Sadhana and Guru

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|| Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

 

The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle,

the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a

thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains

unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially.No wonder

spirituality has become a billion dollar business. Those who ride your miseries

and play with your problems while calling themselves your 'Guru' are becoming

richer every moment and enjoying your hard earned money at the fullest. The

advent of the world wide web has worsened the situation like never before.

Self-styled Gurus pop-up every now and then with their trendy websites

featuring eye-jacking stories of miracle. They would, probably, beat the best

salesman of this world in luring you with their 'divine'

solutions for your problems. Then, there are people like me who, being a victim

of their own 'out-of-control' urge for fame, read some books, visit some

websites, steal some stuff here and there; and start spreading their

'knowledge' to 'help' you out. The end result - DISASTER.First, we'll try to

understand sadhana. In the beginning, we would get rid of some wide spread

mis-conceptions about sadhana.1. Sadhana is not magic or a magic wand: If you

expect to get the unexpected through sadhana, if you are willing to witness

something very miraculous, if you are looking for quick-fix solutions to your

problems; sadhana is not for you. Let's understand it better. Suppose, you are

looking for a job, you have the required qualification, experience, skills etc.

and you wish to increase your chances of getting the job with sadhana; then yes,

within a few months, you'll be able to strengthen your luck. Yes, you read it

right. Months, not weeks, not days, not anything less. On the other hand, if

you are thinking that a little sadhana will make sure that you get whatever job

you wanted, no matter whether you are qualified for it or not; you are making a

fool of yourself. This just won't happen. If you read somewhere that "In 11

days or so (chanting around an hour a day), you'll succeed in 'this' sadhana

and will have everything at your disposal"; trust me, it was not meant for a

newbie.2. Sadhanas are not driven by emotions: One of the common (often wrong)

phrases, you can find on the web about sadhanas, is "Have true love for the

deity, open up your heart and you'll succeed in no time." Well, let me ask, how

can we 'open up' our hearts? Isn't that the job of a surgeon? Even in emotional

terms, it is not something easy to do. Most emotions are controlled by 'Anahat

Chakra',

located right behind your heart and fourth of the seven chankras of the

Kundalini. Awakening the first chakra is a tough task even for a seasoned

Sadhak, requiring months of rigorous sadhana; let alone the idea of awakening

the fourth chakra by a newbie. Furthermore, 'true love for a deity' is a very,

very high thing; something easier said than done. Please, don't compare it with

the love you may have for your girlfriend/boyfriend. Emotions do play a vital

role in sadhanas; but, they are not everything.3. Sadhana won't make you rich

overnight: Many believe that through sadhana, one can become the richest person

alive in just about no time. Yes, there are sadhanas that can make you rich

beyond reason; but, to reach that level of success, you'll have to perform

sadhana seriously for months, if not years. Even if you have the blessings of

the most powerful Guru, nothing would change overnight and nothing would happen

without work. In this money madness, you may

end up loosing the little you have to a pseudo guru.4. Sadhana is not a

mechanical process: Nowadays, a sort of mad rush for mantras is going on.

Message boards and mailboxes of a few (including me) are being stuffed with

mails saying "I have this problem. Give me a mantra for it.", "I want to chant

this mantra. Please, elaborate on the procedure.", "How can I perform this

sadhana. Please, explain with as much details as possible.", "I am starter and

I am in a hurry. Give me a mantra to succeed everywhere. But, keep in mind that

I can not chant for more than 5-10 minutes." and this can go on forever. People

think that they'll grab a mantra somewhere, chant it for a while and 'Voila' -

they'll be in Lady Luck's arms. Slow down, folks; I am sorry to wake you up;

but, these things don't work this way.Moreover, the sounds and rhythms contain

the strength of a mantra, not the words and characters. The web, books,

scriptures etc. can't give you those sounds

and rhythms; only and only an able Guru can.5. Not every sadhana is suitable for

you: And only an able Guru can tell you what's good for you and what's not.

Therefore, unless you are performing sadhana with a mantra given to you by your

Guru, you are dwelling in the fools' paradise, playing with a ticking

timebomb.6. Sadhana is a science. Neither bhakti nor superstition: There are

those who haven't yet dared to perform a sadhana; they ask whether a sadhana

really works and can it be proven through the laws of science; though, they

never perform one themselves and never consider the fact that the laws of an

inferior science, i.e. physics or mathematics etc., can't be used to prove the

much superior science of sadhanas. And, there are those who are lucky enough to

be able to perform a sadhana; yet aren't sure about the level of their success

because all of their efforts were directed towards begging God for mercy,

money, job, food etc. without realizing

their actual potential.Understanding SadhanaStill with me? Okay, here we go. The

word 'Sadhana' means 'training'. In this context, it means training the mind.

Our mind is a super power generator. It has everything required to create,

control and destroy the entire universe. But, unfortunately, even Albert

Einstein never used more than 5% of his mind's total potential. Then, most of

the little part of our potential, that we can access, is lost in useless

thoughts; thoughts of greed, lust, fear, ego and so on. Whatever remains, after

dealing with all negativities from bad karma, can only get us worries and

miseries; certainly, not the divinity that we deserve. The only difference

between humans and gods is the available amount of mind's power.There are many

ways of increasing the available amount of mind's power. Mantra Sadhana is one

of them. The idea is to get rid of all futile thoughts and converge all

energies on a single point, a single will that

you wish to accomplish. Only this way, your sadhana can be successful. This is

why many believe that God is within us. How many of you remember, "Om

Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat Purnamudachyate. Purnasya Purnamadaya

Purnamevaavashishyate."?The sole goal of a Sadhak (the one who performs

sadhana) is to train the mind and the body to access as much of the mind's

power as possible; to lead the life to completeness. In the end, sadhana is

essentially a battle between (imperfect) you and your (perfect) self. As a

Sadhak, who is lucky enough to be a disciple of the best Guru of all times, I

feel, the roadmap to success in sadhana should be:i: Get rid of as much

negativities as possible. Give up, if you haven't already, all bad habits

including, but not limited to, smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs (This is for

junkies, not for those who have a medical condition), eating non-veg food,

gambling, sexual relations with anyone other

than your spouse and being too much inclined towards sex.ii: Give up laziness;

be active. Rise early and go to bed early. Give up impatience; be consistent.

Eat healthy; stay fit. Only an active and healthy body can have a powerful

mind. Exercise regularly; it facilitates an even flow of energy through out the

body and helps you perform a longer sadhanas by breaking physical barriers.

Every Sadhak must have some sort of physical training routine to prevent sore

bodyparts from being obstacles in sadhana. It could be anything; weight

training, yog, aerobics, running, swimming, dancing, anything.iii: Conserve

your energies. Stop worrying; your worries would only make the situation worse.

Take charge of your thoughts. Stop emotional outbursts; limit your anger,

laughter, sorrow etc. Get rid of greed, lust, fear and ego. Make

self-evaluation and self-correction your daily routine.iv: Our mind is like a

huge pitcher which is full of water, but,

has a lot of holes with thoughts flowing in every direction. Sealing all holes

but one is a very, very difficult task. Chanting the Gayatri Mantra for an hour

before or at sunrise everyday would be a great help. The Gayatri Mantra may not

show results unless you chant it regularly for a few months.v: Chant the

Chetana Mantra for, at least, an hour every day. It increases your energy

levels by many folds and prepares you for success in all sadhanas.vi: Chant the

Guru Mantra, at least, 1100 times every morning. It creates an active connection

between you and your Guru; protects you from all sorts of trouble; and leads you

to success in every aspect of life. If you don't have a Guru yet, it makes sure

that you get to your Guru as soon as possible.I know, for many of you, the

above mentioned things are impractical and impossible; but, they are not. If I

can, why can't you? You certainly can and I am sure, you will.

 

I believe, many of you have very well understood 'Sadhana'. If you are amongst

those, read on; you may soon be on your way to success in your own sadhana. If

you are not, you are wasting your time reading this.Who is a Guru?To explain

this better, I searched the word 'Guru' at Dictionary.Com and found the

following meanings:

A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.

A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.

A recognized leader in a field like the guru of high finance.

An expert.

In terms of Sadhana and Mantra, a Guru is the one who has reached the highest

level in a sadhana that you wish to learn; who knows everything about that

sadhana including the secrets of success and the causes of failure; who can

guide your towards the path leading to the highest level.Why do I need a Guru?

I can pick a mantra from a book or a website, chant it and succeed on my

own?Oh, really? Then, why did you go to school? Why everyone goes to school

from their early childhood? Anyone can buy books and everyone buys books

anyway? If you are serious about Sadhanas, you need a Guru for the same reason

you needed to go to school. Moreover, there are many aspects of Sadhanas that

only an able Guru can teach you. There are plenty of Sadhanas, if not all, in

which even a slight mistake can result in your death.How do I

find a Guru?You can't. A Sadhana is not a quick-fix solution to puny little

problems of daily life. If you are not looking for a Guru who would get

everything for you in no time while you'll sit back and enjoy a comfortable

life for free, then an able Guru would find you. Furthermore, meeting a Guru is

a natural process and you should never let anything; any person, any

advertisement, any need, any desire, any temptation; influence it. If you are

worthy, you would, certainly, be found by your Guru.I feel, my Guru is selling

mantras for his/her own food / worldly comforts.Then, you should immediately

leave such a Guru. The basis of Guru - Disciple relationship is trust. Either

you must trust your Guru or you must leave your Guru - simple! Let me ask you

something. Didn't you pay your teacher when you were in school? Don't you pay

your doctor for treating you? Doesn't your employer / client pay you? If the

answer to any of these questions is 'YES'

then why do you expect the Guru to be an exception? 'Guru Dakshina' (fee paid to

the Guru for his/her teachings) is an age old tradition. 'FREE' is not the

criteria that separates the real Gurus from the rest.Have you ever thought, why

is the Guru considered higher than the God? Not because the Guru can get you to

the God and not because you can get plenty of 'out of this world' powers

through the Guru; but, because of the love you can get from your Guru. Your

parents love you; your brothers, sisters, friends, husbands, wives and children

love you; but none of them can second the Guru in loving you. Whenever you are

hurt, your Guru feels the pain more than you. Your Guru can even give his/her

life to save yours. And what you do in return? You leave everything to your

Guru and call it 'complete surrender' (which, surely, is a bad idea). You say,

I want this, I want that and I want everything right now. Since what you want

is different from what you really need, you may not

always get what you want. And when this happens, you straightly declare your

Guru a fraud which increases your bad karma and drastically decreases your

chances of success. Let me tell you a story. A few days ago, in another group,

a person posted something like this: "I request all members to send their age,

sex, location, name and anubhuti (divine experience) so that I can develop

faith". "What a pity", I thought. Here, on the web, we all are just IDs, not

even names. We don't know each other, we probably will never know each other,

in most cases, we can't see or hear each other, we can't touch each other while

our Guru is a live person standing in front of us whom we can see, touch and

hear. Yet, a person needs testimonies from unknown IDs to have faith in his/her

Guru.Have faith in yourself. Learn to trust your Guru. Let your conscience be

your judge. Only then, you can be successful in any Sadhana. Only then, you can

be successful in your life. Only then, you can be

complete and break out of the Life-Death Cycle.

 

Last, but not the least, a lot of good wishes and a huge amount of positive

energy for Anu. Although, I have already conveyed my them through a personal

mail, I thought, it would be a good idea to repeat it here. May god bless my

over-emotional sister with success in every wake of life.

 

Anu, I hope you wouldn't mind a bit of advise from a spiritually inferior

brother. We all love you; all our best wishes are with you; but, when would you

start loving yourself? When are you going to have your own good wishes? If I

have crossed my limits, please forgive me like a mother.

 

May Guruji bless you all with health and happiness.

 

Ashish...

 

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|| Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

 

The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle,

the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a

thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains

unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially.No wonder

spirituality has become a billion dollar business. Those who ride your miseries

and play with your problems while calling themselves your 'Guru' are becoming

richer every moment and enjoying your hard earned money at the fullest. The

advent of the world wide web has worsened the situation like never before.

Self-styled Gurus pop-up every now and then with their trendy websites

featuring eye-jacking stories of miracle. They would, probably, beat the best

salesman of this world in luring you with their 'divine'

solutions for your problems. Then, there are people like me who, being a victim

of their own 'out-of-control' urge for fame, read some books, visit some

websites, steal some stuff here and there; and start spreading their

'knowledge' to 'help' you out. The end result - DISASTER.First, we'll try to

understand sadhana. In the beginning, we would get rid of some wide spread

mis-conceptions about sadhana.1. Sadhana is not magic or a magic wand: If you

expect to get the unexpected through sadhana, if you are willing to witness

something very miraculous, if you are looking for quick-fix solutions to your

problems; sadhana is not for you. Let's understand it better. Suppose, you are

looking for a job, you have the required qualification, experience, skills etc.

and you wish to increase your chances of getting the job with sadhana; then yes,

within a few months, you'll be able to strengthen your luck. Yes, you read it

right. Months, not weeks, not days, not anything less. On the other hand, if

you are thinking that a little sadhana will make sure that you get whatever job

you wanted, no matter whether you are qualified for it or not; you are making a

fool of yourself. This just won't happen. If you read somewhere that "In 11

days or so (chanting around an hour a day), you'll succeed in 'this' sadhana

and will have everything at your disposal"; trust me, it was not meant for a

newbie.2. Sadhanas are not driven by emotions: One of the common (often wrong)

phrases, you can find on the web about sadhanas, is "Have true love for the

deity, open up your heart and you'll succeed in no time." Well, let me ask, how

can we 'open up' our hearts? Isn't that the job of a surgeon? Even in emotional

terms, it is not something easy to do. Most emotions are controlled by 'Anahat

Chakra',

located right behind your heart and fourth of the seven chankras of the

Kundalini. Awakening the first chakra is a tough task even for a seasoned

Sadhak, requiring months of rigorous sadhana; let alone the idea of awakening

the fourth chakra by a newbie. Furthermore, 'true love for a deity' is a very,

very high thing; something easier said than done. Please, don't compare it with

the love you may have for your girlfriend/boyfriend. Emotions do play a vital

role in sadhanas; but, they are not everything.3. Sadhana won't make you rich

overnight: Many believe that through sadhana, one can become the richest person

alive in just about no time. Yes, there are sadhanas that can make you rich

beyond reason; but, to reach that level of success, you'll have to perform

sadhana seriously for months, if not years. Even if you have the blessings of

the most powerful Guru, nothing would change overnight and nothing would happen

without work. In this money madness, you may

end up loosing the little you have to a pseudo guru.4. Sadhana is not a

mechanical process: Nowadays, a sort of mad rush for mantras is going on.

Message boards and mailboxes of a few (including me) are being stuffed with

mails saying "I have this problem. Give me a mantra for it.", "I want to chant

this mantra. Please, elaborate on the procedure.", "How can I perform this

sadhana. Please, explain with as much details as possible.", "I am starter and

I am in a hurry. Give me a mantra to succeed everywhere. But, keep in mind that

I can not chant for more than 5-10 minutes." and this can go on forever. People

think that they'll grab a mantra somewhere, chant it for a while and 'Voila' -

they'll be in Lady Luck's arms. Slow down, folks; I am sorry to wake you up;

but, these things don't work this way.Moreover, the sounds and rhythms contain

the strength of a mantra, not the words and characters. The web, books,

scriptures etc. can't give you those sounds

and rhythms; only and only an able Guru can.5. Not every sadhana is suitable for

you: And only an able Guru can tell you what's good for you and what's not.

Therefore, unless you are performing sadhana with a mantra given to you by your

Guru, you are dwelling in the fools' paradise, playing with a ticking

timebomb.6. Sadhana is a science. Neither bhakti nor superstition: There are

those who haven't yet dared to perform a sadhana; they ask whether a sadhana

really works and can it be proven through the laws of science; though, they

never perform one themselves and never consider the fact that the laws of an

inferior science, i.e. physics or mathematics etc., can't be used to prove the

much superior science of sadhanas. And, there are those who are lucky enough to

be able to perform a sadhana; yet aren't sure about the level of their success

because all of their efforts were directed towards begging God for mercy,

money, job, food etc. without realizing

their actual potential.Understanding SadhanaStill with me? Okay, here we go. The

word 'Sadhana' means 'training'. In this context, it means training the mind.

Our mind is a super power generator. It has everything required to create,

control and destroy the entire universe. But, unfortunately, even Albert

Einstein never used more than 5% of his mind's total potential. Then, most of

the little part of our potential, that we can access, is lost in useless

thoughts; thoughts of greed, lust, fear, ego and so on. Whatever remains, after

dealing with all negativities from bad karma, can only get us worries and

miseries; certainly, not the divinity that we deserve. The only difference

between humans and gods is the available amount of mind's power.There are many

ways of increasing the available amount of mind's power. Mantra Sadhana is one

of them. The idea is to get rid of all futile thoughts and converge all

energies on a single point, a single will that

you wish to accomplish. Only this way, your sadhana can be successful. This is

why many believe that God is within us. How many of you remember, "Om

Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat Purnamudachyate. Purnasya Purnamadaya

Purnamevaavashishyate."?The sole goal of a Sadhak (the one who performs

sadhana) is to train the mind and the body to access as much of the mind's

power as possible; to lead the life to completeness. In the end, sadhana is

essentially a battle between (imperfect) you and your (perfect) self. As a

Sadhak, who is lucky enough to be a disciple of the best Guru of all times, I

feel, the roadmap to success in sadhana should be:i: Get rid of as much

negativities as possible. Give up, if you haven't already, all bad habits

including, but not limited to, smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs (This is for

junkies, not for those who have a medical condition), eating non-veg food,

gambling, sexual relations with anyone other

than your spouse and being too much inclined towards sex.ii: Give up laziness;

be active. Rise early and go to bed early. Give up impatience; be consistent.

Eat healthy; stay fit. Only an active and healthy body can have a powerful

mind. Exercise regularly; it facilitates an even flow of energy through out the

body and helps you perform a longer sadhanas by breaking physical barriers.

Every Sadhak must have some sort of physical training routine to prevent sore

bodyparts from being obstacles in sadhana. It could be anything; weight

training, yog, aerobics, running, swimming, dancing, anything.iii: Conserve

your energies. Stop worrying; your worries would only make the situation worse.

Take charge of your thoughts. Stop emotional outbursts; limit your anger,

laughter, sorrow etc. Get rid of greed, lust, fear and ego. Make

self-evaluation and self-correction your daily routine.iv: Our mind is like a

huge pitcher which is full of water, but,

has a lot of holes with thoughts flowing in every direction. Sealing all holes

but one is a very, very difficult task. Chanting the Gayatri Mantra for an hour

before or at sunrise everyday would be a great help. The Gayatri Mantra may not

show results unless you chant it regularly for a few months.v: Chant the

Chetana Mantra for, at least, an hour every day. It increases your energy

levels by many folds and prepares you for success in all sadhanas.vi: Chant the

Guru Mantra, at least, 1100 times every morning. It creates an active connection

between you and your Guru; protects you from all sorts of trouble; and leads you

to success in every aspect of life. If you don't have a Guru yet, it makes sure

that you get to your Guru as soon as possible.I know, for many of you, the

above mentioned things are impractical and impossible; but, they are not. If I

can, why can't you? You certainly can and I am sure, you will.

 

I believe, many of you have very well understood 'Sadhana'. If you are amongst

those, read on; you may soon be on your way to success in your own sadhana. If

you are not, you are wasting your time reading this.Who is a Guru?To explain

this better, I searched the word 'Guru' at Dictionary.Com and found the

following meanings:

A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.

A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.

A recognized leader in a field like the guru of high finance.

An expert.

In terms of Sadhana and Mantra, a Guru is the one who has reached the highest

level in a sadhana that you wish to learn; who knows everything about that

sadhana including the secrets of success and the causes of failure; who can

guide your towards the path leading to the highest level.Why do I need a Guru?

I can pick a mantra from a book or a website, chant it and succeed on my

own?Oh, really? Then, why did you go to school? Why everyone goes to school

from their early childhood? Anyone can buy books and everyone buys books

anyway? If you are serious about Sadhanas, you need a Guru for the same reason

you needed to go to school. Moreover, there are many aspects of Sadhanas that

only an able Guru can teach you. There are plenty of Sadhanas, if not all, in

which even a slight mistake can result in your death.How do I

find a Guru?You can't. A Sadhana is not a quick-fix solution to puny little

problems of daily life. If you are not looking for a Guru who would get

everything for you in no time while you'll sit back and enjoy a comfortable

life for free, then an able Guru would find you. Furthermore, meeting a Guru is

a natural process and you should never let anything; any person, any

advertisement, any need, any desire, any temptation; influence it. If you are

worthy, you would, certainly, be found by your Guru.I feel, my Guru is selling

mantras for his/her own food / worldly comforts.Then, you should immediately

leave such a Guru. The basis of Guru - Disciple relationship is trust. Either

you must trust your Guru or you must leave your Guru - simple! Let me ask you

something. Didn't you pay your teacher when you were in school? Don't you pay

your doctor for treating you? Doesn't your employer / client pay you? If the

answer to any of these questions is 'YES'

then why do you expect the Guru to be an exception? 'Guru Dakshina' (fee paid to

the Guru for his/her teachings) is an age old tradition. 'FREE' is not the

criteria that separates the real Gurus from the rest.Have you ever thought, why

is the Guru considered higher than the God? Not because the Guru can get you to

the God and not because you can get plenty of 'out of this world' powers

through the Guru; but, because of the love you can get from your Guru. Your

parents love you; your brothers, sisters, friends, husbands, wives and children

love you; but none of them can second the Guru in loving you. Whenever you are

hurt, your Guru feels the pain more than you. Your Guru can even give his/her

life to save yours. And what you do in return? You leave everything to your

Guru and call it 'complete surrender' (which, surely, is a bad idea). You say,

I want this, I want that and I want everything right now. Since what you want

is different from what you really need, you may not

always get what you want. And when this happens, you straightly declare your

Guru a fraud which increases your bad karma and drastically decreases your

chances of success. Let me tell you a story. A few days ago, in another group,

a person posted something like this: "I request all members to send their age,

sex, location, name and anubhuti (divine experience) so that I can develop

faith". "What a pity", I thought. Here, on the web, we all are just IDs, not

even names. We don't know each other, we probably will never know each other,

in most cases, we can't see or hear each other, we can't touch each other while

our Guru is a live person standing in front of us whom we can see, touch and

hear. Yet, a person needs testimonies from unknown IDs to have faith in his/her

Guru.Have faith in yourself. Learn to trust your Guru. Let your conscience be

your judge. Only then, you can be successful in any Sadhana. Only then, you can

be successful in your life. Only then, you can be

complete and break out of the Life-Death Cycle.

 

Last, but not the least, a lot of good wishes and a huge amount of positive

energy for Anu. Although, I have already conveyed my them through a personal

mail, I thought, it would be a good idea to repeat it here. May god bless my

over-emotional sister with success in every wake of life.

 

Anu, I hope you wouldn't mind a bit of advise from a spiritually inferior

brother. We all love you; all our best wishes are with you; but, when would you

start loving yourself? When are you going to have your own good wishes? If I

have crossed my limits, please forgive me like a mother.

 

May Guruji bless you all with health and happiness.

 

Ashish...

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Well said Ashish! Thanks for the valuable information for us brothers!

It is true and correct. I don't know how long you have been Gurudev's

disciple, but by the way, did you notice, after Gurudev shed off his

mortal frame, many of his disciples became full fledged gurus in

various parts of India and even abroad conducting shivirs, giving

sadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even giving Shaktipaat

dikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them personally and some came

even after me. They are talented people, and are spreading good

information but would become self proclaimed Gurus? I never thought...

 

Not only this, a lot of people, who just used to give lectures and

read stories from scriptures now have started conducting sadhna camps

and giving shaktipaat dikshaas too!! Indeed the Pseudo-Guru business

is flourishing!

Hope at least some of them are doing practical good!

 

Nitesh

 

 

 

, pvd72 <pvd72> wrote:

> Nice to get your emails!! The website was closed for a long time. Is

it now ongoing???

>

>

> Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti> wrote:

> || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

>

>

>

> The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve

the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to

one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the

original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will

multiply exponentially...........

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

Can I know what the Chetana Mantra is and whats the correct method of

chanting it? Also what is a guru mantra and which one should one

chant for spiritual Oneness. I am not looking for any kindof material

gains. I am in search of ME. Can someone please guide me?

 

D

 

|| Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

[Guest guest]

Your lengthly answers to all questions is an eye opener to all Sadhakas

 

Thanks,

Gopala pvd72 <pvd72 > wrote:

Nice to get your emails!! The website was closed for a long time. Is it now

ongoing???Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti > wrote:

|| Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

 

The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve the puzzle,

the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to one question and a

thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the original question remains

unanswered. Try further and the web will multiply exponentially.No wonder

spirituality has become a billion dollar business. Those who ride your miseries

and play with your problems while calling themselves your 'Guru' are becoming

richer every moment and enjoying your hard earned money at the fullest. The

advent of the world wide web has worsened the situation like never before.

Self-styled Gurus pop-up every now and then with their trendy websites

featuring eye-jacking stories of miracle. They would, probably, beat the best

salesman of this world in luring you with their 'divine'

solutions for your problems. Then, there are people like me who, being a victim

of their own 'out-of-control' urge for fame, read some books, visit some

websites, steal some stuff here and there; and start spreading their

'knowledge' to 'help' you out. The end result - DISASTER.First, we'll try to

understand sadhana. In the beginning, we would get rid of some wide spread

mis-conceptions about sadhana.1. Sadhana is not magic or a magic wand: If you

expect to get the unexpected through sadhana, if you are willing to witness

something very miraculous, if you are looking for quick-fix solutions to your

problems; sadhana is not for you. Let's understand it better. Suppose, you are

looking for a job, you have the required qualification, experience, skills etc.

and you wish to increase your chances of getting the job with sadhana; then yes,

within a few months, you'll be able to strengthen your luck. Yes, you read it

right. Months, not weeks, not days, not anything less. On the other hand, if

you are thinking that a little sadhana will make sure that you get whatever job

you wanted, no matter whether you are qualified for it or not; you are making a

fool of yourself. This just won't happen. If you read somewhere that "In 11

days or so (chanting around an hour a day), you'll succeed in 'this' sadhana

and will have everything at your disposal"; trust me, it was not meant for a

newbie.2. Sadhanas are not driven by emotions: One of the common (often wrong)

phrases, you can find on the web about sadhanas, is "Have true love for the

deity, open up your heart and you'll succeed in no time." Well, let me ask, how

can we 'open up' our hearts? Isn't that the job of a surgeon? Even in emotional

terms, it is not something easy to do. Most emotions are controlled by 'Anahat

Chakra',

located right behind your heart and fourth of the seven chankras of the

Kundalini. Awakening the first chakra is a tough task even for a seasoned

Sadhak, requiring months of rigorous sadhana; let alone the idea of awakening

the fourth chakra by a newbie. Furthermore, 'true love for a deity' is a very,

very high thing; something easier said than done. Please, don't compare it with

the love you may have for your girlfriend/boyfriend. Emotions do play a vital

role in sadhanas; but, they are not everything.3. Sadhana won't make you rich

overnight: Many believe that through sadhana, one can become the richest person

alive in just about no time. Yes, there are sadhanas that can make you rich

beyond reason; but, to reach that level of success, you'll have to perform

sadhana seriously for months, if not years. Even if you have the blessings of

the most powerful Guru, nothing would change overnight and nothing would happen

without work. In this money madness, you may

end up loosing the little you have to a pseudo guru.4. Sadhana is not a

mechanical process: Nowadays, a sort of mad rush for mantras is going on.

Message boards and mailboxes of a few (including me) are being stuffed with

mails saying "I have this problem. Give me a mantra for it.", "I want to chant

this mantra. Please, elaborate on the procedure.", "How can I perform this

sadhana. Please, explain with as much details as possible.", "I am starter and

I am in a hurry. Give me a mantra to succeed everywhere. But, keep in mind that

I can not chant for more than 5-10 minutes." and this can go on forever. People

think that they'll grab a mantra somewhere, chant it for a while and 'Voila' -

they'll be in Lady Luck's arms. Slow down, folks; I am sorry to wake you up;

but, these things don't work this way.Moreover, the sounds and rhythms contain

the strength of a mantra, not the words and characters. The web, books,

scriptures etc. can't give you those sounds

and rhythms; only and only an able Guru can.5. Not every sadhana is suitable for

you: And only an able Guru can tell you what's good for you and what's not.

Therefore, unless you are performing sadhana with a mantra given to you by your

Guru, you are dwelling in the fools' paradise, playing with a ticking

timebomb.6. Sadhana is a science. Neither bhakti nor superstition: There are

those who haven't yet dared to perform a sadhana; they ask whether a sadhana

really works and can it be proven through the laws of science; though, they

never perform one themselves and never consider the fact that the laws of an

inferior science, i.e. physics or mathematics etc., can't be used to prove the

much superior science of sadhanas. And, there are those who are lucky enough to

be able to perform a sadhana; yet aren't sure about the level of their success

because all of their efforts were directed towards begging God for mercy,

money, job, food etc. without realizing

their actual potential.Understanding SadhanaStill with me? Okay, here we go. The

word 'Sadhana' means 'training'. In this context, it means training the mind.

Our mind is a super power generator. It has everything required to create,

control and destroy the entire universe. But, unfortunately, even Albert

Einstein never used more than 5% of his mind's total potential. Then, most of

the little part of our potential, that we can access, is lost in useless

thoughts; thoughts of greed, lust, fear, ego and so on. Whatever remains, after

dealing with all negativities from bad karma, can only get us worries and

miseries; certainly, not the divinity that we deserve. The only difference

between humans and gods is the available amount of mind's power.There are many

ways of increasing the available amount of mind's power. Mantra Sadhana is one

of them. The idea is to get rid of all futile thoughts and converge all

energies on a single point, a single will that

you wish to accomplish. Only this way, your sadhana can be successful. This is

why many believe that God is within us. How many of you remember, "Om

Purnamadah Purnamidam Purnat Purnamudachyate. Purnasya Purnamadaya

Purnamevaavashishyate."?The sole goal of a Sadhak (the one who performs

sadhana) is to train the mind and the body to access as much of the mind's

power as possible; to lead the life to completeness. In the end, sadhana is

essentially a battle between (imperfect) you and your (perfect) self. As a

Sadhak, who is lucky enough to be a disciple of the best Guru of all times, I

feel, the roadmap to success in sadhana should be:i: Get rid of as much

negativities as possible. Give up, if you haven't already, all bad habits

including, but not limited to, smoking, drinking alcohol, drugs (This is for

junkies, not for those who have a medical condition), eating non-veg food,

gambling, sexual relations with anyone other

than your spouse and being too much inclined towards sex.ii: Give up laziness;

be active. Rise early and go to bed early. Give up impatience; be consistent.

Eat healthy; stay fit. Only an active and healthy body can have a powerful

mind. Exercise regularly; it facilitates an even flow of energy through out the

body and helps you perform a longer sadhanas by breaking physical barriers.

Every Sadhak must have some sort of physical training routine to prevent sore

bodyparts from being obstacles in sadhana. It could be anything; weight

training, yog, aerobics, running, swimming, dancing, anything.iii: Conserve

your energies. Stop worrying; your worries would only make the situation worse.

Take charge of your thoughts. Stop emotional outbursts; limit your anger,

laughter, sorrow etc. Get rid of greed, lust, fear and ego. Make

self-evaluation and self-correction your daily routine.iv: Our mind is like a

huge pitcher which is full of water, but,

has a lot of holes with thoughts flowing in every direction. Sealing all holes

but one is a very, very difficult task. Chanting the Gayatri Mantra for an hour

before or at sunrise everyday would be a great help. The Gayatri Mantra may not

show results unless you chant it regularly for a few months.v: Chant the

Chetana Mantra for, at least, an hour every day. It increases your energy

levels by many folds and prepares you for success in all sadhanas.vi: Chant the

Guru Mantra, at least, 1100 times every morning. It creates an active connection

between you and your Guru; protects you from all sorts of trouble; and leads you

to success in every aspect of life. If you don't have a Guru yet, it makes sure

that you get to your Guru as soon as possible.I know, for many of you, the

above mentioned things are impractical and impossible; but, they are not. If I

can, why can't you? You certainly can and I am sure, you will.

 

I believe, many of you have very well understood 'Sadhana'. If you are amongst

those, read on; you may soon be on your way to success in your own sadhana. If

you are not, you are wasting your time reading this.Who is a Guru?To explain

this better, I searched the word 'Guru' at Dictionary.Com and found the

following meanings:

A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters.

A trusted counselor and adviser; a mentor.

A recognized leader in a field like the guru of high finance.

An expert.

In terms of Sadhana and Mantra, a Guru is the one who has reached the highest

level in a sadhana that you wish to learn; who knows everything about that

sadhana including the secrets of success and the causes of failure; who can

guide your towards the path leading to the highest level.Why do I need a Guru?

I can pick a mantra from a book or a website, chant it and succeed on my

own?Oh, really? Then, why did you go to school? Why everyone goes to school

from their early childhood? Anyone can buy books and everyone buys books

anyway? If you are serious about Sadhanas, you need a Guru for the same reason

you needed to go to school. Moreover, there are many aspects of Sadhanas that

only an able Guru can teach you. There are plenty of Sadhanas, if not all, in

which even a slight mistake can result in your death.How do I

find a Guru?You can't. A Sadhana is not a quick-fix solution to puny little

problems of daily life. If you are not looking for a Guru who would get

everything for you in no time while you'll sit back and enjoy a comfortable

life for free, then an able Guru would find you. Furthermore, meeting a Guru is

a natural process and you should never let anything; any person, any

advertisement, any need, any desire, any temptation; influence it. If you are

worthy, you would, certainly, be found by your Guru.I feel, my Guru is selling

mantras for his/her own food / worldly comforts.Then, you should immediately

leave such a Guru. The basis of Guru - Disciple relationship is trust. Either

you must trust your Guru or you must leave your Guru - simple! Let me ask you

something. Didn't you pay your teacher when you were in school? Don't you pay

your doctor for treating you? Doesn't your employer / client pay you? If the

answer to any of these questions is 'YES'

then why do you expect the Guru to be an exception? 'Guru Dakshina' (fee paid to

the Guru for his/her teachings) is an age old tradition. 'FREE' is not the

criteria that separates the real Gurus from the rest.Have you ever thought, why

is the Guru considered higher than the God? Not because the Guru can get you to

the God and not because you can get plenty of 'out of this world' powers

through the Guru; but, because of the love you can get from your Guru. Your

parents love you; your brothers, sisters, friends, husbands, wives and children

love you; but none of them can second the Guru in loving you. Whenever you are

hurt, your Guru feels the pain more than you. Your Guru can even give his/her

life to save yours. And what you do in return? You leave everything to your

Guru and call it 'complete surrender' (which, surely, is a bad idea). You say,

I want this, I want that and I want everything right now. Since what you want

is different from what you really need, you may not

always get what you want. And when this happens, you straightly declare your

Guru a fraud which increases your bad karma and drastically decreases your

chances of success. Let me tell you a story. A few days ago, in another group,

a person posted something like this: "I request all members to send their age,

sex, location, name and anubhuti (divine experience) so that I can develop

faith". "What a pity", I thought. Here, on the web, we all are just IDs, not

even names. We don't know each other, we probably will never know each other,

in most cases, we can't see or hear each other, we can't touch each other while

our Guru is a live person standing in front of us whom we can see, touch and

hear. Yet, a person needs testimonies from unknown IDs to have faith in his/her

Guru.Have faith in yourself. Learn to trust your Guru. Let your conscience be

your judge. Only then, you can be successful in any Sadhana. Only then, you can

be successful in your life. Only then, you can be

complete and break out of the Life-Death Cycle.

 

Last, but not the least, a lot of good wishes and a huge amount of positive

energy for Anu. Although, I have already conveyed my them through a personal

mail, I thought, it would be a good idea to repeat it here. May god bless my

over-emotional sister with success in every wake of life.

 

Anu, I hope you wouldn't mind a bit of advise from a spiritually inferior

brother. We all love you; all our best wishes are with you; but, when would you

start loving yourself? When are you going to have your own good wishes? If I

have crossed my limits, please forgive me like a mother.

 

May Guruji bless you all with health and happiness.

 

Ashish...

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Dear Nitesh

 

Guru Charan Vandana

 

You have rightly said that these so called gurus has created lot of confusion .

But feel that we people are facing problems because we want to get every thing

without doing any efforts . All us know that it takes 12 years to Swami Ram

Krishan Param Hase to get the darsan of Bhagwati kali ( Plz correct me if I am

wrong) with colossal amount of pains. So Rome was not built in a day.

 

The whole world is bounded by law of conservation. Energy / mass can never be

created nor be destroyed . If good luck has to appear then bed luck has to

go. To change the form of energy, an media is required . So we want to change

things then we have to use shadana as media with time, discipline, hard

working and faith as inputs to take good luck as out come. Now this can be

done individually or can be given by Guru through .

 

I think there is no other alternative to above.

 

Jai Guru Dev.

 

Das Guru Ka

 

Amrik Singhwritemail1 <writemail1 > wrote:

Well said Ashish! Thanks for the valuable information for us brothers!It is true

and correct. I don't know how long you have been Gurudev'sdisciple, but by the

way, did you notice, after Gurudev shed off hismortal frame, many of his

disciples became full fledged gurus invarious parts of India and even abroad

conducting shivirs, givingsadhnaas, publishing spiritual magazines and even

giving Shaktipaatdikshas?!! I'm amazed! I knew many of them personally and some

cameeven after me. They are talented people, and are spreading goodinformation

but would become self proclaimed Gurus? I never thought...Not only this, a lot

of people, who just used to give lectures andread stories from scriptures now

have started conducting sadhna campsand giving shaktipaat dikshaas too!! Indeed

the Pseudo-Guru businessis flourishing!Hope at

least some of them are doing practical good!Nitesh--- In

, pvd72 <pvd72> wrote:> Nice to get your emails!!

The website was closed for a long time. Isit now ongoing???> > > Tantra Shakti

<tantra_shakti> wrote:> || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||>

> > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solvethe

puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer toone question

and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, theoriginal question remains

unanswered. Try further and the web willmultiply exponentially...........Jay

Gurudev

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just expressing

my opinion.

 

I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or

having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in life

rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for

upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get rich

anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my passions

in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just

spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's entire

life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think this

kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self employed

or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who are

living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and

dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a

rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine

father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather

spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather than

spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the mantra

incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the Gods/Goddesses.

and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane.

 

More later. Somthing imp. came up.

 

 

 

, Tantra Shakti <tantra_shakti>

wrote:

>

> || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

>

>

>

> The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to solve

the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer to

one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes, the

original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will

multiply exponentially.....

>

[Guest guest]

I couldn;t resist but answer to this email.

 

all i want to say is good luck, my good wishes for you

sucessful professional and family life .. there are

different path to acheive 'happiness'. Nobody

should/could claim one is greater than other. Once

again I wish you successful life.

 

btw ... As far as thread Sadhana and Guru is

concerned; i think ashish did a wonderful job.

couldn't have asked for anything more. i have

bookmarked the mesg as classic mails.

 

Jay Gurudev.

 

May gurudev reside and guide each one of us.

 

Mithilesh

 

 

 

-- s_dipity <s_dipity wrote:

 

> I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am

> just expressing

> my opinion.

>

> I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my

> profession skills or

> having fun with my family or pursuing my personal

> pursuits in life

> rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work

> hard for

> upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better

> job and get rich

> anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy

> pursuing my passions

> in life and spending time with my family. Moreover

> it is not just

> spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to

> change one's entire

> life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I

> personally think this

> kind of routine is possible only for the people who

> are self employed

> or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder

> how people who are

> living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in

> the morning and

> dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can

> practise such a

> rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is

> the divine

> father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover

> I wld rather

> spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful

> mind rather than

> spending sleepless nights wondering that if I

> pronounce the mantra

> incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of

> the Gods/Goddesses.

> and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane.

>

> More later. Somthing imp. came up.

>

>

>

> , Tantra Shakti

> <tantra_shakti>

> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

> >

> >

> >

> > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder

> you try to solve

> the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try

> finding answer to

> one question and a thousand more will arise

> instantly; and yes, the

> original question remains unanswered. Try further

> and the web will

> multiply exponentially.....

> >

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard.

 

[Guest guest]

Jai Gurudev,

Just a couple of thoughts :

 

This is a free world, and you are free to spend one's time as one

deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill doesnot always

guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has a important

role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve your fate. You can

yourself see change in your fate line (and other lines) after doing

Sadhana for some time.

You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you have to start

adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that any other change

is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few hours to Sadhana,

just like you would devote time in a gym.

 

It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding job

like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a question of

better time management. Human body can do wonders if tried to

limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become stress-free. By

your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even find time to go

to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog.

 

You won't get any negativity if you do something wrong. Yes, Guruji

& God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath of Gods/Godesses,

or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by people who dd not

want to pursue this, and did not want others to do as well.

 

Thanks

Jai Gurudev

, "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote:

> I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just

expressing

> my opinion.

>

> I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or

> having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in life

> rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for

> upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get

rich

> anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my

passions

> in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just

> spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's entire

> life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think this

> kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self

employed

> or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who

are

> living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and

> dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a

> rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine

> father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather

> spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather

than

> spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the mantra

> incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the

Gods/Goddesses.

> and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane.

>

> More later. Somthing imp. came up.

>

>

>

> , Tantra Shakti

<tantra_shakti>

> wrote:

> >

> > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

> >

> >

> >

> > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to

solve

> the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding answer

to

> one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes,

the

> original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web will

> multiply exponentially.....

> >

[Guest guest]

Good piece!!!

--- desi_videshi <desi_videshi wrote:

 

> Jai Gurudev,

> Just a couple of thoughts :

>

> This is a free world, and you are free to spend

> one's time as one

> deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill

> doesnot always

> guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has

> a important

> role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve

> your fate. You can

> yourself see change in your fate line (and other

> lines) after doing

> Sadhana for some time.

> You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you

> have to start

> adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that

> any other change

> is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few

> hours to Sadhana,

> just like you would devote time in a gym.

>

> It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding

> job

> like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a

> question of

> better time management. Human body can do wonders if

> tried to

> limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become

> stress-free. By

> your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even

> find time to go

> to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog.

>

> You won't get any negativity if you do something

> wrong. Yes, Guruji

> & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath

> of Gods/Godesses,

> or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by

> people who dd not

> want to pursue this, and did not want others to do

> as well.

>

> Thanks

> Jai Gurudev

> , "s_dipity"

> <s_dipity> wrote:

> > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I

> am just

> expressing

> > my opinion.

> >

> > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my

> profession skills or

> > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal

> pursuits in life

> > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I

> work hard for

> > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a

> better job and get

> rich

> > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy

> pursuing my

> passions

> > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover

> it is not just

> > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to

> change one's entire

> > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I

> personally think this

> > kind of routine is possible only for the people

> who are self

> employed

> > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder

> how people who

> are

> > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in

> the morning and

> > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can

> practise such a

> > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is

> the divine

> > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian.

> Moreover I wld rather

> > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a

> peaceful mind rather

> than

> > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I

> pronounce the mantra

> > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of

> the

> Gods/Goddesses.

> > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane.

>

> >

> > More later. Somthing imp. came up.

> >

> >

> >

> > , Tantra Shakti

> <tantra_shakti>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The

> harder you try to

> solve

> > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery.

> Try finding answer

> to

> > one question and a thousand more will arise

> instantly; and yes,

> the

> > original question remains unanswered. Try further

> and the web will

> > multiply exponentially.....

> > >

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what would

be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap

3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of the

society or contributing to the mankind.

 

If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of action

that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont think

we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by performing

Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about

disturbing the Space/Time Continuum.

 

Gotta go.

 

later

 

 

 

 

, "desi_videshi" <desi_videshi>

wrote:

> Jai Gurudev,

> Just a couple of thoughts :

>

> This is a free world, and you are free to spend one's time as one

> deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill doesnot always

> guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has a important

> role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve your fate. You can

> yourself see change in your fate line (and other lines) after doing

> Sadhana for some time.

> You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you have to start

> adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that any other change

> is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few hours to Sadhana,

> just like you would devote time in a gym.

>

> It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding job

> like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a question of

> better time management. Human body can do wonders if tried to

> limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become stress-free. By

> your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even find time to go

> to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog.

>

> You won't get any negativity if you do something wrong. Yes, Guruji

> & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath of

Gods/Godesses,

> or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by people who dd not

> want to pursue this, and did not want others to do as well.

>

> Thanks

> Jai Gurudev

> , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote:

> > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just

> expressing

> > my opinion.

> >

> > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills or

> > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in

life

> > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for

> > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and get

> rich

> > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my

> passions

> > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not just

> > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's

entire

> > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think

this

> > kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self

> employed

> > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people who

> are

> > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning and

> > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise such a

> > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine

> > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld rather

> > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind rather

> than

> > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the

mantra

> > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the

> Gods/Goddesses.

> > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane.

> >

> > More later. Somthing imp. came up.

> >

> >

> >

> > , Tantra Shakti

> <tantra_shakti>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to

> solve

> > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding

answer

> to

> > one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and yes,

> the

> > original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web

will

> > multiply exponentially.....

> > >

[Guest guest]

---

Every karma including posting at needs to be viewed not as

an act in itself but examined for motives. Exactly, the same applies

to whether to perform sadhana or do whatever else anyone deems fit

with his time.

If the sadhana is for something like vashikaran then probably

learning a software tool is several times superior. Then, again back

to motives, many of us myself included perform sadhanas with motives

which are selfish –my job, my marriage, my mukti. In such a case

sadhana is neither superior nor inferior to learning a software

tool. It is just a different way of tackling the same issue. Usually

people who take up sadhana/Deeksha take it up because they want to

get the element of chance on their side. There is nothing wrong with

it-it is within the realm of dharma. But awareness should be there

that nothing done focussing on self takes us to the higher or the

supreme goal.

 

That reminds me how in panic I requested my gurubhais to send

positive energy to me. Many loving kind souls responded and I am

grateful for that. THAT is a superior karma. It equals charity done

with unselfish motives like when you see a hungry man and feed him.

Again, feeding a hungry man can be done with two different spirits –

daya and shraddha. Daya I am afraid places oneself on a higher

platter and reinforces ahamkaar. Shraddha (or service) take one away

from ego. So, rather than looking at the act, examine motives.

 

But there is one thing I wish to say karma can start with a lower

objective, but as time passes one can merge so much with the karma

that one forgets the motive that brought one there. This can happen

with almost anything. Sadhana started with some motive but then

coming to state where all you see is Ma, reading a book to pass an

exam and being absorbed in it, starting feeding crows for (say)

Saturn and then merging it with love for hungry birds and

restlessness until they are fed and a lot of etc etc etc

 

Having said this, I wish to propose something to our group. Let us

make it a rule that apart from chanting 4 mala of guru mantra for

ourselves, we will chant 4 mala for someone other that ourselves. I

borrow this idea from the Buddhism my sister practices and they have

many very beautiful things there. IF that is asking for too much,

let us just remember that daily we will pray for someone else. It

can be but, need not be a total stranger. We can chant/ pray for

someone other than ourselves. It can be an old relative, a friend in

misery or someone else we care for. Those capable of higher

objectives can even pray for peace in the world, send positive

energy to victims of a terrorist attack, or whatever else appeals.

 

My motives in suggesting this are again selfish for now, in praying

for others we are manufacturing doses of positive karma –punya for

ourselves which will help us in our own times of needs. Any takers?

I will start from tomorrow

 

Jai Gurudev

 

anu

 

 

In , "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote:

> I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just

expressing

> my opinion.

>

[Guest guest]

Jai Gurudev,

Please don't be a fatalist. You can change any kind of pre-ordained

destiny. If Vishwamitra could create a parallel universe, if

Sanjeevani-vidya could bring-dead-back-to-life, then changing fate

thru Sadhana is a child's plaything.

However, we can keep on talking about it (and wasting man hours in

the process), instead of actually spending time & effort to roll up

the sleeves and perform it. It is really your choice, either to

actually do something, or to stay negative (and spread negativity).

Jai Gurudev

, "s_dipity" <s_dipity> wrote:

>

> I really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what

would

> be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra

jaap

> 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of

the

> society or contributing to the mankind.

>

> If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of

action

> that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont

think

> we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by

performing

> Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about

> disturbing the Space/Time Continuum.

>

> Gotta go.

>

> later

>

>

>

>

> , "desi_videshi"

<desi_videshi>

> wrote:

> > Jai Gurudev,

> > Just a couple of thoughts :

> >

> > This is a free world, and you are free to spend one's time as

one

> > deems fit. However upgradation of professional skill doesnot

always

> > guarantee a better job and more money. Fate also has a important

> > role to play, and Performing Sadhana can improve your fate. You

can

> > yourself see change in your fate line (and other lines) after

doing

> > Sadhana for some time.

> > You only need to be pure to do Sadhanas. Plus you have to start

> > adhering to a strict schedule. I don't think that any other

change

> > is required in lifestyle. You just devote a few hours to

Sadhana,

> > just like you would devote time in a gym.

> >

> > It is pretty easy to do Sadhanas even in a demanding job

> > like "software engineering" or medicine. It is all a question of

> > better time management. Human body can do wonders if tried to

> > limits. Plus Sadhanas help one to relax, and become stress-free.

By

> > your logic, anyone living in metro area won't even find time to

go

> > to gym for a workout, or to go for a 30 minutes jog.

> >

> > You won't get any negativity if you do something wrong. Yes,

Guruji

> > & God are compassionate and full of mercy. "wrath of

> Gods/Godesses,

> > or becoming insane" are all myths propagated by people who dd

not

> > want to pursue this, and did not want others to do as well.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Jai Gurudev

> > , "s_dipity" <s_dipity>

wrote:

> > > I am not writing this to start any discussions, I am just

> > expressing

> > > my opinion.

> > >

> > > I'd rather spend 3 hrs every day upgraing my profession skills

or

> > > having fun with my family or pursuing my personal pursuits in

> life

> > > rather than doing a mantra jaap. I am sure if I work hard for

> > > upgrading my professional skills, I wld get a better job and

get

> > rich

> > > anyway. Also I wld feel more enriched and happy pursuing my

> > passions

> > > in life and spending time with my family. Moreover it is not

just

> > > spending 3 hrs every day doin jaap, one has to change one's

> entire

> > > life style every day for the 3 hours jaap. I personally think

> this

> > > kind of routine is possible only for the people who are self

> > employed

> > > or have a "not so demanding" job. I really wonder how people

who

> > are

> > > living in metro areas and start their day at 6 in the morning

and

> > > dont get to retire to bed till 11/12 at night can practise

such a

> > > rigorous ritual. Also I used to think that God is the divine

> > > father/mother not a strict disciplinarian. Moreover I wld

rather

> > > spend 10 mins in the company of God with a peaceful mind

rather

> > than

> > > spending sleepless nights wondering that if I pronounce the

> mantra

> > > incorrectly I may die sooner or face the wrath of the

> > Gods/Goddesses.

> > > and if I dont channel my energy I may go insane.

> > >

> > > More later. Somthing imp. came up.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Tantra Shakti

> > <tantra_shakti>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Om Param Tatvaay Narayanaay Gurubhyo Namah ||

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The world of sadhanas is very complex. The harder you try to

> > solve

> > > the puzzle, the deeper you sink in the mystery. Try finding

> answer

> > to

> > > one question and a thousand more will arise instantly; and

yes,

> > the

> > > original question remains unanswered. Try further and the web

> will

> > > multiply exponentially.....

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

Couldnt help answering this comment. Imagine a world where everyone pauses for 3

hours to just think about God, maybe not even the mantras or the japas. Just

imagine the hatred coming to a stop for 3 hours. When there is no hatred there

is love. Imagine pure love flowing across this world for 3 hours.

I'ed give anything for a 15 minute period, 3 hrs is way too much. Humankind

would have progressed so much more had humans learnt to stop for sometime. Look

around you and you will realise that we are no longer humans but machines. Wake

up, eat food, wear chlothes, work, come back, eat food, sleep. Maybe i am

missing a few steps. Its like a copy book flowchart i make while programming.

If only we can just pause for a moment to be aware. Just stop and listen. Being

a parrot and reciting the mantra might make miracles but anyone will tell you

that its the essence of the mantra that makes things possible. You make it

possible.

The power of belief is great.

Space/Time continum is something which we have no idea abt. for a universe

spanning billions and trillions of years we have been in existence for a few

thousand years. we do not even have a clue about it let alone understand it.

And even still it doesnt break our interpretation of the space/time continuum.

Energy and Matter just change forms. Just because we cannot comprehend all the

forms as of now doesnt mean they get broken.

We dont do Sadhana for material gains. If thats what u want, then just work and

earn money. There is scare few material needs that money cannot buy. But if you

want more from life and believe that life is not all about this robotic routine

we are stuck in then pause a few moments and realise that spending a little time

on our creator only makes things better.

You just have to believe.

D

 

Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:34:24 -0000

"s_dipity" <s_dipity

Re: Sadhana and Guru

 

 

I really wonder how many man hours we would be wasting and what would

be the fate of the world if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap

3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time in upliftment of the

society or contributing to the mankind.

 

If there is really something as a fate then it is a course of action

that has been determined by the divine power for us and I dont think

we should really try to interfere with the divine wish by performing

Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff. What about

disturbing the Space/Time Continuum.

 

Gotta go.

 

later

[Guest guest]

Jai Gurudev

Namaste Som,

 

How are you? It's been years since I read something from you. Are

you still in US?

 

As always, I completely agree with you. Like you, upgrading my

skills is my favourite entertainment. And believe me, my sadhana is

the most vital part of that upgradation. It helps me conserve my

energies, learn faster, understand better, think smarter and work

harder. I excercise for my physical fitness and I chant mantras for

my mental and spiritual fitness. I invest a few hours on sadhana and

get millions in return. Not a bad deal at all

 

> I really wonder how many man hours we would be

> wasting and what would be the fate of the world

> if the entire world starts doing mantra jaap

> 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the same time

> in upliftment of the society or contributing to

> the mankind.

 

Not more than what we waste on . Not more than what we

waste on stupid TV shows and pathetic movies.

 

> If there is really something as a fate then it is

> a course of action that has been determined by the

> divine power for us and I dont think we should really

> try to interfere with the divine wish by performing

> Sadhna's or doing astrological remedies and stuff.

 

Correct. Actually, we do also interfere with 'the divine wish' by

using medical remedies, staying away from the nature, disturbing the

eco-system, destroying jungles for our daily needs, creating

building, driving automobiles and a lot more. If we can live with

all the above mentioned things, we can certainly live with sadhanas.

Don't you agree?

 

Have a nice day, my friend.

 

Ashish... (Maybe, you'll remember 'Nikhilashish'. The same guy who

got bombarded with hate mails because someone thought you were me.)

[Guest guest]

weel said!

dedicating 3 hrs daily to God who in return gives us 24 hrs everyday seems to be a nice deal!

-

Danny

 

Monday, September 13, 2004 12:40 PM

Re: Sadhana and Guru

Namaste,Couldnt help answering this comment. Imagine a world where everyone

pauses for 3 hours to just think about God, maybe not even the mantras or the

japas. Just imagine the hatred coming to a stop for 3 hours. When there is no

hatred there is love. Imagine pure love flowing across this world for 3

hours.I'ed give anything for a 15 minute period, 3 hrs is way too much.

Humankind would have progressed so much more had humans learnt to stop for

sometime. Look around you and you will realise that we are no longer humans but

machines. Wake up, eat food, wear chlothes, work, come back, eat food, sleep.

Maybe i am missing a few steps. Its like a copy book flowchart i make while

programming.If only we can just pause for a moment to be aware. Just stop and

listen. Being a parrot and reciting the mantra might make miracles but anyone

will tell you that its the essence of the mantra that makes things possible.

You make it possible.The power of belief is great.Space/Time continum is

something which we have no idea abt. for a universe spanning billions and

trillions of years we have been in existence for a few thousand years. we do

not even have a clue about it let alone understand it.And even still it doesnt

break our interpretation of the space/time continuum. Energy and Matter just

change forms. Just because we cannot comprehend all the forms as of now doesnt

mean they get broken.We dont do Sadhana for material gains. If thats what u

want, then just work and earn money. There is scare few material needs that

money cannot buy. But if you want more from life and believe that life is not

all about this robotic routine we are stuck in then pause a few moments and

realise that spending a little time on our creator only makes things better.

You just have to believe.D Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:34:24 -0000

"s_dipity" <s_dipity >Re: Sadhana and GuruI really wonder how

many man hours we would be wasting and what would be the fate of the world if

the entire world starts doing mantra jaap 3 hrs a day rather than utilizing the

same time in upliftment of the society or contributing to the mankind. If there

is really something as a fate then it is a course of action that has been

determined by the divine power for us and I dont think we should really try to

interfere with the divine wish by performing Sadhna's or doing astrological

remedies and stuff. What about disturbing the Space/Time Continuum.Gotta

go.laterJay Gurudev