Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 dear all, i have a question especially to those based out side india for a longer time. how do they calculate rahu kaal for their place? let me start with explaining sarvarth siddhi yogas, ravi pushya etc. --these are formed by the combination of some nakshatra + day or tithi. Usually the end time of a nakshtra is universal-- So if a nakshatra ends at 11.30 am in india, it will end approximately at 8 am for me.(-3.5 hrs) the approoximation is minor, and since i know how to get the exact time i do not worry about it. Now if there is a sarvarth siddhi yog in India from sunrise to 6.40 am then we in europe should forget about it, since sunrise == sunrise, and the nakshatra that was causing the yog is already gone by the time sun rises here. On the other hand, if there is sarvarth sidhdhi yog from 2 am to asunrise next day, we will get more of it here and it will be 10.30 pm to sunrise. so the problem --i do not understand rahu kaal, and mahendra, amrit kaal etc given in "KAAl nirnay" by GURUDEV at all. these are the same as given in the auspicious time on the site. what should i do for them. eg if there is an auspicious time in india from 11 am to 2 pm. should i take it (A) as 11 am to 2 pm (my local time) or should i take it as (B) 11-3.5 =7.30 am to 10.30 am local time?? I use the second method. is that correct? My confusion is added to when i spoke to shrivastav uncle before 16th. He told me avoid rahu kaal. and how do i find it for me?? his answer was somewhat unclear but equivalent to (A). any comments will be welcome jai gurudev anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Jai Gurudev cudnt resist posting a reply! I spoke to Shrivastav uncle about it once, and truthfully speaking, i am still a bit unclear about it. however, what he said is this- Kaal Nirnaay is based on the sunrise & sunset timings. To make things simpler, it assumes 6 am as sunrise and 6 pm as sunset. This means that a day is from sunrise to sunset, and a night is from sunset to sunrise (elementary!) Now, comes the crucial bit. According to him, what one sud do, is to take the local sunrise time, and add/subtract the number of hours accordingly. so, a time of 11am, will , basically, mean 5 hours after sunrise. so, u may take the sunrise time according to almanac/newspaper, and add 5 hours to it. It seems alright to me. This is a simplistic solution, which sud work in most cases. It also assumes that no correction is made for the latitude/longitude of the location, which sudnt matter much. i believe that Gurudev wrote Kaal Nirnaay to minimise such confusion, and to make it a ready-reckoner. The inbuilt calculations within Kaal Nirnaay & local sunrise time difference sud take care of the place latitude/longitude. My confusion is this. There are places like scandanavia , greenland, and siberia etc. wherein there is no concept of sunrise or sunset. it is either sunny for 6 months, or night for 6 months. Probably, then best thing to do in those cases sud be to assume 6am as sunrise and 6 pm as sunset. Hope it helps, anyway. Having said this, the timings listed on website/magazine are probably calculated differently. For those timings, one sud calculate the appropriate local time by adding/subtracting the time difference. I am a bit ashamed, according to my "gotra", i am supposed to be a descendent of Ravana, one of the greatest authority on Time. And, i am confused about such a simple matter! Need to resolve this doubt! i have got another query for people who have read numerology books of Gurudev. someone told me this formula once to check/compare compatibility of two names (eg. your name to your business name) According to him it is mentioned in one of Gurudev's books. eg. ank jyotish, ank praminika, ank darshan or some other.... it is this- assign number 1 to a, 2 to b, 3 to c, .... 26 to z take both names and add all the numbers to get the "sum_number" for both names. divide both the sums. If the remainder is 0, then the two names are compatible, otherwise not. can anyone tell me if such a formula is listed anywhere? i only remember reading a formula which had some sort of weight/number associated with each alphabet, and then used a formula o check compatibility. Many thanks in advance. Anuragji once said that he had some numerology books, but he seems to have gone underground (in sadhanas!) recently. Jai Gurudev , zm1603@h... wrote: > > > dear all, > i have a question especially to those based out side india for a > longer time. how do they calculate rahu kaal for their place? > > let me start with explaining sarvarth siddhi yogas, ravi pushya etc. > > --these are formed by the combination of some nakshatra + day or > tithi. Usually the end time of a nakshtra is universal-- > So if a nakshatra ends at 11.30 am in india, it will end approximately > at 8 am for me.(-3.5 hrs) the approoximation is minor, and since i > know how to get the exact time i do not worry about it. > > Now if there is a sarvarth siddhi yog in India from sunrise to 6.40 am > then we in europe should forget about it, since sunrise == sunrise, > and the nakshatra that was causing the yog is already gone by the time > sun rises here. > On the other hand, if there is sarvarth sidhdhi yog from 2 am to > asunrise next day, we will get more of it here and it will be 10.30 pm > to sunrise. > > so the problem --i do not understand rahu kaal, and mahendra, amrit > kaal etc given in "KAAl nirnay" by GURUDEV at all. > these are the same as given in the auspicious time on the site. > > what should i do for them. eg if there is an auspicious time > in india from 11 am to 2 pm. should i take it (A) as 11 am to 2 pm (my > local time) or should i take it as (B) 11-3.5 =7.30 am to 10.30 am > local time?? I use the second method. is that correct? > > My confusion is added to when i spoke to shrivastav uncle before 16th. > He told me avoid rahu kaal. and how do i find it for me?? his answer > was somewhat unclear but equivalent to (A). > > any comments will be welcome > > jai gurudev > > anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 -- jai gurudev dear arvind, thank you for the answer. i expected one from you only. now the difficulty. sunrise ==4 am in europe in summer, and sunset == 10 pm in europe. should we not then increase the ghatis for the day, and take a proportional number, and similarly reduce the one for winter. adding 5 hrs to me is well, not correct maybe =-- being closer to mathematics in my profession!! > in most cases. It also assumes that no correction is made for the > latitude/longitude of the location, which sudnt matter much. > > My confusion is this. There are places like scandanavia , greenland, > and siberia etc. wherein there is no concept of sunrise or sunset. it > is either sunny for 6 months, or night for 6 months. you hit the hammer on the nail by asking this. > > Having said this, the timings listed on website/magazine are probably > calculated differently. For those timings, one sud calculate the > appropriate local time by adding/subtracting the time difference. > no, arvind timimgs on the website are the mahendra +amrit kaals from kaal mirnaya. i have checked this. i have no idea about numerology. to be honest i saw some books about it by cheiro. but, am not very please with it. because the same name will give different totals in english, and devnaagri. atleast in cheiro's books assignment of numbers to alphabets was not different. i have even lesser understanding about palmistry. i get hyper and can find every line good and bad in my palm and worry mysels to death anurag i heard has left the group, may be to do sadhnas. i should be also concentrating on them by gurudev's aagya anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 Jai Gurudev Dear Anu, > what should i do for them. eg if there is an auspicious time > in india from 11 am to 2 pm. should i take it (A) as 11 am to 2 pm (my > local time) or should i take it as (B) 11-3.5 =7.30 am to 10.30 am > local time?? I use the second method. is that correct? Let me suggest one solution what i think is most of the people use and I have a little justificaiton also for that. For example just assume that Rahu Kaal is starting at 7 AM in India and you are 3.30 hrs behind. So just minus 3.30 from 7 and that will be the time Rahu Kaal Start in your country. Now the justification behind this is that all these grah keep moving from one sign to another. So obviously at one point of time they must be in entering into one sign, suppose that time is 7 AM of India, now that time cannot be different. So while the Rahu is enterning into one sign it is 7AM in India but in your country it is 3.30 AM. So according to this we cannot say that we should also wait upto 7AM of your country. I hope I am able to give some clue for calculation of time. Let me know if something is not clear. Jai Gurudev Charanjit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 -dear charanjit, jai GURUDEV that is what i was doing, and feeling pleased with myself too for choosing good monents. then i spoke to shrivastav uncle. and now i think if i am missing all the good ones, and actually taking the wrong ones thinking they are good!! what arvind says is perhaps what bare GURUji suggested. But i am not sure. > Now the justification behind this is that all these grah keep moving > from one sign to another. So obviously at one point of time they must > be in entering into one sign, suppose that time is 7 AM of India, now > that time cannot be different. So while the Rahu is enterning into > one sign it is 7AM in India but in your country it is 3.30 AM. chranjit, with that we come to the problem of whether time is absolute. i also thought by somewhat similar logic that a moment that you call 7 am and i call 3.30 am are the same. and if a monet is inauspicious it should be so every where. though, rahu stays in the same sign, for many months. it is in gemini now, and will be in gemini in december too. that is why i do not know what this rahu kaal is. incidently down south they are ever more aware of rahu kaal etc anyway, i will keep my book aside and do as i please...... anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 Jai Gurudev > > Having said this, the timings listed on website/magazine are > probably > > calculated differently. For those timings, one sud calculate the > > appropriate local time by adding/subtracting the time difference. > > > no, arvind timimgs on the website are the mahendra > +amrit kaals from kaal mirnaya. i have checked this. > still. I guess that the best method is to just calculate your local time by adding/subtracting the time difference. And chant Guru Mantra mala to solve this "unknown mistake". Local time difference sud take care of the different in sunrise timings. Kaal Gyaan definitely gets more and more complicated the more deeper u go into it. Even "pal" is divided into millions of units, and each of these unit is different. And every place is different. The planetary influence changes even within metres. Kaal Gyaan Sadhana cud unravel some of these mysteries, methink Another point to note is this. I read this once in old magazines. There are two auspicious moments which occur daily. One can use these moments to one's advantage. First. 11:30 am to 12:15 am daily ( i think that best time is from 11:45 to 12:15 noon) Second 1:30 in night. This is supposed to be the best time to do night time sadhanas. Apparantly Makar sankranti occurs at this time daily. > > i have no idea about numerology. to be honest i saw some books about > it by cheiro. > but, am not very please with it. because the same name will give > different totals in english, and devnaagri. > atleast in cheiro's books assignment of numbers to alphabets was not > different. > Come on now. U surely dont mean that. Pujya Gurudev has clarified all this confusion. There are tables for devnaagri and english in His books. And numerology relies heavily on "what is usual", i.e. what language do u write your name mostly in, what r u most commonly called as. Numerology has a much greater significance. It was numerology because of which Mrs. Indira Gandhi changed name of her party to congress(I) , and achieved a sweeping victory. And someone told me once, (i dont know if it is true) that the hand symbol (and the lines on it) were recommended to her by pujya Gurudev. If I were u, I won't believe most of stuff which Cheirio wrote. I agree that his books made these sceinces very popular, but then popularity need not be equated with authenticity. He was proficient in Karna Pishachini, and so cud impress people by telling their past (which made him popular). but i dont think that he was much proficient in future prediction (which is much complicated ). > i have even lesser understanding about palmistry. i get hyper and can > find every line good and bad in my palm and worry mysels to death > Get more huper, and perform Sadhanas to change lines. The lines on the hand can be changed by performing Sadhanas and taking Dikshas. And yes, lines do change after this. I have seen it myself. On another note, it is a bit depressing to note that the number of people in the group seem to be shrinking. It had reached 89 1-2 weeks ago, and it has dipped back to 85. When will we make a century? Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2001 Report Share Posted July 20, 2001 --Jai Gurudev dear arvind, jai GURUDEV -- > > no, arvind timimgs on the website are the mahendra > > +amrit kaals from kaal mirnaya. i have checked this. > > > > still. I guess that the best method is to just calculate your local > time by adding/subtracting the time difference. And chant Guru Mantra > mala to solve this "unknown mistake". you are contradicting your own earlier method by proposing this. Even "pal" is > divided into millions of units, and each of these unit is different. > And every place is different. The planetary influence changes even > within metres. > i too read that in kaal nirnaya like you. so, is the problem unsolvable?? Kaal Gyaan Sadhana cud unravel some of these mysteries, methink nope, i am not interested in knowing the past and the future. kaal gyaan sadhna covers that. as for chanting guru mantra before and after-- thanks, i do that in any case. we all do. yet, we have been advised to choose good moments. It is my fault that i did not speak to GURUDEV about this this time i was there. i will do so when ever i speak to him. > Another point to note is this. I read this once in old magazines. > There are two auspicious moments which occur daily. One can use these > moments to one's advantage. > First. 11:30 am to 12:15 am daily ( i think that best time is from > 11:45 to 12:15 noon) > Second 1:30 in night. This is supposed to be the best time to do > night time sadhanas. Apparantly Makar sankranti occurs at this time > daily. yes, i am aware of it. thanks for the reminder. > > > Come on now. U surely dont mean that. Pujya Gurudev has clarified all > this confusion. There are tables for devnaagri and english in His > books. can you give me the exact reference of his book?? people interested in numerology will be happy for that. you may have faith in numerology, i do not object to it. it is just that it does not suit my taste. > Cheiro was proficient in Karna Pishachini, and so cud impress people by > telling their past (which made him popular). but i dont think that he > was much proficient in future prediction (which is much complicated ). > look, i am no great fan of cheiro or numerology. so the last thing i wish to do is defend him. but, still let us make a rule. No statement without exact reference, or proof. > > Get more huper, and perform Sadhanas to change lines. that is one statement worth a million. i have a natural prefernce to astrology which i am trying to unravel. and am amazed by it's depth. and also the shallowness of the understanding of many astrologers.... The lines on > the hand can be changed by performing Sadhanas and taking Dikshas. > And yes, lines do change after this. I have seen it myself. > lines of the hand also change according to the karma you do. yes, all our palms see changes. > > On another note, it is a bit depressing to note that the number of > people in the group seem to be shrinking. It had reached 89 1-2 weeks > ago, and it has dipped back to 85. When will we make a century? > i was the 51st member. i joined sometime in march. we are growing at a steady rate. people join out of curiosity. some get more interested and stay on. others disinterested and bored and leave. we cannot change people's tastes. all we can do is to keep our discussions interesting. good wishes to you, dear brother... jai GURUDEV bye for now anu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2001 Report Share Posted July 21, 2001 Jai Gurudev Dear Anu > with that we come to the problem of whether time is > absolute. i also thought by somewhat similar logic that a moment that > you call 7 am and i call 3.30 am are the same. and if a monet is > inauspicious it should be so every where. though, rahu stays in the same sign, for many months. it is in gemini now, and will be in gemini in december too. that is why i do not know what this rahu kaal is. incidently down south they are ever more aware of rahu kaal etc > anyway, i will keep my book aside and do as i please...... I think time is absolute everywhere and I advise u to take Indian Time as base for calculations. And if sometime is good here the time is good there also and if some time is bad here that is bad there also. Jai Gurudev Charanjit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2001 Report Share Posted July 22, 2001 Jai Gurudev > can you give me the exact reference of his book?? > people interested in numerology will be happy for that. i dont know the exact name of the book. Some of Gurudev's books are Ank Jyotish, Ank Pradipika, Ank Deepika, Subodh Ank Vidhya, Bharatiya Ank Jyotish, Naveen Ank Jyotish etc. Most of these names are courtsey of a Gurubhai based in Haryana who is collecting together the names and publishers of various Gurudev's books. All these books cost between 10 to 40/50 Rupees only. > look, i am no great fan of cheiro or numerology. so the last thing i > wish to do is defend him. but, still let us make a rule. > No statement without exact reference, or proof. Well, couple of things which come to mind instantaneously. He propounded the notion that one sud see the right hand for man and left hand for woman. That is wrong. The primary hand is always the hand_most_in_use. So, for lefties, it will be left hand. Basis of his & Western astrology is zodiac based on movement of sun in which a person stays in a zodiac sign for a month (eg. aries from 23rd march to 22nd april). After that he combines the effect of indian rashi (lunar system) with this. That is wrong, as the combined effect is never 100% correct. The details regarding fate line in his books seem to be wrong. However, i have a very, very limited knowledge in these fields. Still, it is my belief that his books are not 100% correct. Of course, your mileage might vary, and everyone is entitled to one's own beliefs and prejudices. Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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