Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dear Miles, I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the last moment before death. As I experience now the same what you are describing so well can also happen in the process of self-enquiry over a longer period of time. The ego does everything to come back to its normal strength and awareness and for this the body-mind is striking - everything is out of order - there is enormous suffering - everything outwardly becomes extremely difficult. Is this normal? Or is there something going wrong? In Sri Ramana Gabriele Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it onlist as I still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But this is nothing for statements! > > This is the reason Self Enquiry 'practice' is so important. At the time of > death, the ego throws up all the reasons it can to show its (small) > self-importance. It reflects on its life... desperate to sustain that life. > It bemoans the loss of its family and friends. It screams that this cannot > be happening to one so awfully important. It remembers its possessions. It > dwells on property and business. All it is... is these random thoughts. All > this seems like it takes an age...but happens in the blink of an eye. > EGO PANICS. > This is the time to catch it. If Self Enquiry has been rehearsed, in the > 'strong' mind... it cuts in, finding ego weak and vulnerable, and eradicates > all trace of ego... there and then. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. > There is absolutely no doubt. > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Dear Gabriele, Self Enquiry is a continual practice. Whenever the mind forgets to enquire, which is its normal trait, it needs nudged back in the direction of enquiry. If this Enquiry becomes the predominant habit of the mind...so be it. As long as one identifies wrongly with the body so long will one see the world as an external manifestation, with consequent suffering. The solution is to seek the Reality first. At the time of death (at ego's weakest) the mind flails about in blind panic. During everyday life it seems self-assured of its existence. Even deep sleep is not feared, but rather welcomed, because the ego has experience of always re-appearing. Its confidence is its weakness. At times this weakness becomes self-evident. When one awakens for example. If Self Enquiry starts on wake up... or at times of observance of breath-taking beauty...etc. Ego is caught unawares at these times. (shhh...don't tell it). Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, Miles --------- > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the last > moment before death. As I experience now the same what you are > describing so well can also happen in the process of self-enquiry > over a longer period of time. The ego does everything to come back to > its normal strength and awareness and for this the body-mind is > striking - everything is out of order - there is enormous suffering - > everything outwardly becomes extremely difficult. > Is this normal? Or is there something going wrong? > In Sri Ramana > Gabriele > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it onlist as I > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But this is > nothing for statements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2002 Report Share Posted May 1, 2002 Thank you, Miles. Always a pleasure to read. In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, Miles Wright <ramana.bhakta@v...> wrote: > Dear Gabriele, > > Self Enquiry is a continual practice. Whenever the mind forgets to enquire, > which is its normal trait, it needs nudged back in the direction of enquiry. > If this Enquiry becomes the predominant habit of the mind...so be it. > > As long as one identifies wrongly with the body so long will one see the > world as an external manifestation, with consequent suffering. The solution > is to seek the Reality first. > > At the time of death (at ego's weakest) the mind flails about in blind > panic. During everyday life it seems self-assured of its existence. Even > deep sleep is not feared, but rather welcomed, because the ego has > experience of always re-appearing. Its confidence is its weakness. At times > this weakness becomes self-evident. When one awakens for example. If Self > Enquiry starts on wake up... or at times of observance of breath- taking > beauty...etc. Ego is caught unawares at these times. (shhh...don't tell it). > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles > --------- > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the last > > moment before death. As I experience now the same what you are > > describing so well can also happen in the process of self-enquiry > > over a longer period of time. The ego does everything to come back to > > its normal strength and awareness and for this the body-mind is > > striking - everything is out of order - there is enormous suffering - > > everything outwardly becomes extremely difficult. > > Is this normal? Or is there something going wrong? > > In Sri Ramana > > Gabriele > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it onlist as I > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But this is > > nothing for statements! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2002 Report Share Posted May 3, 2002 .... or hearing breath-taking beauty, for example Vivaldi's "Four Seasons". (Pst!) > Enquiry starts on wake up... or at times of observance of breath- taking > beauty...etc. Ego is caught unawares at these times. (shhh...don't tell it). > > > Ever Yours in Sri Bhagavan, > Miles > --------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear Vicki, when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question to Miles I wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to work) and wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But I will try to avoid ! in future. OK? In HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> wrote: > > > > Dear Miles, > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the last > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it onlist > as I > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But this > is > > nothing for statements! > > > > dear Gabriele, > > in your last message you said you wanted me > to come back posting; I have a little problem > since this last message of yours . > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't dissolve. > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > To whom ? Why ? > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > group. > > Me not perfect ? I know. > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the sun ? > I know. > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > I am not and I can't be such , > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > aloha my friends > > your devoted phantom , > v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 In a message dated 5/6/2002 1:25:44 PM Central Daylight Time, viorica writes: > what is this going on here ? > what is all this about .....? > > you are so arrogant ! > so arrogant! > *On the contrary, since I have joined this list I find that V has spent the largest amount of time talking about her ego. She's leaving the list in a tantrum... she's coming back... she's leaving, she's coming back.... Other people's expression leave her constantly rub her the wrong way..... I mostly delete mails here because of all the ridiculous tiptoeing around the ego.... this is ridiculous V you are in no danger of becoming a robot if you'd just curb your ego a bit more. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear All, Who is it that has hurt feelings in need of appologies? Is it the Self, or is it the ego-I? When something happens to me where I feel a response of hurt or anger, I find that this is yet another wonderful opportunity to look within and see yet another mis-identification. I can then use this view of the misidentification as an item for self- inquiry. I am grateful for these chances. Sometimes in interaction with another, I may see (perhaps unwillingly) yet more forms of the ego- identity I have taken on. I find that I may see things here that, on my own, I do not see. In this way I see the one whose act or words brought about the feeling of hurt or anger as yet another teacher. Praise to all those who teach! These teachings are precious. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Gabriele, > > Am I such a stupid ? > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > a baffled phantom , > > vicki > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Seems apologizing becomes a new job for me here, hey! When I am ready with apologizing to all perhaps I can turn back to self enquiry? Ah, I think I let the apologizing job here coming to an end and turn back to self enquiry! LOL!!! RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Gabriele, > > Am I such a stupid ? > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > a baffled phantom , > > vicki > > > > Dear Vicki, > > when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question to Miles I > > wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to work) and > > wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! > > and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But I will try > > to avoid ! in future. OK? > > In HIM > > Gabriele > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miles, > > > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the last > > > > > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it onlist > > > as I > > > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But this > > > is > > > > nothing for statements! > > > > > > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > in your last message you said you wanted me > > > to come back posting; I have a little problem > > > since this last message of yours . > > > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't dissolve. > > > > > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > > > To whom ? Why ? > > > > > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > > > > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > > > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > > > > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > > > group. > > > > > > Me not perfect ? I know. > > > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the sun ? > > > I know. > > > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > > > > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > > > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > > > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > > > I am not and I can't be such , > > > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > > > > > aloha my friends > > > > > > your devoted phantom , > > > v. > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear V. You will do better spiritually to inquire about the hurts that you feel. After all, it is you that puts the hurt there. The offence you feel does not arise from others, it is put there by your ego-I. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > What about your 'OK? 's' ? > > whom do you think you are talking to ? > what do you think you are doing ? > who do you think you are ? > where do you think you are ? > what is this going on here ? > what is all this about .....? > > you are so arrogant ! > so arrogant! > > > > > > Seems apologizing becomes a new job for me here, hey! > > When I am ready with apologizing to all perhaps I can turn back to > > self enquiry? Ah, I think I let the apologizing job here coming to an > > end and turn back to self enquiry! LOL!!! > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > Am I such a stupid ? > > > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > > > > > a baffled phantom , > > > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question to > > Miles I > > > > wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to work) > > and > > > > wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! > > > > and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But I will > > try > > > > to avoid ! in future. OK? > > > > In HIM > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miles, > > > > > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it > > onlist > > > > > as I > > > > > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > nothing for statements! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > in your last message you said you wanted me > > > > > to come back posting; I have a little problem > > > > > since this last message of yours . > > > > > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't > > dissolve. > > > > > > > > > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > > > > > To whom ? Why ? > > > > > > > > > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > > > > > > > > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > > > > > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > > > > > > > > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > Me not perfect ? I know. > > > > > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the sun ? > > > > > I know. > > > > > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > > > > > > > > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > > > > > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > > > > > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > > > > > I am not and I can't be such , > > > > > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > > > > > > > > > aloha my friends > > > > > > > > > > your devoted phantom , > > > > > v. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear v, These comments were meant for all (including this one who is typing right now). Especially in such a community as ours, we need to be willing to look at the manifestations of the ego-I, and then look deeper than any ego- I, and take our stand in the Self. This Self has no conflicts, has no need for assertions, no need for apologies, no separation. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Richard, > > you are right and appreciate what you say as always. > > but this is not valid only to me to inquire. > I may inquire who is that feels so sensitive to > 'don'ts' ,!!!!,OK?s > but this is an equal valid advice to those who bring such > a dialog style in a community of devotees, > > love Ramana, > > v. > > > > > Dear V. > > > > You will do better spiritually to inquire about the hurts that you > > feel. After all, it is you that puts the hurt there. > > > > The offence you feel does not arise from others, it is put there by > > your ego-I. > > > > We are Not two, > > Richard > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > What about your 'OK? 's' ? > > > > > > whom do you think you are talking to ? > > > what do you think you are doing ? > > > who do you think you are ? > > > where do you think you are ? > > > what is this going on here ? > > > what is all this about .....? > > > > > > you are so arrogant ! > > > so arrogant! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems apologizing becomes a new job for me here, hey! > > > > When I am ready with apologizing to all perhaps I can turn back to > > > > self enquiry? Ah, I think I let the apologizing job here coming > > to an > > > > end and turn back to self enquiry! LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> > > wrote: > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > Am I such a stupid ? > > > > > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > > > > > > > > > a baffled phantom , > > > > > > > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > > > when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question to > > > > Miles I > > > > > > wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to > > work) > > > > and > > > > > > wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! > > > > > > and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But I > > will > > > > try > > > > > > to avoid ! in future. OK? > > > > > > In HIM > > > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miles, > > > > > > > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about > > the > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it > > > > onlist > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. > > But > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > nothing for statements! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your last message you said you wanted me > > > > > > > to come back posting; I have a little problem > > > > > > > since this last message of yours . > > > > > > > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't > > > > dissolve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > > > > > > > To whom ? Why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > > > > > > > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me not perfect ? I know. > > > > > > > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the > > sun ? > > > > > > > I know. > > > > > > > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > > > > > > > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > > > > > > > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > > > > > > > I am not and I can't be such , > > > > > > > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aloha my friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your devoted phantom , > > > > > > > v. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Well I made a little joke out of it to bring us in another direction. Did not work as I see. If you say my expressions are not ok I will try to change. I will truly try to learn and I say this with earnesty. But there is no arrogance, perhaps a little bit of defending myself (the ego-gaim). The I doesn't like to be shattered and be blamed and not at all so openly on a list. So it struggles. It defends itself. That's what is truely going on. Besides I would like to find a way back simply posting and studying Ramana Gita here with all of you and try to gain a better understanding of it. That's what occupies me really (besides other very beatiful sharings and postings from others I like to read) : the Ramana Gita and this Chapter II,2 as it is the central teaching of Ramana. Well, I can offer to be silent with personal sharings and restrict to this posting of Ramana Gita, yes may be a good idea as I find me already too much enganged. - But I don't want to give up posting Ramana Gita because of this so I will keep on. If someone else finds this not appropriate please say, but please offlist. Then I will accept and stop. Perhaps someone else will like to continue with it? Who knows. Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > What about your 'OK? 's' ? > > whom do you think you are talking to ? > what do you think you are doing ? > who do you think you are ? > where do you think you are ? > what is this going on here ? > what is all this about .....? > > you are so arrogant ! > so arrogant! > > > > > > Seems apologizing becomes a new job for me here, hey! > > When I am ready with apologizing to all perhaps I can turn back to > > self enquiry? Ah, I think I let the apologizing job here coming to an > > end and turn back to self enquiry! LOL!!! > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > Am I such a stupid ? > > > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > > > > > a baffled phantom , > > > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question to > > Miles I > > > > wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to work) > > and > > > > wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! > > > > and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But I will > > try > > > > to avoid ! in future. OK? > > > > In HIM > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miles, > > > > > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about the > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it > > onlist > > > > > as I > > > > > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. But > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > nothing for statements! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > in your last message you said you wanted me > > > > > to come back posting; I have a little problem > > > > > since this last message of yours . > > > > > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't > > dissolve. > > > > > > > > > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > > > > > To whom ? Why ? > > > > > > > > > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > > > > > > > > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > > > > > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > > > > > > > > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > Me not perfect ? I know. > > > > > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the sun ? > > > > > I know. > > > > > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > > > > > > > > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > > > > > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > > > > > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > > > > > I am not and I can't be such , > > > > > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > > > > > > > > > aloha my friends > > > > > > > > > > your devoted phantom , > > > > > v. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 dear v., The only ego that is worthwhile for a seeker to concern themselves with is the seeker's own ego. When you are deeper you will see that you ego was just an illusion. Ramana might say that since your ego is just illusion, why worry about other illusionary egos? Talking to others about things like this is often like gathering up outside forces to support ones ego. But this ego is our own imagination. How much energy is worth putting into making this illusion stronger? The seeker's energy is best directed towards this. There is a little Ramana Maharshi Book, "Erase the Ego." That is the idea. The devotionally minded are advised to surrender the ego. In inquiry, the ego is found to be just illusion (I like to call it, "A bad idea.") I am not saying any of this to be even remotely critical. The only intent is to lift you (and this list) higher. Now here, I can say, I love you. (only the "you" is not an individual/personalized "you.") We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Richard, > > but on this list there are are many egos; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear Gabriele, Your postings and presence in this group are appreciated. Ramana's Gita is a wonderful text. I know that these postings are good spiritual practice, in both entering them and reading of them. You have probably read other postings of mine. Struggles just occur between ego-I's. I want to encourage each of us on this list to look deeper than this. Isn't this what Ramana's teachings were about? We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Well I made a little joke out of it to bring us in another direction. > Did not work as I see. If you say my expressions are not ok I will > try to change. I will truly try to learn and I say this with earnesty. > But there is no arrogance, perhaps a little bit of defending myself > (the ego-gaim). The I doesn't like to be shattered and be blamed and > not at all so openly on a list. So it struggles. It defends itself. > That's what is truely going on. > Besides I would like to find a way back simply posting and studying > Ramana Gita here with all of you and try to gain a better > understanding of it. That's what occupies me really (besides other > very beatiful sharings and postings from others I like to read) : the > Ramana Gita and this Chapter II,2 as it is the central teaching of > Ramana. > Well, I can offer to be silent with personal sharings and restrict to > this posting of Ramana Gita, yes may be a good idea as I find me > already too much enganged. - But I don't want to give up posting > Ramana Gita because of this so I will keep on. If someone else finds > this not appropriate please say, but please offlist. Then I will > accept and stop. Perhaps someone else will like to continue with it? > Who knows. > Gabriele > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > What about your 'OK? 's' ? > > > > whom do you think you are talking to ? > > what do you think you are doing ? > > who do you think you are ? > > where do you think you are ? > > what is this going on here ? > > what is all this about .....? > > > > you are so arrogant ! > > so arrogant! > > > > > > > > > > > Seems apologizing becomes a new job for me here, hey! > > > When I am ready with apologizing to all perhaps I can turn back to > > > self enquiry? Ah, I think I let the apologizing job here coming > to an > > > end and turn back to self enquiry! LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> > wrote: > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > Am I such a stupid ? > > > > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > > > > > > > a baffled phantom , > > > > > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > > when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question to > > > Miles I > > > > > wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to > work) > > > and > > > > > wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! > > > > > and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But I > will > > > try > > > > > to avoid ! in future. OK? > > > > > In HIM > > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miles, > > > > > > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here about > the > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write it > > > onlist > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > still somehow believe it can also help some here onlist. > But > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > nothing for statements! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > > > in your last message you said you wanted me > > > > > > to come back posting; I have a little problem > > > > > > since this last message of yours . > > > > > > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't > > > dissolve. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > > > > > > To whom ? Why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > > > > > > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Me not perfect ? I know. > > > > > > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the > sun ? > > > > > > I know. > > > > > > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > > > > > > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > > > > > > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > > > > > > I am not and I can't be such , > > > > > > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > > > > > > > > > > > aloha my friends > > > > > > > > > > > > your devoted phantom , > > > > > > v. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 dear v., You may have read my earlier response on this thread. I continue to recommend to all that will listen (including the one typing right now) to not give the ego-I so much importance. You are So Much More. And in that More is the deepest Peace. Bringing that Peace into our world, into our family, is the greatest gift that any of us can give to those we love. You are loved. You are Love. Come or go as you please. Speaking for this one, you are most welcome here. We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > dear Richard, > > if you say it is only me who perceived this that way , > as very unpleasant and out of place , and other people > on this list see this as nothing or perfectly normal , > that if I don't want that would this mean it is only me ? > would this mean my place is not here ? > I don't want imperative statements to enter my life > but they entered from this list not only once from > Gabriele, I don't want them any more . > If only I perceive things like this and others don't , > then I'll take a break from this list and remain with myself > and check myself for that because I just don't want more imperative > statements in my life , I'll be off-list when you'll read this. > I perceived many unpleasantness coming from Gabriele to me in time , > not only once ; I take the responsability for that and go away. > I had a conflict with her on HS list also. That is too much for me. > Before we get dissolved in the Self, we are all very sensitive, > much more sensitive than other people in the street. > Worth taking care . I give up and go away. > When I shouted at my girl once she instantly started crying. > I went into another room not to see me how I cried also > because I made her cry like that. > I can't explain her she is the Self and the crying girl > is a phantom , can I ? Until I'll be totally detached - > if this will happen to me in this life I don't know, > I want peace and silence ,friends and kind relationships > in my life as a mortal. I wouldn't accept a palace > in Wonderland and leave alone my companions in this city > living the terror of blowing up every day , I chose > to die tomorrow and blow up with this land , > but when shouting at me I am like a 5 years old child. > someday I'll be back perhaps, > if not ....We Are Not Two ! > > aloha, > Loving Ramana, > for ever,for ever,for ever. > v. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear Richard, I always like to read your postings and find them very near to my own practice, with perhaps one difference: that you are already more fixed in practice. For me it is hard work and effort at the moment to keep this focus and often I don't succeed. Then I start again from the beginning and so on. Posting Ramana Gita and the teaching of Ramana also helps to keep the focus. That's one thing. The other is that I really can't say of what use and quality it is what I sometimes present in my personal postings and it really can be that expressions are not the best. So for all here, if there was anything hurting in it, something against respect, love, peace, freedom, something which seems to be arrogant - (perhaps the impression that I spoke like a teacher or the tone or the style) ... for this I apologize. I can teach nothing - I am learning, only learning and sometimes share a limited insight with you - and besides offer the Ramana Gita, which I enjoy to do at the moment - really enjoy. So please, dear all, accept my limited offerings in the spirit of Ramana as I enjoy all your sharings here. Can we go on like this? Always in HIM Gabriele RamanaMaharshi, "richard_clarke95125" <r_clarke@i...> wrote: > Dear Gabriele, > > Your postings and presence in this group are appreciated. Ramana's > Gita is a wonderful text. I know that these postings are good > spiritual practice, in both entering them and reading of them. > > You have probably read other postings of mine. Struggles just occur > between ego-I's. I want to encourage each of us on this list to look > deeper than this. Isn't this what Ramana's teachings were about? > > We are Not two, > Richard > > RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > > Well I made a little joke out of it to bring us in another > direction. > > Did not work as I see. If you say my expressions are not ok I will > > try to change. I will truly try to learn and I say this with > earnesty. > > But there is no arrogance, perhaps a little bit of defending myself > > (the ego-gaim). The I doesn't like to be shattered and be blamed > and > > not at all so openly on a list. So it struggles. It defends itself. > > That's what is truely going on. > > Besides I would like to find a way back simply posting and studying > > Ramana Gita here with all of you and try to gain a better > > understanding of it. That's what occupies me really (besides other > > very beatiful sharings and postings from others I like to read) : > the > > Ramana Gita and this Chapter II,2 as it is the central teaching of > > Ramana. > > Well, I can offer to be silent with personal sharings and restrict > to > > this posting of Ramana Gita, yes may be a good idea as I find me > > already too much enganged. - But I don't want to give up posting > > Ramana Gita because of this so I will keep on. If someone else > finds > > this not appropriate please say, but please offlist. Then I will > > accept and stop. Perhaps someone else will like to continue with > it? > > Who knows. > > Gabriele > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> wrote: > > > What about your 'OK? 's' ? > > > > > > whom do you think you are talking to ? > > > what do you think you are doing ? > > > who do you think you are ? > > > where do you think you are ? > > > what is this going on here ? > > > what is all this about .....? > > > > > > you are so arrogant ! > > > so arrogant! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems apologizing becomes a new job for me here, hey! > > > > When I am ready with apologizing to all perhaps I can turn back > to > > > > self enquiry? Ah, I think I let the apologizing job here coming > > to an > > > > end and turn back to self enquiry! LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "viorica weissman" <viorica@z...> > > wrote: > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > Am I such a stupid ? > > > > > I expected you'd apologize to everybody , > > > > > > > > > > a baffled phantom , > > > > > > > > > > vicki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vicki, > > > > > > when I wrote about "fear of death" and asked this question > to > > > > Miles I > > > > > > wasn't very well (being sick at home and not able going to > > work) > > > > and > > > > > > wanted to avoid the subject being discussed. So I used the ! > > > > > > and "please don't" to express my request in this case. But > I > > will > > > > try > > > > > > to avoid ! in future. OK? > > > > > > In HIM > > > > > > Gabriele > > > > > > > > > > > > RamanaMaharshi, "vioricail" <vioricail> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Miles, > > > > > > > > I am still dealing with your reply. You speak here > about > > the > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, please don't discuss this here. I only write > it > > > > onlist > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > still somehow believe it can also help some here > onlist. > > But > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > nothing for statements! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Gabriele, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in your last message you said you wanted me > > > > > > > to come back posting; I have a little problem > > > > > > > since this last message of yours . > > > > > > > Several days passed and the specific problem didn't > > > > dissolve. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another "!" statement again and 'please don't!' . > > > > > > > To whom ? Why ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Cecile said we are all more sensitives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can't deal with your "don't"s and "!" > > > > > > > same way my children can't deal with mine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not intended to me I know , but to the whole > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Me not perfect ? I know. > > > > > > > Me having many clouds above my head obstructing the > > sun ? > > > > > > > I know. > > > > > > > Me very sensitive ? Yes. I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " But this is nothing for statements! " of yours > > > > > > > stops me from functioning as the correct posting > > > > > > > quotes robot that I appeared to be , > > > > > > > I am not and I can't be such , > > > > > > > at the present I am a very sensitive human soul, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aloha my friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your devoted phantom , > > > > > > > v. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Post message: RamanaMaharshi@o... > > > > Subscribe: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > Un: RamanaMaharshi-@o... > > > > List owner: RamanaMaharshi-owner@o... > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > /community/RamanaMaharshi > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2002 Report Share Posted May 6, 2002 Dear Gabriele, If I am more fixed in my practice, it is perhaps that I have learned one small trick. The mind has its tendencies. Most of the time, these can present problems to seekers. I have learned something about creating new tendencies, ones that turn the mind inward. One of these for me is this body's liking a morning routine. For me, this is kind of like a train on a track. I have found if there is something that I really want to do, to insert it into this routine. I struggled for about seven years with getting started with a daily meditation practice. Finally, I saw that this was vital for any further spiritual progress. So I found a way to insert my first meditation in this cycle. I am also at my best at this time of day, so I am using my best time for the most important activity (inquiry). So now for about the last several years, I really do have this daily practice. Then I tried to find other "scheduled" times in which to practice. This still have been troublesome, so instead of a schedule, I look for times in the day when I can meditate. Commonly, I now meditate about 3 times most days, for perhaps an hour. Inquiry continues for much of the day, whether meditating or not. When one takes this kind of time for practice, this is a start in diminishing the power of the ego. The seeker says that practice is more important that the ego's desires. This is important; otherwise one's practice would be at the mercy of one's ego. That, obviously, is a pretty limited approach. I would also advise anyone with a serious interest in inquiry to get audio tapes from SAT of satsangs. And listen/reflect/meditate on these. There is a catalog available at the SAT website (http://www.satramana.org/tapecat.htm and scroll down to the bottom to see the most recent ones). In these tapes is the same quality of instruction as was provided by Ramana. I also have come to love "Song of Ribhu." I now think that if I had to take but one book to the famed desert isle, it would be Song of Ribhu (it used to be that "Talks" was my choice). Another thing that has been a great help to me in inquiry has been the negation/discrimination practice that I did over the last year. This has taken my inquiry much deeper. It now starts at looking consciousness instead of looking at all the objects of consciousness. This is obviously much closer to the Self. Thanks for your message. Keep practicing. What else is there to do that matters? We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, "gabriele_ebert" <g.ebert@g...> wrote: > Dear Richard, > I always like to read your postings and find them very near to my own > practice, with perhaps one difference: that you are already more > fixed in practice. For me it is hard work and effort at the moment to > keep this focus and often I don't succeed. Then I start again from > the beginning and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Richard, Sincere thanks and appreciation for your valuable contribution -- in terms of words, insights and attitudes -- in making me look into myself. Raghu ===== Raghu Sankaran (718)-460-5666 Flushing, Queens New York NY 11355 Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Raghu, Wonderful. You took this exactly correctly. Looking into ego is, I think, always correct (as long as there is any ego to look into. If no ego, then the look is directly into the face of God, which is who you are.). We are Not two, Richard RamanaMaharshi, Raghu Sankaran <raghunathans> wrote: > Richard, > > Sincere thanks and appreciation for your valuable > contribution -- in terms of words, insights and > attitudes -- in making me look into myself. > > Raghu > > > > ===== > Raghu Sankaran > (718)-460-5666 > Flushing, Queens > New York NY 11355 > > > > Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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