Guest guest Report post Posted February 27, 2003 respected sri vaishnavas i am a new comer to this group. i have a problem. in our village we have an ancient sri venugopalaswamy temple. thre was an agraharam in our village. my elders used to say that agraharam was full of vedic pundits. now there is not even single brahmin family to perform the aradhana for the swami. it is kept locked . once in a blue moon we used to go to the nearby town and bring one brahmin archaka to do thirumancanam and little prasadam for perumal the archaga comes with so much of hesitation. is there any other alternative solution for this? i am naidu (xathria) by birth. can anyone teach us the way to do aradhanam ? are we empowered to do that? out of nine avatars so far only two are from brahmin community (vamana and parasurama) and they are not worshipped? why? can any scholars in this group elucidate me please adiyen ramanuja daasan parankucan Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 27, 2003 --- paranguca naidu <parankuca_naidu Dear Sir I was moved by your letter and the devotional fervour with which you have written.I am not an authority on anything to say what I am writing but the Supreme Lord will stand by me as he stood for Gajendra and Prahlada.He wants absolute devotion and nothing else.Once the Aradhanam in the temple is stopped the Lord moves out of his Srivigraha to srivaikunta,so now what you have to do is fresh kumbabishekam,regarding you personally doing aradhanam I think there will be no scripture against it because The supreme Lord is equal for all devotees and he is not for a particular caste,you will have to go an Acharya and he should teach you and that is correct way,these are always learnt through a teacher.which village are you from and may be I can suggest a person Hare Krsna narasimhadasan wrote: > > respected sri vaishnavas > > i am a new comer to this group. > > i have a problem. in our village we have an ancient > sri venugopalaswamy temple. > > thre was an agraharam in our village. my elders used > to say that agraharam was full of vedic pundits. now > there is not even single brahmin family to perform > the aradhana for the swami. it is kept locked . once > in a blue moon we used to go to the nearby town and > bring one brahmin archaka to do thirumancanam and > little prasadam for perumal > > the archaga comes with so much of hesitation. is > there any other alternative solution for this? i am > naidu (xathria) by birth. can anyone teach us the > way to do aradhanam ? are we empowered to do that? > out of nine avatars so far only two are from brahmin > community (vamana and parasurama) and they are not > worshipped? why? can any scholars in this group > elucidate me please > > adiyen ramanuja daasan > > parankucan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 28, 2003 Shree Paranguca Naidu We got into these situations with no brahmins left in agrahaarams even to do puja to temples only because they did not receive enough financial support to survive in the society. Temples are getting locked in the villages . One can handover to the Govt but those that have been handed over are in a pathetic situation too. Unless the income is more than the expence, the appointed officers would not care. My cousin in agrahaaram near Rajapet in cadapa district faced a similar situation where Shree Venkateswara temple built by his father and grand father needed proper pundits to perform. He contacted JET or H.H. Chinna Narayana Jeer and now they took over the operation of the temple. Whatever the lands my cousin owned were handed over for the maintenance of the temple. I suggest that you can contact JET organization and see if they can help. Remember it is a non-profit organization and they can not do much unless the local people come forward for financial backing. My best wishes. Hari OM! Sadananda --- paranguca naidu <parankuca_naidu wrote: > > respected sri vaishnavas > > i am a new comer to this group. > > i have a problem. in our village we have an ancient sri > venugopalaswamy temple. > > thre was an agraharam in our village. my elders used to say that > agraharam was full of vedic pundits. now there is not even single > brahmin family to perform the aradhana for the swami. it is kept > locked . once in a blue moon we used to go to the nearby town and > bring one brahmin archaka to do thirumancanam and little prasadam for > perumal > > the archaga comes with so much of hesitation. is there any other > alternative solution for this? i am naidu (xathria) by birth. can > anyone teach us the way to do aradhanam ? are we empowered to do that? > out of nine avatars so far only two are from brahmin community (vamana > and parasurama) and they are not worshipped? why? can any scholars in > this group elucidate me please > > adiyen ramanuja daasan > > parankucan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 28, 2003 I am pretty new myself and I find this group very informative. I am no scholar, I am a seeker of knowledge. And I use discussion in such forums as a way of gaining insight. Here is what I feel about your question. >so far only two are from brahmin community (vamana >and parasurama) and they are not worshipped? A man is born a Brahmin with the purpose of attaining knowledge and serving God. God does not take an avatar to gain knowledge on this earth. He invariably takes an avatar when he feels he needs to fight some adharma or adharmic people on this earth. Thus, he needs to take birth as a Kshatriya. But I fail to understand the relevance of this question (on why only two avatars are of Brahmin birth and are not worshipped) to the actual problem you are facing in your village. If you are trying to discredit brahmins by this, I think you are wasting your time. Also, please keep in mind that the scriptures and details on Gods Kshatriya avatars etc have all been documented by Brahmins. The Brahmins always gave the kshatrias the credit they deserved. Just food for thought. On some other threads, there has been a detailed discussion on "Who is a brahmin". you may want to take a look at that. Best Regards, -Vinayak --- paranguca naidu <parankuca_naidu wrote: > > respected sri vaishnavas > > i am a new comer to this group. > > i have a problem. in our village we have an ancient > sri venugopalaswamy temple. > > thre was an agraharam in our village. my elders used > to say that agraharam was full of vedic pundits. now > there is not even single brahmin family to perform > the aradhana for the swami. it is kept locked . once > in a blue moon we used to go to the nearby town and > bring one brahmin archaka to do thirumancanam and > little prasadam for perumal > > the archaga comes with so much of hesitation. is > there any other alternative solution for this? i am > naidu (xathria) by birth. can anyone teach us the > way to do aradhanam ? are we empowered to do that? > out of nine avatars so far only two are from brahmin > community (vamana and parasurama) and they are not > worshipped? why? can any scholars in this group > elucidate me please > > adiyen ramanuja daasan > > parankucan > > > > > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and > more > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ----------------------------- > - SrImate rAmAnujAya namaH - > To Post a message, send it to: > bhakti-list > Group Home: > bhakti-list > Archives: http://ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/ > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes./ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2003 hare krishna my respects to you sir thank our for your reply. i belong to a remote village called rudran patti in pacumpon district in south india. yes i was told by one srivaishnava brahmin even that lord ranganatha was worshipped by xathriyas ofixvaky dynasty and handed over to a raxasa who was a devotee of sri rama ( in north india there is pujas are not performed covered by agamic procedures) the temple in our village comes undervaikanasa agama. due to the shortage of vaikanasa pandits we experience this problem. one of the srivaishna vabrahmin gentleman came forward to teach me the procedure to do the aradhana. he asked me to wait for 42 days with strict pranayama since weusedto have non vegdiets. now i became a vegetarian . i think the lord will give me some solution for my mental agony on the temple. the second part of my mail on incarnation in brahmin community requires a response. with utmost regards harekrishna parankucan --- narasimhan kannan <narakannan wrote: > --- paranguca naidu <parankuca_naidu > Dear Sir > I was moved by your letter and the devotional > fervour > with which you have written.I am not an authority on > anything to say what I am writing but the Supreme > Lord > will stand by me as he stood for Gajendra and > Prahlada.He wants absolute devotion and nothing > else.Once the Aradhanam in the temple is stopped the > Lord moves out of his Srivigraha to srivaikunta,so > now > what you have to do is fresh kumbabishekam,regarding > you personally doing aradhanam I think there will be > no scripture against it because The supreme Lord is > equal for all devotees and he is not for a > particular > caste,you will have to go an Acharya and he should > teach you and that is correct way,these are always > learnt through a teacher.which village are you from > and may be I can suggest a person > Hare Krsna > narasimhadasan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2003 > > the archaga comes with so much of hesitation. is > > there any other alternative solution for this? i am > > naidu (xathria) by birth. can anyone teach us the > > way to do aradhanam ? are we empowered to do that? > > out of nine avatars so far only two are from brahmin > > community (vamana and parasurama) and they are not > > worshipped? why? can any scholars in this group > > elucidate me please Dear Sri Parangucan, Kshatriyas can perform Sandhyavandanam and recite and learn Vedas. This is sanctioned by the Dharma Sastras themselves. Sadly, due to ignorance, this practice has become nearly extinct these days. Kshatriyas have to also undergo the Upanayana cermony and wear poonul, which is signifies the start of learning. This is also valid for Vaishyas as well. To become an Archaka, you will need to abide by the Pancharatra Agama which is the protocol(set of rules and procedures) that govern temple worship. The Pancharatra Agama places NO RESTRICTION on a person. EVERYONE from EVERY CASTE is eligible to undergo initiation according to the Pancharatra Agama. For those who do not have a familial Dharma Sastra, the Pancharatra Agama substitutes that. All samskarams like birth rites, death rites and all will be governed by the Pancharatra Agamas. As Sri Narasimhan Kannan said, there is no specific injunction that prevents one from becoming an archaka. But since the practice has been nearly extinct for some time now, it will take a lot of effort to revive it. I would suggest you to contact any Sri Vaishnava acharya close to your place. Please write back to me if you need help regarding this. BTW, about Parashurama, he was a baddha jiivatma who was empowered by the Lord (i.e the Lord invested divine power into that Brahmana) to destroy the arrogance and pride of the king of that time. The purnAvatarams of the Lord are Narasimhar, Ramar and Kannan. Regards, Malolan Cadambi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2003 Dear Sri Malolan Cadambi, as you underlined, both earlier and late saMhitA of pANcarAtra witness the typical tantric attitude to make any class distinction disappear among devotees. > The Pancharatra Agama places NO RESTRICTION on a person. EVERYONE > from EVERY > CASTE is eligible to undergo initiation according to the > Pancharatra Agama. Yet, pAdma saMhitA seems to offer a quite different and atypical perspective, giving a certain importance to traditional caste system. Let me give you some examples. In jNAnapAda 1.63-64, brAhmaNa are mentioned as being superior to any other varna (brAhmaNaH sarvavarNeSu (...) praShasyate); in jNAnapAda 5.5, SrI BhagavAn tells BrahmA that His grace is for those devotees who respect the caste system He created (varNAnAm AShramANAM ca maryAdA yA mayA kRtA tAM ye samanuvartante prasAdas teSu me mahAn); in jNAnapAda 5.34, SrI BhagavAn clearly says that VAsudeva cannot be worshipped by an out-caste (hInavarNaiH asaMsevyaM); in yogapAda 3.1-3, only the three upper classes are eligible to be initiated to the secrets of yoga practices; and finally, in caryApAda 1 (the whole chapter is a discussion on caste), SrI BhagavAn teaches that members from every caste may worship God, but among them only some groups may perform certain rites, such as parArthapUjA. Do you know if any other pANcarAtra saMhitA holds the same attention towards class distinctions? Kind regards, Sara Compagnone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2003 Dear Sara, Sorry for not responding since a while. I am quite troubled by what the postal department did to my book! That was such a rare book. I have asked TTD to notify me if in case of a reprint. Regarding your question: Dr.Varadachari quoted in his book that the Samashrayanam can be undertaken by anyone of any caste. However, one has to understand that chaturvarnam existed and is necessary in the sense that it was a division of labour in a primarily agrarian society of those ages. Swami Desikan treats the Varna system in his Rahasya Traya Saaram. Perhaps these two posts would enable you to get a better prespective: http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jul98/0043.html and http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/bhakti/archives/jul98/0044.html Regards, Malolan Cadambi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
