate them critically. We should remember Tiruvalluvar's word that mere authority isn't everything, and the truth alone is worth pursuing. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 but where's specific mention of beef here? > The beef and other meats used vedic yajnas > is refered in Tirukkural 328, > "nan2Ru Akum Akkam peritu en2in2um cAn2ROrkkuk > kon2rU Akum Akkam kaTai". > > Even though people say that one can gain wealth > and welfare with animal sacrifices in yajnams, > great men scorn such odious gains. See ParimElazakar > commentary, "tEvar poruTTu vELvikkaN kon2Raal in2pam mikum, > celvam peritAm ..." Ie., if killing in vedic sacrifices > for the sake of Devas will increase wealth, happiness". > > Tiruvalluvar is considered a Jaina by Tamil scholars > like Mayilai Ciini VEGkaTacaami, A. Chakravarti Nayinaar, > I. Mahadevan, S. Vaiyapuri, K. Zvelebil ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 >Tiruvalluvar is considered a Jaina by Tamil scholars like Mayilai > Ciini VEGkaTacaami, A. Chakravarti Nayinaar, I. Mahadevan, S. > Vaiyapuri, K. Zvelebil, ... S. Vaiyapuri Pillai was of the opinion that Valluvar was following Jainism. I've given references earlier, http://www.services.cnrs.fr/wws/arc/ctamil/2002-04/msg00068.html S. Vaiyapri Pillai, tamizc cuTar maNikaL, 1959, p. 62 [TiruvaLLuvar] " ivaruTaiya matam in2n2atu en2pataip paRRip palarum palavitamAn2a karuttai veLiyiTTirukkiRArkaL. cilar caiva camayattin2ar en2kin2Ran2ar. cilar vaiSNava camayattin2ar en2kin2ran2ar. oruvar vEta vazakkOTu paTTa koLkaiyin2ar en2Ru kURukiRAr. cilar camayaGkaLaik kaTanta nilaimaiyil uLLavar en2Ru kURukiRArkaL. An2Al, kaTavuL vAzttilE varukin2Ra 'malarmicai Ekin2An2' mutaliya teyvap peyarkaLai nOkkum pOtu, vaLLuvaraic cain2a matattaic cArntavar en2Ru colvatutAn2 poruttamaakum." Sri. Pillai claims that even though Valluvar was claimed by Saivaites, Vaishnavaites, Vedic religionists, it will be more fitting to take Valluvar as a Jain. I. Mahadevan also takes Valluvar as Jain. Iravatham has published papers both in tamil and english about beautiful gold coins issued by F. W. Ellis, East India company from Madras in the first quarter of the 19th century. (Ellis, btw, was the first to propose Dravidian language family).He gives reasons why this is not Vishnu as guessed by a person from Indian museum, Calcutta. It will be good to read Iravatham's papers on the Valluvar coin. "A unique gold coin with Tiruvalluvar's portrait / Iravatham Mahadevan." Studies in South Indian Coins, Volume V, (ed.)A.V. Narasimha Murthy. 1995 N. Ganesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Dear Nanda Chandran, There is *no* mention of beef anywhere in that couplet. Apparently, N Ganesan is chasing beef and Jainism all over Tirukkural like a deer chases the chimera :-) Tiruvalluvar makes no direct mention of yajnas in that couplet. That inference, though reasonably, has been made by the commentators. All the 3 traditional commentators -- Parimelazhagar, Parithiyar and Kalingar -- say that the benefit that ensues killing a life is not befitting the renunciate, though they point out that grahasthas are advised that sacrificing to the devas in the yajnas ensures their well-being. Only one of the traditional commentators -- Mankkudavar -- says that even sacrificing a life in yajna is to be avoided. Thanks. INDOLOGY, "vpcnk" <vpcnk@H...> wrote: > but where's specific mention of beef here? > > > The beef and other meats used vedic yajnas > > is refered in Tirukkural 328, > > "nan2Ru Akum Akkam peritu en2in2um cAn2ROrkkuk > > kon2rU Akum Akkam kaTai". > > > > Even though people say that one can gain wealth > > and welfare with animal sacrifices in yajnams, > > great men scorn such odious gains. See ParimElazakar > > commentary, "tEvar poruTTu vELvikkaN kon2Raal in2pam mikum, > > celvam peritAm ..." Ie., if killing in vedic sacrifices > > for the sake of Devas will increase wealth, happiness". > > > > Tiruvalluvar is considered a Jaina by Tamil scholars > > like Mayilai Ciini VEGkaTacaami, A. Chakravarti Nayinaar, > > I. Mahadevan, S. Vaiyapuri, K. Zvelebil ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 INDOLOGY, "vpcnk" <vpcnk@H...> wrote: > but where's specific mention of beef here? You left out the reference given for beef consumption of vedics. Read prof. D. N. Jha's book, the holy cow. Yajnavalkya's weakness for tender and fatty beef has been mentioned in it. Tamils with advice from Jaina monks went for avoidance of meat consumption. VeLLakAl P. Subramania Mudaliyar is a renowned Tamil scholar. (For instance, He and U.V. Saminathaiyar are the only two who have written that they have seen the now lost kAyva, vaLaiyApati, in palm leaves.) Dr. V. P. S. Mudaliar's almost a century-old analysis about the food hierarchy among Tamil castes, and why meat sacrifice in vedic yajnams went away: http://listserv.liv.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9703&L=indology&P=R423 N. Ganesan, PhD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 In any case, condemnation/rejection of Yajnas is not a Jain monopoly. The Samkhyas also had the same attitude. Vishal INDOLOGY, "Kalavai Venkat" <history_judge> wrote: > Tiruvalluvar makes no direct mention of yajnas in that couplet. That > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I have seen a detailed discussion on this on a Tamil list (Agathiyar?) and there too someone pointed out that the depiction of Thiruvalluvar as a Jain on a British coin is hardly proof that he was a Jain! It is not even necessary that the sage has to be EITHER a Hindu OR a Jain when there is no clearcut distinction between Hindus and Jains in large parts of India even today. Vishal INDOLOGY, "naga_ganesan" <naga_ganesan@h...> wrote: >> I. Mahadevan also takes Valluvar as Jain. > Iravatham has published papers both in tamil and english > about beautiful gold coins issued by F. W. Ellis, > East India company from Madras in the first quarter of the 19th > century. (Ellis, btw, was the first to propose Dravidian language > family).He gives reasons why this is not Vishnu as guessed by a > person from Indian museum, Calcutta. It will be good > to read Iravatham's papers on the Valluvar coin. > "A unique gold coin with Tiruvalluvar's portrait / Iravatham > Mahadevan." Studies in South Indian Coins, Volume V, (ed.)A.V. > Narasimha Murthy. 1995 > > N. Ganesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Dear vishal, Ref. msg # 4108. <<<In any case, condemnation/rejection of Yajnas is not a Jain monopoly. The Samkhyas also had the same attitude.>>> Correct. Also, Tiruvalluvar doesn't oppose veda or veda yajna anywhere. While expounding the greatness of a certain virtue, he often emphasises on its relative greatness vis-a-vis everything else. For example, in Kural 297, he says: "Should one always speak the truth Where is the need to practise any other virtue?" It will be ridiculous if one were to take this verse out of context and declare that Tiruvalluvar rejected all virtues other than speaking the truth :-) In Kural 55, he says, "Gods she worships not, but raises from her bed worshipping her husband Should she say, "Rain!", so it shall." Will it not be ridiculous if one (mis)interprets this verse and infers that Tiruvalluvar proscribed the worship of Gods for women? If any, Tiruvalluvar considered the chanting of veda and performance of yajna the most essential service to the society. Consider the following: "The cows shall cease to yield milk, the brahmins shall forget their 6 fold duties, Should the king fail to rule justly." -- Kural 560 "To the perpetuity of the vedas of the brahmins It is the sceptre of the king that serves as the cause." -- Kural 543 So, it is natural for Tiruvalluvar to say that ahimsa is even more preferable to veda yajna, when he discusses the merit of ahimsa. Since he glorifies veda yajna elsewhere, one can be certain that he is not discounting the veda. One must be careful and not interpret a verse selectively. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 INDOLOGY, "Vidya Jayaraman" <vidyajayaram> wrote: > The only two instances of burning manuscripts that I > have come across are the traditional accounts of Amara > Simha and others who burn their manuscripts (of their > own accord?)when they lost in debate. > Another later-day instance is from the Nawab Of carnatic >and the Saraswati Mahal. > > Are there any other oral or written accounts of happenings > such as these? Vel Murugan mentioned some instances of burning books in sacrificial yagnams (message no. 4017). Tamil has lost many Jain and Buddhist literature due to throwing those books into either fire in yagnams, or into river waters (Usually, on the 18th of 'aaTi" month when river Kaveri used to run full). Many instances when cart loads of manuscripts taken and destroyed from zamin mansions do exist in Tamil publications. A motivation to destroy tamil works mainly came from Saivaites. To get rid of religious works of non-orthodox nature. Jain and bauddha works barely have survived. We know only names of texts, but books have been lost, perhaps for ever. Ci. Vai. TaamOtarampiLLai writes in the preface to his 1887 ed. of Kalittokai: "Only what has escaped fire and water and religious taboo remains." Reading Devaneya PavaNar's KuRaL commentary, he says that what saved it from destruction was the commentary by ParimElazakar with its pro-Hindu stance. Pari. simply glosses over the Jaina meanings. "tEcikar tried to establish a kind of censorship, and an Index librorum prohibitorum maintaining that a pious Saivaite must not read Jaina, Buddhist, or even VaiSNava books: he pointed out as forbidden texts CintAmaNi, CilappatikAram, MaNimEkalai, CaGkappATTu (ie., the classical bardic poetry) etc. and wrote that those who read books like pattuppaaTTu, eTTuttokai, patiNen2kIzkkaNakku, irAman2katai etc., and study a grammar like "that scrap of Nannuul" should regard their time as wasted." (p. 23, Zvelebil, Tamil Literature, EJBrill, 1975). >From the same book, p. 16 "Apart from purely natural causes of damage (climate, dust, insects etc.,) and inexpert storage and handling of manuscripts, the main man-imposed reasons for the damage are religious-ideological hatred, political motives, and human folly. It is a fact that militant Hinduism was very hostile to Jaina and Budhist literature, and this enmity may have been responsible for the disappearance of such Buddhist works as KuNTalakEci, VimpicArakatai etc., and Jaina works lika VaLaiyApati, Jaina Ramayana, etc. The disturbed political situation in South India in the later middle ages and the destructive actions of Muslim conquerors are notorious. Undoubtedly, libraries and manuscripts perished during those sad times. As for human folly, M. C. VeGkaTacAmi quotes two instances: the custom of immersing palm-leaf books in the sea and rivers during the Sarasvati Puja; and an account according to which the authorities of the Maturai temple set fire to manuscript-books of the library of Ativirarama Pandya." UVS, editor of sangam texts, mentions about a sad incident of burning Tamil manuscripts in temple homams. UVS says that suggested old custom was to copy the books onto new palmleaves, and then put the old copies to flames. Sadly, more often, the manuscripts were consigned to flames without copying at all. "But probably the best way to describe the treatment of ancient tamil palmleaf texts is to let speak the greatest Tamil scholar of modern time, Dr. U. V. S Ayyar, who gives in his Autobiography {...} 'Were there no other manuscripts?" "It was all mixed up together." I was getting angry at his delaying tactics. "Come along then!Where do you want to go? They deliberated and discussed what to do with all that rubbish. Finally they did according to what is prescribed in the Agamas." I did not understand. I asked with trepidation: "what did they do?It is said that old scripts must not be let just lying around. And that the proper way to dispose of them is to dip them in ghee and make a homa-offering to the Fire-god. That's exactly what has been done here." "Ha!!" I let out a scream, forgetting myself. He then began to give a detailed description. "a big square pit was dug, fire was kindlled, those old scripts were dipped in ghee, and then committed to flames as offering." Is that what the Agamas prescribe? I thought, terribly angry: if a 'sacred text' really prescribes such a thing, then it should be the first to go into the fire as offering." (p.44-5, Zvelebil, Companion studies to the history of Tamil literature, 1992). p. 46 "Charles E. Grover wrote in 1871: "It is almost impossible now to obtain a printed copy of any early Tamil book that has not been systematically corrupted and mutilated, to meet the views of those whose livelyhood depends on the rejection by the public of Dravidian literature and its acceptance by the Puranic legends ... Indigenous poetry fell into undeserved contempt or, where that was not possible, was edited so unscrupulously that the original was hidden under a load of corruption ... The brahmans corrupted what they could not destroy. " [Etc.,]. Zvelebil writes "Even tho' Gover obviously exaggerates the negative role played by later medieval Hindu and especially Brahmanic interference, there must have been a lot of truth in what he says since we have several independent witnesses for it." There are parallel cases in the Deccan viirasaivism. Velcheru Narayanrao (Warriors of 'Siva, Princeton university press) has a long essay about the antiorthodox nature of BasavapuraaNamu, and subsequent editions. It was on the verge of being lost, thanks to C. P. Brown and forward looking Andhra scholars it was saved from extinction, V.Narayana Rao writes. Regards, N. Ganesan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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