Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 devotees of Sri Ramana Maharshi are invited to: -share experiences - bring their life , their struggle , their grandmother's stories , their feelings on : MillionPaths/ Daily Ramana Maharshi postings from his life and his teaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear All, as you all have been witnessing the confusing exchange between Vicki and me on Sunday and also in the past I want today say a clearifying word to all that. Meanwhile Vicki and I have talked about the matter in a silent way - and I have come to some understanding for the reason of her reaction, and the reason turned out to be not such a wrong and unjustified one. So I have learned for myself and - as much confusing it may have been appearing - it was not at all such a bad thing. Between us now all is clear and fine and things are settled. This I want to let all here know. Vicki is no more a member of this list, but her own list Million Paths (see invitation below) is one of the best Ramana-lists and will surely develop nicely. In Sri Ramana Gabriele - THE "SELF" RAMANA Friday, November 29, 2002 9:23 AM [RamanaMaharshi] A MillionPaths Invite devotees of Sri Ramana Maharshi are invited to: -share experiences - bring their life , their struggle , their grandmother's stories , their feelings on : MillionPaths/ Daily Ramana Maharshi postings from his life and his teaching. Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Gabriele, The best way that I know to use such 'ego storms' (ours or others) is by turning them into inquiry. If I react to another, then this certainly shows a misidentification of the ego-I. If I react and move out of a satvic state, then clearly I think that something 'outside' is where I am going to find my happiness or well- being. So when I imagine that this is somehow being threatened, I react. Lots of material for inquiry. Your spiritual well-being is more important than any upset, of another's or of your own. As we learn to turn these kinds of situations into food for our practice we see that even those whom we so react are serving us spiritually. This becomes yet another chance to deepen our inquiry. Who are you? Is there anything in you that seems separate (or individualized or particular) from Brahman? If so, you have created two selves. How many selves do you have? Your presence in this and other groups is valued by many. Thank you. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear All, > as you all have been witnessing the confusing exchange between Vicki and me > on Sunday and also in the past I want today say a clearifying word to all that. > Meanwhile Vicki and I have talked about the matter in a silent way - > and I have come to some understanding for the reason of her reaction, > and the reason turned out to be not such a wrong and unjustified one. > So I have learned for myself and - as much confusing it may have been appearing - > it was not at all such a bad thing. Between us now all is clear and fine and things are settled. > This I want to let all here know. > Vicki is no more a member of this list, but her own list Million Paths (see invitation below) is one of the > best Ramana-lists and will surely develop nicely. > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > > > - > THE "SELF" > RAMANA > Friday, November 29, 2002 9:23 AM > [RamanaMaharshi] A MillionPaths Invite > > > > devotees of Sri Ramana Maharshi are invited to: > -share experiences > - bring their life , their struggle , their grandmother's stories , their feelings on : > > MillionPaths/ > > Daily Ramana Maharshi postings from his life and his teaching. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Richard, I always enjoy your replies. Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation indeed gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were of such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in the cause. I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out the "why". In Sri Ramana Gabriele > The best way that I know to use such 'ego storms' (ours or others) is > by turning them into inquiry. If I react to another, then this > certainly shows a misidentification of the ego-I. > > If I react and move out of a satvic state, then clearly I think that > something 'outside' is where I am going to find my happiness or well- > being. So when I imagine that this is somehow being threatened, I > react. > > Lots of material for inquiry. > > Your spiritual well-being is more important than any upset, of > another's or of your own. As we learn to turn these kinds of > situations into food for our practice we see that even those whom we > so react are serving us spiritually. This becomes yet another chance > to deepen our inquiry. Who are you? Is there anything in you that > seems separate (or individualized or particular) from Brahman? If so, > you have created two selves. How many selves do you have? > > Your presence in this and other groups is valued by many. Thank you. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > as you all have been witnessing the confusing exchange between > Vicki and me > > on Sunday and also in the past I want today say a clearifying word > to all that. > > Meanwhile Vicki and I have talked about the matter in a silent way - > > > and I have come to some understanding for the reason of her > reaction, > > and the reason turned out to be not such a wrong and unjustified > one. > > So I have learned for myself and - as much confusing it may have > been appearing - > > it was not at all such a bad thing. Between us now all is clear and > fine and things are settled. > > This I want to let all here know. > > Vicki is no more a member of this list, but her own list Million > Paths (see invitation below) is one of the > > best Ramana-lists and will surely develop nicely. > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > - > > THE "SELF" > > RAMANA > > Friday, November 29, 2002 9:23 AM > > [RamanaMaharshi] A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > > > devotees of Sri Ramana Maharshi are invited to: > > -share experiences > > - bring their life , their struggle , their grandmother's > stories , their feelings on : > > > > MillionPaths/ > > > > Daily Ramana Maharshi postings from his life and his > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Gabriele, There are many ways to approach life. To know the `why' can do two different things: It can `appease' the ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can avoid these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with insight as to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the `why' for the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and resolving a misidentification can bring freedom from this misidentification altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is my own ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, comes entirely from what and how I have identified myself with regard to the situation. This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use this grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing why, since this is the way of lasting peace. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Richard, > > I always enjoy your replies. > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation indeed > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were of > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in the > cause. > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out > the "why". > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > > > The best way that I know to use such 'ego storms' (ours or others) > is > > by turning them into inquiry. If I react to another, then this > > certainly shows a misidentification of the ego-I. > > > > If I react and move out of a satvic state, then clearly I think > that > > something 'outside' is where I am going to find my happiness or > well- > > being. So when I imagine that this is somehow being threatened, I > > react. > > > > Lots of material for inquiry. > > > > Your spiritual well-being is more important than any upset, of > > another's or of your own. As we learn to turn these kinds of > > situations into food for our practice we see that even those whom > we > > so react are serving us spiritually. This becomes yet another > chance > > to deepen our inquiry. Who are you? Is there anything in you that > > seems separate (or individualized or particular) from Brahman? If > so, > > you have created two selves. How many selves do you have? > > > > Your presence in this and other groups is valued by many. Thank > you. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > as you all have been witnessing the confusing exchange between > > Vicki and me > > > on Sunday and also in the past I want today say a clearifying > word > > to all that. > > > Meanwhile Vicki and I have talked about the matter in a silent > way - > > > > > and I have come to some understanding for the reason of her > > reaction, > > > and the reason turned out to be not such a wrong and unjustified > > one. > > > So I have learned for myself and - as much confusing it may have > > been appearing - > > > it was not at all such a bad thing. Between us now all is clear > and > > fine and things are settled. > > > This I want to let all here know. > > > Vicki is no more a member of this list, but her own list Million > > Paths (see invitation below) is one of the > > > best Ramana-lists and will surely develop nicely. > > > > > > In Sri Ramana > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > THE "SELF" > > > RAMANA > > > Friday, November 29, 2002 9:23 AM > > > [RamanaMaharshi] A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > > > > > > > devotees of Sri Ramana Maharshi are invited to: > > > -share experiences > > > - bring their life , their struggle , their grandmother's > > stories , their feelings on : > > > > > > MillionPaths/ > > > > > > Daily Ramana Maharshi postings from his life and his > > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Richard, The "why" is an important question which is necessary for dealing with daily life 's situation properly. Otherwise no things will be settled, no misunderstandings corrected, nothing will be done. So it has a practical importance - according to situations. When vichara is the basis of it then only it can really be asked correctly and honestly - otherwise there is a danger that it will be asked out of self-interest to proove oneself and to interpret the answers which will arise from it accordingly and cause more reactions. If vichara is the basis result will be peace. One sees it from the fruits it brings - which is understanding. So vichara is always a good basis - for everything, also for the question "why?" In Sri Ramana Gabriele - Richard Clarke RamanaMaharshi Friday, November 29, 2002 10:18 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite Dear Gabriele, There are many ways to approach life. To know the `why' can do two different things: It can `appease' the ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can avoid these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with insight as to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the `why' for the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and resolving a misidentification can bring freedom from this misidentification altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is my own ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, comes entirely from what and how I have identified myself with regard to the situation. This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use this grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing why, since this is the way of lasting peace. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Richard, > > I always enjoy your replies. > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation indeed > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were of > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in the > cause. > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out > the "why". > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > > > The best way that I know to use such 'ego storms' (ours or others) > is > > by turning them into inquiry. If I react to another, then this > > certainly shows a misidentification of the ego-I. > > > > If I react and move out of a satvic state, then clearly I think > that > > something 'outside' is where I am going to find my happiness or > well- > > being. So when I imagine that this is somehow being threatened, I > > react. > > > > Lots of material for inquiry. > > > > Your spiritual well-being is more important than any upset, of > > another's or of your own. As we learn to turn these kinds of > > situations into food for our practice we see that even those whom > we > > so react are serving us spiritually. This becomes yet another > chance > > to deepen our inquiry. Who are you? Is there anything in you that > > seems separate (or individualized or particular) from Brahman? If > so, > > you have created two selves. How many selves do you have? > > > > Your presence in this and other groups is valued by many. Thank > you. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > as you all have been witnessing the confusing exchange between > > Vicki and me > > > on Sunday and also in the past I want today say a clearifying > word > > to all that. > > > Meanwhile Vicki and I have talked about the matter in a silent > way - > > > > > and I have come to some understanding for the reason of her > > reaction, > > > and the reason turned out to be not such a wrong and unjustified > > one. > > > So I have learned for myself and - as much confusing it may have > > been appearing - > > > it was not at all such a bad thing. Between us now all is clear > and > > fine and things are settled. > > > This I want to let all here know. > > > Vicki is no more a member of this list, but her own list Million > > Paths (see invitation below) is one of the > > > best Ramana-lists and will surely develop nicely. > > > > > > In Sri Ramana > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > THE "SELF" > > > RAMANA > > > Friday, November 29, 2002 9:23 AM > > > [RamanaMaharshi] A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > > > > > > > devotees of Sri Ramana Maharshi are invited to: > > > -share experiences > > > - bring their life , their struggle , their grandmother's > > stories , their feelings on : > > > > > > MillionPaths/ > > > > > > Daily Ramana Maharshi postings from his life and his > > teaching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Gabriele, Certainly I understand what you say about 'why', and from the standpoint of a person existing in daily life you are surely correct. I don't mean to be a pest, but is that (a person existing in daily life) who you are? >From another point of view, "Why did the rope turn into a snake?" ... ... (Answer: It never did, the snake was an illusion all along and never existed even for one moment.) Nome keeps those who some to him at SAT turned inward as much as we are able, and I want to remind you of the opportunity. As Miles posted, Ramana says the time for inquiry is 'anytime, anywhere'. I think this means 'this time, this place.' I will be quiet on this for now. Again, don't want to be a pest. I hope only to serve the highest good, Self-Knowledge and Self- realization. Thank you for your tolerance. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear Richard, > The "why" is an important question which is necessary for dealing with daily life 's > situation properly. Otherwise no things will be settled, no misunderstandings > corrected, nothing will be done. So it has a practical importance - according to situations. When vichara > is the basis of it then only it can really be asked correctly and honestly - > otherwise there is a danger that it will be asked out of self- interest to proove oneself > and to interpret the answers which will arise from it accordingly and cause more > reactions. If vichara is the basis result will be peace. One sees it from the fruits > it brings - which is understanding. > So vichara is always a good basis - for everything, also for the question "why?" > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > > > - > Richard Clarke > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:18 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > Dear Gabriele, > > There are many ways to approach life. > > To know the `why' can do two different things: It can `appease' the > ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can avoid > these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with insight as > to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the `why' for > the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and resolving > a misidentification can bring freedom from this misidentification > altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. > > I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is my own > ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, comes > entirely from what and how I have identified myself with regard to > the situation. > > This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use this > grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing why, since > this is the way of lasting peace. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > I always enjoy your replies. > > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation indeed > > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were of > > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in the > > cause. > > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out > > the "why". > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 That seems to become endlessly - LOL I can't see any problem and also no excuding. Perhaps I am stupid. Meanwhile I believe. Self-inquiry seems to be a very "dusty" thing. LOL Hope you take this comment with some humour, Richard. Are you laughing sometimes? Is Nome laughing? This question now you must answer. In Sri Ramana Gabriele - Richard Clarke RamanaMaharshi Friday, November 29, 2002 10:59 PM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite Dear Gabriele, Certainly I understand what you say about 'why', and from the standpoint of a person existing in daily life you are surely correct. I don't mean to be a pest, but is that (a person existing in daily life) who you are? From another point of view, "Why did the rope turn into a snake?" ... ... (Answer: It never did, the snake was an illusion all along and never existed even for one moment.) Nome keeps those who some to him at SAT turned inward as much as we are able, and I want to remind you of the opportunity. As Miles posted, Ramana says the time for inquiry is 'anytime, anywhere'. I think this means 'this time, this place.' I will be quiet on this for now. Again, don't want to be a pest. I hope only to serve the highest good, Self-Knowledge and Self- realization. Thank you for your tolerance. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear Richard, > The "why" is an important question which is necessary for dealing with daily life 's > situation properly. Otherwise no things will be settled, no misunderstandings > corrected, nothing will be done. So it has a practical importance - according to situations. When vichara > is the basis of it then only it can really be asked correctly and honestly - > otherwise there is a danger that it will be asked out of self- interest to proove oneself > and to interpret the answers which will arise from it accordingly and cause more > reactions. If vichara is the basis result will be peace. One sees it from the fruits > it brings - which is understanding. > So vichara is always a good basis - for everything, also for the question "why?" > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > > > - > Richard Clarke > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:18 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > Dear Gabriele, > > There are many ways to approach life. > > To know the `why' can do two different things: It can `appease' the > ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can avoid > these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with insight as > to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the `why' for > the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and resolving > a misidentification can bring freedom from this misidentification > altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. > > I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is my own > ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, comes > entirely from what and how I have identified myself with regard to > the situation. > > This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use this > grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing why, since > this is the way of lasting peace. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > I always enjoy your replies. > > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation indeed > > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were of > > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in the > > cause. > > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out > > the "why". > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Gabriele, Yes, Nome is laughing. Yes Richard is laughing. Laughter occurs at most satsangs. Laughter occurs every day. Laughing at all the dust (there is SO MUCH of it!). Ha Ha Ha. Laughing at the fact that there is not place for the dust to settle. Ha Ha Ha (thank you Hui-Neng) And Self-realizaiton is most serious. Ha Ha Ha We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > That seems to become endlessly - LOL > I can't see any problem and also no excuding. Perhaps I am stupid. Meanwhile I believe. > Self-inquiry seems to be a very "dusty" thing. LOL > > Hope you take this comment with some humour, Richard. > Are you laughing sometimes? Is Nome laughing? > This question now you must answer. > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > - > Richard Clarke > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:59 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > Dear Gabriele, > > Certainly I understand what you say about 'why', and from the > standpoint of a person existing in daily life you are surely correct. > > I don't mean to be a pest, but is that (a person existing in daily > life) who you are? > > > From another point of view, > > "Why did the rope turn into a snake?" > > ... > > ... > > (Answer: It never did, the snake was an illusion all along and never > existed even for one moment.) > > Nome keeps those who some to him at SAT turned inward as much as we > are able, and I want to remind you of the opportunity. As Miles > posted, Ramana says the time for inquiry is 'anytime, anywhere'. I > think this means 'this time, this place.' > > I will be quiet on this for now. Again, don't want to be a pest. I > hope only to serve the highest good, Self-Knowledge and Self- > realization. Thank you for your tolerance. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > Dear Richard, > > The "why" is an important question which is necessary for dealing > with daily life 's > > situation properly. Otherwise no things will be settled, no > misunderstandings > > corrected, nothing will be done. So it has a practical importance - > according to situations. When vichara > > is the basis of it then only it can really be asked correctly and > honestly - > > otherwise there is a danger that it will be asked out of self- > interest to proove oneself > > and to interpret the answers which will arise from it accordingly > and cause more > > reactions. If vichara is the basis result will be peace. One sees > it from the fruits > > it brings - which is understanding. > > So vichara is always a good basis - for everything, also for the > question "why?" > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > - > > Richard Clarke > > RamanaMaharshi > > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:18 PM > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > Dear Gabriele, > > > > There are many ways to approach life. > > > > To know the `why' can do two different things: It can `appease' > the > > ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can avoid > > these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with insight > as > > to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the `why' > for > > the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and > resolving > > a misidentification can bring freedom from this misidentification > > altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. > > > > I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is my > own > > ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, comes > > entirely from what and how I have identified myself with regard > to > > the situation. > > > > This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use > this > > grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing why, > since > > this is the way of lasting peace. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > > > I always enjoy your replies. > > > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation > indeed > > > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > > > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were > of > > > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in > the > > > cause. > > > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > > > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out > > > the "why". > > > > > > In Sri Ramana > > > Gabriele > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Richard, that's good to hear - so let's laugh! There is another question - I am a little bit malicious tonight. What would you do without your teacher? What would you do without their teaching? In Sri Ramana Gabriele - Richard Clarke RamanaMaharshi Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:13 AM [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite Dear Gabriele, Yes, Nome is laughing. Yes Richard is laughing. Laughter occurs at most satsangs. Laughter occurs every day. Laughing at all the dust (there is SO MUCH of it!). Ha Ha Ha. Laughing at the fact that there is not place for the dust to settle. Ha Ha Ha (thank you Hui-Neng) And Self-realizaiton is most serious. Ha Ha Ha We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > That seems to become endlessly - LOL > I can't see any problem and also no excuding. Perhaps I am stupid. Meanwhile I believe. > Self-inquiry seems to be a very "dusty" thing. LOL > > Hope you take this comment with some humour, Richard. > Are you laughing sometimes? Is Nome laughing? > This question now you must answer. > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > - > Richard Clarke > RamanaMaharshi > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:59 PM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > Dear Gabriele, > > Certainly I understand what you say about 'why', and from the > standpoint of a person existing in daily life you are surely correct. > > I don't mean to be a pest, but is that (a person existing in daily > life) who you are? > > > From another point of view, > > "Why did the rope turn into a snake?" > > ... > > ... > > (Answer: It never did, the snake was an illusion all along and never > existed even for one moment.) > > Nome keeps those who some to him at SAT turned inward as much as we > are able, and I want to remind you of the opportunity. As Miles > posted, Ramana says the time for inquiry is 'anytime, anywhere'. I > think this means 'this time, this place.' > > I will be quiet on this for now. Again, don't want to be a pest. I > hope only to serve the highest good, Self-Knowledge and Self- > realization. Thank you for your tolerance. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > Dear Richard, > > The "why" is an important question which is necessary for dealing > with daily life 's > > situation properly. Otherwise no things will be settled, no > misunderstandings > > corrected, nothing will be done. So it has a practical importance - > according to situations. When vichara > > is the basis of it then only it can really be asked correctly and > honestly - > > otherwise there is a danger that it will be asked out of self- > interest to proove oneself > > and to interpret the answers which will arise from it accordingly > and cause more > > reactions. If vichara is the basis result will be peace. One sees > it from the fruits > > it brings - which is understanding. > > So vichara is always a good basis - for everything, also for the > question "why?" > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > - > > Richard Clarke > > RamanaMaharshi > > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:18 PM > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > Dear Gabriele, > > > > There are many ways to approach life. > > > > To know the `why' can do two different things: It can `appease' > the > > ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can avoid > > these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with insight > as > > to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the `why' > for > > the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and > resolving > > a misidentification can bring freedom from this misidentification > > altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. > > > > I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is my > own > > ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, comes > > entirely from what and how I have identified myself with regard > to > > the situation. > > > > This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use > this > > grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing why, > since > > this is the way of lasting peace. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > > > I always enjoy your replies. > > > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation > indeed > > > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > > > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves were > of > > > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested in > the > > > cause. > > > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > > > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find out > > > the "why". > > > > > > In Sri Ramana > > > Gabriele > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Sponsor Post message: RamanaMaharshi Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi- Un: RamanaMaharshi- List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/RamanaMaharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Gabriele, It is an interesting question. Thank you! Now, if that question were asked, I have a stong enough practice and strong enough bhava that I belive it would be natural to keep practicing. If it were that I had never met my teacher, I may have never been exposed to or drawn to the teaching of Ramana nor self-inquiry. So I do not know. Deeper that this? Without the ever having the teaching, I would have continued the approach in life I had previously, where the ego-I rules (as 'softened' by the ongoing mindfulness and zen/ch'an reading and contemplation that I was doing. I am getting older, with parents facing decline and death, so soom after them, so will I. Without this teaching, I would be looking now at what I am to lose over the next twenty years, and I think I would be much more agitated and fearful at the prospect. How about you? Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear Richard, > that's good to hear - so let's laugh! > > There is another question - I am a little bit malicious tonight. > > What would you do without your teacher? > What would you do without their teaching? > > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > - > Richard Clarke > RamanaMaharshi > Saturday, November 30, 2002 12:13 AM > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > Dear Gabriele, > > Yes, Nome is laughing. Yes Richard is laughing. Laughter occurs at > most satsangs. Laughter occurs every day. > > Laughing at all the dust (there is SO MUCH of it!). Ha Ha Ha. > Laughing at the fact that there is not place for the dust to settle. > Ha Ha Ha (thank you Hui-Neng) > > And Self-realizaiton is most serious. Ha Ha Ha > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > That seems to become endlessly - LOL > > I can't see any problem and also no excuding. Perhaps I am stupid. > Meanwhile I believe. > > Self-inquiry seems to be a very "dusty" thing. LOL > > > > Hope you take this comment with some humour, Richard. > > Are you laughing sometimes? Is Nome laughing? > > This question now you must answer. > > > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > - > > Richard Clarke > > RamanaMaharshi > > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:59 PM > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > Dear Gabriele, > > > > Certainly I understand what you say about 'why', and from the > > standpoint of a person existing in daily life you are surely > correct. > > > > I don't mean to be a pest, but is that (a person existing in > daily > > life) who you are? > > > > > > From another point of view, > > > > "Why did the rope turn into a snake?" > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > (Answer: It never did, the snake was an illusion all along and > never > > existed even for one moment.) > > > > Nome keeps those who some to him at SAT turned inward as much as > we > > are able, and I want to remind you of the opportunity. As Miles > > posted, Ramana says the time for inquiry is 'anytime, anywhere'. > I > > think this means 'this time, this place.' > > > > I will be quiet on this for now. Again, don't want to be a pest. > I > > hope only to serve the highest good, Self-Knowledge and Self- > > realization. Thank you for your tolerance. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Gabriele Ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > > Dear Richard, > > > The "why" is an important question which is necessary for > dealing > > with daily life 's > > > situation properly. Otherwise no things will be settled, no > > misunderstandings > > > corrected, nothing will be done. So it has a practical > importance - > > according to situations. When vichara > > > is the basis of it then only it can really be asked correctly > and > > honestly - > > > otherwise there is a danger that it will be asked out of self- > > interest to proove oneself > > > and to interpret the answers which will arise from it > accordingly > > and cause more > > > reactions. If vichara is the basis result will be peace. One > sees > > it from the fruits > > > it brings - which is understanding. > > > So vichara is always a good basis - for everything, also for > the > > question "why?" > > > > > > In Sri Ramana > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Richard Clarke > > > RamanaMaharshi > > > Friday, November 29, 2002 10:18 PM > > > [RamanaMaharshi] Re: A MillionPaths Invite > > > > > > > > > Dear Gabriele, > > > > > > There are many ways to approach life. > > > > > > To know the `why' can do two different things: It can > `appease' > > the > > > ego, which wants to know the pattern of an upset, so it can > avoid > > > these in the future. It can also provide the seeker with > insight > > as > > > to where and how they are misidentifying. .Answering the > `why' > > for > > > the ego can make it be quiet for a while. Understanding and > > resolving > > > a misidentification can bring freedom from this > misidentification > > > altogether. This is the greatest good for the seeker. > > > > > > I have to admit also wanting to know `why.' Often the why is > my > > own > > > ignorance or stupidity. The `why' of my reaction, though, > comes > > > entirely from what and how I have identified myself with > regard > > to > > > the situation. > > > > > > This is my only point: Some say that all is grace. We can use > > this > > > grace to help us deepen, that is even better than knowing > why, > > since > > > this is the way of lasting peace. > > > > > > We are Not two, > > > Richard > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Richard, > > > > > > > > I always enjoy your replies. > > > > Nevertheless - as much materieal for inquiry this situation > > indeed > > > > gave - I must confess I wanted to find out the reason also, > > > > the "why", not only the "who". Not reactions in themselves > were > > of > > > > such interest, but the cause, yes I was indeed interested > in > > the > > > > cause. > > > > I wonder if that is so excluding? Is it? > > > > If it is - it nevertheless was very revealing also to find > out > > > > the "why". > > > > > > > > In Sri Ramana > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > Terms of Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Dear Richard, > How about you? It is strange thing with teachers and disciples. There is some danger to become clinged to this roles, to make them a model. Guidance is always there, that's for sure. There is never a lack of guidance. In Sri Ramana Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Dear Gabriele, I understand your comment. Thank you. Two things: I have seen my own practice with and without a teacher. Without a teacher, basically my ego ran my practice. With a (good) teacher, this is not the case. Also, in the case of Nome, his teaching is always that we need to look within and verify everything for our selves. He teaches us to drive our minds within to inquire as to the source of our own existence, and to discriminate what is continually true and what is just passing, temporary, personal and bounded. I have seen and heard of teachers where the teaching is more about the teacher than the teaching. This is probably not the kind of teacher that I would recommend. Self-Realization comes from our own Self-knowledge. Obviously this is something that we must find for ourselves. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear Richard, > > > > How about you? > > It is strange thing with teachers and disciples. There is some danger > to become clinged to this roles, to make them a model. Guidance is > always there, that's for sure. There is never a lack of guidance. > > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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