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Dear SrI Prem:

 

On our foreheads , the symbol of ThirumaNN

represents the two (sacred ) feet of the Lord and

MahA Lakshmi present in between as SrI ChoorNam.

 

On Lord's (archA Moorthy's) forehead , You will see either

Tilakam or ThirumaNN . Tilakam is for alankAram

(decoration ) for PerumAL .

 

If ThirumaNN is seen on the archA Moorthys , it certainly does not

represent Lord's feet on His own forehead . It represents however

the upward (Urdhva) aspect symbolizing the upper supreme abode of

His (SrI Vaikuntam ) . It is the desirable goal for the bound chEthanams

(Bhaddha Jeevans) . Here at SrI Vaikuntam , He resides as SrIman

NaarAyaNa ( Parama Padha Naathan) with His divine consort ,

MahA Lakshmi (the Yellow or red SrI ChoorNam ). SaasthrAs weigh

however in favor of yellow SrI ChoorNam over the red version .

 

There are a lot of PramANams for the wearing of

Hari Paadha AakAram on one's forehead ( AtharvaNa Vedam ,

Smruthis , PurANams , MahOpanishad , Kada Saakai vachanam/

"dhruthOrdhva PuNDram " ). The adornment of the ThirumaNN

increases our Daasathva Jn~Anam ( we are servitors to the dhivya

dampathis always ). The performance of Japam ,dhyAnam and

Homam performed without adornment of Urdhva PuNDram

will not yield the desired phalans . Such performances will

yield in anarTams. This is backed up by BhOdhAyana ,

PaarAsarya SamhithA , SrI Naaradheeyam et al .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

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"somguy2002" <premmkumar

<Oppiliappan>

Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:32 AM

Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann"

 

 

> Dear Devotees:

>

> Can you please let me know what is the siginificance of Lords

> Thirumann, to be specific I want to know what does it represent and

> is there any text or great alwars literatures which speak about

> this.Why some people use Kasthuri ,some people the Red-tilak and why

> many different ways of the white surrounding.

>

> Thank you,

> Prem

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Dear Swamy,

 

Pls accept adiyen's dendan samarpanum.

 

With this regard, i have another question. The " Manjal srichoornam " is not

available in all places. One swamy hence suggested me to use plain turmeric

powder mixed with a little sandal paste, since plain turmeric does not stay on

the forehead for long. Is it right for SriVaishnavas to use this combination ?

 

Adiyen,

Ramanuja Dasan

 

 

Sadagopan [sgopan]

Friday, June 11, 2004 3:21 AM

Oppiliappan

Cc: Sgt; RC

Re: Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann": Why ?

 

 

Dear SrI Prem:

 

On our foreheads , the symbol of ThirumaNN

represents the two (sacred ) feet of the Lord and

MahA Lakshmi present in between as SrI ChoorNam.

 

On Lord's (archA Moorthy's) forehead , You will see either

Tilakam or ThirumaNN . Tilakam is for alankAram

(decoration ) for PerumAL .

 

If ThirumaNN is seen on the archA Moorthys , it certainly does not

represent Lord's feet on His own forehead . It represents however

the upward (Urdhva) aspect symbolizing the upper supreme abode of

His (SrI Vaikuntam ) . It is the desirable goal for the bound chEthanams

(Bhaddha Jeevans) . Here at SrI Vaikuntam , He resides as SrIman

NaarAyaNa ( Parama Padha Naathan) with His divine consort ,

MahA Lakshmi (the Yellow or red SrI ChoorNam ). SaasthrAs weigh

however in favor of yellow SrI ChoorNam over the red version .

 

There are a lot of PramANams for the wearing of

Hari Paadha AakAram on one's forehead ( AtharvaNa Vedam ,

Smruthis , PurANams , MahOpanishad , Kada Saakai vachanam/

"dhruthOrdhva PuNDram " ). The adornment of the ThirumaNN

increases our Daasathva Jn~Anam ( we are servitors to the dhivya

dampathis always ). The performance of Japam ,dhyAnam and

Homam performed without adornment of Urdhva PuNDram

will not yield the desired phalans . Such performances will

yield in anarTams. This is backed up by BhOdhAyana ,

PaarAsarya SamhithA , SrI Naaradheeyam et al .

 

V.Sadagopan

 

-

"somguy2002" <premmkumar

<Oppiliappan>

Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:32 AM

Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann"

 

 

> Dear Devotees:

>

> Can you please let me know what is the siginificance of Lords

> Thirumann, to be specific I want to know what does it represent and

> is there any text or great alwars literatures which speak about

> this.Why some people use Kasthuri ,some people the Red-tilak and why

> many different ways of the white surrounding.

>

> Thank you,

> Prem

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaskaram,

Here is a website regarding TiruMaNN written by Sri Sadagopan mama

http://malolan.org/trk35.htm

 

 

Also there are lot of articles written by Sri Sadagopan mam why lord

wears ThiruMaNN and how it represents protection by Lord those who

wear it etc in bhakti archives 1995, 1998 etc.

 

Please search in google etc to find these useful articles.

 

shashi

 

Oppiliappan, Sadagopan <sgopan@c...> wrote:

> Dear SrI Prem:

>

> On our foreheads , the symbol of ThirumaNN

> represents the two (sacred ) feet of the Lord and

> MahA Lakshmi present in between as SrI ChoorNam.

>

> On Lord's (archA Moorthy's) forehead , You will see either

> Tilakam or ThirumaNN . Tilakam is for alankAram

> (decoration ) for PerumAL .

>

> If ThirumaNN is seen on the archA Moorthys , it certainly does not

> represent Lord's feet on His own forehead . It represents however

> the upward (Urdhva) aspect symbolizing the upper supreme abode of

> His (SrI Vaikuntam ) . It is the desirable goal for the bound

chEthanams

> (Bhaddha Jeevans) . Here at SrI Vaikuntam , He resides as SrIman

> NaarAyaNa ( Parama Padha Naathan) with His divine consort ,

> MahA Lakshmi (the Yellow or red SrI ChoorNam ). SaasthrAs weigh

> however in favor of yellow SrI ChoorNam over the red version .

>

> There are a lot of PramANams for the wearing of

> Hari Paadha AakAram on one's forehead ( AtharvaNa Vedam ,

> Smruthis , PurANams , MahOpanishad , Kada Saakai vachanam/

> "dhruthOrdhva PuNDram " ). The adornment of the ThirumaNN

> increases our Daasathva Jn~Anam ( we are servitors to the dhivya

> dampathis always ). The performance of Japam ,dhyAnam and

> Homam performed without adornment of Urdhva PuNDram

> will not yield the desired phalans . Such performances will

> yield in anarTams. This is backed up by BhOdhAyana ,

> PaarAsarya SamhithA , SrI Naaradheeyam et al .

>

> V.Sadagopan

>

> -

> "somguy2002" <premmkumar@h...>

> <Oppiliappan>

> Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:32 AM

> Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann"

>

>

> > Dear Devotees:

> >

> > Can you please let me know what is the siginificance of Lords

> > Thirumann, to be specific I want to know what does it represent

and

> > is there any text or great alwars literatures which speak about

> > this.Why some people use Kasthuri ,some people the Red-tilak and

why

> > many different ways of the white surrounding.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Prem

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Dear Devotee:

 

The red SrI ChoorNam is made by mixing

crushed dried Manjal with lime .

 

I am not sure how ManjaL Sri ChoorNam

is made . It must have a neutral binder to make it

stick.

 

The RanganAtha Temple at Pomona , NY can

help you temporary supply until some one from

India can help you secure the supply from

Melkote or ThiruvallikkENi .

 

The addition of small amount of Sandal paste

to help bind the Turmeric powder is a clever idea .

You can use red SrI ChoorNam until you get

authentic Yellow SrI ChoorNam form one of

the above sources.

 

Best Wishes ,

V.Sadagopan

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"M Rajesh-A18107" <rajeshm

<Oppiliappan>

Friday, June 11, 2004 2:26 AM

RE: Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann": Why ?

 

 

> Dear Swamy,

 

> With this regard, i have another question. The " Manjal srichoornam " is

not available in all places. One swamy hence suggested me to use plain

turmeric powder mixed with a little sandal paste, since plain turmeric does

not stay on the forehead for long. Is it right for SriVaishnavas to use this

combination ?

>

> Adiyen,

> Ramanuja Dasan

>

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Greetings:

 

Thank you for the message, It explains reason for the day to day

ritual people do.I would be really glad if you can specify me any

literature which speaks about Supreme Lord's ThirumaNN.I read some

parts of Sri Srinivasa Puranam where it speaks about the campher on

Lord's chin,likewise any literature which talks about his ThirumaNN.

 

Thank you,

Prem

-

Sadagopan

Oppiliappan

Cc: Sgt ; RC

Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:50 PM

Re: Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann": Why ?

Dear SrI Prem:On our foreheads , the symbol of ThirumaNNrepresents the

two (sacred ) feet of the Lord and MahA Lakshmi present in between as

SrI ChoorNam.On Lord's (archA Moorthy's) forehead , You will see

either Tilakam or ThirumaNN . Tilakam is for alankAram(decoration )

for PerumAL . If ThirumaNN is seen on the archA Moorthys , it

certainly does notrepresent Lord's feet on His own forehead . It

represents however the upward (Urdhva) aspect symbolizing the upper

supreme abode of His (SrI Vaikuntam ) . It is the desirable goal for

the bound chEthanams (Bhaddha Jeevans) . Here at SrI Vaikuntam , He

resides as SrIman NaarAyaNa ( Parama Padha Naathan) with His divine

consort , MahA Lakshmi (the Yellow or red SrI ChoorNam ). SaasthrAs

weigh however in favor of yellow SrI ChoorNam over the red version

..There are a lot of PramANams for the wearing of Hari Paadha AakAram

on one's forehead ( AtharvaNa Vedam ,Smruthis , PurANams ,

MahOpanishad , Kada Saakai vachanam/"dhruthOrdhva PuNDram " ). The

adornment of the ThirumaNN increases our Daasathva Jn~Anam ( we are

servitors to the dhivya dampathis always ). The performance of Japam

,dhyAnam andHomam performed without adornment of Urdhva PuNDram will

not yield the desired phalans . Such performances will yield in

anarTams. This is backed up by BhOdhAyana ,PaarAsarya SamhithA , SrI

Naaradheeyam et al . V.Sadagopan -

"somguy2002" <premmkumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>To:

<Oppiliappan>Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:32

AM Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann"> Dear

Devotees:> > Can you please let me know what is the siginificance of

Lords > Thirumann, to be specific I want to know what does it

represent and > is there any text or great alwars literatures which

speak about > this.Why some people use Kasthuri ,some people the

Red-tilak and why > many different ways of the white surrounding.> >

Thank you,> Prem

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Namaskaram Prem,

 

You cna find a lot of articles on ThirumaN that Sadagopan mama

wrote in bhakti discussion groups that are archived(1995 etc). You

can seach them from google.

 

Also there is a article on thirmaN in detail at

malolan.org/trk35.htm that mama wrote as a part of Rathnangi

kaimkaryam.

 

 

Please persuse them and they would answer in details the question you

have.

 

shashi

 

Oppiliappan, "Prem Mahendran"

<premmkumar@h...> wrote:

> Greetings:

>

> Thank you for the message, It explains reason for the day to day

ritual people do.I would be really glad if you can specify me any

literature which speaks about Supreme Lord's ThirumaNN.I read some

parts of Sri Srinivasa Puranam where it speaks about the campher on

Lord's chin,likewise any literature which talks about his ThirumaNN.

>

> Thank you,

> Prem

> -

> Sadagopan

> Oppiliappan

> Cc: Sgt ; RC

> Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:50 PM

> Re: Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann": Why ?

>

>

> Dear SrI Prem:

>

> On our foreheads , the symbol of ThirumaNN

> represents the two (sacred ) feet of the Lord and

> MahA Lakshmi present in between as SrI ChoorNam.

>

> On Lord's (archA Moorthy's) forehead , You will see either

> Tilakam or ThirumaNN . Tilakam is for alankAram

> (decoration ) for PerumAL .

>

> If ThirumaNN is seen on the archA Moorthys , it certainly does not

> represent Lord's feet on His own forehead . It represents however

> the upward (Urdhva) aspect symbolizing the upper supreme abode

of

> His (SrI Vaikuntam ) . It is the desirable goal for the bound

chEthanams

> (Bhaddha Jeevans) . Here at SrI Vaikuntam , He resides as

SrIman

> NaarAyaNa ( Parama Padha Naathan) with His divine consort ,

> MahA Lakshmi (the Yellow or red SrI ChoorNam ). SaasthrAs weigh

> however in favor of yellow SrI ChoorNam over the red version .

>

> There are a lot of PramANams for the wearing of

> Hari Paadha AakAram on one's forehead ( AtharvaNa Vedam ,

> Smruthis , PurANams , MahOpanishad , Kada Saakai vachanam/

> "dhruthOrdhva PuNDram " ). The adornment of the ThirumaNN

> increases our Daasathva Jn~Anam ( we are servitors to the dhivya

> dampathis always ). The performance of Japam ,dhyAnam and

> Homam performed without adornment of Urdhva PuNDram

> will not yield the desired phalans . Such performances will

> yield in anarTams. This is backed up by BhOdhAyana ,

> PaarAsarya SamhithA , SrI Naaradheeyam et al .

>

> V.Sadagopan

>

> -

> "somguy2002" <premmkumar@h...>

> <Oppiliappan>

> Saturday, June 05, 2004 1:32 AM

> Perumal's Symbol "Thirumann"

>

>

> > Dear Devotees:

> >

> > Can you please let me know what is the siginificance of Lords

> > Thirumann, to be specific I want to know what does it represent

and

> > is there any text or great alwars literatures which speak about

> > this.Why some people use Kasthuri ,some people the Red-tilak

and why

> > many different ways of the white surrounding.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Prem

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