Self-Realization Question to Harsha

November 4, 2002

---Very good!. Question,: so what's your attitude toward physical

suffering, for example, would you be indifferent to (a) having good

health or (b) having excruciating pain in bone cancer. In other

words, what does Self-Realization have to do with physical suffering,

if anything? Which? 1. you are totally free from it and therefore

would be indifferent between (say) having some killer bees attack

your face, or not having that occur 2. you are somewhat free from

physical pains or 3. experience physical pains like everybody else

and take reasonable measures to avoid pain. Thanks for your help.

Matrix Monitor. PS: By "you" I'm of course talking about

Consciousness as "the" body; i.e. the entity called "Harsha", who

payes rent, pisses when your bladder is full, burps on occasion, etc.

(I've heard enough of the phoney argument that: a. since "you" is the

Self, and you've realized the Self, there's no suffering. Nonsense!.

This is false anyway. The you is the Self "as" a body. (I'm

mentioning this in anticipation of your attempting to evade answering

the question).

In RamanaMaharshi, Harsha <harshaimtm> wrote:

> Although much is written about Enlightenment and

> mystical experiences and so forth, Self-Realization is

> actually a simple thing.

>

> As T.S. Eliot has said, and I paraphrase, we come back

> to where we started and see it as if for the first

> time. It is actually even more basic....It is a place,

> when we recognize it, we see that we never even left

> it, nor can we leave it to go elsewhere. Such is the

> beauty of Sat-Chit-Ananda. It Knows It Self By It Self

> and Through It Self.

>

> Almost a quarter of a century ago, through the grace

> of Bhagavan Ramana, I realized the nature of the Self.

> I remember some of the thoughts which flashed in me

> intuitively after the great recognition...."Of course,

> of course, it is only me, what else, what else, what

> else did I expect, what else could it have possibly

> been!" Paradoxically, the obvious had become obvious.

>

> On that day, I truly realized how ordinary I was in

> every way and it filled my heart with gladness and

> joy. And knowing my own Heart, and realizing that it

> was the One Heart, all the scriptures made sense, and

> all the teachings lost their hold. Over time, it

> seemed like my heart was some leaky faucet that could

> no longer be contained with love seeping out in

> drips.... little drops, little drops, big drops......

>

> If we see clearly with the mind, the nature of the

> mind, we see that the ordinary mind is the Buddha

> Mind.

>

> So there is not much to do but to breathe in and

> breathe out in gratitude, love, and awareness and go

> about your daily life.

>

> Love to all

> Harsha

>

> =====

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November 4, 2002

Dear Purushaz , my observation is that you are broadly right .Ramana ,

Ramakrishna , and

Nisagadatta all suffered in their terminal cancers , excruciating pain , but

apparantly they were

not affected as much as ajnanis brcause they were less attached to their

mind-body organisms .So

Jnana is an ammelioration not the end of suffering as Jesus demonstrated rather

forcibly .Regards

Alan

--- purushaz <purushaz wrote:

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