Manvantara cycles and the history of the earth

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Dear KM,

Good work.

Dont buy Milankovitch Theory, which is a vague theory. Many

Scientists, whom I had chat with, dont to this in terms of

exactitude. These theories, came outta Western notion, such as linear

time et al to explain ice ages. Earth Orbital precession is discussed

at length in hindu shaastra-s. Besides this, manavatara-s cycle is

connected to astronomy. Cyclical time = EXPonetial time gives clue to

this. Thus, PRIMITIVE simulaton/modelling fails, because of sunken

POLY p-randomness.

 

Rgds,

VR

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Earth was described as one of the fourteen lokas in the ancient

texts. At the end of each manvantara, global deluge occurs on Swar-

loka as well along with the Earth.

 

>From these descriptions, it appears that Swar-loka is a planetary

object revolving around another star. The planet needs to have oceans

and continents on its surface as on the Earth for the global deluge

to occur. Supercontinent cycle is also essential in causing the

global deluge.

 

At least 50 or more planetary systems were observed so far. No

instrument observed the existence of the planets; faint changes in

the brightness of the star were interpreted as the planetary objects.

There is a long way to go to check the existence of plate tectonics

and the life on these planets.

 

Another interesting thing is that the Lanka was described as being on

the equator in those ancient texts. In fact the island was on equator

8 to 10 Million years ago. Continents move all around the surface and

India along with the Sri lanka crossed the equator on thier journey

from Africa to the present positon. Does the ancient texts really

talking about the ancient geography? To interpre the ancient texts,

present geography is invalid.

 

Regards

Karunakar

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INDOLOGY, "m1k2r3" <m1k2r3> wrote:

> Earth was described as one of the fourteen lokas in the ancient

> texts. At the end of each manvantara, global deluge occurs on Swar-

> loka as well along with the Earth.

 

You can notice drastic changes in successive brahma ahOrAtri-s(Kalpa

day/night cycles--sankalpa cycle)-- A quick scientific look into

kalpa-s give answer to this. Now scientists are trying to construct a

proof for glaciars et al. Thus they ended up with various kinds of

cycles such as 21-23K years, 41Kyears, 100K, 400K years, ... All of

these were based on sediments, rock layers, celestial cycles, oxygen

isotopes, modelling/simulation, harmonics/time series approximations

et al.

 

 

Your URL also saying that there was no life before human-s. It is

false. This is due to either mis-commentaries/translatoins.

 

In the sanDhyA of his ahOrAtri, aaditya mandala's brahma (does his

sanDhyAvandana) and creates mind (MS 1-74), i.e., creates new

species. In the "morning" sanDhyA he creates - evolution then

proceeds in the 14 manvantara-s; in the "evening" sanDhyA he

dissolves - reverse process goes on in the next 14 manvantara-s (from

14th to 13th and so on to the first Svayambhuva). In the next

sankalpa, there may be some other dominant species. About one brahma

varSa ago was the heyday of dinosaurs - the dominant species then.

In another finite brahma varSa-s, the aaditya mandala wil die

- Sun will become cold and dark, while another aaditya mandala with a

brahma will appear somewhere else. Such notions are consistent with

modern cosmology....

 

> At least 50 or more planetary systems were observed so far. No

 

Ref:sahasraadhityaH--"sahasra" of shruti also means numerous or

countless (but finite - 'ananta' is never used in this connection in

shruti). We know our galaxy alone has 200-400 billion stars,

so 'countless' aaditya mandala-s make sense. Dont mix up with

Cantor's "transfinite".

 

> from Africa to the present positon. Does the ancient texts really

> talking about the ancient geography? To interpre the ancient texts,

> present geography is invalid.

 

You can see cosmic evolution in the scriptures(mind that puraana-s

are kinda exaaggerated + suger coatings meant for masses), if u wear

scientific hat.

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INDOLOGY, "venkateshwara_reddy" <avenkat@m...> wrote:

 

.....

 

> In the sanDhyA of his ahOrAtri, aaditya mandala's brahma (does his

> sanDhyAvandana) and creates mind (MS 1-74), i.e., creates new

> species. In the "morning" sanDhyA he creates - evolution then

> proceeds in the 14 manvantara-s; in the "evening" sanDhyA he

> dissolves - reverse process goes on in the next 14 manvantara-s

(from

> 14th to 13th and so on to the first Svayambhuva). In the next

> sankalpa, there may be some other dominant species. About one

brahma

> varSa ago was the heyday of dinosaurs - the dominant species then.

> In another finite brahma varSa-s, the aaditya mandala wil die

> - Sun will become cold and dark, while another aaditya mandala with

a

> brahma will appear somewhere else. Such notions are consistent with

> modern cosmology....

>

 

Day/night cycle of brahma is like birth and death of a star and the

planets around it. Life exists within the 14 manvantaras and perishes

at the end of the 14th manvantara. Nothing on the planets continues

from one kalpa to the next kalpa, because the planets themselves

dissolve into the exploding star. The period from the explosion of

the star to the birth of another star is the night of the brahma.

This period also equals to 14 manvantaras. There wouldn't be any Manu

or global deluge in this period. It is completely chaos.

 

Dinosaurs not only lived in the present kalpa, but also part of the

present manvantara.

 

Regards

 

Karunakar

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Bigbang singularity is just an opinion, like our fellow Indologists

opine tons of junk.

 

How do we understand the meaning of these cycles, manvantara-s and

kalpa-s and chaturyuga-s. Could you define them with proper shaastra

reference and the logic behind them.

 

Any idea must fit in the framework of logic: pratyakSa, anumAna,

aitihya(upama), and Shruti.

 

pratyakSa - is there such a natural (not man-made) cycle?

anumAna - can it be deduced from some other natural event?

aitihya (upama)- did it happen many times before?

Shruti - is there a revealed samhita mantra to back it

up?

 

We can further this discussion "onlyif" we understand the logic

behind these cycles. Otherwise, it is like mere puraanic story, meant

for unscientific masses.

 

 

 

 

> Day/night cycle of brahma is like birth and death of a star and the

> planets around it. Life exists within the 14 manvantaras and

perishes

> at the end of the 14th manvantara. Nothing on the planets continues

> from one kalpa to the next kalpa, because the planets themselves

> dissolve into the exploding star. The period from the explosion of

> the star to the birth of another star is the night of the brahma.

> This period also equals to 14 manvantaras. There wouldn't be any

Manu

> or global deluge in this period. It is completely chaos.

>

> Dinosaurs not only lived in the present kalpa, but also part of the

> present manvantara.

>

> Regards

>

> Karunakar

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INDOLOGY, "venkateshwara_reddy" <avenkat@m...> wrote:

> Bigbang singularity is just an opinion, like our fellow Indologists

> opine tons of junk.

>

 

Dear VR,

 

I don't believe in the BigBang theory either. Birth and death of a

star is not related to the birth of the universe.

 

Every star shines for some time and then explodes. Explosion of the

star also destroyes the planets around it. Every material object in

the solar system would disintegrate into the basic elements. After

some time, these elements join together and forms as another solar

system. I compare this life and death cycle of the star to the kalpa

as described in the ancient texts.

 

Plate tectonics initiates if suitable environments available on any

of the planets. Plate tectonics always associates with the

Supercontinent cycle. I compare this cycle to the Manvantara cycle.

 

Chatur Yuga Cyle: I don't know any relevance of this cycle to the

Earth history. I think you know better than me about these cycles.

 

Regards

karunakar

 

 

 

 

> How do we understand the meaning of these cycles, manvantara-s and

> kalpa-s and chaturyuga-s. Could you define them with proper

shaastra

> reference and the logic behind them.

>

> Any idea must fit in the framework of logic: pratyakSa, anumAna,

> aitihya(upama), and Shruti.

>

> pratyakSa - is there such a natural (not man-made) cycle?

> anumAna - can it be deduced from some other natural event?

> aitihya (upama)- did it happen many times before?

> Shruti - is there a revealed samhita mantra to back it

> up?

>

> We can further this discussion "onlyif" we understand the logic

> behind these cycles. Otherwise, it is like mere puraanic story,

meant

> for unscientific masses.