Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2003 Hi All, I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in Bhopal?Is he connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha on behalf of gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to him.Is it true ? Regards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2003 Jay Gurudev! I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed to give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticed many of them are doing so), they are not connected with gurudham. regards Mithilesh --- SACHIN <sachinjam wrote: > Hi All, > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in > Bhopal?Is he > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha > on behalf of > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to > him.Is it true ? > > Regards. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 22, 2003 Jay Gurudev!I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed togive diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticedmany of them are doing so), they are not connectedwith gurudham.regardsMithilesh--- SACHIN <sachinjam (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> Hi All,> > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in> Bhopal?Is he > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha> on behalf of > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to> him.Is it true ?> > Regards.> > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwareJay GurudevYour use of is subject to the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Jay Gurudev, I am 100% sure of what i have said. I will request gurubhais who have direct contact with gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all. regards Mithilesh --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003 wrote: > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. Shiva > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr. > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_> > wrote:Jay Gurudev! > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed to > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticed > many of them are doing so), they are not connected > with gurudham. > > regards > > Mithilesh > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha > > on behalf of > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to > > him.Is it true ? > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > > Sponsor > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer Diksha on the behalf of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address or email address of Sadhana Singh ? , Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> wrote: > Jay Gurudev, > > I am 100% sure of what i have said. > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact with > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all. > > regards > Mithilesh > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote: > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. Shiva > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr. > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> > > wrote:Jay Gurudev! > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed to > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticed > > many of them are doing so), they are not connected > > with gurudham. > > > > regards > > > > Mithilesh > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha > > > on behalf of > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to > > > him.Is it true ? > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Jay Gurudev!! you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But this thing has been made crytal clear time and again that only guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha on behalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you cud go through the same and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais who have acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humble person always ready to help gurubhais. That is really appreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhis doesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha on gurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must be elevated spiritually and may have powers to give diksha. But without the permission from gurudev or gurudham how can he or anybody else for that matter, can give diksha. Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you looking for quick fix to your problem or want to be his sishya. This was what gurudev had to say about his sishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible, unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my disciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali ). If some gurubhai can solve others problem, I feel and believe even we are capable of solving our problem. It only requires strong will power and faith. May be its going to take some time but if gurudev can give something to some xyz why not us. regards Mithilesh --- mool_np <mool_np wrote: > I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer > Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address > or email address > of Sadhana Singh ? > > , Mithilesh Kumar Das > > <mithilesh_das> wrote: > > Jay Gurudev, > > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said. > > > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact > with > > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all. > > > > regards > > Mithilesh > > > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote: > > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. > Shiva > > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr. > > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> > > > wrote:Jay Gurudev! > > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is > supposed to > > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have > noticed > > > many of them are doing so), they are not > connected > > > with gurudham. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Mithilesh > > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha > in > > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving > diksha > > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities > to > > > > him.Is it true ? > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > design software > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > design software > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy, etc. Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer. I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham. Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das > wrote: Jay Gurudev!!you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But thisthing has been made crytal clear time and again thatonly guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha onbehalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you cud go through thesame and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais whohave acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humbleperson always ready to help gurubhais. That is reallyappreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhisdoesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha ongurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must beelevated spiritually and may have powers to givediksha. But without the permission from gurudev orgurudham how can he or anybody else for that matter,can give diksha. Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you lookingfor quick fix to your problem or want to be hissishya. This was what gurudev had to say about hissishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible,unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for mydisciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali). If some gurubhai can solve othersproblem, I feel and believe even we are capable ofsolving our problem. It only requires strong willpower and faith. May be its going to take some timebut if gurudev can give something to some xyz why notus.regardsMithilesh --- mool_np <mool_np > wrote:> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer> Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address> or email address > of Sadhana Singh ?> > --- In , Mithilesh Kumar Das> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:> > Jay Gurudev,> > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.> > > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact> with> > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.> > > > regards> > Mithilesh> > > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.> Shiva> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.> > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>> > > wrote:Jay Gurudev!> > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is> supposed to> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have> noticed> > > many of them are doing so), they are not> connected> > > with gurudham.> > > > > > regards> > > > > > Mithilesh> > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:> > > > Hi All,> > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha> in> > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving> diksha> > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities> to> > > > him.Is it true ?> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site> > > design software> > > > > > > > > Groups Sponsor> > > > > > Jay Gurudev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the> > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site> > > design software> > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site> design software> > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design softwareJay GurudevYour use of is subject to the Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 23, 2003 Jay Gurudev!! > You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy, etc. I really appreciate the point which you have made. The tantras image was tarnished coz there was somebody to fix the problem just by paying money. And it degenerated to a point that tantras finds its usage with black magic. If you want a quick fix problem then I suggest you go to people who claims and does that for you. i believe this discussion list is not meant for keeping the database of those problem solvers. > I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. i doubt that... i have been to sivirs where people in excess of thousands were there and still gurudev could find some time to listen to my problem and bless me. may be you have to check that again. and yes i believe they do not post any messages or suggests anything on the net. if someone genuinely wants to meet them, they find a way to reach him. > If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham. i am sorry if you got that impression. this group is to discuss spirituality and sadhanas... not to use as medium to be used as propaganda. do you think this site sud be used to promote self styled gurus.. if yes ask moderator for poll.. if its ok for the group with the idea.. i promise never to 'criticize' anybody for doing so. Jay Gurudev Mithilesh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2003 I have been thinking about this issue of giving dikshaas. I guess let's leave people to their discretion as to whom they want to approach. If they are following wrong path they will realise soon but if they are right then their is nothing to worry about. Let these things be tested by time. Lets worry about how to move forward on spiritual path. Fighting on who is authorised and who not kills our precious time and is no good to us. None of us know the Big Picture. SSSS - I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. Well u r definitely right. I guess many of the elevated disciples are not familiar with computers and i guess it would be very costly for them to get connected via Email. But yes Gurudham can do it. Till 1 or 2 years back they used to reply to the queries. I used to get a reply from Gurudham by both an email as well as a postal letter. Not sure what has happened of lately. I guess the work load at Gurudham has increased and they might be needing volunteers for help. If some of you are in Delhi and Jodhpur try to enquire as to can you give a helping hand to Gurudham. Jai Gurudev, Anurag SSSS KKK [n1s1a12003 ]Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: Diksha in bhopal Dear Mithilesh, You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy, etc. Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer. I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham. Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das > wrote: Jay Gurudev!!you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But thisthing has been made crytal clear time and again thatonly guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha onbehalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you cud go through thesame and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais whohave acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humbleperson always ready to help gurubhais. That is reallyappreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhisdoesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha ongurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must beelevated spiritually and may have powers to givediksha. But without the permission from gurudev orgurudham how can he or anyb! ody else for that matter,can give diksha. Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you lookingfor quick fix to your problem or want to be hissishya. This was what gurudev had to say about hissishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible,unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for mydisciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali). If some gurubhai can solve othersproblem, I feel and believe even we are capable ofsolving our problem. It only requires strong willpower and faith. May be its going to take some timebut if gurudev can give something to some xyz why notus.regardsMithilesh --- mool_np <mool_np > wrote:> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer> Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address> or email address > of Sadhana Singh ?> > --- In , Mithilesh Kumar Das> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:> > Jay Gurudev,> > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.> > > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact> with> > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.> > > > regards> > Mithilesh> > > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.> Shiva> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.> > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>> > > wrote:Jay Gurudev!> > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is> supposed to> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have> noticed> > > many of! them are doing so), they are not> connected> > > with gurudham.> > > > > > regards> > > > > > Mithilesh> > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:> > > > Hi All,> > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha> in> > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving> diksha> > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities> to> > > > him.Is it true ?> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Jai Gurudev, This is NOT the forum to wash your dirty linen in public. I appreciate that many people have severe, serious problems. But, for obvious reasons, one would not want to disucss them in public. 99% of an individual's problems are personal, and any sane individual will not like to discuss her/his private facts in public. Discussion about one's personal problems in this forum will not be very productive. A person can have severe marital problems due to bad positioning of planets, due to serious compatibility issues between spouses, due to interfering nature of in laws, due to nagging nature, or due to 100 other causes. Such person should contact pujya Gurudev directly to get these problems resolved. Communicating through letters or emails might also not be very fruitful since one will not be able to convey full picture through writing. One should get a personal audience with Pujya Trimurty Gurudevs in private during Sadhana Camps, or meeting dates in Gurudham to discuss such issues. Every person has his/her own reasons to become associated with pujya Gurudev. Some might have come due to personal problems like health, finance, family life, protection_from_someone, blackmagic etc. Others might have come because they genuinely wanted to get spiritually elevated, get their Kundalini activated etc.Still others might have come to get knowledge about Ayurveda, palmistry, astrology, tantra etc. Since everyone is different in this world, so Pujya Gurudev would have given different solutions to everyone. One size doesn't fit all in this area. Everyone is different, and getting help or suggestions from Gurubhais to solve a problem won't be productive, since they will speak from their very little experience. Only way out is to obtain a personal audience with Pujya Gurudev to discuss all this. It is very easy to become a pseudo-guru. One just needs to put his thumb on forehead, and say that Diskha has been granted. Spirituality is a mulit-million dollors business these days. So, a lot of our own gurubhais also got tempted to make big bucks, and started giving dikshas. It is very easy to fool the public. Typically these pseudo-gurus entangle a few fat fish (having lot of money). These fat fish then attract a lot of oter fishes. I can only advice people to refrain from going to such pseudo-gurus. I have watched them in action from very close proximity and have seen their disgusting ways to fool the public. A person who shows a miracle is a magician, he is not a Guru. People get tempted by miracles, and think that the person showing them is God! For your information, Pujya Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali never demonstrated any miracle in public, and He was strongly against such vulgar display. So, we can only advice people to stay from these money-suckers, and goto Pujya Trimurty Gurudevs for guidance and advice. However if someone is hell bent on committing harakiri, then let it be! Maybe their fate is stronger than their intelligence. Jai Gurudev , SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote: > Dear Mithilesh, > > You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy, etc. > > Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer. > > I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from the beginning > we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. > > If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham. > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> wrote: > Jay Gurudev!! > > you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But this > thing has been made crytal clear time and again that > only guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha on > behalf of gurudev and no body else. > > I would highly appreciate if you cud go through the > same and decide for yourself. > > And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais who > have acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humble > person always ready to help gurubhais. That is really > appreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhis > doesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha on > gurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. > With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must be > elevated spiritually and may have powers to give > diksha. But without the permission from gurudev or > gurudham how can he or anybody else for that matter, > can give diksha. > > Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you looking > for quick fix to your problem or want to be his > sishya. This was what gurudev had to say about his > sishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible, > unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my > disciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali > ). If some gurubhai can solve others > problem, I feel and believe even we are capable of > solving our problem. It only requires strong will > power and faith. May be its going to take some time > but if gurudev can give something to some xyz why not > us. > > regards > > Mithilesh > > > > --- mool_np <mool_np> wrote: > > I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer > > Diksha on the behalf > > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address > > or email address > > of Sadhana Singh ? > > > > , Mithilesh Kumar Das > > > > <mithilesh_das> wrote: > > > Jay Gurudev, > > > > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said. > > > > > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact > > with > > > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all. > > > > > > regards > > > Mithilesh > > > > > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote: > > > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. > > Shiva > > > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr. > > > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> > > > > wrote:Jay Gurudev! > > > > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is > > supposed to > > > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have > > noticed > > > > many of them are doing so), they are not > > connected > > > > with gurudham. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Mithilesh > > > > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha > > in > > > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving > > diksha > > > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities > > to > > > > > him.Is it true ? > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > > design software > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > > design software > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 24, 2003 Thank you very much. Let us try for betterment. "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel (AT) geind (DOT) ge.com> wrote: I have been thinking about this issue of giving dikshaas. I guess let's leave people to their discretion as to whom they want to approach. If they are following wrong path they will realise soon but if they are right then their is nothing to worry about. Let these things be tested by time. Lets worry about how to move forward on spiritual path. Fighting on who is authorised and who not kills our precious time and is no good to us. None of us know the Big Picture. SSSS - I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. Well u r definitely right. I guess many of the elevated disciples are not familiar with computers and i guess it would be very costly for them to get connected via Email. But yes Gurudham can do it. Till 1 or 2 years back they used to reply to the queries. I used to get a reply from Gurudham by both an email as well as a postal letter. Not sure what has happened of lately. I guess the work load at Gurudham has increased and they might be needing volunteers for help. If some of you are in Delhi and Jodhpur try to enquire as to can you give a helping hand to Gurudham. Jai Gurudev, Anurag SSSS KKK [n1s1a12003 ]Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:02 AMSubject: Re: Re: Diksha in bhopal Dear Mithilesh, You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy, etc. Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer. I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham. Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das > wrote: Jay Gurudev!!you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But thisthing has been made crytal clear time and again thatonly guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha onbehalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you cud go through thesame and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais whohave acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humbleperson always ready to help gurubhais. That is reallyappreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhisdoesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha ongurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must beelevated spiritually and may have powers to givediksha. But without the permission from gurudev orgurudham how can he or anyb! ody else for that matter,can give diksha. Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you lookingfor quick fix to your problem or want to be hissishya. This was what gurudev had to say about hissishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible,unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for mydisciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali). If some gurubhai can solve othersproblem, I feel and believe even we are capable ofsolving our problem. It only requires strong willpower and faith. May be its going to take some timebut if gurudev can give something to some xyz why notus.regardsMithilesh --- mool_np <mool_np > wrote:> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer> Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address> or email address > of Sadhana Singh ?> > --- In , Mithilesh Kumar Das> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:> > Jay Gurudev,> > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.> > > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact> with> > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.> > > > regards> > Mithilesh> > > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.> Shiva> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.> > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>> > > wrote:Jay Gurudev!> > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is> supposed to> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have> noticed> > > many of! them are doing so), they are not> connected> > > with gurudham.> > > > > > regards> > > > > > Mithilesh> > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:> > > > Hi All,> > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha> in> > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving> diksha> > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities> to> > > > him.Is it true ?> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > Jay Gurudev Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2003 , SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote: > Jaya Gurudev, > > Thank you very much. Let us try for betterment. > > > "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> wrote: > I have been thinking about this issue of giving dikshaas. I guess let's leave people to their discretion as to whom they want to approach. If they are following wrong path they will realise soon but if they are right then their is nothing to worry about. Let these things be tested by time. Lets worry about how to move forward on spiritual path. Fighting on who is authorised and who not kills our precious time and is no good to us. > > None of us know the Big Picture. > > SSSS - I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. > > Well u r definitely right. I guess many of the elevated disciples are not familiar with computers and i guess it would be very costly for them to get connected via Email. But yes Gurudham can do it. Till 1 or 2 years back they used to reply to the queries. I used to get a reply from Gurudham by both an email as well as a postal letter. Not sure what has happened of lately. I guess the work load at Gurudham has increased and they might be needing volunteers for help. If some of you are in Delhi and Jodhpur try to enquire as to can you give a helping hand to Gurudham. > > Jai Gurudev, > Anurag > > SSSS KKK [n1s1a12003] > Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:02 AM > > Re: Re: Diksha in bhopal > > > Dear Mithilesh, > > You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy, etc. > > Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer. > > I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from the beginning > we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem. > > If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham. > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> wrote: > Jay Gurudev!! > > you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But this > thing has been made crytal clear time and again that > only guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha on > behalf of gurudev and no body else. > > I would highly appreciate if you cud go through the > same and decide for yourself. > > And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais who > have acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humble > person always ready to help gurubhais. That is really > appreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhis > doesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha on > gurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. > With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must be > elevated spiritually and may have powers to give > diksha. But without the permission from gurudev or > gurudham how can he or anyb! ody else for that matter, > can give diksha. > > Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you looking > for quick fix to your problem or want to be his > sishya. This was what gurudev had to say about his > sishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible, > unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my > disciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali > ). If some gurubhai can solve others > problem, I feel and believe even we are capable of > solving our problem. It only requires strong will > power and faith. May be its going to take some time > but if gurudev can give something to some xyz why not > us. > > regards > > Mithilesh > > > > --- mool_np <mool_np> wrote: > > I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer > > Diksha on the behalf > > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address > > or email address > > of Sadhana Singh ? > > > > , Mithilesh Kumar Das > > > > <mithilesh_das> wrote: > > > Jay Gurudev, > > > > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said. > > > > > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact > > with > > > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all. > > > > > > regards > > > Mithilesh > > > > > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote: > > > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. > > Shiva > > > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr. > > > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> > > > > wrote:Jay Gurudev! > > > > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is > > supposed to > > > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have > > noticed > > > > many of! them are doing so), they are not > > connected > > > > with gurudham. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Mithilesh > > > > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha > > in > > > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving > > diksha > > > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities > > to > > > > > him.Is it true ? > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > Jay Gurudev > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
