Devadatta || Probabilistic/statistical analysis of historical evidence

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Stephen

 

Thanks. It will be great if you could find the website.

 

Incidentally thanks for pointing to the article on Devadatta. I was

able to get it.

 

I came across an interesting article on Devadatta at a Buddhist

website from a Buddhist perspective:

 

IndiaArchaeologyDevadatta.pdf

 

People may find it interesting.

 

Yashwant

 

INDOLOGY, "Narayan Prasad"

<prasad_cwprs> wrote:

> > Yashwant Malaiya wrote:

> > > Surprizingly when Fa Hien was in India in 5th cent CE, there

was

>

> "Stephen Hodge" <s.hodge@p...> wrote :

>

> >

> > As an aside, pls note that Fa-xian (or Fa-hsien) is the correct

> >orthography for the Chinese pilgrim's name -- what you have

> >given is based on an old defunct French romanization system.

> >Similarly, for the later great Chinese pilgrim, Xuan-zang is

> >preferable to Yuan-chwang and all the other peculiar

> > romanizations one often sees in works published in India.

> >

>

> As per the Romanization system adopted by the Chinese, the

correct

> orthography for the pilgrims mentioned above are as follows:

>

> (1) Fa Xian

> (2) Yuan Chuang

>

> The part "Hsien" in "Fa-Hsien" is not used by the Chinese.

Similarly

> "Xuan" does not find place in the Table of the Romanization system

used by

> the Chinese. The "u" in "Yuan" is pronounced like u_umlaut of

German, or

> like the "u" of French. The "Ch" of "Chuang" is not pronounced

like "ch" as

> in "chair" in English, but something like the second varNa of the

ca-varga

> in the devanAgarii.

>

> Regards.

>

> Narayan Prasad

>

> -

> "Stephen Hodge" <s.hodge@p...>

> <INDOLOGY>

> Thursday, February 06, 2003 7:52 AM

> Re: [Y-Indology] Devadatta & Prior Buddhas

>

>

> > Yashwant Malaiya wrote:

> >

> > > What happend to Devadatta and his followers?

> > There is a detailed article studying Devadatta -- Max Deeg "The

Sangha of

> > Devadatta: Fiction and History of a Heresy in the Buddhist

Tradition"

> > (Journal of the International College of Buddhist Studies / Vol

II March

> > 1999 / pp183-218)

> >

> > > Surprizingly when Fa Hien was in India in 5th cent CE, there

was

> > > still a group of monks who were followers of Devadatta, and not

> > > Siddhartha!

> >

> > In general, most scholars are dubious about this -- there may

have been

> > monks who thought they were followers of Devadatta but this does

not mean

> > that there was an unbroken linage going back to him.

> > As an aside, pls note that Fa-xian (or Fa-hsien) is the correct

> orthography

> > for the Chinese pilgrim's name -- what you have given is based

on an old

> > defunct French romanization system. Similarly, for the later

great

> Chinese

> > pilgrim, Xuan-zang is preferable to Yuan-chwang and all the

other peculiar

> > romanizations one often sees in works published in India.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Stephen Hodge

>

>

>

>

>

>

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