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Hi All,

 

I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in Bhopal?Is he

 

connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha on behalf of

 

gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to him.Is it true ?

 

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Jay Gurudev!

 

I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed to

give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticed

many of them are doing so), they are not connected

with gurudham.

 

regards

 

Mithilesh

 

--- SACHIN <sachinjam wrote:

> Hi All,

>

> I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in

> Bhopal?Is he

>

> connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha

> on behalf of

>

> gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to

> him.Is it true ?

>

> Regards.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Jay Gurudev!I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed togive diksha. If

anyone is giving it (i have noticedmany of them are doing so), they are not

connectedwith gurudham.regardsMithilesh--- SACHIN <sachinjam (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:> Hi All,> > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in> Bhopal?Is

he > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha> on behalf of > >

gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to> him.Is it true ?> > Regards.>

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Jay Gurudev,

 

I am 100% sure of what i have said.

 

I will request gurubhais who have direct contact with

gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.

 

regards

Mithilesh

 

--- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003 wrote:

> I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. Shiva

> Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.

> Joshi was authorized by Gurudev.

>

> Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_>

> wrote:Jay Gurudev!

>

> I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed to

> give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticed

> many of them are doing so), they are not connected

> with gurudham.

>

> regards

>

> Mithilesh

>

> --- SACHIN <sachinjam wrote:

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in

> > Bhopal?Is he

> >

> > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha

> > on behalf of

> >

> > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to

> > him.Is it true ?

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer Diksha on the behalf

of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address or email address

of Sadhana Singh ?

 

, Mithilesh Kumar Das

<mithilesh_das> wrote:

> Jay Gurudev,

>

> I am 100% sure of what i have said.

>

> I will request gurubhais who have direct contact with

> gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.

>

> regards

> Mithilesh

>

> --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:

> > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr. Shiva

> > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.

> > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev.

> >

> > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>

> > wrote:Jay Gurudev!

> >

> > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is supposed to

> > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have noticed

> > many of them are doing so), they are not connected

> > with gurudham.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Mithilesh

> >

> > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha in

> > > Bhopal?Is he

> > >

> > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving diksha

> > > on behalf of

> > >

> > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities to

> > > him.Is it true ?

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Jay Gurudev!!

 

you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But this

thing has been made crytal clear time and again that

only guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha on

behalf of gurudev and no body else.

 

I would highly appreciate if you cud go through the

same and decide for yourself.

 

And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais who

have acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humble

person always ready to help gurubhais. That is really

appreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhis

doesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha on

gurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so.

With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must be

elevated spiritually and may have powers to give

diksha. But without the permission from gurudev or

gurudham how can he or anybody else for that matter,

can give diksha.

 

Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you looking

for quick fix to your problem or want to be his

sishya. This was what gurudev had to say about his

sishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible,

unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my

disciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali

). If some gurubhai can solve others

problem, I feel and believe even we are capable of

solving our problem. It only requires strong will

power and faith. May be its going to take some time

but if gurudev can give something to some xyz why not

us.

 

regards

 

Mithilesh

 

 

 

--- mool_np <mool_np wrote:

> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer

> Diksha on the behalf

> of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address

> or email address

> of Sadhana Singh ?

>

> , Mithilesh Kumar Das

>

> <mithilesh_das> wrote:

> > Jay Gurudev,

> >

> > I am 100% sure of what i have said.

> >

> > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact

> with

> > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.

> >

> > regards

> > Mithilesh

> >

> > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:

> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.

> Shiva

> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.

> > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev.

> > >

> > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>

> > > wrote:Jay Gurudev!

> > >

> > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is

> supposed to

> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have

> noticed

> > > many of them are doing so), they are not

> connected

> > > with gurudham.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > Mithilesh

> > >

> > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha

> in

> > > > Bhopal?Is he

> > > >

> > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving

> diksha

> > > > on behalf of

> > > >

> > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities

> to

> > > > him.Is it true ?

> > > >

> > > > Regards.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care

about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she

diverts to education, society, democracy, etc.

Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever

fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer.

I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from

the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have

not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those

problem.

If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to

critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham.

Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das > wrote:

Jay Gurudev!!you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But thisthing has been

made crytal clear time and again thatonly guru trimurty is authorised to give

diksha onbehalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you

cud go through thesame and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come

across may gurubhais whohave acquired lot of siddhis but still so are

humbleperson always ready to help gurubhais. That is reallyappreciable and

respectable. Acquiring siddhisdoesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha

ongurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to

Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must beelevated spiritually and may have powers to

givediksha. But without the permission from gurudev orgurudham how can he or

anybody else

for that matter,can give diksha. Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you

lookingfor quick fix to your problem or want to be hissishya. This was what

gurudev had to say about hissishya, "Words like failure, defeat,

impossible,unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for mydisciples." (taken

from naranayan_dutt_shrimali). If some gurubhai can solve

othersproblem, I feel and believe even we are capable ofsolving our problem.

It only requires strong willpower and faith. May be its going to take some

timebut if gurudev can give something to some xyz why notus.regardsMithilesh

--- mool_np <mool_np > wrote:> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of

Bhopal offer> Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address,

web address> or email address > of Sadhana Singh ?> > --- In

, Mithilesh Kumar Das> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:> >

Jay Gurudev,> > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.> > > > I will request

gurubhais who have direct contact> with> > gurudham to clear this doubt of

Sachin and all.> > > > regards> > Mithilesh> > > > --- SSSS KKK

<n1s1a12003> wrote:> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.>

Shiva> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.> > > Joshi was

authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>> >

> wrote:Jay Gurudev!> > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is>

supposed to> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have> noticed> > >

many of them are

doing so), they are not> connected> > > with gurudham.> > > > > > regards> > > >

> > Mithilesh> > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:> > > > Hi All,> > >

> > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha> in> > > > Bhopal?Is

he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving> diksha> > > >

on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities> to>

> > > him.Is it true ?> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Jay Gurudev!!

> You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature

first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling

the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy,

etc.

 

I really appreciate the point which you have made. The tantras image

was tarnished coz there was somebody to fix the problem just by

paying money. And it degenerated to a point that tantras finds its

usage with black magic. If you want a quick fix problem then I

suggest you go to people who claims and does that for you. i believe

this discussion list is not meant for keeping the database of those

problem solvers.

 

> I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not

like - from the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in

this group. I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or

Trimurty responded to those problem.

 

i doubt that... i have been to sivirs where people in excess of

thousands were there and still gurudev could find some time to listen

to my problem and bless me. may be you have to check that again. and

yes i believe they do not post any messages or suggests anything on

the net. if someone genuinely wants to meet them, they find a way to

reach him.

> If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group

starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham.

 

i am sorry if you got that impression. this group is to discuss

spirituality and sadhanas... not to use as medium to be used as

propaganda. do you think this site sud be used to promote self

styled gurus.. if yes ask moderator for poll.. if its ok for the

group with the idea.. i promise never to 'criticize' anybody for

doing so.

 

 

Jay Gurudev

 

Mithilesh

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I have been thinking about this issue of giving dikshaas. I guess let's leave

people to their discretion as to whom they want to approach. If they are

following wrong path they will realise soon but if they are right then their is

nothing to worry about. Let these things be tested by time. Lets worry about how

to move forward on spiritual path. Fighting on who is authorised and who not

kills our precious time and is no good to us.

None of us know the Big Picture.

SSSS - I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem.

Well u r definitely right. I guess many of the elevated disciples are not

familiar with computers and i guess it would be very costly for them to get

connected via Email. But yes Gurudham can do it. Till 1 or 2 years back they

used to reply to the queries. I used to get a reply from Gurudham by both an

email as well as a postal letter. Not sure what has happened of lately. I guess

the work load at Gurudham has increased and they might be needing volunteers for

help. If some of you are in Delhi and Jodhpur try to enquire as to can you give

a helping hand to Gurudham.

Jai Gurudev,

Anurag

SSSS KKK [n1s1a12003 ]Sent:

Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:02 AMSubject: Re:

Re: Diksha in bhopal

Dear Mithilesh,

You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care

about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she

diverts to education, society, democracy, etc.

Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever

fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer.

I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from

the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have

not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those

problem.

If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to

critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham.

Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das > wrote:

Jay Gurudev!!you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But thisthing has been

made crytal clear time and again thatonly guru trimurty is authorised to give

diksha onbehalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you

cud go through thesame and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come

across may gurubhais whohave acquired lot of siddhis but still so are

humbleperson always ready to help gurubhais. That is reallyappreciable and

respectable. Acquiring siddhisdoesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha

ongurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to

Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must beelevated spiritually and may have powers to

givediksha. But without the permission from gurudev orgurudham how can he or

anyb! ody else for that matter,can give diksha. Make sure what you want from

gurudev. Are you lookingfor quick fix to your problem or want to be hissishya.

This was what gurudev had to say about hissishya, "Words like failure, defeat,

impossible,unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for mydisciples." (taken

from naranayan_dutt_shrimali). If some gurubhai can solve

othersproblem, I feel and believe even we are capable ofsolving our problem.

It only requires strong willpower and faith. May be its going to take some

timebut if gurudev can give something to some xyz why notus.regardsMithilesh

--- mool_np <mool_np > wrote:> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of

Bhopal offer> Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address,

web address> or email address > of Sadhana Singh ?> > --- In

, Mithilesh Kumar Das> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:> >

Jay Gurudev,> > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.> > > > I will request

gurubhais who have direct contact> with> > gurudham to clear this doubt of

Sachin and all.> > > > regards> > Mithilesh> > > > --- SSSS KKK

<n1s1a12003> wrote:> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.>

Shiva> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.> > > Joshi was

authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>> >

> wrote:Jay Gurudev!> > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is>

supposed to> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have> noticed> > >

many of! them are doing so), they are not> connected> > > with gurudham.> > > >

> > regards> > > > > > Mithilesh> > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:>

> > > Hi All,> > > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha>

in> > > > Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is

giving> diksha> > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every

responsibilities> to> > > > him.Is it true ?> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > >

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Jai Gurudev,

This is NOT the forum to wash your dirty linen in public. I

appreciate that many people have severe, serious problems. But, for

obvious reasons, one would not want to disucss them in public. 99%

of an individual's problems are personal, and any sane individual

will not like to discuss her/his private facts in public.

Discussion about one's personal problems in this forum will not be

very productive. A person can have severe marital problems due to

bad positioning of planets, due to serious compatibility issues

between spouses, due to interfering nature of in laws, due to

nagging nature, or due to 100 other causes. Such person should

contact pujya Gurudev directly to get these problems resolved.

Communicating through letters or emails might also not be very

fruitful since one will not be able to convey full picture through

writing. One should get a personal audience with Pujya Trimurty

Gurudevs in private during Sadhana Camps, or meeting dates in

Gurudham to discuss such issues.

 

Every person has his/her own reasons to become associated with pujya

Gurudev. Some might have come due to personal problems like health,

finance, family life, protection_from_someone, blackmagic etc.

Others might have come because they genuinely wanted to get

spiritually elevated, get their Kundalini activated etc.Still others

might have come to get knowledge about Ayurveda, palmistry,

astrology, tantra etc. Since everyone is different in this world, so

Pujya Gurudev would have given different solutions to everyone.

One size doesn't fit all in this area. Everyone is different, and

getting help or suggestions from Gurubhais to solve a problem won't

be productive, since they will speak from their very little

experience. Only way out is to obtain a personal audience with Pujya

Gurudev to discuss all this.

 

It is very easy to become a pseudo-guru. One just needs to put his

thumb on forehead, and say that Diskha has been granted.

Spirituality is a mulit-million dollors business these days. So, a

lot of our own gurubhais also got tempted to make big bucks, and

started giving dikshas. It is very easy to fool the public.

Typically these pseudo-gurus entangle a few fat fish (having lot of

money). These fat fish then attract a lot of oter fishes. I can only

advice people to refrain from going to such pseudo-gurus. I have

watched them in action from very close proximity and have seen their

disgusting ways to fool the public. A person who shows a miracle is

a magician, he is not a Guru. People get tempted by miracles, and

think that the person showing them is God! For your information,

Pujya Gurudev Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali never demonstrated any

miracle in public, and He was strongly against such vulgar display.

So, we can only advice people to stay from these money-suckers, and

goto Pujya Trimurty Gurudevs for guidance and advice. However if

someone is hell bent on committing harakiri, then let it be! Maybe

their fate is stronger than their intelligence.

Jai Gurudev

, SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:

> Dear Mithilesh,

>

> You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature

first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling

the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy,

etc.

>

> Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix

problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting

problem fixer.

>

> I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not

like - from the beginning

> we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not

seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to

those problem.

>

> If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group

starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham.

>

>

> Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> wrote:

> Jay Gurudev!!

>

> you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But this

> thing has been made crytal clear time and again that

> only guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha on

> behalf of gurudev and no body else.

>

> I would highly appreciate if you cud go through the

> same and decide for yourself.

>

> And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais who

> have acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humble

> person always ready to help gurubhais. That is really

> appreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhis

> doesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha on

> gurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so.

> With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must be

> elevated spiritually and may have powers to give

> diksha. But without the permission from gurudev or

> gurudham how can he or anybody else for that matter,

> can give diksha.

>

> Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you looking

> for quick fix to your problem or want to be his

> sishya. This was what gurudev had to say about his

> sishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible,

> unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my

> disciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali

> ). If some gurubhai can solve others

> problem, I feel and believe even we are capable of

> solving our problem. It only requires strong will

> power and faith. May be its going to take some time

> but if gurudev can give something to some xyz why not

> us.

>

> regards

>

> Mithilesh

>

>

>

> --- mool_np <mool_np> wrote:

> > I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer

> > Diksha on the behalf

> > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address

> > or email address

> > of Sadhana Singh ?

> >

> > , Mithilesh Kumar Das

> >

> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:

> > > Jay Gurudev,

> > >

> > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.

> > >

> > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact

> > with

> > > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Mithilesh

> > >

> > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:

> > > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.

> > Shiva

> > > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.

> > > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev.

> > > >

> > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>

> > > > wrote:Jay Gurudev!

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Thank you very much. Let us try for betterment.

"Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel (AT) geind (DOT) ge.com> wrote:

I have been thinking about this issue of giving dikshaas. I guess let's leave

people to their discretion as to whom they want to approach. If they are

following wrong path they will realise soon but if they are right then their is

nothing to worry about. Let these things be tested by time. Lets worry about how

to move forward on spiritual path. Fighting on who is authorised and who not

kills our precious time and is no good to us.

None of us know the Big Picture.

SSSS - I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those problem.

Well u r definitely right. I guess many of the elevated disciples are not

familiar with computers and i guess it would be very costly for them to get

connected via Email. But yes Gurudham can do it. Till 1 or 2 years back they

used to reply to the queries. I used to get a reply from Gurudham by both an

email as well as a postal letter. Not sure what has happened of lately. I guess

the work load at Gurudham has increased and they might be needing volunteers for

help. If some of you are in Delhi and Jodhpur try to enquire as to can you give

a helping hand to Gurudham.

Jai Gurudev,

Anurag

SSSS KKK [n1s1a12003 ]Sent:

Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:02 AMSubject: Re:

Re: Diksha in bhopal

Dear Mithilesh,

You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature first he/she care

about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling the necessary these he/she

diverts to education, society, democracy, etc.

Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix problems. Whoever

fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting problem fixer.

I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not like - from

the beginning we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have

not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to those

problem.

If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group starts to

critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham.

Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das > wrote:

Jay Gurudev!!you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But thisthing has been

made crytal clear time and again thatonly guru trimurty is authorised to give

diksha onbehalf of gurudev and no body else. I would highly appreciate if you

cud go through thesame and decide for yourself. And one thing, i have come

across may gurubhais whohave acquired lot of siddhis but still so are

humbleperson always ready to help gurubhais. That is reallyappreciable and

respectable. Acquiring siddhisdoesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha

ongurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so. With all due respect to

Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must beelevated spiritually and may have powers to

givediksha. But without the permission from gurudev orgurudham how can he or

anyb! ody

else for that matter,can give diksha. Make sure what you want from gurudev.

Are you lookingfor quick fix to your problem or want to be hissishya. This was

what gurudev had to say about hissishya, "Words like failure, defeat,

impossible,unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for mydisciples." (taken

from naranayan_dutt_shrimali). If some gurubhai can solve

othersproblem, I feel and believe even we are capable ofsolving our problem.

It only requires strong willpower and faith. May be its going to take some

timebut if gurudev can give something to some xyz why notus.regardsMithilesh

--- mool_np <mool_np > wrote:> I have heard that Shadhana Singh of

Bhopal offer> Diksha on the behalf > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address,

web address> or email address > of Sadhana Singh ?> > --- In

, Mithilesh Kumar Das> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:> >

Jay Gurudev,> > > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.> > > > I will request

gurubhais who have direct contact> with> > gurudham to clear this doubt of

Sachin and all.> > > > regards> > Mithilesh> > > > --- SSSS KKK

<n1s1a12003> wrote:> > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.>

Shiva> > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.> > > Joshi was

authorized by Gurudev. > > > > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>> >

> wrote:Jay Gurudev!> > > > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is>

supposed to> > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have> noticed> > >

many of! them

are doing so), they are not> connected> > > with gurudham.> > > > > > regards> >

> > > > Mithilesh> > > > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:> > > > Hi All,>

> > > > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha> in> > > >

Bhopal?Is he > > > > > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving>

diksha> > > > on behalf of > > > > > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every

responsibilities> to> > > > him.Is it true ?> > > > > > > > Regards.> > > >

Jay Gurudev

 

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, SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:

> Jaya Gurudev,

>

> Thank you very much. Let us try for betterment.

>

>

> "Goel, Anurag (CORP, GEITC)" <anurag.goel@g...> wrote:

> I have been thinking about this issue of giving dikshaas. I guess

let's leave people to their discretion as to whom they want to

approach. If they are following wrong path they will realise soon but

if they are right then their is nothing to worry about. Let these

things be tested by time. Lets worry about how to move forward on

spiritual path. Fighting on who is authorised and who not kills our

precious time and is no good to us.

>

> None of us know the Big Picture.

>

> SSSS - I have not seen any authorized person from Gurudham or

Trimurty responded to those problem.

>

> Well u r definitely right. I guess many of the elevated disciples

are not familiar with computers and i guess it would be very costly

for them to get connected via Email. But yes Gurudham can do it. Till

1 or 2 years back they used to reply to the queries. I used to get a

reply from Gurudham by both an email as well as a postal letter. Not

sure what has happened of lately. I guess the work load at Gurudham

has increased and they might be needing volunteers for help. If some

of you are in Delhi and Jodhpur try to enquire as to can you give a

helping hand to Gurudham.

>

> Jai Gurudev,

> Anurag

>

> SSSS KKK [n1s1a12003]

> Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:02 AM

>

> Re: Re: Diksha in bhopal

>

>

> Dear Mithilesh,

>

> You have to be always practical. If you seen the human nature

first he/she care about food, cloths and shelter. After fulfilling

the necessary these he/she diverts to education, society, democracy,

etc.

>

> Every human being even you also, first of all want to fix

problems. Whoever fixes he/her problem, he/she starts respecting

problem fixer.

>

> I would like to ask you a very hot question, probably you do not

like - from the beginning

> we have seen people with severe problem in this group. I have not

seen any authorized person from Gurudham or Trimurty responded to

those problem.

>

> If anybody tries to suggest something to the Gurudham this group

starts to critisize. I think this is very bad for gurudham.

>

>

> Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das> wrote:

> Jay Gurudev!!

>

> you can choose your own path Mr. mool_np . But this

> thing has been made crytal clear time and again that

> only guru trimurty is authorised to give diksha on

> behalf of gurudev and no body else.

>

> I would highly appreciate if you cud go through the

> same and decide for yourself.

>

> And one thing, i have come across may gurubhais who

> have acquired lot of siddhis but still so are humble

> person always ready to help gurubhais. That is really

> appreciable and respectable. Acquiring siddhis

> doesn't make one becomes guru and impart diksha on

> gurudevs behalf. Some of them have started doing so.

> With all due respect to Mr. Sadhana Singh, he must be

> elevated spiritually and may have powers to give

> diksha. But without the permission from gurudev or

> gurudham how can he or anyb! ody else for that matter,

> can give diksha.

>

> Make sure what you want from gurudev. Are you looking

> for quick fix to your problem or want to be his

> sishya. This was what gurudev had to say about his

> sishya, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible,

> unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my

> disciples." (taken from naranayan_dutt_shrimali

> ). If some gurubhai can solve others

> problem, I feel and believe even we are capable of

> solving our problem. It only requires strong will

> power and faith. May be its going to take some time

> but if gurudev can give something to some xyz why not

> us.

>

> regards

>

> Mithilesh

>

>

>

> --- mool_np <mool_np> wrote:

> > I have heard that Shadhana Singh of Bhopal offer

> > Diksha on the behalf

> > of Sadgurudev. Anyone know the address, web address

> > or email address

> > of Sadhana Singh ?

> >

> > , Mithilesh Kumar Das

> >

> > <mithilesh_das> wrote:

> > > Jay Gurudev,

> > >

> > > I am 100% sure of what i have said.

> > >

> > > I will request gurubhais who have direct contact

> > with

> > > gurudham to clear this doubt of Sachin and all.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > Mithilesh

> > >

> > > --- SSSS KKK <n1s1a12003> wrote:

> > > > I am not sure but I heard from somebody Dr.

> > Shiva

> > > > Kumar Joshi is providing Diksha from Bhopal. Dr.

> > > > Joshi was authorized by Gurudev.

> > > >

> > > > Mithilesh Kumar Das <mithilesh_das>

> > > > wrote:Jay Gurudev!

> > > >

> > > > I believe nobody except guru trimurty is

> > supposed to

> > > > give diksha. If anyone is giving it (i have

> > noticed

> > > > many of! them are doing so), they are not

> > connected

> > > > with gurudham.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > Mithilesh

> > > >

> > > > --- SACHIN <sachinjam> wrote:

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hearad One Shishya of gurudev offers diksha

> > in

> > > > > Bhopal?Is he

> > > > >

> > > > > connected to Gurudham ?He says he is giving

> > diksha

> > > > > on behalf of

> > > > >

> > > > > gurudev.Gurudeva left every responsibilities

> > to

> > > > > him.Is it true ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards.

> > > > >

>

>

>

> Sponsor

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

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