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||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama:||

 

I need a clarification on the Vamana Avatharam. The story goes like Vishnu in

the form of young boy Vamana, came asking for three foot of land to Mahabali and

with one foot he measured the entire bhumi, with one foot the Akasha and since

there was no place for the third foot Mahabali gave his head.

 

 

 

Here is my question:

 

Mahabali was also in the Bhumi. How was he not covered in the first footstep

when Vishnu was measuring the Bhumi with the first step

 

Waiting for a nice explanation.

 

Adiyen

 

Aravamudha Dhaasan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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respected sir

 

i feel in a different way. the whole world ( including

the sentient and nonsentient) can be bifurcated in to

trivias as sthula suxma and karana) ( ref thaithreeya

upanishad- boo - the material part - buva: the field

of vayu - ( thoughts- vital) suva: the self

 

here i would like to point out ( idham vishnur

vicakramE thretha nidhathE padham ) this metephor had

become the legend of vaman avatar

 

regards

parakaalan

 

 

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> I need a clarification on the Vamana Avatharam. The

> story goes like Vishnu in the form of young boy

> Vamana, came asking for three foot of land to

> Mahabali and with one foot he measured the entire

> bhumi, with one foot the Akasha and since there was

> no place for the third foot Mahabali gave his head.

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> Here is my question:

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> Mahabali was also in the Bhumi. How was he not

> covered in the first footstep when Vishnu was

> measuring the Bhumi with the first step

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> Waiting for a nice explanation.

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> Adiyen

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> Aravamudha Dhaasan

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sapremapranams

 

in continuation of my previous post i have to raise

this question to the scbolars of this group.sri bhumi

piratti gave birth to narakasura during the

incarnation of lord mhavishnu as varaha? how an asura

can take a birth from a divine couple?

 

 

adiyen begs to remain

parakaalan

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Sri Krishnaya Namah!

 

A clarification for this through my limited knowledge from reading puranas

is as below:

 

When He starts growing tall, he conquers the whole galaxy thus, when he is

measuring the planet earth He keeps His divyapadam several thousand feets

above the circumference of earth, taking care of His jeevas not to get

destroyed under His divyapadam. He must have did this being not on earth

but being on space, allowing Himself for better positioning. This is like

a marble underneath our feet. Though He did like this, somehow His

divyapadam touches the edge of the Himalayas, thus blood(Ganga) gushes out

of His Padam and Lord Brahma collects the same in His Kamandalam, lest the

planet earth will be immersed in it. This is how Ganga born and lived in

Brahmaloka till she gets on the Jata of Lord Shiva.

 

This same vigraham of Lord measures the Sky also, after wards, He must have

got adequate posture and position to Push Bali into Pathala. This very

avataram (also called as Trivikram) and the way He had positioned Himself

is beyond the knowledge of jeevas, though this may be defined to some

extent in puranas. He can take any shape & size, within mili seconds to do

what He wanted to do and His deeds are beyond our knowledge.

 

I will appreciate if any gyanis of this group elaborate and clearly explain

this.

 

Sukumar

 

Sri Krishna Parabrahmane Namah!

 

 

 

Srinivasan Balaji [sMTP:adiyen03]

06/04/2003 7:58 AM

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||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama:||

 

I need a clarification on the Vamana Avatharam. The story goes like Vishnu

in the form of young boy Vamana, came asking for three foot of land to

Mahabali and with one foot he measured the entire bhumi, with one foot the

Akasha and since there was no place for the third foot Mahabali gave his

head.

 

 

 

Here is my question:

 

Mahabali was also in the Bhumi. How was he not covered in the first

footstep when Vishnu was measuring the Bhumi with the first step

 

Waiting for a nice explanation.

 

Adiyen

 

Aravamudha Dhaasan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama: ||

Thanks for your explnation. Can you clarify to my further on the following:

1) Why did Vamana left out Mahabali in the first measure.

2) Assuming that he needed a foot of land, he didn't have to push Mahabali all

the way into Paadhaala loka. He just had to push him at most 6 feet. why did he

push him to paadhaala loka? by the way, what is paadhaala loka??

3) Assuming that he left out Mahabali in his initial measure, Mahabali should

have moved aside when vamana wanted to measure his third foot. what essentially

vamana needs is a foot of land and does not have tocrush mahabali into paadhaala

to get it. By moving aside, Mahabali cannot own that land as it had already been

given to vamana. What is the reason Vamana resorted to acquiring land in this

odd way?

As Vamana is the incarnation of Vishnu, the source of all knowledge, and

Mahabali was also not a dumb King there should be much deeper meaning to this

episode which has to be researched.

Pardon me if I was wrong

Adiyen

Aravamudha Dhaasan

Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhan wrote:Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

 

This is a good question that could be explained by the vyapaka

shakthi of the ultimate. If one says he measure the entire earth with

one foot, how could he do that? Earth is round. Thiruvadi is flat.

So, how could he measure the entire earth? One might also ask, if he

put his thiruvadi on the earth, wouldn't he have crushed everything

on the earth? So, the logical explanation is that he did measure, not

in terms of the sthula shareeram, but with his exceptional vyapakam.

That is the ultimate's greatnes. His antharyamithvam is amazing. As

we say antharyami i.e he exists everywhere, he could manifest the way

he want that we cannot even comprehend given the restriction of our

five senses. He could manifest himself as the air(or whatever) and

measure the entire earth letting everyone alive, uncrushed, in shape

etc(like the modern scientist who measure the distance between

different spots on earth using some electromagnetic waves). So, we

have to understand that the lord measured the entire earth, excepting

mahabhali, with one foot. As he did this, his second foot was already

seen measuring the rest of the universe. Again, this was not through

the sthula shareeram(that the human brain comprehends) of the lord.

The third one was ofcourse with the sthula shareera that had the

intention of putting the bhali in the paadaala loka.

 

I hope I haven't given any superficial explanation. In case you feel

I did, my humble apologies.

 

Yatheendra Pravanam Vandhe RAMYA Jamataram Munim

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Lakshmi Narasimhan

 

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Respected Members,

 

According to both Sri Vishnu Puranam and Srimad Bhagavatham, there is no

mention of Sri Vamana putting the 3 step over Mahabali's head.

After the Lord, measured the whole universe, Mahabali stood speechless

devoid of any further ego.

By this process, Lord, earned the rightful kingdom back to his 'brother'

Indira.

 

It is interesting to note that one of Lord's name is 'Upendra' , brother of

Indra.

 

 

 

Regards

 

KM Narayanan

 

[ To clarify what Sri Narayanan has pointed out: Srimad Bhagavatam does have

Bali begging Vamana perumAL to place his foot on his head as the third step

This, so that the word he (Bali) gave may not go untrue. What is not mentioned

is if perumAL went on to do it.----Moderator]

 

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||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama: ||

Thanks for the information. It is a news to me that Vishnu Puranam and Srimad

Bhagavatham does not mention about Lord putting his thiruvadi on Mahabali. Then

how did the other story propagate? Can someone clarify?

Further I need one clarification about UPENDRA. If we look at Narayana Sooktham

Lord is mentioned as INDRA ( " SaBrahma sa Shiva Sa Indra Sokshara Parama

Swaraat"). Does this mean he is Brother of himself?

I would highly appreciate if someone clarifies me on these.

Adiyen

Aravamudha Dhaasan

"K.M.Narayanan" <sriramajayam wrote:Respected Members,

 

According to both Sri Vishnu Puranam and Srimad Bhagavatham, there is no

mention of Sri Vamana putting the 3 step over Mahabali's head.

After the Lord, measured the whole universe, Mahabali stood speechless

devoid of any further ego.

By this process, Lord, earned the rightful kingdom back to his 'brother'

Indira.

It is interesting to note that one of Lord's name is 'Upendra' , brother of

Indra.

Regards

KM Narayanan

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||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama: ||

Sorry for not replying earlier. Meanwhile I got another mail saying that there

is no proof in Vishnu Puranam or Bhagavatam that Lord put his Thiruvadi on

Mahabali. If that is so, then our discussions may not be needed. However

assuming that Lord put his feet on Mahabali's head, I still have the following

doubts:

1) As per your argument these measures are not to be seen from a physical

viewpoint but with a different perspective. If Lord's main reason for asking

three foot measure is to show his might and curtail the ego of MAhabali, why did

ne need three foot. Even in the first foot he could have said that I don't have

enough land or space and embarassed him. what is the necessity for 3 foot

 

2) Bhumi or earth is infinitesimal compared with the universe and ofcourse Lord

being the creator knows this equally well. Why did he have to waste the first

foot on measuring the Bhumi - {MAhabali}. Instead he could have measured

Universe - {Mahabali} in the first foot itself. Why did he need 3 foot of

measure?

3) Why did Lord had to take the form of Vamana or Dwarf to beg yaachakam from

Mahabali? Why didn't he come as a normal human being?

4) I still need clarification about Paadhaala loka. What is it and why was

Mahabali pushed far down to Paadhaala loka?

5) In later avataras, like Rama and Krishna, the Lord gives enough chance to the

opponent before attacking him. HAnuman was sent as an ambassador and later

Angatha to see if Ravana can be convinced. Similar thing happens also with

respect to Duryodhana where Krishna himself takes that role. IT is to be noted

that Mahabali is not a difficult person to handle, as like Hiranya Kasibu, and

he was a worshipper of vishnu. He could have been easily convinced to stop the

Yagna or so and explained the situation if his deed was wrong. But why was it

not done?

Looking for convincing answers for my doubts. As Lakshmi Narasimhan pointed out

Mahabali was not dumb. By the same token, Lord was not dumb enough to ask for 3

feet when he can perform the same feat in 1 or 2 feet.

Adiyen

Aravamudha Dhaasan

Lakshmi Narasimhan <nrusimhan wrote:7AAF2FF2-2655-4795-AC4A-

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||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama: ||

Thanks for your explnation. Can you clarify to my further on the following:

1) Why did Vamana left out Mahabali in the first measure.

This was intentional. The lord wanted to place his feet after mahabali

surrendered to the lord seeing his greatness.

2) Assuming that he needed a foot of land, he didn't have to push Mahabali all

the way into Paadhaala loka. He just had to push him at most 6 feet. why did he

push him to paadhaala loka? by the way, what is paadhaala loka??

The lord did not want a foot of land. Bhali had mentioned to vamana that he

could ask anything in this universe and bhali would be able to get it for him.

When lord became Thrivikraman he exclaims to Bhali that, "I have used up 2 of my

3 feet measure, I don't have any other place now. But you promised me 3 feet.

What shall I do now". Bhali realizing that the lord is all more powerful than

him surrenders unto him and requests the lord to place the his holy feet on

him(charanau charanam)

3) Assuming that he left out Mahabali in his initial measure, Mahabali should

have moved aside when vamana wanted to measure his third foot. what essentially

vamana needs is a foot of land and does not have tocrush mahabali into paadhaala

to get it. By moving aside, Mahabali cannot own that land as it had already been

given to vamana. What is the reason Vamana resorted to acquiring land in this

odd way?

This would have happened if bhali was dumb enough even after seeing the lord

measuring the entire universe excepting him with just two feet:) I am sorry for

that statement, but we should think from the appropriate personality's

perspective. Even after seeing the power of lord why would bhali move aside and

give the place for third foot? I did not mean anything against you. I just

wanted to let you know of the way I thought. Please do not take anything wrong

from my mail. By nature, I am humorous, but I lack expressiveness and hence may

have sounded rude in this post. But I didn't intend to. So, please forgive me

for any mistakes/misinformation.

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Dear Sri Srinivasan,

 

Sri Vamana was born to Aditi(mother of Devas) who also bore Indira.

She prayed in her previous birth to Lord, that he be born to her as a son.

Please refer Sri Vishnu Puranam or Sri Bhagavatha Maha puranam on

additional details.

 

Thanks

Regards

KM Narayanan

 

 

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Re: Vamana Avatharam

 

 

||Srimathe Ramanujaaya Nama: ||

Thanks for the information. It is a news to me that Vishnu Puranam and

Srimad Bhagavatham does not mention about Lord putting his thiruvadi on

Mahabali. Then how did the other story propagate? Can someone clarify?

Further I need one clarification about UPENDRA. If we look at Narayana

Sooktham Lord is mentioned as INDRA ( " SaBrahma sa Shiva Sa Indra Sokshara

Parama Swaraat"). Does this mean he is Brother of himself?

I would highly appreciate if someone clarifies me on these.

Adiyen

Aravamudha Dhaasan

 

 

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