Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Dear Richard: If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to give tranmissions etc. Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients which determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like me when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into permanent ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that is not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay. Thanks in Advance Loving Sir Richard and co. Alton RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote: > Dear LSR, > > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know): > > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there. > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING? > > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of letting > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what is > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of dissolved > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc. > > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being > removed. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...> > wrote: > > On the subject of progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Dear LSR, Again, telling you what you already know. All are All Self at All times (and no time). Some shine clearly, others are obscured by the clouds of their misidentification and by their projection of their own Real Self onto a so-called external world. Evan now there may seem to be an Alton to reads this, but what is real is the Self, the Being-Coisciousness-Bliss that is the "unseen knower of all that is known." This is Self, your identity. Be clear on this; Meditate, discriminate until this is certain for the intellect. Then ask, "Who knows this?Who am I?" A quote from some material I was gathering for an updated SAT web site: "What will it be like when one achieves Self-realization?" somebody asked. "The question is all wrong, one does not realize anything new," said Bhagavan. "I do not get you, Swami.It is very simple. Now you feel like you are in the world. There you feel like the world is in you," explained Bhagavan. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > Dear Richard: > If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to > have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to give > tranmissions etc. > Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients which > determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like me > when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian > buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into permanent > ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that is > not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay. > Thanks in Advance > > Loving Sir Richard and co. > Alton > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote: > > Dear LSR, > > > > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know): > > > > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there. > > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING? > > > > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of > letting > > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what is > > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of > dissolved > > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc. > > > > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just > > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being > > removed. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...> > > wrote: > > > On the subject of progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Dear Richard: You did not answer my question why Sri Ramana had so much of the Self that he could share while others that realize the Self cannot give transmissions? It's ok if you dont answer, then I will know that you are as confused as I am. LOL. Nisargadatta says that some are given that power, so we may we conclude that they have a larger Self then someone who just realizes and does not transmit. The power of the mind determines the size of the SELF? Anyone else I invite to reply too. If by your answer are you saying that some that Realize still have clouds obscuring so they cant give what Sri Ramana gave or is Ramana special? Loving loving and sometimes hating, Alton RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote: > Dear LSR, > > Again, telling you what you already know. > > All are All Self at All times (and no time). > > Some shine clearly, others are obscured by the clouds of their > misidentification and by their projection of their own Real Self onto > a so-called external world. > > Evan now there may seem to be an Alton to reads this, but what is > real is the Self, the Being-Coisciousness-Bliss that is the "unseen > knower of all that is known." This is Self, your identity. Be clear > on this; Meditate, discriminate until this is certain for the > intellect. Then ask, "Who knows this?Who am I?" > > A quote from some material I was gathering for an updated SAT web > site: > > "What will it be like when one achieves Self-realization?" somebody > asked. "The question is all wrong, one does not realize anything > new," said Bhagavan. "I do not get you, Swami.It is very simple. > Now you feel like you are in the world. There you feel like the world > is in you," explained Bhagavan. > > We are Not two, > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear Richard: > > If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to > > have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to > give > > tranmissions etc. > > Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients > which > > determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like > me > > when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian > > buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into > permanent > > ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that > is > > not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay. > > Thanks in Advance > > > > Loving Sir Richard and co. > > Alton > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote: > > > Dear LSR, > > > > > > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know): > > > > > > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there. > > > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING? > > > > > > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of > > letting > > > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what > is > > > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of > > dissolved > > > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc. > > > > > > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just > > > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being > > > removed. > > > > > > We are Not two, > > > Richard > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > On the subject of progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > Dear Richard: > If everyone is the Self then please explain why some beings seem to > have more of the Self than others. i.e. Sri Ramana being able to give > tranmissions etc. > Me thinks that there are stronger and weaker minds in gradients which > determine how much of the SELF shines through. So a pin brain like me > when realizing the Self will get a hit like smoking some Hawaiian > buds, but someone with a large MegaHertz mind will go into permanent > ecstasy. Please either talk from you experience or Nomes. If that is > not good enough then give me hearsay and double hearsay. > Thanks in Advance > > Loving Sir Richard and co. > Alton > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Richard Clarke" <r_clarke@i...> wrote: > > Dear LSR, > > > > On the subject of progress, (telling you what you already know): > > > > First there in no gaining of the Self. The Self is always there. > > When have you ever noticed any less EXISTANCE or BEING? > > > > Second, what Nome says is that 'progress' really consists of > letting > > go of 'ignorance' like misplaced ideas as to who we are and what is > > real and where happiness really come from. With each bit of > dissolved > > ignorance comes more peace, freedom, space, love, etc. > > > > So progress is certainly not anything gained, it is rather just > > unneeded things going away, the clouds that block the sun being > > removed. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "Loving Sri Ramana" <leenalton@h...> > > wrote: > > > On the subject of progress it is not the mind... if you talk about the ability of shaktipath pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness.. it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in Realized beings *contagious* ~k~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 > Dear Era: The stonger the mind the added ability to contain that Shakti. So my contention remains, stronger minds may contain a larger amount of Shakti and Self. Loving Sri Ramana, Alton > it is not the mind... if you talk > about the ability of shaktipath > pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness.. > it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in Realized > beings *contagious* > > ~k~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 shakti is not contained in the mind but in every cell.. the mind is bypassed.. it is a *state* of being (which being as a result may have a strong mind) ~k~ RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear Era: > The stonger the mind the added ability to contain that Shakti. > So my contention remains, stronger minds may contain a larger amount > of Shakti and Self. > > Loving Sri Ramana, > Alton > > > > it is not the mind... if you talk > > about the ability of shaktipath > > pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness.. > > it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in > Realized > > beings *contagious* > > > > ~k~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Dear Alton, There is only the Self, undivided and nondual. The Self is without attributes (like big or small or more or less or tall or short). To have more or less of "all" seems a silly idea. If it is mental, or of the body, or of the world, or of the senses, or of the life energy, then there can be more or less of it. The Self neither comes nor goes. Again, in terms of your own being, look inside right now: has there ever been a time of more or less being? Answer this by looking deeply within yourself to verify the truth. The mind has no answer to this, so cannot answer it (except by bhava - - conviction -- that encourages the inquiry).\ We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear Era: > The stonger the mind the added ability to contain that Shakti. > So my contention remains, stronger minds may contain a larger amount > of Shakti and Self. > > Loving Sri Ramana, > Alton > > > > it is not the mind... if you talk > > about the ability of shaktipath > > pranahuti darshan; transference of Consciousness.. > > it is the shakti (spiritual intelligence energy) which is in > Realized > > beings *contagious* > > > > ~k~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Dear Alton, this is a good question - but how to answer? For sure Ramana's being as the Self was shining of such intense brightness that there is no comparison. What makes it shine more brightly than in other Gurus? The Self is always the same - and for sure it is meant for each one of us to be revealed in full through surrender and atma vichara. Many - meanwhile I believe this are really much more than we think (most of them perhaps not recognizes from people as such and living very silently a normal life) are in that state. But what makes the seemingly difference? Sri Ramana's radiating brought a silent mind and his teaching in silence was most powerful - but how rare is that! Who of all the advaita-teachers teaches in silence today - as much as they all state that true teching is in silence. There may be some, but it's very rare indeed. So this is no answer but a deepening of the question. In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "Alton Slater" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear Richard: > You did not answer my question why Sri Ramana had so much of the Self > that he could share while others that realize the Self cannot give > transmissions? > It's ok if you dont answer, then I will know that you are as confused > as I am. LOL. Nisargadatta says that some are given that power, so we > may we conclude that they have a larger Self then someone who just > realizes and does not transmit. The power of the mind determines the > size of the SELF? Anyone else I invite to reply too. > > If by your answer are you saying that some that Realize still have > clouds obscuring so they cant give what Sri Ramana gave or is Ramana > special? > Loving loving and sometimes hating, > Alton > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 Dear all You are right-there is nothing like More of SELF or LESS of SELF - all that is is SELF But what differentiates on a person from the other is the ignorance/MAYA/illusion that hides the self. In case of BHAGAVAN, there was no traces of Illusion left, and so he shone like " million suns." The rest of us have to give up "more ' or 'less' of illusions depending on our nature- but the nd of the path is same- illusion free SELF state. when u reach that, there is no question of your mental capacities to hold it AS you would have to give up your mind in the process. Advaita does not explain why the supreme Self chooses to hide behind maya, which by definition of Advaita truth is also Self.Visishta dvaita is more explicit in this issue. BTW, I am reminded of a story attributed to Late Chandrasekaraacharya of Kanchi. When one cleans dirty vessels, one uses scours it with ash/tamarind ( soap- in current context)-finally, when the vessel is clean , these agents that helped us clean the vessel has to be washed of- else the vessel will still not be clean. Finally the water used also has to be wiped dry. similarly, all methods used to control mind have to be washed free and the mind which helps us remove all the illusions also have to be given up to be the Self. Else, it is also an impurity. viji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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