Paratatva Nirnayam of Lord Laxmi Narayana

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Priya Bhagawadbandhuvullara,

Srimannarayana Ramanuja Yathibhyo Namaha

Srimathay Narayananayanamaha

Srimathay Ramanujaya Namaha

Jaishrimannarayana

Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity as per the paratatva nirnayam

done by all our Azhwars again and again and again, Acharyas and many

many saints of the past and

the present. Still millions of people fall into doubt when it comes to

 

rituals, practices etc; even children of vaishnavites are falling into

this

doubt trap. So let us all once again list out various facts and

statements based

on which Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity for one and all to

attain non challenging supreme bliss for ever.

 

 

This Ramanuja Dasa Dasa Dasan now starts to list out a few

 

1. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who descended on this earth in

 

numerous forms (Dasavataras and many more) and spent a very very long

time especially as Lord Rama.(more than 10000 years) and killed

numerous demons. He also came as Nara-Narayana and continued for ever

there in Sri Badrinath for the benefit of all of us.

 

2. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who descended on this earth

and gave us the total picture of the human being, his duties, aims,

ways and

means to achieve etc His supreme abode along with His utmost supremacy

is spelt out

through Srimad Bhagawad Gita which is the only Hindu document that is

considered by all on par (if not many more) with the Bible, Quran etc of

other religions.

 

3. Even on the basis of Trinity, Lord Vishnu who all consider as Lord

Srimannarayana is the one who sustains this universe. Here too

sustenance is the most important every moment of our life; as Creation

is

already over (though by Lord Brahma who came out from the navel of Lord

Vishnu and who just follows the manual 'Vedas' which He often drops

and gets back from Lord Vishnu) and annihilation is not of immediate

concern ( Though even the

annihilator Lord Siva is born from Lord Brahma who is again from the

navel of Lord Vishnu). Thus Lord Vishnu who is the sustainer of each

and every being is the most important of all deities every moment of our

 

life to be attached with. Aim of all Jeevas is well known to be anyhow

to get freedom from cycles of births (Lord Brahma's purview) and deaths

(Lord Siva's Purview)

 

4. Mantra pushpam chanted by all the hindu faiths, mentions

'Antarbahischa tatsarvam Vyapya Narayana Stithaha....', which proves the

 

supremacy of Lord Narayana. He is the smallest of the small and largest

of the large, which says He covers everything and everything and

everything.

 

5. Sandhyavandam done by all faiths of hinduism shows purification by

Sri Pundareekakshayanamaha, Sri Atchyutayanamaha, Sri Anantayanamaha,

Sri Govindaya namaha which are nothing but the names of Lord Vishnu

 

6. The Sun who is undenyingly called the Pratyaksha Bhagwan for all is

called as SuryaNARAYANA. One recognizes or not, each and every being

is surviving because of Sri SuryaNarayana only.

 

7. . Most of the demons or Rakshasas are the devotees of Lord Siva, but

killed by the forms of Lord Vishnu, which indicates that Lord Siva

do-not/cannot rescue His devotees if they go against Lord Vishnu.

 

8. Sri Ashtakshari is the only mantra of Lord Narayana called Mantra

Rajam

and which is the only one that has Sarvavyapakatvam along with built in

Omkaram. This is declared by none other than Sri Veda Vyasa who is the

author of Srimad Maha Bharatam, Srimad Bhagavatham and all the other

puranas.

 

9. Lord Vishnu had to rescue Lord Shiva numerous times from His own

devotees like Bhasmasura, Gajasura etc.

 

 

Thus Lord Sriman Narayana is to be wedded to be none other than one's

own husband by all jeevas (As all the souls are feminine) for one's

success. Thus a true wife does ArAdhana of husband only and any other

big shot (whatever BIG he is ) she just does Adarana. Such attitude is

the only and only singled-out reason for achieving fool-proof success

in wife-husband relationship anywhere in the world; so does

Atma-Paramatma relationship; and there is no scope for any compromise at

all what so ever even for a millionth of a second.

 

 

Sarvaparadhamulatow

 

KILAMBI RAMAKRISHNA RAMANUJA DASAN

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Dear Sir,

 

I agree with all your statements.

Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There is

absolutely none who is equal to him.

 

But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad

Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran.

All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is

considered the life breath of Lord Narayana.

 

Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with no

comparison to the Vedas.

 

Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion.

 

 

Thanks,

 

rohit

[Guest guest]

I have always enjoyed your postings and they have been

excellent. However, I would like to point out one

thing. I do not like the use of the word "ritual." The

word ritual was coined by the English (Christians) to

refer to the sevas (services) we offer in our temples

etc. The word ritual denotes (unenthuastic) mechanical

performance of work as a duty (without love). We do

not perform rituals but we perform sevas (services)

with love and affection to the Lord. When we

celebrate our children's birthdays or wedding, do we

we call these actions as rituals? We don't call these

celebrations as rituals since we celebrate the

birthdays, weddings etc with love and affection to our

children. Similarly, we do not perform rituals in our

relegious practices. We do not perform rituals in

Tirupathi, but we perform various sevas. To the

outsider these actions may appear to be ritualistic,

but we perform these services with enthusiasm, we

clebrate and enjoy each of these actions. The so

called educated (the pseudo educated) have simply

copied this terminology from the Christian

commentators. However, we should not ourselves refer

them as rituals, since they are NOT actually rituals.

 

Another major objection is that you have mentioned

that Bhagavad Githa is on par with Bible and Koran.

That is demeaning to SrimadBhagavad Githa and its

acharya. The Bhavad Githa was told by Lord Krishna who

is Bhagavan swayam. On the othher hand, Bible and

Koran were told by messengers. Now there is a

significant difference here between the Githa and the

other books. We Indians (Andhras in particular) have a

tendency to significantly elevate other's stuff and

put down our own.

 

Perhasp, we Vaishnavas should not be even using the

word Trinity. We know with certainity that Lord Sriman

Narayana is the supreme and everything including

Brhama and Shiva emnated from Him. other with

ignirance can use the word. But, I feel that we should

not ourself use that word.

 

Other tha the things raised above, your article is

excellent. Perhaps, you could add the fact that the

Purusa Suktham which is chanted in all the

sampradayams, states that the Supreme Purusha is the

one who has Hri (Godess of shyness) and Laksmi as his

wives (".....hrischyathe Laksmischa pathnow....").

 

With pranams to Jagadguru Sri Sri Sri Thridandi Sriman

Narayana Ramanuja Chinna Jear Swamy, and with all

glories to Lord Sri venkateshvara, I remain,

 

Sincerely

Narender Reddy

reddynp

--- Rama Krishna K <kramakrishna wrote:

> Priya Bhagawadbandhuvullara,

> Srimannarayana Ramanuja Yathibhyo Namaha

> Srimathay Narayananayanamaha

> Srimathay Ramanujaya Namaha

> Jaishrimannarayana

> Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity as per the

> paratatva nirnayam

> done by all our Azhwars again and again and again,

> Acharyas and many

> many saints of the past and

> the present. Still millions of people fall into

> doubt when it comes to

>

> rituals, practices etc; even children of

> vaishnavites are falling into

> this

> doubt trap. So let us all once again list out

> various facts and

> statements based

> on which Lord Srimannarayana is the supreme deity

> for one and all to

> attain non challenging supreme bliss for ever.

>

>

> This Ramanuja Dasa Dasa Dasan now starts to

> list out a few

>

> 1. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who

> descended on this earth in

>

> numerous forms (Dasavataras and many more) and spent

> a very very long

> time especially as Lord Rama.(more than 10000 years)

> and killed

> numerous demons. He also came as Nara-Narayana and

> continued for ever

> there in Sri Badrinath for the benefit of all of

> us.

>

> 2. Lord Srimannarayana is the only deity who

> descended on this earth

> and gave us the total picture of the human being,

> his duties, aims,

> ways and

> means to achieve etc His supreme abode along with

> His utmost supremacy

> is spelt out

> through Srimad Bhagawad Gita which is the only Hindu

> document that is

> considered by all on par (if not many more) with the

> Bible, Quran etc of

> other religions.

>

> 3. Even on the basis of Trinity, Lord Vishnu who

> all consider as Lord

> Srimannarayana is the one who sustains this

> universe. Here too

> sustenance is the most important every moment of our

> life; as Creation

> is

> already over (though by Lord Brahma who came out

> from the navel of Lord

> Vishnu and who just follows the manual 'Vedas'

> which He often drops

> and gets back from Lord Vishnu) and annihilation is

> not of immediate

> concern ( Though even the

> annihilator Lord Siva is born from Lord Brahma who

> is again from the

> navel of Lord Vishnu). Thus Lord Vishnu who is the

> sustainer of each

> and every being is the most important of all deities

> every moment of our

>

> life to be attached with. Aim of all Jeevas is well

> known to be anyhow

> to get freedom from cycles of births (Lord Brahma's

> purview) and deaths

> (Lord Siva's Purview)

>

> 4. Mantra pushpam chanted by all the hindu faiths,

> mentions

> 'Antarbahischa tatsarvam Vyapya Narayana

> Stithaha....', which proves the

>

> supremacy of Lord Narayana. He is the smallest of

> the small and largest

> of the large, which says He covers everything and

> everything and

> everything.

>

> 5. Sandhyavandam done by all faiths of hinduism

> shows purification by

> Sri Pundareekakshayanamaha, Sri Atchyutayanamaha,

> Sri Anantayanamaha,

> Sri Govindaya namaha which are nothing but the names

> of Lord Vishnu

>

> 6. The Sun who is undenyingly called the Pratyaksha

> Bhagwan for all is

> called as SuryaNARAYANA. One recognizes or not,

> each and every being

> is surviving because of Sri SuryaNarayana only.

>

> 7. . Most of the demons or Rakshasas are the

> devotees of Lord Siva, but

> killed by the forms of Lord Vishnu, which indicates

> that Lord Siva

> do-not/cannot rescue His devotees if they go against

> Lord Vishnu.

>

> 8. Sri Ashtakshari is the only mantra of Lord

> Narayana called Mantra

> Rajam

> and which is the only one that has Sarvavyapakatvam

> along with built in

> Omkaram. This is declared by none other than Sri

> Veda Vyasa who is the

> author of Srimad Maha Bharatam, Srimad Bhagavatham

> and all the other

> puranas.

>

> 9. Lord Vishnu had to rescue Lord Shiva numerous

> times from His own

> devotees like Bhasmasura, Gajasura etc.

>

>

> Thus Lord Sriman Narayana is to be wedded to be

> none other than one's

> own husband by all jeevas (As all the souls are

> feminine) for one's

> success. Thus a true wife does ArAdhana of husband

> only and any other

> big shot (whatever BIG he is ) she just does

> Adarana. Such attitude is

> the only and only singled-out reason for achieving

> fool-proof success

> in wife-husband relationship anywhere in the world;

> so does

> Atma-Paramatma relationship; and there is no scope

> for any compromise at

> all what so ever even for a millionth of a second.

>

>

> Sarvaparadhamulatow

>

> KILAMBI RAMAKRISHNA RAMANUJA DASAN

>

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Dear SrI Rohit,

 

The superiority or inferiority of ones products are

determined by the test of time and the number of

people embracing the product.

 

We do not have any right and should not compare others

religious materials. That is what is preached to us in

our books.

 

I wish to suggest that you tone down your views and

also take my suggestions in the right way without

getting offended with my views.

 

 

 

Suresh

--- Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> I agree with all your statements.

> Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There is

> absolutely none who is equal to him.

>

> But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad

> Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran.

> All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is

> considered the life breath of Lord Narayana.

>

> Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with no

> comparison to the Vedas.

>

> Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> rohit

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear SrI Suresh,

 

Thank you for your advice. I am sorry if I sounded too

offensive. I actually intended to mean that since the

vedic religion is the oldest religion and is

sanctioned by Lord SrimanNarayana himself, therefore

there is no need to consider other doctrines.

 

I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings.

 

- rohit

--- Suresh Rajagopalan <sureshvr19 wrote:

> Dear SrI Rohit,

>

> The superiority or inferiority of ones products are

> determined by the test of time and the number of

> people embracing the product.

>

> We do not have any right and should not compare

> others

> religious materials. That is what is preached to us

> in

> our books.

>

> I wish to suggest that you tone down your views and

> also take my suggestions in the right way without

> getting offended with my views.

>

>

>

> Suresh

> --- Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit wrote:

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I agree with all your statements.

> > Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There

> is

> > absolutely none who is equal to him.

> >

> > But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad

> > Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or

> quran.

> > All Vedic literature is divinely revealed and is

> > considered the life breath of Lord Narayana.

> >

> > Bible and quran are inferior heretical books with

> no

> > comparison to the Vedas.

> >

> > Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > rohit

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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=====

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email: iyer_rohit

Home Phone: (408) 445-9693

Work Phone: (408) 543-6668

 

 

 

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Rajaram V. Suresh Rajagopalan <sureshvr19 > wrote: Dear SrI Rohit,The

superiority or inferiority of ones products aredetermined by the test of time

and the number ofpeople embracing the product.We do not have any right and

should not compare othersreligious materials. That is what is preached to us

inour books.I wish to suggest that you tone down your views andalso take my

suggestions in the right way withoutgetting offended with my views.Suresh---

Rohit Iyer <iyer_rohit > wrote:> Dear Sir,> > I agree with all your

statements.> Bhagavan Srimannarayana is the supreme god. There is> absolutely

none who is equal to him.> > But please don't compare the all glorious Srimad>

Bhagavadgita to nonsense books like bible or quran.> All Vedic literature is

divinely revealed and is> considered the life breath of Lord Narayana.> > Bible

and quran are inferior heretical books with no> comparison to the Vedas.> >

Vedic Dharma is the only one true religion.> > > Thanks,> > rohit> > > >

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Dear Sri Rohit,

I refer to the following words mentioned in your posting dated Friday, January 25, 2002 12:12 AM

"But please don't compare the all glorious SrimadBhagavadgita to nonsense books

like bible or quran."

 

While I agree with the sentiments expressed by you in saying "Vedic Dharma is

the only one true religion." I would like to place my views relating to what

Sri.Rama Krishna.K said and your reply to it.

That Sriman Narayana is the Paratathvam is an unimpeachable fact and praising

His innumerable Kalyana gunas and preaching His teachings after surrendering

ones own soul to Him is the foremost duty of a prapanna.

Sri. Rama Krishna is certainly not wrong in saying:Srimad Bhagawad Gita which is

the only Hindu document that is considered by all on par (if not many more) with

the Bible, Quran etc of other religions. Many great scholars have compared Vedic

texts with scriptures of other religions. More over if the words of Sri Rama

Krishna is examined carefully, it has been pointed out as to what others think

about Srimad Baghavat Gita which is only a factual assertion. Now even

accepting for a moment without admitting that the words of Sri Rama Krishna are

wrong and in derogation to the name and fame of Srimad Baghavat Gita, your

response to it may not be proper.

We have the previllage of singing praises to our Lord who is Supreme. Where do

we get the liberty to insult others?. If we are true prapannas, we should

belive that the Divya Thambadhi reside as antaryami in every jiva regardless of

weather he is a muslim, christian etc or it is cattle or sheep., we have no

right insult any person in whom the divya thambathi reside.

We have full liberty to criticise other philosophies only to compare them with

ours and prove that ours is superlative. We have seen adhvaitam come under

severe criticism in texts such as 'Satadooshini'etc., but never ever an

advaitin was insulted. When ever referrence is made to shankara by our elders,

he is referred as Adi Shankara Baghavat Pada justly granting him the respect he

deserves though his philosophy was examined threadbare and differed by our

acharyaas. Should we not learn this basic etiquette from our elders.

After paratatva ninayam in the court of the Pandiya King, when Lord appeared

before PeriyAlwaar, ThirupallAndu was sung as mangalaasasanam to Him.

PeriyAlwar did not just perform mangalAsAsanam individually or only on behalf

of men in his camp alone, he had allowed, aiswaryAthis, KaivalyArthis and

others join him and a collective mangalAsAsanam was performed. When we are

praising Sriman Narayana here for his Kalyana Gunas why should we leave others

aside, whether they join us or not we can always do our work unmindful of them

(leving them unhurt as well). It is not our philosophy that we should thrive

when others bleed. Are love and grace not the essential qualities of a

prapanna?

Paratatva nirnayam is performed as our solemn  duty. Any duty is done as Sriman

Narayana Priyathartham or Kainkaryaroopam. Inulting the sentiments of fellow

human beings would seldom be to His Preethi or a Kainkaryam. We would be

endearing ourselves to him by such words and acts. The very thought is wrong

and so are the choice of words. 

Let us come closer as His Thondarkulam and march forward while sharing and

experiencing His divine athbutha gunams, leaving His other children unhurt and

to attain Him in the ways they think are the best for them.

Adiyen

Baktha Angari Renu

Vasu Venkata Raghava Dasan

[Guest guest]

Enough has been said on the topic. In view of Sri Rohit's clarification of his

stand, I feel that this discussion can be put behind us. Let us move on to the

enjoyment of the Kalyana gunaanubhavam of the Divya Dhampathis.

Thanks for your understanding.

Anbil Ramaswamy

Editor

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Dear Sri Vasu - The statement that ALL people accept Srimad Bhagavad Gita on par

with the Bible or Quran is not true. Most Christians would consider the Bible as

supreme and Muslims would consider Quran as Supreme. While Sri Ramakrishna is

free to think that it is others opinion and restate it, it is neither others

opinion nor true. We have  to offer a great deal of respect to Sri Adi Sankara

even if we counter advaitam. But we may have to refrain from offering the same

respect to some one like the Prophet as his life is very immoral. While it is

true that all have to be seen equally on the spiritual plane, we definitely

have to make distinction in the material world. The truth, if unpalatable and

useless in a context, may not be stated. But truth exists irrespective our

statement. After Galileo gave up his theory on solar system under the influence

of the Church, he was heard saying, "But they still move". Truth, even if

powerless would persist. That is the nature of truth.

Was Bible not changed over time by the Church ? Did Mohammed not covet jewish

women ? When one criticizes these actions, we are not condemning the antaryami

within but the human fraility. Even if we expose the flaws in Bible or Quran

and establish their inferiortiy, some sentimentalists would be hurt. But that

should not matter at all. How are you sure that no smarta is sentimentally hurt

when you condemn Sri Adi Sanakara's philosophy ?  We are probably taking a soft

attitude towards Christianity and Islam because we live in a predominantly

Christian - Islamic world. We dont take the same attitude towards smartas. My

intent is not to offend and please forgive if I have offended in any way. Yours

humbly

Rajaram V.

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Dear Sirs,

 

I agree with the views expressed in the email referred to.

 

One has to adopt the great qualities preached and practised by Bhagavad

Bhashyakara. Sri Bhasyakarar had developed and defended the vishistadvaita

siddhanta with great humility and due respect for Sri Bhagavadpada. Because

of His kalyanagunas, great Advaitis like Yadava prakasa and Yagnamurthy came

under his spell.

 

I have not gone through the previous correspondences. Hence I am not going

into the merits of the arguments and counter arguments advanced in support

of the either of the parties. However, I am submitting my humble

observations about Sri Bhagavadpada in the following lines.

 

Acharya Sankara was a great vaishnavite in the broad sense. He expounded

his doctorine of monism on the Vaishnava platform. He wrote commentaries on

the works which speak in itself vishnu paratvam. Narayana Bhattathiri had

acknowledged and felicitated Acharya Sankara as a great Vaishnavite.

Generally, there has been a long time misconception prevails in the minds

of Smarthas and Vaishnavites in the tamil land. As a matter of fact,

smarthas are not saivites. Any smartha who loves, adores, devotes Lord

Vishnu is a vaishnavite. This is at theological level. Let us move into

philosophical level. Advaitam, Dwaitam & Vishistadvaitam found their roots

in the Vedas, upanishads. Our contention is that the vedic texts found full

justice at the lotus hands of Sri Bhashyakara rathar than Sri Anandathirtha

and Sri Bhagadvadpada. We should also admit the fact that the contributions

of both Acharyas namely, Sri Anandathirtha and Sri Bhagavadpada were in no

way inferior to that of Sri Bhashyakara. I could also see the common

factors in the siddhantas of Trimatacharyas.

 

Trimatacharyas were true vaishnavites. They defended the

Vishnuparatvam in their works. There were differences in analytical

interpretation of vedic texts. But their spiritual journey and their

discoveries were deeply routed in vishnu bhakti. Like Sri Bhashyakara, Sri

Bhagavadpada also made self-surrender (prapatti) to Lord Nrisimha.

 

All these Schools were founded on strong vedic base. Let us not

engage ourselves in tiresome arguments. Instead, we may concentrate in

understanding our own siddhanta in a better manner and live upto it.

 

With regards,

 

Yours sincerely,

 

R.Parthiban.

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Thondar Uhakkum Nin Thunai Adi Vaazhi

 

Dear Bhagavathas,

 

I endorse the views of Shri Suresh. Shri Rohit, in his anxiety, has

exceeded his brief a bit. It is understandable. Tolerance is the basic

mantra of our Religion. Our Poorvacharyas also preached and practised.

Then why should we stray?

 

In our own Vaishnava sampradaya, there are lots of difference of opinion.

Even now Desika sampradaya practitioners are not recognised in Thennacharya

Goshtis in Divya Desams. This is more pronounced in North of Tamil Nadu

than South. Though it is prevalent to some extent in South, it is not that

rampant as in Northern part of Tamil Nadu. Are we not tolerating ? Many of

our Acharyas have tried to build bridges. But, nothing much has happened.

However, we eulogise our own sampradaya while at the same not trying to

decry the other. We are ill-fit to even think about it. Acharyas of both

the Sampradaya (Swami Desikan, Swami Mamuni) have rendered yeoman service to

the cause of our philosophy. It is my humble submission that we should

try to work in unison and understand each other and eradicate attempts to

widen the gulf. After all, the ultimate aim is Paratatva Nirnayam of Lord

Sriman Narayanan.

 

Why should we even think of our faiths, while we are yet to set our own

house in order.

 

If I am wrong, please pardon me and correct me.

 

Let us all avoid such references and work towards propagation of our

Acharyas' teachings and be their true followers.

 

Vachiga doshaha kshanthavyaha

 

Adiyen

 

Srirangam Srinivasa Raghava dasan

 

Azhwar, Emberumanaar, Swami Desikan Thiruvadigalae charanam

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Thanks for the information.

Let us also remember that Sri Sankaracharya wrote his

first commentary on the Vishnu Sahasranama. From my

point of view, this itself indicates that he was a

devotee of Bhagavan Vishnu.

 

Also if I am not mistaken in one of the puranas it is

mentioned that Bhagavan Narayana requested Lord Siva

to descend on earth to combat the various anti-vedic

schools that had sprung up all over India.

This amsa expansion of Lord Siva was Sri

Sankaracharya.

 

If someone has the exact quote from the puranas that

would be helpfull too.

 

Thanks,

 

rohit

[Guest guest]

Thondar Uhakkum Ni Thunai Adi Vaazhi

 

Dear Narayana Bakthas

 

One authentic version regarding Shri Rohit Iyer's query is that when Adi

Sankara Bhagavat Padaal visited Srinagar (Kashmir), he asked one of his

disciples to bring from the Pooja Room the Lalitha Sahasranamam for writing

Bashyam. The disciple brought Vishnu Sahasranamam. Adi Sankara chided the

disciple and asked him to bring Lalitha Sahasranamam. Again, the disciple

brought the Vishnu Sahasranamam. When Adi Sankara enquired as to the reason

for bringing Vishnu Sahasranamam instead of Lalitha Sahasranamam, the

disciple replied that when he wanted to take Lalitha Sahasranamam, a

kanyasthri was directing me to take Vishnu Sahasranamam only. Adi Sankara

realised that it was the will of Goddess that he should write Bashyam only

for Vishnu Sahasranamam.

 

If any one differs from this view, I may be enlightened.

 

Adiyen

 

Srirangam Srinivasa Raghava dasan

 

Azhwar, Emberumanaar, Swami Desikan Thiruvadigalae charanam

 

> ----------

> Rohit Iyer[sMTP:iyer_rohit]

> 28 January 2002 22:56

> parthiban ragavachari; v_raja_ram

> Cc: vasu_venkat; kramakrishna;

> ; iyer_rohit

> Re: Paratatva Nirnayam of Lord Laxmi Narayana

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Thanks for the information.

> Let us also remember that Sri Sankaracharya wrote his

> first commentary on the Vishnu Sahasranama. From my

> point of view, this itself indicates that he was a

> devotee of Bhagavan Vishnu.

>

> Also if I am not mistaken in one of the puranas it is

> mentioned that Bhagavan Narayana requested Lord Siva

> to descend on earth to combat the various anti-vedic

> schools that had sprung up all over India.

> This amsa expansion of Lord Siva was Sri

> Sankaracharya.

>

> If someone has the exact quote from the puranas that

> would be helpfull too.

>

> Thanks,

>

> rohit

>

>

>

>

>

> Srirangasri-

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohit,

 

Yes, Sankara was a devotee of Supreme Lord Narayana.

Although Sankara taught impersonal philosophy but he

never denied the personal form of the lord. He

maintained that the Supereme Lord Narayana is beyond

material conception.

 

In Kali yuga to stop the animal sacrifice, the

supereme lord appeared as Buddha and rejected the

vedas ( Based on Srimad Bhagavatham). The purpose of

Sankara's appearance was to mislead the atheist, so he

preached the mayavada philosphy (advaita).

 

Yes, in Padma purana and Siva purana, the appearance

of Sankara is mentioned. The quote of Padma Purana is

as follows where Lord Siva states:

 

mayavadam asac chastram

pracchannam bauddham ucyate

mayaiva kalpitam devi

kalau brahmana rupina

 

(In kaliyuga I will appear in form of a brahmana to

preach mayavada philosophy to mislead the atheist)-

not the direct translation.

 

In Siva Purana, the Supreme Lord says

 

dvaparadau yuge bhutva

kalaya manususadisu

svagamaih kalpitas tvam ca

janan mad vimukhan kuru

 

(In the begining of Dwara yuga, directed by my orders

manay sages will bewilder people in general by

Mayavada philosophy) - this is still going on and on

in Kali yuga.

 

Again in Padma purana, Lord Siva personally tells

Parvathi:

 

srnu devi paraksyami

tamasi yatha kraman

yesam sravana matrena

patiyam jnaninam api

 

apartham sruti vakyanam

darsayal loka garhitam

karma svarupa tyajyatvam

atra ca pratipadyate

 

sarva karma paribhramsan

naiskarmyam tatra cocyate

paratma jivayor aikyam

mayatra pratipadyate

 

(My dear Devi, sometimes I teach mayavadi philosophy

for those engrossed in the mode of ignorance (tamo

guna), but if a person in the mode of goodness (satva

guna) happens to hear this, he falls down, for when

teaching mayavadi philosophy, I say that the living

entity and the supreme lord are one and the same.

 

(The above quotes are taken from Teachings of Lord

Chaitanya by Srila Prabupada)

 

Lord Chaitanya (Madhava sampradaya) said mayavadi

bhasya sunile haya sarva nasa which means if one hears

mayadi bhasya he/she is doomed.

 

Sankara in his last words instructs

 

bhaja govindam, bhaja govindam

bhaja govindam mudha mute

samprapte sannihite kale

na hi na hi raksati dukrn karane

 

(workship govinda, workship govinda fools, all your

grammtical knowledge will not save you at the time of

death)

 

So Sankara is Lord Siva. Lord Siva himself is the

greatest vaisnava. (Vaisnanam yatho samboh) Lord Siva

also says at of all types of workship, workship of

visnu is the greatest (ardannam sarvesam visnum

ardannam param).

 

I hope it answers your questions Rohit. I have

answered based on my limeted knowledge on the subject.

I know there many scholars/acaryas/bhagavathas who can

provide further explanation to the questions.

 

Hope to hear from them.

 

Bala

Penang, Malaysia

 

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/District/9622/resbala.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Here is my humble opinion why Bible or quran may not

considered as authentic as the Vedic and Agamic

literatures.

 

1. The vedas/Agamas have been preserved for milions of

years on this planet in their authentic form.

 

2. The vedas are sruti and are eternal. The word used

is nisvasitam or life breath of Lord Narayana. At the

begining of creation they were imparted to Lord Brahma

by Sriman Narayana directly in his heart. Then through

the parampara system it has been preserved on this

planet for eons. Also while the Vedas exist in sound

form here on earth (sabda-brahman) they exist in a

manifest form in Brahmaloka.

 

3. Since the vedas are sound energy manifestion of

Brahman they are called sabda-brahman. By chanting the

mantras in correct intonation the power can be

experienced directly. One can have a vision of

supernatural forces also, if one is pure enough.

The same cannot be said about chanting bible or quran.

 

4. Bible and quran do not have as strong a tradition

of preservation as the vedas. The original bible is

said have been written in various languages like

Syriac, Aramaic, Hebrew etc. Jesus himself spoke

Aramaic. It was later translated to Greek. From Greek

to Latin. From Latin to Medieval English. From

Medieval English to Modern English. God knows how much

of the original "revelation" has been lost in the

translation. Mohammed composed his quran largely on

the basis of the bible. He translated portions of it

to Arabic. Nothing original here.

 

5. The vedas describe the supreme being as being

3-fold- Brahman, Bhagavan and Paramatman. Brahman is

his impersonal, all pervading, infinite form. As

Paramatman he is situated in the lotus of the heart in

every living being. As Bhagavan he is the supreme

personal god Narayana full of glorious attributes.

Nowhere in the bible or quran do we find such complete

information on the supreme being. All we find are some

vague speculations.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Thanks,

 

rohit

 

 

--- Simhesvara dasa <simhes2001 wrote:

> We could probably ask why rohit considers Quaran and

> Bible as nonsense when they do speak of GOD.

>

> Simhes

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Balakrishnan,

 

Thank you for the information.

It was very helpful.

 

- rohit