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Namaskaram

 

I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

 

Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

but none of them have replied.

 

Pl guide me.

 

jai ram,

 

nagaraj

 

 

 

 

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Jai Srimannarayana!!

Though the question is a old and frequently asked question, it is similar

to asking a married woman why she should not go/pray/worship/love any

other man other than her husband.

Iyyengars/Srivaishnavites are wedded to Lord Vishnu the only One who is

called 'The Purushottaman' and thus not necessary to worship any other

God/demigod.

Jai Srimannarayana

 

Dr.Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan

 

nagaraj wrote:

 

> Namaskaram

>

> I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

> Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

>

> Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

> but none of them have replied.

>

> Pl guide me.

>

> jai ram,

>

> nagaraj

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

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SrI:

 

The answer to your question is esoteric and can be got

only after undergoing kalakshepam of Srimad Rahasya

traya saram under a sadacharya. It is more of

philosophy than mere fanatism. Without kalakshepam if

you try to get the answer for these questions you will

surely misconclude that it is Iyengar- fanatism that

makes them not to worship. On the contrary there are

genuine philosophical reasons for an Iyengars

restraint. It is beyond fanatism! Since it is esoteric

the scholars of this forum mostly would be reluctant

to reply to this question ( also since it is against

Desikan's thiruvullam to spread rahasya aarthams in a

non-sampradayic way). Instead of dealing with such

subtle philosphical issues we usually concentrate on

Bhagavad Guna anubhavams.

 

 

Aravind G.

 

 

 

 

Namaskaram

 

I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

 

Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3

time

but none of them have replied.

 

Pl guide me.

 

jai ram,

 

nagaraj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hari OM!

 

Dear all,

 

There is not only one GOD there is ONLY GOD, If Vaishnava is not worshipping any

other demi God's or GOD's there is no problem, they are worshipping GOD in the

form of Maha Vishnu, I see Maha Vishnu in Lord Ganesa also, there is nothing

wrong in it.

 

But no body's belief should be condemned, Ganesha is of course Narayana in

another form.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

"With regards from Dr. Kilambi Ramakrishna" <kramakrishna wrote:

Jai Srimannarayana!!

Though the question is a old and frequently asked question, it is similar

to asking a married woman why she should not go/pray/worship/love any

other man other than her husband.

Iyyengars/Srivaishnavites are wedded to Lord Vishnu the only One who is

called 'The Purushottaman' and thus not necessary to worship any other

God/demigod.

Jai Srimannarayana

 

Dr.Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan

 

nagaraj wrote:

 

> Namaskaram

>

> I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

> Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

>

> Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

> but none of them have replied.

>

> Pl guide me.

>

> jai ram,

>

> nagaraj

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishna Prasad

 

"Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the eternal

Now is to know the Truth"

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Devotees and friends,

 

I do not consider myself competant

to answer sri nagarajs query. However from what i have learnt from our

reverened acharyas is that in our sri vaishnava philosophy Lord

srimannarayana is the supreme deity to whom we surrender.The great epic

srimad bhagvadgita also propounds the same.

After a person goes through

samasrayanam and sharanagati through the blessings of an acharya ,it is

acomplete surrender to Sriman narayana and worship of anya devathas is

prohibited. Pl. bear with me for this indulgence.

thank u all.

c.k.srinivasan.

 

 

>"With regards from Dr. Kilambi Ramakrishna"

<kramakrishna>

>nagaraj <g_nagraj>

>CC: 'Suchitra Srinivasan' <suchisrini>,

, Jayaraman <jayaraman.v>,

nagraj <nagraj>

>Re: Lord Ganesha

>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:41:23 +0530

>

>Jai Srimannarayana!!

>Though the question is a old and frequently asked question, it is

similar

>to asking a married woman why she should not go/pray/worship/love any

>other man other than her husband.

>Iyyengars/Srivaishnavites are wedded to Lord Vishnu the only One who is

>called 'The Purushottaman' and thus not necessary to worship any other

>God/demigod.

>Jai Srimannarayana

>

>Dr.Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan

>

>nagaraj wrote:

>

> > Namaskaram

> >

> > I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

> > Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

> >

> > Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

> > but none of them have replied.

> >

> > Pl guide me.

> >

> > jai ram,

> >

> > nagaraj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

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Dear Bhagavatas:

As explained in the Chapter "Oh! MY God' in my book

"Hinduism Rediscovered" while Srivaishnavas are NOT required

to worship anyadevatas, they should not be disrespected.

There should be neither 'Vandanam" nor "Nindanam" of the

anyadevatas because they are also creations of Bhagavaan

who ensouls them as much as us, they are also his Sareera

as much as we ourselves are and some of them may actually

be His Bhaktas (more than us). It is unvaishnavite for a

Srivaishnava to denigrate other deities. Hope this clarifies.

 

If you want to read more and need the book, please contact me.

Dasoham

Anbil Ramaswamy

=====================================================

 

 

Dear All,

I am not a vaishnava and my view point is this.

 

1. Those who worship Vishnu are Vaishnavas

2. Thus Vaishnavas are venerable of all those in mankind, simply because no

one among His creation(incl. gods) can equal Vishnu.

3. Thus we can classify this mankind with those who pray others and those

who pray Vishnu

4. The final destiny is Vishnu for jeevas. Thus after many births, with His

krupa, we become Krishnabhakthas.

5. Vishnu is antharyami of all - starting from Brahma to insects. Thus when

we pray various gods for various occasions, we have to keep this mind and do

pooja. Here bhava scores than deed. When saying Vishnu being Antharyami, we

shd not, for a moment, critisize, His creation. This holds good for all the

other gods who serve Him in various capacities. They are all uttahama

jeevas in the court of Vishnu and we should pay respects to them, simply

because, they are all in that position having Vishnu as antharyami and they

serve him much better than us. For example, When Sage Agasthya preaches

Aditya Hrudayam to Lord Rama, he is just preaching Him on Lord Vishnu who is

the indweller(Aditya Hrudaya) of crores of Adityas in this galaxies. We

need to understand everything in this way, which is vedic.

6. As they say, sarva deva namaskaraha kesavam prathigacchhati, everything

goes finally to Him, all we need to do is to know the truth, which Veda

brings for us and have that bhava when we pray.

 

Sukumar

 

 

Krishna Prasad [rkrishp99]

Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:19 AM

With regards from Dr. Kilambi Ramakrishna

Cc:

Re: Lord Ganesha

 

 

Hari OM!

 

Dear all,

 

There is not only one GOD there is ONLY GOD, If Vaishnava is not worshipping

any other demi God's or GOD's there is no problem, they are worshipping GOD

in the form of Maha Vishnu, I see Maha Vishnu in Lord Ganesa also, there is

nothing wrong in it.

 

But no body's belief should be condemned, Ganesha is of course Narayana in

another form.

 

With Love & OM!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

 

"With regards from Dr. Kilambi Ramakrishna" <kramakrishna

wrote:

Jai Srimannarayana!!

Though the question is a old and frequently asked question, it is similar

to asking a married woman why she should not go/pray/worship/love any

other man other than her husband.

Iyyengars/Srivaishnavites are wedded to Lord Vishnu the only One who is

called 'The Purushottaman' and thus not necessary to worship any other

God/demigod.

Jai Srimannarayana

 

Dr.Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan

 

nagaraj wrote:

 

> Namaskaram

>

> I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

> Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

>

> Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

> but none of them have replied.

>

> Pl guide me.

>

> jai ram,

>

> nagaraj

>

>

>

>

>

> Links

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Krishna Prasad

 

"Since past and future have never been without the present, to know the

eternal Now is to know the Truth"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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SrimatE Raamaanujaaya Namaha

 

SrimatE Nigamaanta Mahaa Desikaaya Namaha

 

Srimate Sri Lakshminrisimha Divyapadukasevaka Srivan Satakopa Sri

NarayanaYatindra Mahadesikaya namaha.

 

Dear Bhagavathas,

 

Sentiments expressed is well appreciated. But we all have forgotton one thing.

The question is ' Why Sri Vaishnavites do not worship Ganesha / Vinayaka ?" .

 

In the answer, it is said only those WHO HAVE DONE SARANAGATHI TO SRIMAN

NARAYANAN ' do not worship Ganesha / Vinayaka and to expalin, the reasons are

given. No where it is mentioned that NO ONE should worship other Demi Gods . No

offence meant to any one.

 

In Chapter 10 of Bhagavad Gita , the Opulence of the Absolute is clearly

explained through the discussions of Arjuna and Lord Krishna.

 

As such there is no place for anyone to get sentimental on this.

 

Regards

 

Adiyen, Ramanuja Dasan- G.Sampath.

 

 

gopinathan.r wrote:

Dear all,

 

My aim is not to say anything personally against anyone. I am just

expressing my views about the discussion going on in this forum.

 

I want to recall what Lord Krishna says in the Bhagvad Gita. "Whatever form

one worships I reach out to him in that form. And whatever worship or

prayer one offers ultimately reaches Me."

 

It may be correct if one thinks that he will worship only a particular form

of the Lord. But then it does not entitle him to belittle other forms.

 

It is sad to note that such differences are appearing so prominently at a

time when Hinduism itself is fighting for its revival, struggling to fight

off, on the one hand the Hindu-bashing by the so called "secular"

politicians, tv channels and newspapers, and on the other hand the assault

being deliberated and meticulously executed by missionaries of other

religions, and the "scholars" of RISA (Religions In South Asia) like Paul

Courtright and Wendy Doniger who are specializing in "inventing"

nightmarish theories about Hinduism and Hindu Gods.

 

I wish to register my protest to such poor comparisons of worshipping

another Hindu God, which don't paint a good picture of Hinduism. This

would only add strength to those who are trying to belittle Hinduism.

 

This is the time for us to unite. And if we have atleast any atom of love

towards Hinduism then it is for us to display it by avoiding the wastage of

our energies in belittling our different Gods by such unpleasant and

disparaging comparison of their worship to extramarital and immoral

affairs.

 

You might wonder why I am so serious in this issue. Pls continue reading

this item and you will understand the validity of my argument.

 

Pls note that whatever I am writing below pertains only to those western

scholars and their followers in India who are indulging in slanderous

campaign against Hinduism.

 

I was infuriated and extremely shocked to read an outrageous and extremely

blasphemous comment made by Wendy Doniger.

 

The Bhagavad Gita is not as nice a book as some Americans think. Throughout

the Mahabharata ... Krishna goads human beings into all sorts of murderous

and self-destructive behaviors such as war.... The Gita is a dishonest book

-- Wendy Doniger, Professor of History of Religions, University of Chicago.

Quoted in Philadelphia Inquirer, 19 November, 2000.

And Paul Courtright has already stunned the world by his smallness in his

macabre misrepresentation Hindu Gods.

This is just a sample of the sinister and libellous campaign by these

western scholars who are holding the field of religious studies to ransom.

With their awful influence on the academic world, Wendy and her academic

cohorts are waging a war on Hinduism to establish their western hegemony.

Their plan is to project Hinduism in poor light by assassinating the

culture, beliefs and puranas of this country, thereby creating an air of

shame so that Hindus would think it a matter of shame to even identify

themselves as Hindus.

Already there is a class of people in India who think that anything Indian

is inferior; that our ancestors were barbarians; that our ancestors had

never even heard of the word "civilization"; that our religion and customs

are replete with false and baseless theories; that our religion's epics and

scriptures are overflowing with violence and sexuality; that Christianity

and the Europeans came here as redeemers; that Europeans taught us culture

and "converted" us into human beings; that Europeans especially the British

strived for eliminating the inequalities and injustice forced on a section

of our people; that without the advent of Europeans, we would have been

savages.

Once Swami Vivekananda remarked "The first thing that a child going to

school is taught is that his ancestors were fools and such education has

not produced a single human being in all the presidencies".

Unfortunately, this is what has been taught to us from our childhood in

schools, even after independence. Education in this country is one of the

most maligned and distorted fields in this country, which has been trampled

under the notorious feet of the so-called intelligentsia, whose allegiance

to Western philosophies, and their open derision of Indian religion

continues unscathed. And independent India has only provided a more

independent atmosphere and a more fertile ground to these sepoys who find

immense pleasure in serving their western masters. It is a curse in this

country that our own people take pride in glorifying the notorious history

books written by "western scholars" and the result being our own people

turning into sepoys fighting to protect the baseless and blasphemous

theories of their western masters. Let all of us unite and fight off these

evil forces that are trying to jeopardize our religion and its beliefs.

It is high time that we stop fighting within ourselves.

Narayana Narayana Narayana

R.Gopinathan

Loka samastaah sukhinah bhavanthu

>In the light of the above it is expected from

>Srivaishnavites to refrain from worshipping

>Demi Gods in any form rather than

>doing service and worship to Lord Sriman

>Narayanan . If we keep worshipping other demi

>Gods as well after Saranagathi , it would

>amount to ( in the worldly order ) wife

>keeping the photograph of another person

>( other than her husband ) in privacy after

>marriage and having satisfaction. It is highly

>immoral to do such an act and hence to be avoided.

>

>Moreover, when one gets an opportunity to deal

>with the Big boss ( say Chairman ) in a company ,

>why should we go to the people in lower rank ,

>who cannot solve our problem , to get our job

>done . Does it not look ridiculous ?

>

>Trust the matter is clear now.

>

>Regards

>

>Yours Ramanuja Dasan, G.Sampath.

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C.K. Srinivasan wrote:

 

> Dear Devotees and friends,

>

> I do not consider myself

> competant

> to answer sri nagarajs query. However from what i have learnt from our

> reverened acharyas is that in our sri vaishnava philosophy Lord

> srimannarayana is the supreme deity to whom we surrender.The great epic

> srimad bhagvadgita also propounds the same.

> After a person goes through

> samasrayanam and sharanagati through the blessings of an acharya ,it is

> acomplete surrender to Sriman narayana and worship of anya devathas is

> prohibited. Pl. bear with me for this indulgence.

> thank u all.

> c.k.srinivasan.

>

>

>

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Dear Bhagavatas:

With this posting the discussion on the subject is closed.

Any further discussions may be had through private mails

among those interested in continuing the discussions.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

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True.we agree.there is only one god.

Sa Eka Purusha:-Veda Vaakyam.

Vedas clearly specifies Sriman Narayana as the one & only god.

It further specifies all other gods as Angams to Hari.

There is no further superior statement than what vedas determine.

So the statement what our friend Dr.Kidambi Ramanujan wrote is

true and does not hurt or condemn any ones feelings.

 

Dasan,

Srirangan

 

 

 

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 Krishna Prasad wrote :

>Hari OM!

>

>Dear all,

>

>There is not only one GOD there is ONLY GOD, If Vaishnava is not worshipping

any other demi God's or GOD's there is no problem, they are worshipping GOD in

the form of Maha Vishnu, I see Maha Vishnu in Lord Ganesa also, there is nothing

wrong in it.

>

>But no body's belief should be condemned, Ganesha is of course Narayana in

another form.

>

>With Love & OM!

>

>Krishna Prasad

>

>

>"With regards from Dr. Kilambi Ramakrishna" <kramakrishna wrote:

>Jai Srimannarayana!!

>Though the question is a old and frequently asked question, it is similar

>to asking a married woman why she should not go/pray/worship/love any

>other man other than her husband.

>Iyyengars/Srivaishnavites are wedded to Lord Vishnu the only One who is

>called 'The Purushottaman' and thus not necessary to worship any other

>God/demigod.

>Jai Srimannarayana

>

>Dr.Kilambi Ramakrishna Ramanuja Dasan

>

>nagaraj wrote:

>

> > Namaskaram

> >

> > I would like to know why an Iyengar Should not worship

> > Lord Ganesha/Vinayaka.

> >

> > Any one pl replay.I am asking the same question for 3 time

> > but none of them have replied.

> >

> > Pl guide me.

> >

> > jai ram,

> >

> > nagaraj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

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