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Dear Ben , I think that these recent contributions such as yours point to the

understanding of

this "thorn used to remove a thorn ".Thanks for the elucidation .All love,in his

grace, Alan

 

 

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> DATE: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:06:46 -0000

> SUBJECT: Re: [RamanaMaharshi] The significance of seemingly slight changes in

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> Dear Alan, Rob, Michael L.& Michael B, Gabriele and all,

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> I feel I do agree fully with what is being said in this

> thread. All these pointers amount to saying the same thing.

> Atma vichara has to be discovered through intuition,

> understanding and Grace/Intelligence. It is expressed in

> different ways by different persons living in different ages

> in different cultures,climes etc. The most important thing

> is to find out what this I-thought is: the word is not the

> thing. When this is found veritable practice advances and

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> "Ben Hassine" <ben.hassine

> Re: [RamanaMaharshi] The significance of seemingly slight changes in

practice

>

>

> Dear Alan, Rob, Michael L.& Michael B, Gabriele and all,

>

> I feel I do agree fully with what is being said in this thread. All

> these pointers amount to saying the same thing. Atma vichara has to

> be discovered through intuition, understanding and

> Grace/Intelligence. It is expressed in different ways by different

> persons living in different ages in different cultures,climes etc.

> The most important thing is to find out what this I-thought is: the

> word is not the thing. When this is found veritable practice advances

> and confusion is ended. This is point where scriptures and books are

> left behind and the quest will commence.

> Atma vichara, in my view, is a purely intuitive, experiential

> movement within. Atma vichara is a very natural thing to do, there is

> nothing mechanical about it, Atma vichara arises spontaneously when

> the urge to overcome the agony of separation is felt within the

> Heart. Atma vichara is an act of Intelligence and Compassion and is

> truly universal.

> We have to be careful to not narrow it down to some particular jargon

> describing an even more particular technique. This will end in wrong

> views and sectarianism. There is already so much division and

> confusion in this world.

> Simply hold on to the feeling of I AM or I-thought. This is the Guru

> and no confusion need arise here.

>

> Yours,

>

> Ben.

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> atma_vichara, Alan Jacobs

> <alanadamsjacobs> wrote:

> > ---Dear Rob,thank you for your excellent letter which I must

> confess summarises my own feelings

> > on the topic .Diving into the Heart works for me .It seems a case

> of "each one to his

> > indisposition"Warmest regards and every best wish , as ever ,in His

> Grace,Alan

> >

> >

> > Sacks <editor@r...> wrote: > Dear Michael L. and everybody,

> > >

> > > Is it possible that there's only one technique for practicing

> > > self-enquiry?

> > >

> > > Is it possible that it is so difficult to describe the practice in

> > > words, that many different phrases have been used for this

> > > purpose? --

> > >

> > > -- hold the I-thought

> > > -- follow the sense of "I".

> > > -- dive into the heart

> > > -- find out "who is the thinker"

> > > -- place the attention on the attention

> > > -- awareness watching awarenss

> > > -- isolate the subject

> > >

> > > Is it possible, Michael, that "awareness of awareness" isn't

> > > a different technique, but rather, that it's only after you saw

> > > this phrase that you happened to stumble on how to practice

> > > self-enquiry?

> > >

> > > Or maybe, Michael, the phrase only became meaningful

> > > to you after you reached a certain stage where you were

> > > able to glimpse the stage behind the dancers' legs, so to

> > > speak?

> > >

> > > I have to confess that the phrase "awareness watching

> > > awareness" doesn't mean anything to me. I don't know how to

> > > apply this instruction.

> > >

> > > Maybe this is because I'm not far enough long yet in

> > > practice. Or maybe it's because each of us interprets

> > > words differently.

> > >

> > > If someone told me to place my attention on attention,

> > > that seems a little more meaningful, but even with that choice

> > > of words, I soon discover that there really isn't any attention.

> > > The voluntary sense of attention disappears when I try to

> > > catch it. It's like trying to observe how I make my arm move.

> > > There's nothing observable there, really.

> > >

> > > I've often been struck by how many of Bhagavan's instructions

> > > for self-enquiry aren't really instructions. They are more like

> > > comments designed to motivate the seeker to solve a mystery.

> > > "Isn't this an enigma?" asks Bhagavan in effect. "You feel like

> > > you're seeking your identity -- yet surely there's only one of

> you.

> > > How can this be? Find out!" This isn't a technique; it's a

> conundrum.

> > > It's as if Bhagavan believed that if a person became

> > > sufficiently curious about the weirdness of his own sense of self,

> > > the inquiry would happen automatically.

> > >

> > > (My remarks above do not apply to the mechanical procedure

> > > of asking "Who am I?" to return the attention to the enquiry.

> > > That's not enquiry. That's just a sort of tactic used to help a

> > > person return to enquiry.)

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Michael L." <uarelove>

> > > "Ramana Maharshi" <RamanaMaharshi>

> > > Friday, January 09, 2004 8:41 PM

> > > [RamanaMaharshi] The significance of seemingly slight

> changes in practice

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> > >

> > > > One of the most valuable discoveries I made

> > > > was that what might appear to the mind to be

> > > > only a slight change in the method of practice

> > > > produces a huge, extraordinary, quantum leap

> > > > in the speed of the results.

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