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Dear Richard:

If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to

have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to give

tranmissions etc.

Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients which

determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like me

when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian

buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into permanent

ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that is

not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay.

Thanks in Advance

 

Loving Sir Richard and co.

Alton

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> Dear LSR,

>

> On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know):

>

> First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there.

> When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING?

>

> Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of

letting

> go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what is

> real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of

dissolved

> ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc.

>

> So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just

> unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being

> removed.

>

> We are Not two,

> Richard

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...>

> wrote:

> > On the subject of progress

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Dear LSR,

 

Again, telling you what you already know.

 

All are All Self at All times (and no time).

 

Some shine clearly, others are obscured by the clouds of their

misidentification and by their projection of their own Real Self onto

a so-called external world.

 

Evan now there may seem to be an Alton to reads this, but what is

real is the Self, the Being-Coisciousness-Bliss that is the "unseen

knower of all that is known." This is Self, your identity. Be clear

on this; Meditate, discriminate until this is certain for the

intellect. Then ask, "Who knows this?Who am I?"

 

A quote from some material I was gathering for an updated SAT web

site:

 

"What will it be like when one achieves Self-realization?" somebody

asked. "The question is all wrong, one does not realize anything

new," said Bhagavan. "I do not get you, Swami.It is very simple.

Now you feel like you are in the world. There you feel like the world

is in you," explained Bhagavan.

 

We are Not two,

Richard

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Dear Richard:

> If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to

> have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to

give

> tranmissions etc.

> Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients

which

> determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like

me

> when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian

> buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into

permanent

> ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that

is

> not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay.

> Thanks in Advance

>

> Loving Sir Richard and co.

> Alton

>

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> > Dear LSR,

> >

> > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know):

> >

> > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there.

> > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING?

> >

> > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of

> letting

> > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what

is

> > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of

> dissolved

> > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc.

> >

> > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just

> > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being

> > removed.

> >

> > We are Not two,

> > Richard

> >

> > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > On the subject of progress

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Dear Richard:

You did not answer my question why Sri Ramana had so much of the Self

that he could share while others that realize the Self cannot give

transmissions?

It's ok if you dont answer, then I will know that you are as confused

as I am. LOL. Nisargadatta says that some are given that power, so we

may we conclude that they have a larger Self then someone who just

realizes and does not transmit. The power of the mind determines the

size of the SELF? Anyone else I invite to reply too.

 

If by your answer are you saying that some that Realize still have

clouds obscuring so they cant give what Sri Ramana gave or is Ramana

special?

Loving loving and sometimes hating,

Alton

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> Dear LSR,

>

> Again, telling you what you already know.

>

> All are All Self at All times (and no time).

>

> Some shine clearly, others are obscured by the clouds of their

> misidentification and by their projection of their own Real Self

onto

> a so-called external world.

>

> Evan now there may seem to be an Alton to reads this, but what is

> real is the Self, the Being-Coisciousness-Bliss that is the "unseen

> knower of all that is known." This is Self, your identity. Be clear

> on this; Meditate, discriminate until this is certain for the

> intellect. Then ask, "Who knows this?Who am I?"

>

> A quote from some material I was gathering for an updated SAT web

> site:

>

> "What will it be like when one achieves Self-realization?" somebody

> asked. "The question is all wrong, one does not realize anything

> new," said Bhagavan. "I do not get you, Swami.It is very simple.

> Now you feel like you are in the world. There you feel like the

world

> is in you," explained Bhagavan.

>

> We are Not two,

> Richard

>

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Richard:

> > If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem

to

> > have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to

> give

> > tranmissions etc.

> > Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients

> which

> > determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain

like

> me

> > when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian

> > buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into

> permanent

> > ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that

> is

> > not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay.

> > Thanks in Advance

> >

> > Loving Sir Richard and co.

> > Alton

> >

> >

> >

> > RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...>

wrote:

> > > Dear LSR,

> > >

> > > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know):

> > >

> > > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always

there.

> > > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING?

> > >

> > > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of

> > letting

> > > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and

what

> is

> > > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of

> > dissolved

> > > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc.

> > >

> > > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just

> > > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being

> > > removed.

> > >

> > > We are Not two,

> > > Richard

> > >

> > > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana"

<leenalton@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > On the subject of progress

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RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> Dear Richard:

> If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to

> have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to give

> tranmissions etc.

> Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients which

> determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like me

> when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian

> buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into permanent

> ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that is

> not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay.

> Thanks in Advance

>

> Loving Sir Richard and co.

> Alton

>

>

>

> RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote:

> > Dear LSR,

> >

> > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know):

> >

> > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there.

> > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING?

> >

> > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of

> letting

> > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what is

> > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of

> dissolved

> > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc.

> >

> > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just

> > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being

> > removed.

> >

> > We are Not two,

> > Richard

> >

> > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > On the subject of progress

 

 

it is not the mind... if you talk

about the ability of shaktipath

pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness..

it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in Realized

beings *contagious*

 

~k~

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> Dear Era:

The stonger the mind the added ability to contain that Shakti.

So my contention remains, stronger minds may contain a larger amount

of Shakti and Self.

 

Loving Sri Ramana,

Alton

 

 

> it is not the mind... if you talk

> about the ability of shaktipath

> pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness..

> it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in

Realized

> beings *contagious*

>

> ~k~

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shakti is not contained in the mind but

in every cell.. the mind is bypassed..

it is a *state*

of being (which being as a result may

have a strong mind)

 

~k~

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Era:

> The stonger the mind the added ability to contain that Shakti.

> So my contention remains, stronger minds may contain a larger amount

> of Shakti and Self.

>

> Loving Sri Ramana,

> Alton

>

>

> > it is not the mind... if you talk

> > about the ability of shaktipath

> > pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness..

> > it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in

> Realized

> > beings *contagious*

> >

> > ~k~

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Dear Alton,

 

There is only the Self, undivided and nondual. The Self is without

attributes (like big or small or more or less or tall or short). To

have more or less of "all" seems a silly idea.

 

If it is mental, or of the body, or of the world, or of the senses,

or of the life energy, then there can be more or less of it.

 

The Self neither comes nor goes. Again, in terms of your own being,

look inside right now: has there ever been a time of more or less

being?

 

Answer this by looking deeply within yourself to verify the truth.

The mind has no answer to this, so cannot answer it (except by bhava -

- conviction -- that encourages the inquiry).\

 

We are Not two,

Richard

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

> > Dear Era:

> The stonger the mind the added ability to contain that Shakti.

> So my contention remains, stronger minds may contain a larger

amount

> of Shakti and Self.

>

> Loving Sri Ramana,

> Alton

>

>

> > it is not the mind... if you talk

> > about the ability of shaktipath

> > pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness..

> > it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in

> Realized

> > beings *contagious*

> >

> > ~k~

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Dear Alton,

this is a good question - but how to answer?

For sure Ramana's being as the Self was shining of such intense

brightness that there is no comparison. What makes it shine more

brightly than in other Gurus? The Self is always the same - and for

sure it is meant for each one of us to be revealed in full through

surrender and atma vichara. Many - meanwhile I believe this are

really much more than we think (most of them perhaps not recognizes

from people as such and living very silently a normal life) are in

that state. But what makes the seemingly difference?

Sri Ramana's radiating brought a silent mind and his teaching in

silence was most powerful - but how rare is that! Who of all the

advaita-teachers teaches in silence today - as much as they all state

that true teching is in silence. There may be some, but it's very

rare indeed.

 

So this is no answer but a deepening of the question.

 

In HIM

Gabriele

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear Richard:

> You did not answer my question why Sri Ramana had so much of the

Self

> that he could share while others that realize the Self cannot give

> transmissions?

> It's ok if you dont answer, then I will know that you are as

confused

> as I am. LOL. Nisargadatta says that some are given that power, so

we

> may we conclude that they have a larger Self then someone who just

> realizes and does not transmit. The power of the mind determines

the

> size of the SELF? Anyone else I invite to reply too.

>

> If by your answer are you saying that some that Realize still have

> clouds obscuring so they cant give what Sri Ramana gave or is

Ramana

> special?

> Loving loving and sometimes hating,

> Alton

>

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Dear all

 

You are right-there is nothing like More of SELF or LESS of SELF -

all that is is SELF

 

But what differentiates on a person from the other is the

ignorance/MAYA/illusion that hides the self. In case of BHAGAVAN,

there was no traces of Illusion left, and so he shone like " million

suns." The rest of us have to give up "more ' or 'less' of illusions

depending on our nature- but the nd of the path is same- illusion

free SELF state.

 

when u reach that, there is no question of your mental capacities to

hold it AS you would have to give up your mind in the process.

 

Advaita does not explain why the supreme Self chooses to hide behind

maya, which by definition of Advaita truth is also Self.Visishta

dvaita is more explicit in this issue.

 

BTW, I am reminded of a story attributed to Late Chandrasekaraacharya

of Kanchi.

 

When one cleans dirty vessels, one uses scours it with ash/tamarind

( soap- in current context)-finally, when the vessel is clean , these

agents that helped us clean the vessel has to be washed of- else the

vessel will still not be clean. Finally the water used also has to be

wiped dry.

 

similarly, all methods used to control mind have to be washed free

and the mind which helps us remove all the illusions also have to be

given up to be the Self. Else, it is also an impurity.

 

viji

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