Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Dear Net wrote snipped: "It makes me a little sad to see you in spiritual distress. Balance, balance and more balance however you might attain it is my only advice Dearest Alton......" Alton replies: With the exception of momentary loss of equanimity when I received that hostile email from Miles, who previously was able to accept my errant sense of humor, I have been incredibley joyous after many years of suicidal tendencies. Right after I received that email from Miles I went and did 2 1/2 hours of meditation. It was like that event never occurred. That is testimony to the efficacy of the teaching and Self Inquiry. As far as being balanced, I never have and never will until there is no more "I" thoughts. I do believe in what Lakshmana is saying about, to get that final push over the edge, one must have a living Guru. My friends dont and they are still my friends. If someones finds it necessary to defend their beliefs about not needing a living Guru for the final episode, so be it. However I quote Shakespeare, "me thinks the lady doth protest too much". Love, Alton RamanaMaharshi, "netemara888" <netemara888> wrote: > Alton, I have backtracked on this site to see where this thread began > and ended. It makes me a little sad to see you in spiritual distress. > But the greatest breakthrough I had was in the pit of an egoic > darkness, of course of my own making. After which I had the greatest > spiritual understanding of death by dying to the little self. It is > all within. And having many planets in Libra in this life, I have > sought the balance and am trying to bring balance to the group of > which you have made me owner. > > Balance, balance and more balance however you might attain it is my > only advice Dearest Alton...... > > You know our ties go back aeons...... > > in love and remembrance > > Netemara > > ****************** > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > Dear friends and adversaries: > > I am, because of a dirt of meditation practice today, addressing a > number or posts en masse. See below for snips and snippy posts. > > > > The whole spiritual trip is like seeking "the horns of the hare" It > is all due to highly conditioned imagination. Gurus opine according > to their cultural conditioning and mental/physical gifts that came > upon them. Ramana had this mega strong body so that he did not need > to do hardly any exercise. Rats gnawed at his legs and no infections > ensued. Ramana looked askance at hatha yoga because for him if would > have been a waste of effort. If Alton did not do hatha yoga and > concentrate on diet, he would become a basket case with a back that > gave so much pain that bed confinement would prevail. That has been > his history. > > > > Some Gurus say you don't hardly have to meditate and if you do it > might only build an intractable ego. Other Guru that meditated long > hours proscribed the same to their followers. If you don't like to > meditate then you will naturally seek a Guru who tells you what you > want to hear. > > > > This whole so called spiritual journey to me is like training for > the OLYMPICS. There is no God or spiritual trip. It is all about > learning and mastering techniques and learning about the nature of > the order of the universe. A certain Guru says souls must have a > living Guru permanently delete the "I" thought. Surely he is entitled > to his opinion and will have many that agree with his arguments. If > someone wishes to be a slave to Guru or God so be it, but Alton is > not going to chase "the horns of the hare" > > > > If the list owner Viorica, Miles, Netemara take umbrage to my > pontifications then they may ban me, but I will seek retribution by > developing siddhis and have a porn site co-host their groups. > > > > Please don't try to frighten me by telling me I might be born as an > animal. They seem happier then most souls I know, whether on the > vaunted spiritual trip or into sensual pleasures. At least I wont > have some shrink, that has stock in a drug company, proscribe anti- > depressants. > > ROFLMAO. > > > > More No Mind later today I hope. > > LOVE FROM THE QUASI ATHEIST, > > Alton > > > > Dear Miles wrote: > > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely > served in the > > horn of a hare. > > > > > > > > Dear Gabriele wrote: > > This "graveyard" bhakti here is convinced that you are already on > the > > bhakti way. Perhaps you will also become a "graveyard" bhakti? Who > > knows? > > laughing and earnestly > > Gabriele > > > > PS: What's about a meeting point on the graveyard for graveyard > > bhaktas? Alton, I am still chuckling with laughter. > > > > From the dedicated pen of dear Viorica: > > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely > served in the > > horn of a hare. > > Me too, > > > > vicki > > > > More from dear Miles: > > Those who simply cling to the words of gurus, whether living or > dead, have > > killed the Quest. If words are blindly accepted without testing by > questing > > the Original Source, the graveyard will be frequented with > inordinate > > frequency. > > > > Miles > > From the great mind of Dear Netemara: > > Alton, may I ask you a rhetorical question? Have you spent some > time > > in NOT SEEKING, NOT TRYING to get somewhere or make spiritual > > progress? Just wondering, you don't have to answer here if you > don't > > want to. > > > > > > Net > > > > ****************** > > > > From the pen of the Master Kabir aka Michael. > > Well, if we see this world as a nice place to be, then we can stay > > here, for ages more. No problem. We can continue in the seemingly > > endless cycle of reincarnations, but then, we face another risk. > We > > might lose the human form and be born as a jack-ass, or as an > > orangutan. Would you still like this world, then? :-) Christ > > said, "Lest a worse thing come unto thee." Tennyson wrote, those > who > > don't want to follow the path, run the risk of being born as a > worm, > > or a fly. What do you think about that, Alton? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 I am not giving you advice Alton. I said find the balance. That is not advice. If giving up seeking and meditating for a while will help you or anyone in that endeavor then do so, that was an example of what I have tried in the past. It did work for me. Jesus said "I and the Father are one." Show me where he had a living master for the final release. If there is a Master for me, living or dead, I am most assured that He is quite capable of making himself (or herself) known. Charan made himself known to me in quite a dramatic fashion. I saw his Radiant Form inside, before I had ever heard of him or saw a picture or heard of Sant Mat. So I heeded his call. Now if that was not really the Radiant Form of Charan Singh it matters not. I got what I was supposed to get from him. I went to see him in India and 5 months later he died. So I say again If there is another Master for me, living or dead, I am most assured that He is more than capable of making himself know. Don't you think so? Is this beyond the power of THE Master? I think not. So, why kick against the thorns? I am in no hurry.....And that is the nature of my protest......... Did you read of my experience on the forum with Ramana? Netemara ************** RamanaMaharshi, "lostnfoundation" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > Dear Net wrote snipped: > "It makes me a little sad to see you in spiritual distress. > Balance, balance and more balance however you might attain it is my > only advice Dearest Alton......" > > Alton replies: With the exception of momentary loss of equanimity > when I received that hostile email from Miles, who previously was > able to accept my errant sense of humor, I have been incredibley > joyous after many years of suicidal tendencies. > Right after I received that email from Miles I went and did 2 1/2 > hours of meditation. It was like that event never occurred. That is > testimony to the efficacy of the teaching and Self Inquiry. > > As far as being balanced, I never have and never will until there is > no more "I" thoughts. I do believe in what Lakshmana is saying about, > to get that final push over the edge, one must have a living Guru. My > friends dont and they are still my friends. If someones finds it > necessary to defend their beliefs about not needing a living Guru for > the final episode, so be it. However I quote Shakespeare, "me thinks > the lady doth protest too much". > > Love, > Alton > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "netemara888" <netemara888> wrote: > > Alton, I have backtracked on this site to see where this thread > began > > and ended. It makes me a little sad to see you in spiritual > distress. > > But the greatest breakthrough I had was in the pit of an egoic > > darkness, of course of my own making. After which I had the > greatest > > spiritual understanding of death by dying to the little self. It > is > > all within. And having many planets in Libra in this life, I have > > sought the balance and am trying to bring balance to the group of > > which you have made me owner. > > > > Balance, balance and more balance however you might attain it is my > > only advice Dearest Alton...... > > > > You know our ties go back aeons...... > > > > in love and remembrance > > > > Netemara > > > > ****************** > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > > > Dear friends and adversaries: > > > I am, because of a dirt of meditation practice today, addressing > a > > number or posts en masse. See below for snips and snippy posts. > > > > > > The whole spiritual trip is like seeking "the horns of the hare" > It > > is all due to highly conditioned imagination. Gurus opine according > > to their cultural conditioning and mental/physical gifts that came > > upon them. Ramana had this mega strong body so that he did not need > > to do hardly any exercise. Rats gnawed at his legs and no > infections > > ensued. Ramana looked askance at hatha yoga because for him if > would > > have been a waste of effort. If Alton did not do hatha yoga and > > concentrate on diet, he would become a basket case with a back that > > gave so much pain that bed confinement would prevail. That has been > > his history. > > > > > > Some Gurus say you don't hardly have to meditate and if you do it > > might only build an intractable ego. Other Guru that meditated long > > hours proscribed the same to their followers. If you don't like to > > meditate then you will naturally seek a Guru who tells you what you > > want to hear. > > > > > > This whole so called spiritual journey to me is like training for > > the OLYMPICS. There is no God or spiritual trip. It is all about > > learning and mastering techniques and learning about the nature of > > the order of the universe. A certain Guru says souls must have a > > living Guru permanently delete the "I" thought. Surely he is > entitled > > to his opinion and will have many that agree with his arguments. If > > someone wishes to be a slave to Guru or God so be it, but Alton is > > not going to chase "the horns of the hare" > > > > > > If the list owner Viorica, Miles, Netemara take umbrage to my > > pontifications then they may ban me, but I will seek retribution by > > developing siddhis and have a porn site co-host their groups. > > > > > > Please don't try to frighten me by telling me I might be born as > an > > animal. They seem happier then most souls I know, whether on the > > vaunted spiritual trip or into sensual pleasures. At least I wont > > have some shrink, that has stock in a drug company, proscribe anti- > > depressants. > > > ROFLMAO. > > > > > > More No Mind later today I hope. > > > LOVE FROM THE QUASI ATHEIST, > > > Alton > > > > > > Dear Miles wrote: > > > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely > > served in the > > > horn of a hare. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gabriele wrote: > > > This "graveyard" bhakti here is convinced that you are already on > > the > > > bhakti way. Perhaps you will also become a "graveyard" bhakti? > Who > > > knows? > > > laughing and earnestly > > > Gabriele > > > > > > PS: What's about a meeting point on the graveyard for graveyard > > > bhaktas? Alton, I am still chuckling with laughter. > > > > > > From the dedicated pen of dear Viorica: > > > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely > > served in the > > > horn of a hare. > > > Me too, > > > > > > vicki > > > > > > More from dear Miles: > > > Those who simply cling to the words of gurus, whether living or > > dead, have > > > killed the Quest. If words are blindly accepted without testing > by > > questing > > > the Original Source, the graveyard will be frequented with > > inordinate > > > frequency. > > > > > > Miles > > > From the great mind of Dear Netemara: > > > Alton, may I ask you a rhetorical question? Have you spent some > > time > > > in NOT SEEKING, NOT TRYING to get somewhere or make spiritual > > > progress? Just wondering, you don't have to answer here if you > > don't > > > want to. > > > > > > > > > Net > > > > > > ****************** > > > > > > From the pen of the Master Kabir aka Michael. > > > Well, if we see this world as a nice place to be, then we can > stay > > > here, for ages more. No problem. We can continue in the > seemingly > > > endless cycle of reincarnations, but then, we face another risk. > > We > > > might lose the human form and be born as a jack-ass, or as an > > > orangutan. Would you still like this world, then? :-) Christ > > > said, "Lest a worse thing come unto thee." Tennyson wrote, those > > who > > > don't want to follow the path, run the risk of being born as a > > worm, > > > or a fly. What do you think about that, Alton? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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