"I Am Content" - THANK YOU ALTON !

September 2, 2002

> But please have mercy on us !

Don't throw the same balls back !

Thank you .

((( Dearest Viorica,

An oversight i'm sure and not one seemingly calling for a mercy

plea...our Beloved Sri Ramana continually tossed the same balls into

the air for his disciples to catch - "Who am I?" But again, an

oversight to be sure.

Shall we Dance closely, locked in a perpetual Embrace with the Divine

while juggling Love and Light and Laughter in the air of That

Vastness we are? C'mom, let's Dance all night long DearHeart.

Nothing stands in the way of your liberation

and it can happen here and now, but for your

being more interested in other things. And

you cannot fight with your interests. You

must go with them, see through them and

and watch them reveal themselves as mere

errors of judgements and appreciation.

Discard every self-seeking motive

as soon as it is seen and you need

not search for truth; truth will find

you.

~Nisargadatta Maharaj

Nobody is blocking your path

except you.

If there is any devil on earth

ultimately

when you find him

it'll be you.

~Swami Amar Jyoti

"In Light of Wisdom"

Swami Amar Jyoti

Truth Consciousness

The beginning of freedom is the realization

that you are not the possessing entity - the

thinker. Knowing this enables you to observe

the entity. The moment you start watching the

thinker, a higher level of consciousness becomes

activated.

You then being to realize that there is a vast realm

of intelligence beyond thought, that thought is only

a tiny aspect of that intelligence. You also realize

that all the things that truly matter - beauty, love,

creativity, joy, inner peace - arise from beyond the

mind.

You begin to awaken.

~Eckhart Tolle

To any conceptual problem there cannot

be any valid answer except to see the

problem in perspective as an empty

thought. There is no such things as a

"problem" which is other than merely

conceptual.

By knowing for an absolute fact that he

does not live but is being lived, the man

of wisdom is aware of the perfect futility

of all intentions.

~Ramesh Balsekar

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,

there lies a field. I¹ll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,

the world is too full to talk about.

Ideas, language, even the phrase each other

doesn't make any sense.

– Rumi

What is the undercurrent which vivifies the

mind, enables it to do all this work? It is the

Self. So that is the real source of your activity.

Simply be aware of it during your work and do

not forget it. Contemplate in the background of

your mind even whilst working. To do that, do

not hurry, take your own time. Keep the

remembrance of your real nature alive, even

while working, and avoid haste which causes

you to forget. Be deliberate. Practise

meditation to still the mind and cause it to

become aware of its true relationship to the

Self which supports it. Do not imagine it is

you who are doing the work. Think that it is

the underlying current which is doing it.

Identify yourself with the current. If you

work unhurriedly, recollectedly, your work

or service need not be a hindrance.

- Sri Ramana Maharshi

It is the clinging to the false that makes

the true so difficult to see. Once you

understand that the false needs time and

what needs time is false, you are nearer

the Reality, which is timeless, ever in the

now. Eternity in time is mere repetitiveness,

like the movement of a clock. It flows from

the past into the future endlessly, as empty

perpetuity. Reality is what makes the present

so vital, so different from the past and future,

which are merely mental. If you need time to

achieve something, it must be false. The real

is always with you; you need not wait to be

what you are. Only you must not allow your

mind to go out of yourself in search.

~Nisargadatta Maharaj

LoveAlways,

Mazie

> -

> "hrtbeat7" <hrtbeat7>

> <RamanaMaharshi>

> Monday, September 02, 2002 6:39 PM

> [RamanaMaharshi] "I Am Content"

>

> February 8, 1981

>

> M = Nisargadatta Maharaj

>

> Q: Sometimes I have a feeling of mindlessness I feel that only I

> exist. There is only one thing in the world. I don't have to do

> anything. I simply exist.

>

> M: That state of being is common to all, that is the message "I Am"

> without words.

>

> Q: Is it possible to remain stable?

>

> M: Change is only in the mind-flow. All the studies you are doing

> are in the realm of the mind-flow. The sense of " I Am" is present

> because of you birth, through which you encounter many thoughts and

> concepts, always changing. Presently the message "I Am" is constant.

>

> Q: How can one be in that no-mind state?

>

> M: Prior to you birth and receiving the message " I Am", what were

> you?

>

> Q: That is a mystery.

>

> M: It is open, very clear, but still it is a mystery. Subsequent to

> that " I AM" and body-mind and in the realm of the mind, there

occurs

> what you call spiritual seeking, or spiritual knowledge. This is

> nonsense. In due course this message " I Am" will disappear.

>

> Q: How can you say that? What about rebirth?

>

> M: There is no rebirth. In the case of a jnani, the disappearance

> of the " I Am" will be termed as Niruta, free from the "I AM". In

> the case of an ordinary person, involved in mind, the disappearance

> of the message "I Am" will be expressed as " the person is dead and

> has taken another birth." You can never undertake studies about

that

> no-message state; you are making studies in the mind zone.

>

> Q So the witnessing is only possible when there are modifications

of

> the mind?

>

> M: Witnessing happens. Remember one thing, I am addressing my talk

> to the message "I Am".

>

> Q: How can I communicate with the " I AM", how can I listen?

>

> M: Listening will come spontaneously - just as you wake up

> spontaneously and fall asleep spontaneously. Don't make any effort.

>

> I did not extract my beingness from " there" and insert it

> into "here". It is happening spontaneously, and therefore I am

> experiencing it. During these talks you have gotten very angry;

this

> is in the zone of mind modifications- it is not a reflection of

your

> consciousness. The one who understands that anger is the message "

I

> Am". All your spiritual studies are conducted with you

> identification with the body-mind.

>

> Q: I think so, yes.

>

> M: Unless you identify correctly who you are, how can you identify

> others correctly? Recognize you real Self.

>

> Q: How shall I start?

>

> M: Faith in God is one of the sadhanas. The firm faith in the Self

> is not a sadhana, it is abidance.

>

> Q: I believe in God, or I do not believe in God - are these beliefs

> the same?

>

> M: Who is saying this"? What you say will be correct only when you

> have the conviction that you and God are one, then you will

recognize

> that there cannot be a God without you. To know yourself is the

real

> knowledge, but you cannot LOOK at yourself, you can only ABIDE in

> your Self. Give up your attachment to mind modifications.

>

> Q: Sometimes it does happen. How can I transcend the mind?

>

> M: Understand that you have no connection with this mind-flow; you

> are apart from it. Be watchful, be alert. A century ago, were you

> possessed by these mind-modifications?

>

> Q: No:

>

> M: Remain exactly like that.

>

> Q: How can I remain in the " I Am"?

>

> M: It is a stupid question. You are ALREADY that. Are you not

> already the "I Amness"? A jnani has transcended the: I Amness" and

> only witnesses it.

>

> Q: What kind of rule should a man choose for conducting himself in

> life?

>

> M: This question emanates from your concepts. Throw out your

> concepts. In the course of you study of spirituality, you have

> acquired many concepts, which you call that knowledge. Do you want

> me to be embroiled in your concepts?

>

> That thought flow is always there, except in deep sleep. Even for a

> jnani, the thought - flow is present but the thought has changed.

>

> Most people are carried away by the thought-flow, but a rare person

> turns around goes to the source and departs from the track of that

> original thought-flow, saying, " I is not mine, not my affair This

`I

> Amness' is the product of objective material it is not me. I am out

> of it."

>

> The statements, which come out of here, will stick to you, and with

> that sticking, your spiritual job will be done. When you do

anything

> it is for "me" but there is a limit to which that can go, isn't

there?

>

> Q: The needs are limitless.

>

> M: I meet many people who, in the pursuit of happiness, are always

> miserable. Rarely do I encounter someone who says, " I am content."

>

> Consciousness and the Absolute... Jean Dunn

>

> LoveAlways

September 2, 2002

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

>But you and your friend could try and keep on your dance

and check it for yourselves.

Hi Vicki,

the quote that precipitated this current recoil was originally

intriguing enough that i attempted to share it with friends at

another site, but it was inadvertently posted here at the same time

through the quirks of my skill with these sites. It was not writen by

Alton, but merely shared, and i am sure that the author of the quote

(Sri Nisargadatta) would not only not mind that it was being shared

by students of his teaching, but would also find your reaction quite

humorous, if it wasn't so poignantly uncalled for in its rejection of

a fellow devotee trying to bridge a gap that you insist on widening.

Forget the poetry, Dear --

although it is all so poetic it is

almost unbearable in revelation --

just feel into your heart right now,

that should be enough.

LoveAlways,

b

September 3, 2002

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

> dear b ,

>

> when you make reference back to your own words

> and send people to read them accordingly ,

> are you serious about it or joking ?

Dearest Viorica,

Where else to reference but the Self? And we have never been

condescending or joking about the Love we long to extend to you, and

we do Love you.

>

> but thank you for using my name and not calling me Sister , Mother ,

GrandPapa ...I truly appreciate this.

((( A name is but a name and we so often identify so much with names

and not who we truly are. Does it really matter, and especially

when "Dear Sister" was offered in the deepest Heart Voice to you, one

which you misread as contempt. My Beloved Robert is never

contemptuous to anyone or condescending to anyone.

>

> I don't insist on widening any conflict , but catching people's

expressions

> of feelings or confessions or expression of sincerity and

truthfulness to

> themselves and to other people whom are sharing with and applying

on them

> your

> analysis - that is not nice or fair .

>

> Because I , and maybe others , want just to share and not be

analysed by

> you.

((( i have always posted to all with the utmost Love and sincerity.

We do not analyze we only offer a hand and Heart to share as One as

Sri Ramana would counsel us to do and does just that. That you see it

as an analyzing might perhaps indicate the enquiry is speaking to

you. We share and are continually under your scrutiny as to why and

what we are saying every time. Do you not see that Robert and i have

always tried to just share and be loving with you? Your

interpretation as to our meaning and agenda are unfounded and but a

reflection of your view of us. Starting out on the wrong foot at the

other forum left a bitter taste in your mouth for Robert and i. We do

not understand why you feel so strongly about us and what we say.

>

> That happens a lot on other lists and it generates contionuos

controversions

> and hurt feelings .

((( Again Dearest, who is being hurt and why? Point out anytime we

have ever attempted to harm or belittle another. What you feel in

your own projections of what we are is but your own projections and

not necessarily that of the others. Can you not see that we only are

attempting to share what Sri Ramana has given us and what we only see

and offer as Love, and unconditional Love?

>

> This is not satsangh where you can intercept other people's

messages

> and play the teacher on them .

> This is not satsangh where one can imagine Ramana Maharshi

> dancing rock en roll with you and say this is Ramana teaching .

((( You are so mistaken in this assessment Dearest. And how can you

say that Sri Ramana does not rock and roll with either Robert and i,

for each relationship to the divine is unique and valid and

beautiful. Sri Ramana and i commune everyday and he Loves me and i

Love him. We have a thirty-five year long relationship and we know

the Heart of our Love is pure and perfect. How can you make this

judgement as to how i or Robert should worship and Love our Beloved

Ramana?

>

> I don't recognize you as a teacher or as a spiritual authority of

any kind

((( and who ever asked you to do such? We speak from our own

experiences and this is still what is known as "experiential wisdom"

given by the constant communion with Sri Bhagavan. You are uptight

and ready to jump on anything we post or say even if it is the most

loving thing imaginable. It is your projection not Robert's. i know

him well and he he is one of the most ecstatic and humble beings i

have ever met. You would Love him and see his devotion if you would

cease this thing about "you against those other devotees at Harsha's."

> .

>

> If you will stop bringing your mental analysis on my insights

> I would say a heartly thank you .

>

> This list is not the abode of self declared spiritual authorities.

>

> On somebody said that this is insulting and against

> common sense . And he was banned .

((( Mental analysis is again your own projection to an offering of

Bhagavan's own words to you. We know what we know by the grace of God

and we can say unequivocally that we never set ourselves up as

spiritual authorities, only brothers and sisters fumbling along like

everyone else. We do not insult and we do not ever attempt to demean

or belittle another. We are only offering you Love and you

continually push it away and strike out at this. Perhaps an enquiry

to this behavior might be in order Dearest. Why do you see us as so

horrible and such a threat to your well-being? And certainly Ramana

needs no defense from anyhone ever.

>

> For any human being who expresses a feeling , an emotion , an

insight

> and to whom the self declared self-realized teachers bring their

unasked

> mental stuff is insulting and against common sense .

>

> You are not going to turn this satsangh into ;

>

> You can't do that .

>

> Because this is not .

>

> Not the abode of false self-realized teachers.

((( Gee whiz Viorica - this is such a condemnation and a judgement

against your fellow devotees who are no different than you. The only

difference in anyone is not in kind but degree of awareness, as Sri

Ramana said many times. Insulting to whom? To Viorica who seems to

think her feelings were hurt? To the long-time devotee anchored in

the teachings of Ramana? Who is reacting like this to what we offer

of only Love and brotherhood? Harsha's is a beautiful forum and it is

so sad that you could not see this. You constantly attack and divide

and compare the two with some strange anger towards the Harsha folks.

What is this anger all about? Ramana said to all of us that we are

the same, we are the Self and we all are jnanis. Either God IS all or

He is not. Which is it Beloved? "La'il'allaha il'Allahu!" There is

only God, there is no reality but God, and dearest we are all that

too! You make a claim that we are false and do you know how many

throughout history were treated thusly? Jesus, Saint Joan, Saint

Francis, Hafiz and Rumi and so many many more who only spoke from

their Hearts, like al'Hallaj Mansur. Now do not, please do not think

i put myself in the same category as these, and yet, i do, i do, for

we are all One Wisdom and Love seeking to share ItSelf. Beloved do

you not see the "divide and separte" idea is self-defeating all

around?

>

> No . No . No . No .

>

Let's try Yes yes yes yes to Love.

> I have an unsolved problem with ?

> I do .

>

> I don't want Ramana to adjust my pants , friends .

> I don't want false teachers , friends .

((( My poetry is offensive to you only in that you have not reached

the level of identification with Beloved that i have perhaps. i write

from a heart broken open for God and the great ones, and Sri Ramana

understands and applauds my work whether you accept this or not. How

can you even imply that my devotion is less than yours and less than

respectful? It is only your own morals and ethics and projections

which bring this forward to say such things to me. And the poem was

exceptional and perhaps i should repost it to give the friends a feel

for what you and i are talking about here. Why not look for the

devotion and stop creating division where none exists but in your

mind? i am not false and Robert is not false and you must see that

this is but your view of us Dear One. Let it go and then we can move

on and be One as Sri Ramana would want for us to be.

>

> I am ready to this list too if this is what

> will start flourishing here .

>

Do what you must but please do not blame Robert or i for this. We

have nothing to do with your behavior or reactions as it is something

you need to look at. Why are you feeling so threatened and do you not

know that the Love for Ramana cannot be altered or diminshed by any

one person, or two for this case? What have we done, truly Viorica,

what have we done that makes you so hostile and angry at us? Examine

that Dearest. You are Loved and we only wanted to share that Love

with you. We still do and will and it is up to you to make this

choice to see God alone or these self-projected threats and

blasphemers. You really do have us all wrong, completely wrong

Viorica and maybe the benefit of the doubt would bode all well.

Loosen the load of sweetness I'm carrying.

The sling-knot is biting into my shoulder.

This day has been so meaningless.

I feel I can't go on.

When I was with my teacher, I heard a truth

that hurt my heart like a blister,

the tender pain of seeing

something I loved as an illusion.

The flocks I tended are gone.

I am a shepherd without even a memory

of what that means, climbing this mountain.

I feel so lost.

This was my inward way, until I came

into the presence of a Moon, this new knowledge

of how likenesses unite. Good Friend,

everything is You. I see only God.

Now the delightful forms and motions

are transparent. I look through them

and see myself as the Absolute. And here's

the answer to the riddle of this dream:

You leave, so that we two

can do One Dance.

- Lalla

>

> vicki

>

LoveAlways,

Mazie

>

> > Hi Vicki,

> >

> > the quote that precipitated this current recoil was originally

> > intriguing enough that i attempted to share it with friends at

> > another site, but it was inadvertently posted here at the same

time

> > through the quirks of my skill with these sites. It was not

writen by

> > Alton, but merely shared, and i am sure that the author of the

quote

> > (Sri Nisargadatta) would not only not mind that it was being

shared

> > by students of his teaching, but would also find your reaction

quite

> > humorous, if it wasn't so poignantly uncalled for in its

rejection of

> > a fellow devotee trying to bridge a gap that you insist on

widening.

> >

> > Forget the poetry, Dear --

> > although it is all so poetic it is

> > almost unbearable in revelation --

> >

> > just feel into your heart right now,

> > that should be enough.

> >

> > LoveAlways,

> >

> > b

September 3, 2002

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

>No . No . No . No .

One wants to rid oneself of misery. It requires peace of mind,

which means absence of perturbation owing to all kinds of

thoughts.

~ Sri Ramana

LoveAlways,

b

September 3, 2002

b:

I think it's time to cut the pretentious nonsense. Please take your

foolishness elsewhere.

Mark

mazie_l [sraddha54]

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:56 AM

RamanaMaharshi

[RamanaMaharshi] Re: "I Am Content" - THANK YOU ALTON !