Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Dear friends and adversaries: I am, because of a dirt of meditation practice today, addressing a number or posts en masse. See below for snips and snippy posts. The whole spiritual trip is like seeking "the horns of the hare" It is all due to highly conditioned imagination. Gurus opine according to their cultural conditioning and mental/physical gifts that came upon them. Ramana had this mega strong body so that he did not need to do hardly any exercise. Rats gnawed at his legs and no infections ensued. Ramana looked askance at hatha yoga because for him if would have been a waste of effort. If Alton did not do hatha yoga and concentrate on diet, he would become a basket case with a back that gave so much pain that bed confinement would prevail. That has been his history. Some Gurus say you don't hardly have to meditate and if you do it might only build an intractable ego. Other Guru that meditated long hours proscribed the same to their followers. If you don't like to meditate then you will naturally seek a Guru who tells you what you want to hear. This whole so called spiritual journey to me is like training for the OLYMPICS. There is no God or spiritual trip. It is all about learning and mastering techniques and learning about the nature of the order of the universe. A certain Guru says souls must have a living Guru permanently delete the "I" thought. Surely he is entitled to his opinion and will have many that agree with his arguments. If someone wishes to be a slave to Guru or God so be it, but Alton is not going to chase "the horns of the hare" If the list owner Viorica, Miles, Netemara take umbrage to my pontifications then they may ban me, but I will seek retribution by developing siddhis and have a porn site co-host their groups. Please don't try to frighten me by telling me I might be born as an animal. They seem happier then most souls I know, whether on the vaunted spiritual trip or into sensual pleasures. At least I wont have some shrink, that has stock in a drug company, proscribe anti-depressants. ROFLMAO. More No Mind later today I hope. LOVE FROM THE QUASI ATHEIST, Alton Dear Miles wrote: For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the horn of a hare. Dear Gabriele wrote: This "graveyard" bhakti here is convinced that you are already on the bhakti way. Perhaps you will also become a "graveyard" bhakti? Who knows? laughing and earnestly Gabriele PS: What's about a meeting point on the graveyard for graveyard bhaktas? Alton, I am still chuckling with laughter. >From the dedicated pen of dear Viorica: For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the horn of a hare. Me too, vicki More from dear Miles: Those who simply cling to the words of gurus, whether living or dead, have killed the Quest. If words are blindly accepted without testing by questing the Original Source, the graveyard will be frequented with inordinate frequency. Miles >From the great mind of Dear Netemara: Alton, may I ask you a rhetorical question? Have you spent some time in NOT SEEKING, NOT TRYING to get somewhere or make spiritual progress? Just wondering, you don't have to answer here if you don't want to. Net ****************** >From the pen of the Master Kabir aka Michael. Well, if we see this world as a nice place to be, then we can stay here, for ages more. No problem. We can continue in the seemingly endless cycle of reincarnations, but then, we face another risk. We might lose the human form and be born as a jack-ass, or as an orangutan. Would you still like this world, then? :-) Christ said, "Lest a worse thing come unto thee." Tennyson wrote, those who don't want to follow the path, run the risk of being born as a worm, or a fly. What do you think about that, Alton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:05:33 +0100 I-I <leenalton Re: [RamanaMaharshi] RE: Skull breaking reply in total Dear Alton, Please yourself. Sorry you took offense. It just seems your desire to be banned from lists is eternally thwarted. Love Miles > Dear Miles: > Is it ok with you of I post this on Ramana group? > Thanks in advance" Or do you what to keep it as a secret that you use the F > word? > Love, > Alton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Alton, I have backtracked on this site to see where this thread began and ended. It makes me a little sad to see you in spiritual distress. But the greatest breakthrough I had was in the pit of an egoic darkness, of course of my own making. After which I had the greatest spiritual understanding of death by dying to the little self. It is all within. And having many planets in Libra in this life, I have sought the balance and am trying to bring balance to the group of which you have made me owner. Balance, balance and more balance however you might attain it is my only advice Dearest Alton...... You know our ties go back aeons...... in love and remembrance Netemara ****************** RamanaMaharshi, "I-I" <leenalton@h...> wrote: > Dear friends and adversaries: > I am, because of a dirt of meditation practice today, addressing a number or posts en masse. See below for snips and snippy posts. > > The whole spiritual trip is like seeking "the horns of the hare" It is all due to highly conditioned imagination. Gurus opine according to their cultural conditioning and mental/physical gifts that came upon them. Ramana had this mega strong body so that he did not need to do hardly any exercise. Rats gnawed at his legs and no infections ensued. Ramana looked askance at hatha yoga because for him if would have been a waste of effort. If Alton did not do hatha yoga and concentrate on diet, he would become a basket case with a back that gave so much pain that bed confinement would prevail. That has been his history. > > Some Gurus say you don't hardly have to meditate and if you do it might only build an intractable ego. Other Guru that meditated long hours proscribed the same to their followers. If you don't like to meditate then you will naturally seek a Guru who tells you what you want to hear. > > This whole so called spiritual journey to me is like training for the OLYMPICS. There is no God or spiritual trip. It is all about learning and mastering techniques and learning about the nature of the order of the universe. A certain Guru says souls must have a living Guru permanently delete the "I" thought. Surely he is entitled to his opinion and will have many that agree with his arguments. If someone wishes to be a slave to Guru or God so be it, but Alton is not going to chase "the horns of the hare" > > If the list owner Viorica, Miles, Netemara take umbrage to my pontifications then they may ban me, but I will seek retribution by developing siddhis and have a porn site co-host their groups. > > Please don't try to frighten me by telling me I might be born as an animal. They seem happier then most souls I know, whether on the vaunted spiritual trip or into sensual pleasures. At least I wont have some shrink, that has stock in a drug company, proscribe anti- depressants. > ROFLMAO. > > More No Mind later today I hope. > LOVE FROM THE QUASI ATHEIST, > Alton > > Dear Miles wrote: > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the > horn of a hare. > > > > Dear Gabriele wrote: > This "graveyard" bhakti here is convinced that you are already on the > bhakti way. Perhaps you will also become a "graveyard" bhakti? Who > knows? > laughing and earnestly > Gabriele > > PS: What's about a meeting point on the graveyard for graveyard > bhaktas? Alton, I am still chuckling with laughter. > > From the dedicated pen of dear Viorica: > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the > horn of a hare. > Me too, > > vicki > > More from dear Miles: > Those who simply cling to the words of gurus, whether living or dead, have > killed the Quest. If words are blindly accepted without testing by questing > the Original Source, the graveyard will be frequented with inordinate > frequency. > > Miles > From the great mind of Dear Netemara: > Alton, may I ask you a rhetorical question? Have you spent some time > in NOT SEEKING, NOT TRYING to get somewhere or make spiritual > progress? Just wondering, you don't have to answer here if you don't > want to. > > > Net > > ****************** > > From the pen of the Master Kabir aka Michael. > Well, if we see this world as a nice place to be, then we can stay > here, for ages more. No problem. We can continue in the seemingly > endless cycle of reincarnations, but then, we face another risk. We > might lose the human form and be born as a jack-ass, or as an > orangutan. Would you still like this world, then? :-) Christ > said, "Lest a worse thing come unto thee." Tennyson wrote, those who > don't want to follow the path, run the risk of being born as a worm, > or a fly. What do you think about that, Alton? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 Dear Alton, whatever someone says - and even if it is Ramana - it is not enough to be fixed on words - even not for a devotee. Of what use is it to repeat the teaching endlessly and cling on every word if understanding does not down by own practice? We have to find out who we really are for ourselves. This is the path and nothing else. The guru can't simply transmit it but he will help in different ways according to the need of the disciple. The guru will do nothing else than to kick us back to this eternal quest so long until it is finished. The outer guru does it from outwards, the inner guru draws then from within. That's the whole thing about the guru and the disciple - nothing less and nothing more. And it is the greatest gift to us. Love to you Gabriele > > The whole spiritual trip is like seeking "the horns of the hare" It is all due to highly conditioned imagination. Gurus opine according to their cultural conditioning and mental/physical gifts that came upon them. Ramana had this mega strong body so that he did not need to do hardly any exercise. Rats gnawed at his legs and no infections ensued. Ramana looked askance at hatha yoga because for him if would have been a waste of effort. If Alton did not do hatha yoga and concentrate on diet, he would become a basket case with a back that gave so much pain that bed confinement would prevail. That has been his history. > > Some Gurus say you don't hardly have to meditate and if you do it might only build an intractable ego. Other Guru that meditated long hours proscribed the same to their followers. If you don't like to meditate then you will naturally seek a Guru who tells you what you want to hear. > > This whole so called spiritual journey to me is like training for the OLYMPICS. There is no God or spiritual trip. It is all about learning and mastering techniques and learning about the nature of the order of the universe. A certain Guru says souls must have a living Guru permanently delete the "I" thought. Surely he is entitled to his opinion and will have many that agree with his arguments. If someone wishes to be a slave to Guru or God so be it, but Alton is not going to chase "the horns of the hare" > > If the list owner Viorica, Miles, Netemara take umbrage to my pontifications then they may ban me, but I will seek retribution by developing siddhis and have a porn site co-host their groups. > > Please don't try to frighten me by telling me I might be born as an animal. They seem happier then most souls I know, whether on the vaunted spiritual trip or into sensual pleasures. At least I wont have some shrink, that has stock in a drug company, proscribe anti- depressants. > ROFLMAO. > > More No Mind later today I hope. > LOVE FROM THE QUASI ATHEIST, > Alton > > Dear Miles wrote: > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the > horn of a hare. > > > > Dear Gabriele wrote: > This "graveyard" bhakti here is convinced that you are already on the > bhakti way. Perhaps you will also become a "graveyard" bhakti? Who > knows? > laughing and earnestly > Gabriele > > PS: What's about a meeting point on the graveyard for graveyard > bhaktas? Alton, I am still chuckling with laughter. > > From the dedicated pen of dear Viorica: > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the > horn of a hare. > Me too, > > vicki > > More from dear Miles: > Those who simply cling to the words of gurus, whether living or dead, have > killed the Quest. If words are blindly accepted without testing by questing > the Original Source, the graveyard will be frequented with inordinate > frequency. > > Miles > From the great mind of Dear Netemara: > Alton, may I ask you a rhetorical question? Have you spent some time > in NOT SEEKING, NOT TRYING to get somewhere or make spiritual > progress? Just wondering, you don't have to answer here if you don't > want to. > > > Net > > ****************** > > From the pen of the Master Kabir aka Michael. > Well, if we see this world as a nice place to be, then we can stay > here, for ages more. No problem. We can continue in the seemingly > endless cycle of reincarnations, but then, we face another risk. We > might lose the human form and be born as a jack-ass, or as an > orangutan. Would you still like this world, then? :-) Christ > said, "Lest a worse thing come unto thee." Tennyson wrote, those who > don't want to follow the path, run the risk of being born as a worm, > or a fly. What do you think about that, Alton? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 "Realization is but the art of dying smartNo love, no lord above, oh yes - it's hard" Jan Barendrecht from Karta Dear Alton, whatever someone says - and even if it is Ramana - it is not enough to be fixed on words - even not for a devotee. Of what use is it to repeat the teaching endlessly and cling on every word if understanding does not down by own practice? We have to find out who we really are for ourselves. This is the path and nothing else. The guru can't simply transmit it but he will help in different ways according to the need of the disciple. The guru will do nothing else than to kick us back to this eternal quest so long until it is finished. The outer guru does it from outwards, the inner guru draws then from within. That's the whole thing about the guru and the disciple - nothing less and nothing more. And it is the greatest gift to us. Love to you Gabriele > > The whole spiritual trip is like seeking "the horns of the hare" It is all due to highly conditioned imagination. Gurus opine according to their cultural conditioning and mental/physical gifts that came upon them. Ramana had this mega strong body so that he did not need to do hardly any exercise. Rats gnawed at his legs and no infections ensued. Ramana looked askance at hatha yoga because for him if would have been a waste of effort. If Alton did not do hatha yoga and concentrate on diet, he would become a basket case with a back that gave so much pain that bed confinement would prevail. That has been his history. > > Some Gurus say you don't hardly have to meditate and if you do it might only build an intractable ego. Other Guru that meditated long hours proscribed the same to their followers. If you don't like to meditate then you will naturally seek a Guru who tells you what you want to hear. > > This whole so called spiritual journey to me is like training for the OLYMPICS. There is no God or spiritual trip. It is all about learning and mastering techniques and learning about the nature of the order of the universe. A certain Guru says souls must have a living Guru permanently delete the "I" thought. Surely he is entitled to his opinion and will have many that agree with his arguments. If someone wishes to be a slave to Guru or God so be it, but Alton is not going to chase "the horns of the hare" > > If the list owner Viorica, Miles, Netemara take umbrage to my pontifications then they may ban me, but I will seek retribution by developing siddhis and have a porn site co-host their groups. > > Please don't try to frighten me by telling me I might be born as an animal. They seem happier then most souls I know, whether on the vaunted spiritual trip or into sensual pleasures. At least I wont have some shrink, that has stock in a drug company, proscribe anti- depressants. > ROFLMAO. > > More No Mind later today I hope. > LOVE FROM THE QUASI ATHEIST, > Alton > > Dear Miles wrote: > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the > horn of a hare. > > > > Dear Gabriele wrote: > This "graveyard" bhakti here is convinced that you are already on the > bhakti way. Perhaps you will also become a "graveyard" bhakti? Who > knows? > laughing and earnestly > Gabriele > > PS: What's about a meeting point on the graveyard for graveyard > bhaktas? Alton, I am still chuckling with laughter. > > From the dedicated pen of dear Viorica: > For breakfast this morning I had warm pigeon milk exquisitely served in the > horn of a hare. > Me too, > > vicki > > More from dear Miles: > Those who simply cling to the words of gurus, whether living or dead, have > killed the Quest. If words are blindly accepted without testing by questing > the Original Source, the graveyard will be frequented with inordinate > frequency. > > Miles > From the great mind of Dear Netemara: > Alton, may I ask you a rhetorical question? Have you spent some time > in NOT SEEKING, NOT TRYING to get somewhere or make spiritual > progress? Just wondering, you don't have to answer here if you don't > want to. > > > Net > > ****************** > > From the pen of the Master Kabir aka Michael. > Well, if we see this world as a nice place to be, then we can stay > here, for ages more. No problem. We can continue in the seemingly > endless cycle of reincarnations, but then, we face another risk. We > might lose the human form and be born as a jack-ass, or as an > orangutan. Would you still like this world, then? :-) Christ > said, "Lest a worse thing come unto thee." Tennyson wrote, those who > don't want to follow the path, run the risk of being born as a worm, > or a fly. What do you think about that, Alton? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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