Fw: [The_Deep_Forty] Reply: Verse 20 Meaning based on experience

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Dear Sir

Thank you very much for taking the time to make this post.

The main Ramana Maharshi Group has a much larger membership base than this

list, so i am forwarding this, where there can be more concentration on NRK.

Best wishes

 

John

 

Siva—Siva

- revathi ravisankar

The_Deep_Forty

Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:38 PM

[The_Deep_Forty] Reply: Verse 20 Meaning based on experience

Dear Sir, I am really behind on my mail due to heavy work at office.

I am surprised by the interest shown on Mr N R Krishnamurthy Aiyer.He received

the jolt necessary to see the ‘I’ However, I do not know if this issue I am

about to state was discussed.

One of the issue I find in hunting the source of ‘I’ is that we need to find

that jolt we are to receive when we find that we are at the feet of the lord

always. Here is a piece of conversation between Shri Ganapathi muni and

Maharishi

Gananpathi Sastri asked Maharshi " Is the seeking of the source of the 'I'

thought, sufficient for the accomplishment of all my aims, or is mantra dhyana

needed?"

Maharshi answered, " The former is sufice"; and when asked about the aim, added:

" You had better throw the entire burden on the Lord ( Isvara).He will carry all

and you will be freed from the burden. He will do his Duty."

The easiest way to forward is by feeling gods presence by feeling through your senses

He who sees God without seeing the Self sees only a mental image. They say that

he who sees the Self sees God. He who, having completely lost the ego, sees the

Self, has found God, because the Self does not exist apart from God.

I enclose a Bhavans Journal article on how one can see one self between two

thoughts constantly and really experience the verse twenty.The name can even be

Ramana , Ramana , Ramana ….. as many times as required.

The verse twenty in this form can appeal to a wide audience as against ultimate

experience of Shri N R Krishnamurthy Aiyer. What and how Shri Krishnamurthy

experiences is his GRACE.What is your GRACE THAT IS WHAT EACH OF US HAVE TO

ANSWER INDIVIDUALLY.

Get taste for Rama Nama By Swami RamdasPublished in Bhavans journal in 1971

Devotee: All sorts of subtle things keep on sticking to us, though gross

things are not here.

Papa: The greatest difficulty of an aspirant is to control the sense of taste.

If he controls the sense of taste he has controlled all the other senses. Get

the taste of Ram-nam. When that taste comes to you, you do not mind what sort

of things you get, tasteful or otherwise. Whatever you get you will accept.

You do not crave for any sort of food, because the Name is sweeter than nectar.

But that cannot easily come. That is the difficulty. If you say desires must

go before you get it, it is like putting the cart befor! e the horse. It is

like the story of a mad man. The doctor says the madness will go if he

marries; but the madness go if any girl is to marry him! What do you do in a

case like that? You wait for God’s Grace. You pray to God. Then He will turn

your mind towards Him and give you the aspiration to realise Him. Then all

other desires will be controlled automatically. Your mind will not run towards

objects of the senses; it will be concentrated upon God. So ask for God’s

Grace. That is the only way.

Devotee: So prayer must be there, is it not Papa?

Papa: Prayer should come from the heart. You must feet the need for God.

People do not want to get out of the world. Even when they are in utter

misery, they do not pray to Him. Therefore, that urge to pray should also come

from God. Contact of saints will do. But they do not believe in contact with

saints. God from within should create the aspiration for God. Then you have

it. Even effort comes after Grace. Otherwise your Sadhan! a is only a show.

After Grace comes, you go on the path of God-realisation without looking this

side or that. Straight you go. That is due to Grace. Grace puts you on the

path of God-realisation and makes you walk on it without swerving from the

path. Your effort is useless. His power must act in you. This consciousness

should be in you; then you are a real Sadhaka. Feel conscious of the Grace,

then your path is open; you will not go astray. Straight you will go and you

will find that the path is the goal. You step on the path and you are ! at the

goal; Sadhana then becomes blissful.

Devotee: What are the easy stages on the path towards the knowledge of the Atman?

Papa: No stages, but one way Chant the Name of the Atman. Keep it up

continuously. Then you will know that you are the Atman or Self, not the body

Devotee: Papa said the other day that remembrance of God is possible only when

we receive God’s Grace.

Papa: When you repeat the Name you feel that you are doing it by His Grace.

Were you repeating the Name before?

Devotee: Not the Name, but a different Mantra.

Papa: Before you got that Mantra, were you repeating it?

Devotee: No.

Papa: How did you start repeating it? Sometimes made you repeat it. That

something is Grace. Before that you were not remembering God.

Devotee: From childhood I was remembering God.

Papa: Then from the beginning God’s Grace was there. Are you now repeating

God’s Name more constantly than you were doing before?

Devotee: Yes.

Papa: That means Grace is working more at present.

Devotee: Is God partial? Why should some get more Grace than others?

Papa: Grace is always there. You become aware of the Grace. That awareness

itself is Grace. Grace is pouring on you day and night. When you become aware

of it, you think Grace has come to you. You are becoming aware by His Grace.

Then you take His Name. Afterwards it grows in intensity day by day. Then

your mind ceases to waver.When Ramadas started Ram-nam in 1922, he began to

feel that some kind of mysterious power within him was making him repeat the

Name. And he become more and more conscious of that power as days passed. The

ego diminished gradually and God took full possession of him.

Devotee: Was Papa doing silent re-petition or chanting aloud?

Papa: Ramadas was singing Raman to himself in a low tune, and he was listening

to the sound coming out of the chanting. That gave him concentration of mind;

the mind refuse to wander about. He had also a keen longing for God. His

whole attention was on the sound; so he enjoyed sweetness when singing the

Name. He knew the sound would lead him to God.

These two things faith and longing made him enjoy the sweetness. The mind was

full of the sound as well as the thirst for God. He has no desire or

attractions for the thing of the world. He used to go into solitude and all

day and night he was repeating the name.

“In times of weal or woe serve the elders and be controlled by them.” This is

the law of the virtuous. So the elders say “Give freely reward each rite,

space not your body in the fight”. This is the law eternal followed by the

ancients.

R Ravi Sankar

Lusaka, ZambiaJohn <bharani (AT) onetel (DOT) com> wrote:

Om Namo Bhagavathe Sri RamanaayaDear SirThere is a posting on the main Ramana

Maharshi list, Number 9161, which gives more details on NRK. The can be read

further in "The Power of the Presence" series by David

Godman.anbudanjohnSiva—Siva

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