Respectful Woman; KDAS-17 -V iragyam - Dispassion ? or Renunciation ?

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When Women talk such things I feel so blissful, definitely the Aryan Culture

was blessed and glorious because we had women like you Adi ji...definitely

Adi ji you are a jewel ...

I don't want to talk much about renunciation, dispassion and all...much has

been said about all these spiritual concepts many times in the group...This

group is blessed with really elevated souls...My humble Prostrations to all

in the group !!! Very nice :-)

Your Gurudev said the right thing...I am sure that you have realised why

your Guru said it :-)

Kabir ji said

Pativrata maili bhali...kali kuchala kurup

Pativrata ke roop par ... bharo koti swaroop

Meaning a virtuous woman who is staunchly committed to her husband and

family ... even if she is dark & ugly looking is looked upon with respect

with all (even God bows to such women) and that tens of millions of

Beautiful Women can be disregarded for one such "Pati-Vrata"

Today especially when women are losing their womanhood rapidly, Adi ji, I

am everyday coming across women like you that reinstates and reinforces my

faith in womanhood.

My humble reverences to all such women and I bow to the Mother inside you.

Hariom...my thursdays are always pleasing, God shows up to me in some form

or the other on Mondays and Thursdays...Today God showed up as Adi_Shakthi16

ji...I bow to you O Almighty Mother of all !

Hariom

 

On 10/13/05, adi_shakthi16 <adi_shakthi16 wrote:

>

> Namaskarams to Shriman Professorji and all the Satsanghis !

>

> Let me first thank you and Chitta for acknowldging my presence in

> this group. I also thank Sunder-ji for coming up with the correct

> answer to the question as to who actually composed 'Ayi Giri

> Nandini' - Shri Ramakrishna Kavi. i Thought it was Adi SHankara who

> composed this beautiful lyrics all along -The learning never stops.

>

> In any case, as member Iswarananda has observed 'Let us enjoy the

> beauty and divinity of this great verse and drown in the LOVE of the

> divine mother Durga.'Jai MAA!

>

> I have been reading your series on Kanchi Acharya's discourse. Very

> informative, indeed.

>

> Professor-ji, you state in your illuminating essay -

>

> *And that is the part Number Two in the four parts of

> Saadhana-ChatushhTayaM. That is called *VairaagyaM*

> (Dispassion). It is also called *virakti* .*

>

> Yes! the correct English translation of Vairagyam is dispassion -

> atleast, the most common one.

>

> But, my question to You, professor-ji, are 'vairagyam and Virakti'

> synonyms? In my limited understanding , Virakti involves also the

> concept of 'Renunciation' - is it not? In Vairagyam, you are 'in the

> world' but 'not of the world . ' You live like a dewdrop on a lotus

> leaf - ( knowing fully well that this whole world is impermanent )

>

> The fourth verse in Baja govindam stotra composed by Adi shankara

> (????? smile) is ......

>

> naliniidalagata jalamatitaralaM

> tadvajjiivitamatishayachapalam.h .

> viddhi vyaadhyabhimaanagrastaM

> lokaM shokahataM cha samastam.h

>

> Translation

>

> The life of a man is as uncertain as rain drops trembling on a lotus

> leaf. Know that the whole world remains a prey to disease, ego and

> grief.

>

> and therefore we are indirectly advised to give up all

> desires . "dukhalayam iti samsaram." ( this world is full of misery)

>

> Saints like Swami Vivekananda even go one step further and say " it

> is not enough to give up desires but recommend Renunciation. ' ( not

> only giving up desires and attachment to desires but Sanyasa)

>

> A favorite verse of Swami vivekananda is ( VERSE 31 )From

> Bhatruhari's Vairagya Shatakam is this -

>

> bhoge rogabhaya.n kule chyutibhaya.n vitta nR^ipaalaadbhayaM

> maane dainyabhayaM bale ripubhaya.n ruupe jaraayaa bhayam.h .

> shaastre vaadibhaya.n guNe khalabhaya.n kaaye kR^itaantaadbhaya.n

> sarva.n vastu bhayaanvitaM bhuvi nR^iNaa.n vairaagyamevaabhayam.h ..

>

> There is fear of disease in the enjoyment of sensual pleasures;

> in lineage, fear of decline;

> in riches, fear of kings;

> fear of humiliation in honor;

> fear of enemies when in power;

> fear of old age in beauty;

> in learning, fear of disputants;

> in virtue, fear of the wicked;

> in body, fear of death.

>

> All facets of man's life on earth engender fear; renunciation alone

> is fearless.

>

> so, my question to professorji is this - while 'dispassion' is

> relatively easy to practice for Grihastas , Renunciation is a far

> more difficult concept. More so, for women. My gurudeva said "A

> woman's duty is always towards her family' and Sanyasa is not

> recommended for women. '

>

> So can we really equate Dispassion with Renunciation ?

>

> Adi Shankara Bhagwan sings thus in 'Nirvana Shatakam'

>

> Na Me Dvesha Raagau Na Me Lobha Mohau

> Mado Naiva Me Naiva Maatsarya Bhaavah

> Na Dharmo Na Chaartho Na Kaamo Na Mokshah

> Chidaananda Roopah Shivoham Shivoham

>

>

> I have neither hatred nor liking,

> I have neither greed nor delusion,

> I have indeed neither pride

> nor jealousy,

> I have no duty (to perform),

> nor any wealth (to acquire),

> I have no craving (for pleasure),

> I am not being bound (for

> liberation),

> I am of the nature of Pure

> Consciousness and Bliss,

> I am all Auspiciousness.

>

> I am Shiva .

>

> Jaya jaya Shankara!

>

> Hara Hara Shankara !

>

> Salutations to the lotus feet of Kanchi Acharya

>

>

>

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