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IndianCivilization, "Ravi Chaudhary"

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> Historians have long linked the jats with the Guti of Sumeria.

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Historians have long linked the Jats with the Guti of Sumeria.

Here is an article, a talk given by Professor Izady at Harvard in

1993.

 

One obvious error which has crept into all history books is that of

the " MEDES". These are actually phonetically known as Mands, not

Medes. They are the Mand Jats, and they established the Manda

Empire.

 

Later some historians made a phonological mistake., and used the

trem Mede. The term – `unbending as the Meds' – the law of the Medes,

the firmness of the Medes , were sayings that crept into classical

literature and History.

 

These Medes / Mands were found also in the Sind/ Indus Valley, and

are attested by the early records of that era- See for example Elliot

and Dowson- History of Indian as told by its Historians' where the

term is used interchangeably.

 

Of interest- the powerful Jat Clan Gotra " BALIYAN' is found in

Kurdistan among the Kurds. This Gotra is traced to the Bals of

Vallbhipur./ Ballaphipur in Gujarat ( 4/th 5th century AD)

Readers will also recognize other Jat Gotras in the article: Mann,

Bain, Subar,.

 

 

See also messages # 4 - Baliyan Clan, and # 24- Somnath Inscription

JatHistory/

 

For the full Article see

 

JatHistory

 

File : Jats,Guti, Sumeria

 

 

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Some excerpts:

 

 

""For a long time the states founded by the Hurrians remained small,

until around 2500 BC when larger political-military entities evolved

out of the older, Hurrian city-states. Six polities are of special

note: Urartu, Mushq/Mushku, Urkish, Subar/Saubar, Baini, Guti/Qutil

and Manna. The kingdom of Mushku is now believed to have brought

about the final downfall of the Hittites in Anatolia. Their name

survives in the city of Mush/Mus in north-central Kurdistan of

Turkey. The Subaru who operated from the areas north of modern Arbil

in central Kurdistan have left their name in the populous and

historic Kurdish tribal confederacy of Zubari, who still inhabit the

areas north of Arbil.

 

 

The Guti/Qutils of central and southern Kurdistan, after gradually

unifying the smaller mountain principalities, became strong enough in

2250 BC to actually annex Sumeria and the rest of lowland

Mesopotamia. A Guti/Qutil dynasty ruled Sumeria for 130 years until

2120

 

 

.." Nearly three-quarters of Kurdish clan names and roughly half of

topographical and urban names are also of Hurrian origin, e.g., the

names of the clans of Bukhti, Tirikan, Bazayni, Bakran, Mand; rivers

Murad, Balik and Khabur, lake Van; the towns of Mardin, Ziwiya and

Dinawar. Mythological and religious symbols present in the art of the

later Hurrian dynasties, such as the Mannaeans and Kassites of

eastern Kurdistan, and the Lullus of the southeast, present in part

what can still be observed in the Kurdish ancient religion of

Yazdanism, better-known today by its various denominations as

Alevism, Yezidism, and Yarisanism (Ahl-i Haqq)."

"peoples. Sumerians, for example, called everybody in the Kurdish

mountains as "Subaru," while the Akkadians, Assyrians and Babylonians

used the term "Guti/Qutil."

 

 

 

"" ranking warrior groups were Aryans, while the bulk of the people

were still Hurrian in all manners. The Mittani aristocratic house

almost certainly was from the immigrant Sindis, who survive today in

the populous Kurdish clan of Sindi—again—in the same area where the

Mittani kingdom once existed. These ancient Sindi seem to have been

an Indic, and not Iranic group of people, and in fact a branch of the

better known Sindis of India-Pakistan, that has imparted its name to

the River Indus and in fact, India itself. (footnote 8) While the

bulk of the Sindis moved on to India, some wondered into Kurdistan to

give rise to the Mittani royal house and the modern Sindi Kurds.

Others, still, remained in Europe, and are recorded in the 1st

century AD inhabiting the Taiman Peninsula on the Sea of Azov between

Russia and Ukraine.

 

 

Expectedly, the Mittani pantheon includes names like Indra, Varuna,

Suriya and Nasatya is typically Indic. The Mittanis could have

introduced during this early period some of the Indic/Vedic tradition

that appears to be manifest in the Kurdish religion of Yazdanism. ""

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Ravi