Siddha Ashram Philosophy

[Guest guest]

Dear Brothers.

 

I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response yet.

What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I recently

spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider that Krisna is

the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence of Krisna and the

impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are aspects of Krisna. This

form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism. What does the Siddha Ashram

worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction this vaisnava philosophy.

 

The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare Krisnas

is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly you would

worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And that also this

worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for realising god

directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the Vedas.

 

Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.

 

Regards

 

Greg Moeliker

[Guest guest]

Dear Greg,

We are a holistic organisation, in the sense that we are not bound by

either Vaishnavism or Shaivite cult. Hindu religion has grown throughout

the ages, and two main cults/sects within it are Vaishnavism and Shaivite.

The Vaishnavites claim Lord Vishnu is supreme , while Shaivites claim Lord

Shiva is supreme.

We believe that the actual supreme element is something above the holy

trinity of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva. The Guru element is supreme of all. The

universe started from it and it merges into it. Basically Guru means

knowledge. Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva exists because of Guru or knowledge. If

knowledge wasnt there, if there wasnt a Guru to tell us about Brahma,

Vishnu or Shiva, then we sont have known about them. All the ancient

scriptures agree to the supremacy of Guru element, and accept that Guru is

the source of all divinity.

So, in a way, while Vaishnavites and Shaivites are correct in choosing one

deity and worshipping it, each one of them is not the whole picture. For

example, who gives knowledge to worship, how to worship. The Guru grants

all knowledge.

I believe that all of these deities merge into a supreme element at the

highest level. And that Supreme element is Gurutava.

However, each deity can grant only a part, not the whole. For example

Goddess Lakshmi can provide wealth and prosperity, Lord Kuber can provide

riches, Goddess Baglamukhi can provide security against enemies etc. But

each one has a limit in a way. However, if one delves deeper and deeper

into a deity, one starts getting fused with the deity and through this

process, starts visualising and understanding the Supreme element. All of

these are various ways and means to achieve the one aim, to fuse into the

supreme.

Siddhashram actually is a physical place situated deep into the Himalayas

wherein ascetics, Rishis and other knowledgable people live. Even Gods want

to enter into Siddhashram, and get very few chances to enter into it. The

Yogis have been performing Sadhana there and exploring the secrets of

universe for past thousands of years. One doesnt get aged there. Death

cannot enter Siddhashram. It is a unique place and is on the highest

pinnacle of spirituality.

>From time to time, Siddhashram has been sending many Ascetics out into the

physical world to keep the knowledge of spiritualism alive within the

populace. During the time of Krishna, we had a similar culture (similar to

now) wherein the materialism ruled the world and everyone was lost in

seeking pleasures. So, Lord Kridhan came in (as an avatar(form) of Lord

Vishnu) to sow seeds of spiritualism. Each age is unique and each age has

different requirements. In my opinion, people at that time were very

highly elevated on Tantra and Sadhanas. Most of the big Tantriks eg. Rishi

Vishwamitra etc. existed at that time and unique weapons were framed using

Tantrik Processes (eg. Agni baan, SarpAstra etc.).

Lord Krishna brought them towards the Bhakti or Devotion, because that was

the need of the time. Devotion is a unique process in itself.

However, over the period of time, people began engrossed in bhakti. It was

a requirement, because Hinduism was attacked by zealots like musmlims

invaders etc, and the devotion was required to keep hinduism alive.

But, just devotion isnt sufficient. As Amit had indicated in a translation

of Gurudev's discourse, Sadhana is the need of the hour. Just shouting "Hre

Rama Hare Krishna" is not enough to solve the troubles and fill the belly

(for example). God only helps those who help themselves.

 

So, I guess that we normally take the holistic approach. The MTYV (Mantra

Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine) publishes Sadhanas on various Gods and

Goddesses. One can select according to one's feelings and Gurudev's advice

and perform Sadhanas. Once one performs Sadhanas and starts achieving

success in it, then one gets more and more encouraged to delve deeper and

deeper into the Spirituality. The Kundalini starts to get activated and one

starts experiencing supreme bliss.

The book Dhyaan Dharna Samadhi (or Meditation & Kundalini Tantra) explain

it in more detail.

 

One always has a direct relationship with the Guru. The Guru acts as a

medium, as a source of knowledge to guide an aspirant on how to worship the

deity, how to avoid the pitfalls, how to utilise the energy thus generated,

and moroever protects the disciple if anything goes wrong. For example,

during Kundalini activation, the energised Kundalini can go into a wrong

path and the Sadhak can become mad, or gets deviated towards carnal

pleasures etc. The Guru guides him all the way and protects him from these

pitfalls. The Guru can do so, because He Himself has been on that path. If

you yourself have climbed a hill, then and only then, you can guide a new

rookie on the intricaties of that hill, about the slippery surface, steep

slope, brittle rocks etc.

 

You also mention about materialistic benefits. In my view, unless one's

material needs are met, one cannot proceed onto spiritual enlightnment.

You can't medidate on your inner mind , if the enemies are trying to pull

down your house, or if poverty is gnawing at you. How can u get inner peace

if your kids are hungry? So, i guess one can proceed further only after

achieving material benefits.

 

Can any fellow listmembers contribute and tell me if I am correct in saying

all this. I have very limited knowledge in this field, and am highly

ignorant.

 

Jai Gurudev

 

 

 

 

 

 

<moeliker

il.com.au>

cc:

11/12/00 08:19

Siddha Ashram Philosophy

Please respond to

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Brothers.

 

I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response yet.

What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I

recently spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider

that Krisna is the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence of

Krisna and the impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are

aspects of Krisna. This form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism. What

does the Siddha Ashram worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction this

vaisnava philosophy.

 

The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare

Krisnas is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly

you would worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And that

also this worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for

realising god directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the

Vedas.

 

Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.

 

Regards

 

Greg Moeliker

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Gurudev

[Guest guest]

Dear Arvind!

 

It was heart filling to read the explanation from your side.

Yes GuruTattav is said to be the highest. As is said by Kabir Das too

 

Guru Gobind Doun Khare Kake Lagun Paanv|

 

i always forget the second part . Meaning Guru (Spiritual teacher) and

Lord are standing before me and i am engulfed in a confusion of whose feet

should i touch first. Then disciple says its the Guru who made me one with

Lord thats why i touch the Holy Feet of Guru first.

 

 

 

 

luv,

Anurag

 

 

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 arvind_sharma wrote:

>

> Dear Greg,

> We are a holistic organisation, in the sense that we are not bound by

> either Vaishnavism or Shaivite cult. Hindu religion has grown throughout

> the ages, and two main cults/sects within it are Vaishnavism and Shaivite.

> The Vaishnavites claim Lord Vishnu is supreme , while Shaivites claim Lord

> Shiva is supreme.

> We believe that the actual supreme element is something above the holy

> trinity of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva. The Guru element is supreme of all. The

> universe started from it and it merges into it. Basically Guru means

> knowledge. Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva exists because of Guru or knowledge. If

> knowledge wasnt there, if there wasnt a Guru to tell us about Brahma,

> Vishnu or Shiva, then we sont have known about them. All the ancient

> scriptures agree to the supremacy of Guru element, and accept that Guru is

> the source of all divinity.

> So, in a way, while Vaishnavites and Shaivites are correct in choosing one

> deity and worshipping it, each one of them is not the whole picture. For

> example, who gives knowledge to worship, how to worship. The Guru grants

> all knowledge.

> I believe that all of these deities merge into a supreme element at the

> highest level. And that Supreme element is Gurutava.

> However, each deity can grant only a part, not the whole. For example

> Goddess Lakshmi can provide wealth and prosperity, Lord Kuber can provide

> riches, Goddess Baglamukhi can provide security against enemies etc. But

> each one has a limit in a way. However, if one delves deeper and deeper

> into a deity, one starts getting fused with the deity and through this

> process, starts visualising and understanding the Supreme element. All of

> these are various ways and means to achieve the one aim, to fuse into the

> supreme.

> Siddhashram actually is a physical place situated deep into the Himalayas

> wherein ascetics, Rishis and other knowledgable people live. Even Gods want

> to enter into Siddhashram, and get very few chances to enter into it. The

> Yogis have been performing Sadhana there and exploring the secrets of

> universe for past thousands of years. One doesnt get aged there. Death

> cannot enter Siddhashram. It is a unique place and is on the highest

> pinnacle of spirituality.

> >From time to time, Siddhashram has been sending many Ascetics out into the

> physical world to keep the knowledge of spiritualism alive within the

> populace. During the time of Krishna, we had a similar culture (similar to

> now) wherein the materialism ruled the world and everyone was lost in

> seeking pleasures. So, Lord Kridhan came in (as an avatar(form) of Lord

> Vishnu) to sow seeds of spiritualism. Each age is unique and each age has

> different requirements. In my opinion, people at that time were very

> highly elevated on Tantra and Sadhanas. Most of the big Tantriks eg. Rishi

> Vishwamitra etc. existed at that time and unique weapons were framed using

> Tantrik Processes (eg. Agni baan, SarpAstra etc.).

> Lord Krishna brought them towards the Bhakti or Devotion, because that was

> the need of the time. Devotion is a unique process in itself.

> However, over the period of time, people began engrossed in bhakti. It was

> a requirement, because Hinduism was attacked by zealots like musmlims

> invaders etc, and the devotion was required to keep hinduism alive.

> But, just devotion isnt sufficient. As Amit had indicated in a translation

> of Gurudev's discourse, Sadhana is the need of the hour. Just shouting "Hre

> Rama Hare Krishna" is not enough to solve the troubles and fill the belly

> (for example). God only helps those who help themselves.

>

> So, I guess that we normally take the holistic approach. The MTYV (Mantra

> Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine) publishes Sadhanas on various Gods and

> Goddesses. One can select according to one's feelings and Gurudev's advice

> and perform Sadhanas. Once one performs Sadhanas and starts achieving

> success in it, then one gets more and more encouraged to delve deeper and

> deeper into the Spirituality. The Kundalini starts to get activated and one

> starts experiencing supreme bliss.

> The book Dhyaan Dharna Samadhi (or Meditation & Kundalini Tantra) explain

> it in more detail.

>

> One always has a direct relationship with the Guru. The Guru acts as a

> medium, as a source of knowledge to guide an aspirant on how to worship the

> deity, how to avoid the pitfalls, how to utilise the energy thus generated,

> and moroever protects the disciple if anything goes wrong. For example,

> during Kundalini activation, the energised Kundalini can go into a wrong

> path and the Sadhak can become mad, or gets deviated towards carnal

> pleasures etc. The Guru guides him all the way and protects him from these

> pitfalls. The Guru can do so, because He Himself has been on that path. If

> you yourself have climbed a hill, then and only then, you can guide a new

> rookie on the intricaties of that hill, about the slippery surface, steep

> slope, brittle rocks etc.

>

> You also mention about materialistic benefits. In my view, unless one's

> material needs are met, one cannot proceed onto spiritual enlightnment.

> You can't medidate on your inner mind , if the enemies are trying to pull

> down your house, or if poverty is gnawing at you. How can u get inner peace

> if your kids are hungry? So, i guess one can proceed further only after

> achieving material benefits.

>

> Can any fellow listmembers contribute and tell me if I am correct in saying

> all this. I have very limited knowledge in this field, and am highly

> ignorant.

>

> Jai Gurudev

<moeliker

> il.com.au>

> cc:

> 11/12/00 08:19

Siddha Ashram Philosophy

> Please respond to

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Brothers.

>

> I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response yet.

> What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I

> recently spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider

> that Krisna is the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence of

> Krisna and the impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are

> aspects of Krisna. This form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism. What

> does the Siddha Ashram worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction this

> vaisnava philosophy.

>

> The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare

> Krisnas is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly

> you would worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And that

> also this worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for

> realising god directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the

> Vedas.

>

> Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.

>

> Regards

>

> Greg Moeliker

Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

>

Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anurag :

 

balihari Guru Aapki, Govind Diyo Milaay

 

meaning. I am gratefula and thankful to you, Gurudev, for making me meet my

Lord.

 

Jai Gurudev

 

 

 

 

Anurag Goel

<anurag (AT) sasi (DOT)

com> cc:

Re: Siddha

Ashram Philosophy

11/12/00

18:31

Please

respond to

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Arvind!

 

It was heart filling to read the explanation from your side.

Yes GuruTattav is said to be the highest. As is said by Kabir Das too

 

Guru Gobind Doun Khare Kake Lagun Paanv|

 

i always forget the second part . Meaning Guru (Spiritual teacher) and

Lord are standing before me and i am engulfed in a confusion of whose feet

should i touch first. Then disciple says its the Guru who made me one with

Lord thats why i touch the Holy Feet of Guru first.

 

 

 

 

luv,

Anurag

 

 

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 arvind_sharma wrote:

>

> Dear Greg,

> We are a holistic organisation, in the sense that we are not bound by

> either Vaishnavism or Shaivite cult. Hindu religion has grown throughout

> the ages, and two main cults/sects within it are Vaishnavism and

Shaivite.

> The Vaishnavites claim Lord Vishnu is supreme , while Shaivites claim

Lord

> Shiva is supreme.

> We believe that the actual supreme element is something above the holy

> trinity of Brahma Vishnu and Shiva. The Guru element is supreme of all.

The

> universe started from it and it merges into it. Basically Guru means

> knowledge. Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva exists because of Guru or knowledge. If

> knowledge wasnt there, if there wasnt a Guru to tell us about Brahma,

> Vishnu or Shiva, then we sont have known about them. All the ancient

> scriptures agree to the supremacy of Guru element, and accept that Guru

is

> the source of all divinity.

> So, in a way, while Vaishnavites and Shaivites are correct in choosing

one

> deity and worshipping it, each one of them is not the whole picture. For

> example, who gives knowledge to worship, how to worship. The Guru grants

> all knowledge.

> I believe that all of these deities merge into a supreme element at the

> highest level. And that Supreme element is Gurutava.

> However, each deity can grant only a part, not the whole. For example

> Goddess Lakshmi can provide wealth and prosperity, Lord Kuber can provide

> riches, Goddess Baglamukhi can provide security against enemies etc. But

> each one has a limit in a way. However, if one delves deeper and deeper

> into a deity, one starts getting fused with the deity and through this

> process, starts visualising and understanding the Supreme element. All of

> these are various ways and means to achieve the one aim, to fuse into the

> supreme.

> Siddhashram actually is a physical place situated deep into the Himalayas

> wherein ascetics, Rishis and other knowledgable people live. Even Gods

want

> to enter into Siddhashram, and get very few chances to enter into it. The

> Yogis have been performing Sadhana there and exploring the secrets of

> universe for past thousands of years. One doesnt get aged there. Death

> cannot enter Siddhashram. It is a unique place and is on the highest

> pinnacle of spirituality.

> >From time to time, Siddhashram has been sending many Ascetics out into

the

> physical world to keep the knowledge of spiritualism alive within the

> populace. During the time of Krishna, we had a similar culture (similar

to

> now) wherein the materialism ruled the world and everyone was lost in

> seeking pleasures. So, Lord Kridhan came in (as an avatar(form) of Lord

> Vishnu) to sow seeds of spiritualism. Each age is unique and each age has

> different requirements. In my opinion, people at that time were very

> highly elevated on Tantra and Sadhanas. Most of the big Tantriks eg.

Rishi

> Vishwamitra etc. existed at that time and unique weapons were framed

using

> Tantrik Processes (eg. Agni baan, SarpAstra etc.).

> Lord Krishna brought them towards the Bhakti or Devotion, because that

was

> the need of the time. Devotion is a unique process in itself.

> However, over the period of time, people began engrossed in bhakti. It

was

> a requirement, because Hinduism was attacked by zealots like musmlims

> invaders etc, and the devotion was required to keep hinduism alive.

> But, just devotion isnt sufficient. As Amit had indicated in a

translation

> of Gurudev's discourse, Sadhana is the need of the hour. Just shouting

"Hre

> Rama Hare Krishna" is not enough to solve the troubles and fill the belly

> (for example). God only helps those who help themselves.

>

> So, I guess that we normally take the holistic approach. The MTYV (Mantra

> Tantra Yantra Vigyan magazine) publishes Sadhanas on various Gods and

> Goddesses. One can select according to one's feelings and Gurudev's

advice

> and perform Sadhanas. Once one performs Sadhanas and starts achieving

> success in it, then one gets more and more encouraged to delve deeper and

> deeper into the Spirituality. The Kundalini starts to get activated and

one

> starts experiencing supreme bliss.

> The book Dhyaan Dharna Samadhi (or Meditation & Kundalini Tantra) explain

> it in more detail.

>

> One always has a direct relationship with the Guru. The Guru acts as a

> medium, as a source of knowledge to guide an aspirant on how to worship

the

> deity, how to avoid the pitfalls, how to utilise the energy thus

generated,

> and moroever protects the disciple if anything goes wrong. For example,

> during Kundalini activation, the energised Kundalini can go into a wrong

> path and the Sadhak can become mad, or gets deviated towards carnal

> pleasures etc. The Guru guides him all the way and protects him from

these

> pitfalls. The Guru can do so, because He Himself has been on that path.

If

> you yourself have climbed a hill, then and only then, you can guide a new

> rookie on the intricaties of that hill, about the slippery surface, steep

> slope, brittle rocks etc.

>

> You also mention about materialistic benefits. In my view, unless one's

> material needs are met, one cannot proceed onto spiritual enlightnment.

> You can't medidate on your inner mind , if the enemies are trying to pull

> down your house, or if poverty is gnawing at you. How can u get inner

peace

> if your kids are hungry? So, i guess one can proceed further only after

> achieving material benefits.

>

> Can any fellow listmembers contribute and tell me if I am correct in

saying

> all this. I have very limited knowledge in this field, and am highly

> ignorant.

>

> Jai Gurudev

<moeliker

> il.com.au> To:

> cc:

> 11/12/00 08:19 Subject:

Siddha Ashram Philosophy

> Please respond to

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Brothers.

>

> I sent a message to Gurudev last week and have not received a response

yet.

> What I wanted to know about is the philosophy of the Sidda Ashram. I

> recently spent some time with the Hare Krisnas in Adelaide, who consider

> that Krisna is the personal aspect of God and that Om is the effulgence

of

> Krisna and the impersonal aspect, and that Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are

> aspects of Krisna. This form of worship is classified as Vaisnavism.

What

> does the Siddha Ashram worship as God?? Shiva?? Or do they sanction

this

> vaisnava philosophy.

>

> The other thing is all this worship of demi gods according to the Hare

> Krisnas is an indirect form of worship of Krisna. But to do it directly

> you would worship Krishna and cut out the middle man )demi god). And

that

> also this worship of demi god is for materialistic benefits and not for

> realising god directly, and is part of the Karma Kanda section of the

> Vedas.

>

> Is this all correct, what is the Siddha Ashram Phiosophy in this respect.

>

> Regards

>

> Greg Moeliker

Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

>

Jay Gurudev

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

Jay Gurudev