how to deal with the ego coming out

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

When concentration is more and more on self-enquiry the ego is also

coming out and reveals itself. This is part of the normal process as

I meanwhile understand. Also Ramana said it.

 

The ego comes out with force, sometimes in a uncontrollable kind of

explosion playing all kind of games and giving himself the most

importance. This is the absolute contradiction to the inwardly going

mind in self enquiry.

 

We already did have this theme here. But what I want to ask is:

Is it better to let the mind freely rush outwardly and let it play

its games (only caring for that there will no harm happen to others),

that he will come to exhaustion and then silence down naturally or

should one give the whole concentration in leading it back at once

inwardly and give no allowance for its turn outwardly?

 

At the moment I more do the first possibility and let all things come

out and work out, but I don't feel very comfortable somehow as this

seems to add to restlessness and ego-games and push them up. Also I

remember that Ramana has said in "Who am I" one should be watchful

and catch the thought as soon as one becomes aware of it and root it

out at once.

When the ego rises up in all its force shall one allow it coming out

to be revealed in full or is it better to do everything to turn it at

once back to the source if possible and not let come it out?

Has anyone any suggestion?

[Guest guest]

Dear Gabriele asked:

 

"Is it better to let the mind freely rush outwardly and let it play

its games (only caring for that there will no harm happen to others),

that he will come to exhaustion and then silence down naturally or

should one give the whole concentration in leading it back at once

inwardly and give no allowance for its turn outwardly?"

 

Alton answers:

The Buddhists say it is all empty phenomena. I just tell myself, 'so

what' and try not to get involved with the content of thinking.

I then return to just "I". After years of thinking all imaginable

thoughts you see the mind as just a thinking machine that has to be

ignored, except when needed.

 

I await other posts on this question.

Aloha,

Alton

 

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote:

> Dear All,

> When concentration is more and more on self-enquiry the ego is also

> coming out and reveals itself. This is part of the normal process

as

> I meanwhile understand. Also Ramana said it.

>

> The ego comes out with force, sometimes in a uncontrollable kind of

> explosion playing all kind of games and giving himself the most

> importance. This is the absolute contradiction to the inwardly

going

> mind in self enquiry.

>

> We already did have this theme here. But what I want to ask is:

> Is it better to let the mind freely rush outwardly and let it play

> its games (only caring for that there will no harm happen to

others),

> that he will come to exhaustion and then silence down naturally or

> should one give the whole concentration in leading it back at once

> inwardly and give no allowance for its turn outwardly?

>

> At the moment I more do the first possibility and let all things

come

> out and work out, but I don't feel very comfortable somehow as this

> seems to add to restlessness and ego-games and push them up. Also I

> remember that Ramana has said in "Who am I" one should be watchful

> and catch the thought as soon as one becomes aware of it and root

it

> out at once.

> When the ego rises up in all its force shall one allow it coming

out

> to be revealed in full or is it better to do everything to turn it

at

> once back to the source if possible and not let come it out?

> Has anyone any suggestion?

[Guest guest]

Dear Viorica,

you are right - at last we surrender and need not worry about

anything.

 

Perhaps I should say something more about the background of this

question.

One of the first books about Ramana I read was "Who am I?". I don't

know how many times I have read it now. When I first read it I did

not understand anything at all - now, 11 years later, its meaning

gradually opens to me and I become more and more aware what the

practice of self-enquiry is and that it demands indeed the whole

effort and concentration anyone can bring up and without any stop.

 

The ego plays its games, thoughts and emotions are arising endlessly.

What to do? One can let the game happen and only watch and become

more and more the unaffected watcher and start not being identified

with them. That's the more passive practice. The more active perhaps

is to catch them as soon as one becomes aware that they arise - one

by one - and bring them back to their origin. Not to complete a

thought, an emotion - that's great, if one can learn this. What will

then remain?

 

 

Here is a part of "Who am I":

 

"Even when extraneous thoughts sprout up during such enquiry,

 

do not seek to complete the rising thought

 

but instead, deeply enquire within,

 

`To whom has this thought occurred?'

 

No matter how many thoughts thus occur to you,

 

if you would with accurate vigilance enquiry immediately as and when

each individual thought arises

 

to whom it has occurred,

 

you would find it is to `me'.

 

If then you enquire `Who am I?'

 

the mind gets introverted and the rising thought also subsides.

 

In this manner as you persevere more and more in the practice of Self-

enquiry,

 

the mind acquires increasing strength and power to abide in its

Source."

 

 

 

In HIM

Gabriele

 

 

 

RamanaMaharshi, "viorica_weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote:

> dear Gabriele,

>

> since my ego is still subject to reactions,

> I thought it would be better not to answer

> this question; but wishing to answer you ,

> I write these few words;

> I can't tell anyone how to deal

> with one's ego , we have Ramana for this;

> I can only say what I do - whatever happens

> to me ,that is the right thing to happen and

> he knows better; so bad or good,pleasant or unpleasant,

> laughing or crying,easy or difficult - it is accepted;

> Ever since I understood that I -as an individual- am

> just a tool at the will of the Unknown, what other

> can I do but accept anything ?

> It is not always easy , but ultimately , even if

> there is a struggle , I give up and accept.

> He is stronger than me , how could there be otherwise?

> So ultimately he brings me where he wants,

> Love Ramana,

> vicki

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Dear All,

> > When concentration is more and more on self-enquiry the ego is

also

> > coming out and reveals itself. This is part of the normal process

> as

> > I meanwhile understand. Also Ramana said it.

> >

> > The ego comes out with force, sometimes in a uncontrollable kind

of

> > explosion playing all kind of games and giving himself the most

> > importance. This is the absolute contradiction to the inwardly

> going

> > mind in self enquiry.

> >

> > We already did have this theme here. But what I want to ask is:

> > Is it better to let the mind freely rush outwardly and let it

play

> > its games (only caring for that there will no harm happen to

> others),

> > that he will come to exhaustion and then silence down naturally

or

> > should one give the whole concentration in leading it back at

once

> > inwardly and give no allowance for its turn outwardly?

> >

> > At the moment I more do the first possibility and let all things

> come

> > out and work out, but I don't feel very comfortable somehow as

this

> > seems to add to restlessness and ego-games and push them up. Also

I

> > remember that Ramana has said in "Who am I" one should be

watchful

> > and catch the thought as soon as one becomes aware of it and root

> it

> > out at once.

> > When the ego rises up in all its force shall one allow it coming

> out

> > to be revealed in full or is it better to do everything to turn

it

> at

> > once back to the source if possible and not let come it out?

> > Has anyone any suggestion?