Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Hello Ken et al, Nice invitation! Don't have time at the moment, but later this evening will write more on this interesting topic. Nothing that is said here is incompatible with direct experience. In fact, all experience is awareness only. P.S. I'm in the U.S., New York. Om! --Greg At 12:30 PM 08/08/2001 -0700, ken knight wrote: >>>> > > Lovely Ken - Profound truths are so simple to > express. Dear Sadananda, Madhava and Greg, Assuming that you are all in US, don't you lot sleep? By midday here in UK I had your replies to my 11am (here) e-mail. Thank you for your encouragement. Can we follow this line a bit further please? ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 >People in the group have asked me to talk a little >more about this 'sweetness' and I wonder if any of you >have any observations to pass on to them, >Thank you all >Om sri ram jai jai ram > Ken - Sweet experiences or memories we say when mind wants to experience that again since of all the tastes, sweetness is naturally experienced by a child on - the rest becomes acquired tastes as one grows. There is a song - madhuraatipati akhilam madhuram - That song is full of madhuram - describing the beauty of Lord Krishna - I think it is Shankara's composition, but I am not sure. There are beautiful tapes of that song by MS Subbalakshmi, of course by others as well. Beautiful is an esthetic sense when it is an appreciation by not only from one sense organ by all the sense organs. When we see the majesty of Niagara Falls our mind goes blank with wonder and there it is not intellectual compression but appreciation as it is. You want to repeat that experience you may call it as sweet memory. Any way these are subjective description of that reality. When you see the smile of an innocent child - it is sweet - you mind also momentarily become free from all duality at that instant. When one reads Geetanjali of Tagore describing the beauty of nature - and the creator behind it - your mind cannot but dwell in that sweetness of the beauty. Words cannot express it but all words try to express that profound experience. Mahaa vaykaa-s are condensation of that profound state in a simple looking statements. The Ch. Up pointing to the truth presenting in a simple logical analysis so clearly that it baffles the intellect - You cannot but bow down with humility to the wisdom of the sages. Yes I understand your sweet experiences of that beautiful state. May you always revel in that. Hari Om! Sadananda _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 advaitin, "Kuntimaddi Sadananda" <k_sadananda@h...> wrote: > >People in the group have asked me to talk a little > >more about this 'sweetness' and I wonder if any of you > >have any observations to pass on to them, > >Thank you all > >Om sri ram jai jai ram > > > Ken - Sweet experiences or memories we say when mind wants to experience > that again since of all the tastes, sweetness is naturally experienced by a > child on - the rest becomes acquired tastes as one grows. There is a song - > madhuraatipati akhilam madhuram - That song is full of madhuram - describing > the beauty of Lord Krishna - I think it is Shankara's composition, but I am > not sure. Namaste, The song is a composition of Sri Vallabhacharya. In Bhakti literature, 'madhuraa bhakti' is described as the stage of perfection of love for the Divine. Descriptions abound in Bhagavata Purana [eg 'gopii giita'], and biographies of Chaitanya and Ramakrishna. Taittiriya upanishad gives a 'calculus' of bliss/ happiness /aananda in II:viii:1 . Brihadaranyaka upan. II:v:1 uses the word madhu numerous times; the whole section [Ch. I & II] is called 'madhu-kaaNDa'! A favorite eponym of Krishna is Madhava ['maadhava'] Regards, s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2001 Report Share Posted August 8, 2001 Namaste, This song is Madhurashtakam by Sri Vallabhacharya. The song by Sri Shankaracharya also sung by M.S. is GovindaAshtakam which begins with Sathyam Jnanam Anantham Nityam.... It is interesting to note that almost every song on Krishna Bhagavan concentrates on His Vrindavan Leela. In fact Swami Vivekanada has praised the Raasa Leela of Sri Krishna with the Gopis even higher than the Bhagavad Gita. Regards, Anand >There is a song - >madhuraatipati akhilam madhuram - That song is full of >madhuram - describing >the beauty of Lord Krishna - I think it is Shankara's >composition, but I am >not sure. There are beautiful tapes of that song by >MS Subbalakshmi, of >course by others as well. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 Ken, if you've experienced the truth - more power to you. Good day! advaitin, ken knight <hilken_98@Y...> wrote: > > > > 'Only that which has a boundary can be divided.' > > >We're limited human beings trying to be unlimited. > > How can that which is limited become unlimited?...It > cannot. > How can the unlimited become limited? It cannot. > > >In such an effort what's the utility in merely > > speculating/theorizing about > > the unlimited? > The statement at the top of this page is not > speculation. It is direct experience. > (speculation...or we should say using the organs of > mind to reflect upon Brahman...is better practise > than the dreamful imprisonment in delusion through the > ahankaric attachments.) > The words that you read at the top of the page, and > the letters that you perceive, are limited; without > connection through and in direct experience they are > meaningless except superficially in the limited. > The reason that the other three main correspondents in > this discussion connected with the beauty of the words > is because they have known and been known by and in > the direct experience. They are not alone. In England > we have an archived collection of thousands of > religious/spiritual experiences that point to an > ineffable yet 'knowing' consciousness. > > But can you point to anything in this world which > > doesn't have a > > boundry? Only thing I can think of is space. But we > > are not space are > > we? > Between the molecular structure of all forms there is > space as there is within the form and outside of the > form. This space therefore is unbroken. The finite > aspects of mind cannot conceive of infinite space but > such a thing can be inferred but it is still only a > symbol for the substratum that is the single > consciousness, Brahman, that pervades all but is not > in contact with anything...Sanskrit word slesh. > You use the word 'point' and that is useful here. > A point has no dimension and therefore has no place in > the dimensional world you wish me to perceive. However > that point is everywhere at the centre of whatever we > perceive. As long as you perceive the maya with > consciousness so attached then this point becomes the > Jiva. When you consider the secondary meaning of Tat > Tvam Asi then Brahman is Brahman: the point in > dimensionless space is revealed as the space itself. > So to is the revelation of the Jiva in Brahman. > In this you will find the meaning of the brief saying > we are discussing. > A question may be asked. > How can such abstract ideas be sensibly discussed in > finite words? > Ideally we should be using oral communication but here > is some help from Shankara's Upadesa Sahasri > 18v202,203: > 'It is true that all sentences conveying information > about the not-self yield abstract knowledge only. But > it is not so with sentences about the inmost Self, for > there are exceptions, as in the case of the one who > realised he was the tenth. > (I assume you are familiar with this story) > One should accept that the Self is its own means of > knowledge (sva-pramaanaka) which is synonomous with > being directly knowable to itself (svayamvedyatva). On > our view, whenm the ego is dissolved experience of > one's own Self is realised.' > Happy studying > Ken Knight > > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger > http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 Then why does Chinmay Mission list it under Shankaracharya's Stotrams? Ananda Natarajan Ji wrote: > This song is Madhurashtakam by Sri > Vallabhacharya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 --- vpcnk wrote: > Ken, if you've experienced the truth - more power to > you. > > Good day! > We all have and we all enjoy the play. How big the playground we choose limits the way we play but it is better to start from the limitless. I think that you and I have enjoyed our play together but I take it from this answer that you want to take your ball and go home. Have a good time, Ken Knight Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2001 Report Share Posted August 9, 2001 Sweetness! Many ways to talk about it! There is an ineffable sweetness when certain scriptures are read or chanted. There is the beckoning sweetness of inquiry, which gently draws one to know their true nature. And then there is the sweetness as the background source of all experience. In terms of speaking of experience, it is the source of all experiences. If speaking of that which is unbroken and undivided, it is this awareness itself. It is present in an unbroken fashion, as close as, and as borderless as the I-principle. The Panchadasi has a line in I think the 3rd volume that talks about this sweetness as the constant unbroken cool of standing in the Ganges River even though the sun is beating down on one's head. Om! --Greg At 12:30 PM 08/08/2001 -0700, ken knight wrote: When we hear something like 'Only that which has a boundary can be divided' there is instant recognition and in that moment of knowing we can speak of it as being 'beautiful' or 'lovely'. .... At the moment, with some friends, I am studying the practical application of the Mahavakyas....oh no, not again do I hear you cry?....and one group member spoke of the sweetness she experienced while reading the Chandogya Upanishad. This was echoed by another who reported an identical experience from her home life. It was very clear that they were speaking of a very special quality and yet they know nothing of Sanskrit and the use of the word madhur in the sruti. They had never discussed the word before. .... People in the group have asked me to talk a little more about this 'sweetness' and I wonder if any of you have any observations to pass on to them, Thank you all Om sri ram jai jai ram Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger <http://phonecard./>http://phonecard./ Sponsor <http://rd./M=210156.1528653.3092245.1456761/D=egroupweb/S=17050759 91:HM/A=734164/R=0/*https://www.joinonespirit.com/mybookclub/healthyliving/b ookclubs/osp/JoinFast/c2/c2_coupon.htm/?src=015_02_hh_273_181_1433> Discussion of Shankara's Advaita Vedanta Philosophy of nonseparablity of Atman and Brahman. Advaitin List Archives available at: <http://www.eScribe.com/culture/advaitin/>http://www.eScribe.com/culture/adv aitin/ To Post a message send an email to : advaitin Messages Archived at: <advaitin/messages>/gro up/advaitin/messages Your use of is subject to the <> <<<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Namaste, Prayers Unto Him, 2nd ed. 1985, p. 96, publ. by Central Chinmaya Mission Trust, Bangalore, credits the work to Sri Vallabhacharya. The following URLs can be enjoyed by all: http://www.ramanuja.org/new/stotras/madhurashtakam.txt [text with English translation] http://www.sailu.com/text/devotional.html [audio, sung by Subbalaxmi] Regards, s advaitin, "Siddhartha Krishna" <sidha@d...> wrote: > Then why does Chinmay Mission list it under Shankaracharya's Stotrams? > > Ananda Natarajan Ji wrote: > > This song is Madhurashtakam by Sri > > Vallabhacharya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2001 Report Share Posted August 10, 2001 Thanks, but it is very strange, because the two cassettes "Shankaracharya's Stotrams" by Swami Brahmananda has this stotra, that is why I was wondering. Thanks, Siddhartha > Prayers Unto Him, 2nd ed. 1985, p. 96, publ. by Central > Chinmaya Mission Trust, Bangalore, credits the work to Sri > Vallabhacharya. s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2001 Report Share Posted August 11, 2001 Hare Krishna, Yes, U R right sidhartha prabhuji, Madhuraashtakam (every stanza ends in Madhuraadhipathe akhilam madhuram) is there in one of these 2 cassettes published by Chinmaya Mission, Bangalore which contains Sri Shankaracharya's hymns with some vedic shanti mantras. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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