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My understanding is the Sri Suktam is not limited to Lakshmi. Sri Suktam

chanting can be done for any form of the Mother. I don't believe Sri Suktam

as a vidhi for Devi puja to be uncommon. If my tradition we chant a

Samputita Sri Suktam fenced with verses from the Durga Saptasloki. I pass

this on as advice from a qualified guru to those who own Sri Chakras.

Yes, Sri Suktam should be learned and chanted properly, but how you can

forbid women, Devi's embodiment on earth, from chanting her praises? I will

never understand this thinking. This is a tradition who's root is to keep

knowlege away from women to keep power, something my sampradaya does not

to.

 

Colin

 

<SNIP>:Take for instance your suggestion, according to the

tradition only male dvija-s (twice born) who are initiated to

upanayana and who taught by a guru to chant correctly according to

svara-s can say shrii suuktam. This is not withstanding the fact the

shriisuktam is traditionally considered to be addressed to

mahalaaxmi**. However, there is specific form of shrii chakram for

mahaalaxmi, but the normal shrii chakram is representation of shiva-

shakti (see lalita trishatii -- phala shruti). On the contrary one

may be better chanting works like umAmaheshvara stotram or

ardhanaariishvara stotram ( both are works of shankara).

My 2c.

 

Ravi

 

 

 

** there is a shiva-vishishhTaadvaita interpretation of shrii suuktam

as being addressed to gauri.

 

> Colin

 

 

 

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Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:23:22 -0000

"miinalochanii" <miinalochanii

Re: paN^guni uttiram

 

, "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> wrote:

> namaH shivAbhyAm

>

> Tomorrow (Thursday March 28th 2002) is the auspicious paN^guNi

> uttiram. It occurs during the miina maasa (tamil paN^guni) when the

> naxatra is uttira phalguni. This day is also known as kalyaaNa

> vratam. You can find more details on how to observe it, etc. on the

> shaivam page.

 

 

The date I quoted is correct only for countries such as India. For

the US, it was on 27th. Probably, the specific guideline on how to

arrive at the date should be available in the purana which discusses

this. I looked for a general guideline (since I did not know the

specific). VaidyanAtha diixitiyam says this under the section called

panchadashi (for paurnami and amaavasya) nirNayam. If the event is

based on the naxatra instead of the tithi -- then things like snAna

and dAna is determined based on udaya vyApti, and vrata-s etc. are

observed based on astamana or nishi vyApti-s. I guess (probably)

that is the reason why even though on 28th (at New York) uttara

phalguni naxatra was there till 7:00+ am (I think after sunrise) --

New York temple panchangam has panguni uttiram on 27th. Any

comments/corrections?

 

TIA.

 

Ravi

 

 

 

 

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Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:27:08 -0000

"miinalochanii" <miinalochanii

Re: ThirumuRai Series - 79

 

The following reminded me of the verse "karasthe hemAdrau" of

shivAnandalahari.

> Notes:

> 1. Isn't it this Lord Who gave kubera all the

> covetous wealth ? Isn't it this Lord Who gave

> Indra airAvatham to ride and the nectar to the

> divines but took nothing but poision from the

> ocean ? If it was not for this Lord - the

> auspicious - how would have the divines and the

> daemons survived the poison ? Isn't He the One Who

> stands alone in spite of eating poison when even

> the divines who ate the nectar die ? Isn't that

> Eternal Lord the most affluent ? For the ones who

> need to establish their well being all the external

> adornation is required. Why should the Peerless

> Supreme that is the source of all our prosperities

> need external show off, while It Itself is the

> Ultimate Auspiciousness !

> 2. cf. shivanenum Ochai - appar

> 3. eeRu - bull; kaaDu - forst (here cemetry);

> peRRi - asset/prosperity

>

 

 

 

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Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:19:18 -0600

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..Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham..

 

 

..kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham .

 

 

kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena .

kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena kAmAdi mukti yashaskena..

 

 

.. kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena .

 

The sustainer of the entire creation, shriiman naarayaNa (pavaza kanivai

perumal from tiruparamkundram) offered his sister the divine bride miinaxi

to the lord of the universe. He washed the holy feet of somasundareshvara

and offered madhu-parkam.

 

.. karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena .

 

Compassion (KaaruNya rasam) gushed out of the lotus eyes of Lord

Sundareshvara and blessed the entire universe.

 

..kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena .

 

Facing west, miinaxi had her right hand fingers joined together like a coral

kuvalaya puShpa. Turning east, Parameshvara lowed his right palm and gently

held kaameshvari’s hand. The entire creation was blessed due to this

paaNigrahaNam.

 

..kAmAdi mukti yashaskena..

 

The clutches of the cupid, and other internal enemies vanishes from the

heart of those who constantly meditate on this divine form of ‘

kalyaaNa-sundareshvara’.

 

kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham .

 

Let the divine couple shrii miinakshi devi and sundareshvari bless us all.

 

 

...Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham..

 

Aravind

 

 

Your eyes could feast on these Tanjure pictures.

http://www.thanjavurpaintings.com/cmeenakshi.html

 

 

 

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Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:45:34 -0800 (PST)

Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh

ThirumuRai Series - 81

 

thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

thalam podhu (Common)

paN kauchikam

muunRaam thirumuRai

 

thiruppAsuram

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

aaTpaalavarkku aruLum aadhi maaNbum

keeTpaanpugil aLavillai kiLakkavENDaa

kooTpaalanavum vinaiyum kuRugaamai en^dhai

thaaTpaal vaNaN^gith thalain^inRu ivai keeTkath

thakkaar

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

Meaning:

Grace for those who are owned (devotees) and

the Grandeur of the Source is limitless, if

started to listen to ! So don't merely investigate

(to see the end of the same). The planetary effects

and the deeds (karma) will not near those who

salute our Lord's Feet and listen to these (Fame)

sincerely (with devotion).

 

Notes:

1. The Glory of God is boundless. It is beyond

the limits of even brahma and viShNu leave alone

the humans to completely explore. While analysis

is needed the mere research without essence will

lead nowhere in that great ocean. So instead of

trying to drain out the ocean with a small bowl

and measure its depth, should enjoy whatever handful

of that nectar of Lord shiva's Glory loosing

ourselves into It !

2. This is a very valuable piece sambandhar

perumAn has given us. Many people do lots of

researches on various philosophies and compare

some very minute (and often least significant)

details and just end up in a confused boat. If

atleast some effort has been made put some

devotion to the Supreme in action, it would have

brought in great returns !!

 

 

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Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:01:12 -0800 (PST)

Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh

ThirumuRai Series - 82

 

(thiruppAchuram is the padhikam sambandhar told

pANDiyan n^inRa chIr n^eDumARan as a guru. The

meaning of this padhikam is intense. chEkkizAr

has written quite some elaborations for this

whole padhikam, while no other padhikam has got

this kind of special commentary in periya purANam.

Given such great importance of this padhikam all

the hymns in this padhikam are being presented in

ThirumuRai Series (from 89 to 90). So there would

be many sent in these two days to cover complete

padhikam before April. The explanations here would be

very little compared to the deep meanings this

enlightening poem gives. So please contemplate on each

of these verses to get more out.

"pAchuram pADinAr para chamayaN^gaL pARA")

 

thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

thalam podhu (Common)

paN kauchikam

muunRaam thirumuRai

 

thiruppAsuram

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

eedhukkaLaalum eDuththa moziyaalum mikkuch

choodhikka veeNDaa chuDarviTTuLan eN^gaL choodhi

maadhukkam n^iiN^galuRuviir manampaRRi vaazmin

chaadhukkaL mikkiir iRaiyee van^dhu chaarminkaLee

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

Meaning:

With cause, reasoning and with the words used

for presenting don't get too much into

examination, because our Lord is explicitly

glowing resplendently ! You will be removed of

your great sorrows, hold on to Him and live !

Oh serene ones and all others come and hinge

only on the God !

 

Notes:

1. One cannot and mostly should not go just

by faith. If the one believed turns out to be

the truth it is safe, with least effort most

returns are got. But it happens to be not true

the result will be detrimental depending upon

how bad it is. So one has to check to ones own

satisfaction that the chosen thing is not the wrong

one. On the other hand when one keeps on

questioning without getting satisfied at some

point, fine the Truth will certainly keep

answering either immediately or with whatever

delays, but the seeker by then could have wasted

all the time in knowing what without looking at how

that truth could be utilized !

For example if one wants to find the presence

of a heat source there is a way to keep calculating

the difference in heat levels at various points

and finally arrive at the burning point. But when

one is able to see a huge flame dazzling, why go

for such laborious techniques ? (unless one really

wants to)

The divine language of saint thirunyAna sambandhar

has used the chosen word "mikkuch chOdhikka vENDA".

There are religions that call for "just faith" and

there is another class (including rationalism) that

just insists on digging on and on without translating

the truths observed into practice. kuravar sambandhar

clarly drives away our quandary, "Analyze to get the

first concepts right. Then You can feel our Lord shiva

and stay in that Luminance ! There will be no doubts

any more ! Hold on to That Supreme ! That is your way

to the Bliss !!"

2. iRaiyE could also be interpreted as atleast a bit.

In that case the meaning could be, "Oh serene ones

and all others at least hold on to the Lord a bit.

(You will be benefited accordingly)"

 

 

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Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:29:13 -0800 (PST)

Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh

ThirumuRai Series - 83

 

thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

thalam podhu (Common)

paN kauchikam

muunRaam thirumuRai

 

thiruppAchuram

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

aaDum enavum arun^kuuRRam udhaiththu veedham

paaDum enavum pugazalladhu paavam n^iiN^gak

keeDum piRappum aRukkum enakkeeTTiraagil

n^aaDum thiRaththaarkku aruLalladhu n^aaTTalaamee

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

Meaning:

If you hear that It Dances, that It kicks

the death and sings the words of wisdom,

that keeping the fame removing the sins

It destroys the devastation and birth,

will It bestow anything other than Grace

on those who seek ?!

 

Notes:

1. Who got dismayed worshipping our God shiva ?

It dances in Bliss putting us also into bliss.

It kicks even the death when the devotion is

flawless. Ultimately It is the only One who can

cut off our births ! It is more than the mother,

whether It gives sweet or sour medicine for those

who seek It will always benefit. Other than

shiva (auspicious) who else can be more

auspicious to us ?

 

 

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Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:30:06 -0800 (PST)

Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh

ThirumuRai Series - 84

 

thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

thalam podhu (Common)

paN kauchikam

muunRaam thirumuRai

 

thiruppAchuram

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

kaDicheern^dha poodhu malaraana kaikkoNDu n^alla

paDicheern^dha paalkoNDaN^gu aaTTiDath thaadhai paNDu

muDicheern^dha kaalai aRa veTTiDa mukkaN muurthi

aDicheern^dha vaNNam aRivaar cholak keeTTumanRee

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

Meaning:

Offering the fragrant flowers in hand, bathing

(the Lord) with the pure milk, when worshipping,

the father who tried to kick (the shivalingam),

cutting those legs off one who reached the

Holy Feet of the Three-eyed Lord, that story

don't we hear from the wise ?!

 

Notes:

1. One of the two very talked about nAyanmAr,

chaNDIsar's great devotion and the reward for

the same is depicted here. The peerless young

child chaNDIsar who steadfast in his devotion,

without even bothering it was his own father

who was doing the misdeed at the beloved God,

removed the hindrance and focussed on the

worship ! If so is the devotion how much could

be the reward from the Gracious Lord ? He got

an unthinkable place and rights at the abode of

God. He comes along with shiva kuTumba as

panychamUrthi representing all the devotees

with the deer, axe and bull vAhana like the God !

The devotion at the altar of Lord siva will be

suitably rewarded, is beyond doubt.

 

 

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Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:31:01 -0800 (PST)

Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh

ThirumuRai Series - 85

 

thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

thalam podhu (Common)

paN kauchikam

muunRaam thirumuRai

 

thiruppAsuram

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

veedha mudhalvan mudhalaaga viLaN^gi vaiyam

eedhap paDaamai ulagaththavar eeththal cheyyap

puudha mudhalvan mudhalee mudhalaagap polin^dha

chuudhan olimaalai enRee kalikkoovai chollee

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

Meaning:

The Source of the supreme wisdom being the

Source of this world, without much troubled

with the difficulties for the people to praise

(and elevate themselves), maintaining the

supremacy of the Supreme Lord of elements to

be the supreme thing the words of sUdhar

(purANas) beautifully narrate. (Lord shiva's

Glory)

 

Notes:

1. The purANas hail the Supremacy of Lord shiva.

They describe the splendid deeds of the Lord

and the great benefits the seekers got by

worshipping that Lord. It is quite interesting

to note that 10 of the currently available 18

purANas clearly talk of the supremacy of Lord

shiva.

 

 

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Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:31:47 -0800 (PST)

Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh

ThirumuRai Series - 86

 

thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

thalam podhu (Common)

paN kauchikam

muunRaam thirumuRai

 

thiruppAsuram

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

paaraazi vaTTam pagaiyaal n^alin^dhaaTTa ADip

peeraaziyaanadhiDar kaNDu aruL cheydhal peeNi

n^iiraazi viTTeeRi n^enychiDam koNDaarkkup

pooraazi iin^dha pugazum pugazuRRadhanRee

 

thiruchchiRRambalam

 

Meaning:

The ocean surrounded world suffering a lot

with enmity, wanting to shower Grace (bestow

peace) as the world was in the ocean of

suffering, providing the great disc arm to the

one who rose from the ocean and held the Lord

in his heart (mahAviShNu), isn't that fame

renowned ?!

 

Notes:

1. The receipt of sudarshana chakra from the

Lord by mahAviShNu is depicted here. Highly

reverend viShNu with lots of devotion offered

even his eye as a flower to the Lord shiva Feet.

The Lord blessed viShNu with the sudarshana

chakra, with which mahA viShNu protects this

world and brings in stability.

2. Azi - ocean, disc.

 

 

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Dear Sir,

 

1) There are better, easy and legitimate ways to please mahaalaxmii,

for instance chanting works like kanakadhAra stotram of our revered

aacharya. SHE will like HER children worship HER in their own words

in a natural way -- than to do things which are prohibited. Unlike

works in puraNa etc (where injunctions are sometimes ignored as artha

vaada), injunctions pertaining to shruti has to be adhered to

correctly.

 

2) What you have written below -- I am confident -- will not be

acceptable to traditional maTha-s like shr^ingeri or kAnchi.

 

3) shrii suuktam is a **vedic mantra**. There are definite rules on

who can chant it. Next time when you visit shringeri or kAnchi,

please ask the aacharya-s about it.

 

4) shrii suuktam inherently very beautiful (like lalita

sahasranamam), it should sound exceedingly beautiful no matter who

chants it.

 

 

5) karma phala is in the realm of iishvara's control. And it is

adhRShTa. You can not and will not be able to make a direct

correlation on what made someone rich and what makes someone poor. At

best you can only guess. Somebody may be become rich or poor due to

prArabdha and may not have nothing to do with what happpens in the

current birth. That is why vaLLuvar beautifully says avviya

nenjaththaan aakkamum chevviyaan keDum ninaikkappaDum.

 

 

6) I have no personal opinion on this matter and I merely mentioned

what I have learnt, espcially from "Hindu Dharma" kamakoti.org. maha

periyavaa makes these matter more than clear. I sincerely hope that

I did not offend you.

 

 

This is my last post on this topic. Please do correct me if you think

I am wrong.

 

With respects,

Ravi

 

 

 

 

 

, "kaushik" <kaushik@n...> wrote:

> I am verymuch agreeing with u. i quote an example

> my sisters daughter learnt the suktham through a

> guru and when u hear her chanting in the early morning

> 4.00 hrs, u r simply mesmerised. i could visualise mother

> further she was so poor financially when she started this.

> but to day she is showered with wealth like anything

> i have read the translation of this in Bhavan's journal

> many years back. what is said as palasruthi is absolutely

> true to the word.her chanting is so excellent,even great

> pandits cannot achieve it. Women r more powerful

> in the worship of Devi as u have correctly said it as

> Devis embodiment. they r very near to Devi.

>

> kaushik

>

> -

> "Colin" <colin@s...>

>

> Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:28 PM

> Chanting Sri Suktam

>

>

> > My understanding is the Sri Suktam is not limited to Lakshmi. Sri

Suktam

> > chanting can be done for any form of the Mother. I don't believe

Sri

> Suktam

> > as a vidhi for Devi puja to be uncommon. If my tradition we chant

a

> > Samputita Sri Suktam fenced with verses from the Durga

Saptasloki. I pass

> > this on as advice from a qualified guru to those who own Sri

Chakras.

> > Yes, Sri Suktam should be learned and chanted properly, but how

you can

> > forbid women, Devi's embodiment on earth, from chanting her

praises? I

> will

> > never understand this thinking. This is a tradition who's root is

to keep

> > knowlege away from women to keep power, something my sampradaya

does not

> > to.

> >

> > Colin

> >

> > <SNIP>:Take for instance your suggestion, according to the

> > tradition only male dvija-s (twice born) who are initiated to

> > upanayana and who taught by a guru to chant correctly according to

> > svara-s can say shrii suuktam. This is not withstanding the fact

the

> > shriisuktam is traditionally considered to be addressed to

> > mahalaaxmi**. However, there is specific form of shrii chakram for

> > mahaalaxmi, but the normal shrii chakram is representation of

shiva-

> > shakti (see lalita trishatii -- phala shruti). On the contrary one

> > may be better chanting works like umAmaheshvara stotram or

> > ardhanaariishvara stotram ( both are works of shankara).

> > My 2c.

> >

> > Ravi

> >

> >

> >

> > ** there is a shiva-vishishhTaadvaita interpretation of shrii

suuktam

> > as being addressed to gauri.

> >

> >

> > > Colin

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:23:22 -0000

> > "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii>

> > Re: paN^guni uttiram

> >

> > , "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> wrote:

> > > namaH shivAbhyAm

> > >

> > > Tomorrow (Thursday March 28th 2002) is the auspicious paN^guNi

> > > uttiram. It occurs during the miina maasa (tamil paN^guni) when

the

> > > naxatra is uttira phalguni. This day is also known as kalyaaNa

> > > vratam. You can find more details on how to observe it, etc. on

the

> > > shaivam page.

> >

> >

> > The date I quoted is correct only for countries such as India. For

> > the US, it was on 27th. Probably, the specific guideline on how

to

> > arrive at the date should be available in the purana which

discusses

> > this. I looked for a general guideline (since I did not know the

> > specific). VaidyanAtha diixitiyam says this under the section

called

> > panchadashi (for paurnami and amaavasya) nirNayam. If the event is

> > based on the naxatra instead of the tithi -- then things like

snAna

> > and dAna is determined based on udaya vyApti, and vrata-s etc. are

> > observed based on astamana or nishi vyApti-s. I guess (probably)

> > that is the reason why even though on 28th (at New York) uttara

> > phalguni naxatra was there till 7:00+ am (I think after sunrise) -

-

> > New York temple panchangam has panguni uttiram on 27th. Any

> > comments/corrections?

> >

> > TIA.

> >

> > Ravi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:27:08 -0000

> > "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii>

> > Re: ThirumuRai Series - 79

> >

> > The following reminded me of the verse "karasthe hemAdrau" of

> > shivAnandalahari.

> >

> > > Notes:

> > > 1. Isn't it this Lord Who gave kubera all the

> > > covetous wealth ? Isn't it this Lord Who gave

> > > Indra airAvatham to ride and the nectar to the

> > > divines but took nothing but poision from the

> > > ocean ? If it was not for this Lord - the

> > > auspicious - how would have the divines and the

> > > daemons survived the poison ? Isn't He the One Who

> > > stands alone in spite of eating poison when even

> > > the divines who ate the nectar die ? Isn't that

> > > Eternal Lord the most affluent ? For the ones who

> > > need to establish their well being all the external

> > > adornation is required. Why should the Peerless

> > > Supreme that is the source of all our prosperities

> > > need external show off, while It Itself is the

> > > Ultimate Auspiciousness !

> > > 2. cf. shivanenum Ochai - appar

> > > 3. eeRu - bull; kaaDu - forst (here cemetry);

> > > peRRi - asset/prosperity

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> > Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:19:18 -0600

> > "Aravind Krishna" <seeksha@h...>

> > ..Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham..

> >

> >

> > .kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham .

> >

> >

> > kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena .

> > kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena kAmAdi mukti yashaskena..

> >

> >

> > . kamaleshakR^ita kanyakAdAnena .

> >

> > The sustainer of the entire creation, shriiman naarayaNa (pavaza

kanivai

> > perumal from tiruparamkundram) offered his sister the divine

bride miinaxi

> > to the lord of the universe. He washed the holy feet of

somasundareshvara

> > and offered madhu-parkam.

> >

> > . karuNAmR^ita rasapravAhena .

> >

> > Compassion (KaaruNya rasam) gushed out of the lotus eyes of Lord

> > Sundareshvara and blessed the entire universe.

> >

> > .kAmeshvarI pANigrahaNena .

> >

> > Facing west, miinaxi had her right hand fingers joined together

like a

> coral

> > kuvalaya puShpa. Turning east, Parameshvara lowed his right palm

and

> gently

> > held kaameshvari's hand. The entire creation was blessed due to

this

> > paaNigrahaNam.

> >

> > .kAmAdi mukti yashaskena..

> >

> > The clutches of the cupid, and other internal enemies vanishes

from the

> > heart of those who constantly meditate on this divine form of '

> > kalyaaNa-sundareshvara'.

> >

> > kAmeshvareNa samrakshitoham .

> >

> > Let the divine couple shrii miinakshi devi and sundareshvari

bless us all.

> >

> >

> > ..Alokaye miinaxi kalyaaNa kaamesham..

> >

> > Aravind

> >

> >

> > Your eyes could feast on these Tanjure pictures.

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> >

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> > Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:45:34 -0800 (PST)

> > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh>

> > ThirumuRai Series - 81

> >

> > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

> > thalam podhu (Common)

> > paN kauchikam

> > muunRaam thirumuRai

> >

> > thiruppAsuram

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > aaTpaalavarkku aruLum aadhi maaNbum

> > keeTpaanpugil aLavillai kiLakkavENDaa

> > kooTpaalanavum vinaiyum kuRugaamai en^dhai

> > thaaTpaal vaNaN^gith thalain^inRu ivai keeTkath

> > thakkaar

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > Meaning:

> > Grace for those who are owned (devotees) and

> > the Grandeur of the Source is limitless, if

> > started to listen to ! So don't merely investigate

> > (to see the end of the same). The planetary effects

> > and the deeds (karma) will not near those who

> > salute our Lord's Feet and listen to these (Fame)

> > sincerely (with devotion).

> >

> > Notes:

> > 1. The Glory of God is boundless. It is beyond

> > the limits of even brahma and viShNu leave alone

> > the humans to completely explore. While analysis

> > is needed the mere research without essence will

> > lead nowhere in that great ocean. So instead of

> > trying to drain out the ocean with a small bowl

> > and measure its depth, should enjoy whatever handful

> > of that nectar of Lord shiva's Glory loosing

> > ourselves into It !

> > 2. This is a very valuable piece sambandhar

> > perumAn has given us. Many people do lots of

> > researches on various philosophies and compare

> > some very minute (and often least significant)

> > details and just end up in a confused boat. If

> > atleast some effort has been made put some

> > devotion to the Supreme in action, it would have

> > brought in great returns !!

> >

> >

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> > Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:01:12 -0800 (PST)

> > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh>

> > ThirumuRai Series - 82

> >

> > (thiruppAchuram is the padhikam sambandhar told

> > pANDiyan n^inRa chIr n^eDumARan as a guru. The

> > meaning of this padhikam is intense. chEkkizAr

> > has written quite some elaborations for this

> > whole padhikam, while no other padhikam has got

> > this kind of special commentary in periya purANam.

> > Given such great importance of this padhikam all

> > the hymns in this padhikam are being presented in

> > ThirumuRai Series (from 89 to 90). So there would

> > be many sent in these two days to cover complete

> > padhikam before April. The explanations here would be

> > very little compared to the deep meanings this

> > enlightening poem gives. So please contemplate on each

> > of these verses to get more out.

> > "pAchuram pADinAr para chamayaN^gaL pARA")

> >

> > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

> > thalam podhu (Common)

> > paN kauchikam

> > muunRaam thirumuRai

> >

> > thiruppAsuram

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > eedhukkaLaalum eDuththa moziyaalum mikkuch

> > choodhikka veeNDaa chuDarviTTuLan eN^gaL choodhi

> > maadhukkam n^iiN^galuRuviir manampaRRi vaazmin

> > chaadhukkaL mikkiir iRaiyee van^dhu chaarminkaLee

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > Meaning:

> > With cause, reasoning and with the words used

> > for presenting don't get too much into

> > examination, because our Lord is explicitly

> > glowing resplendently ! You will be removed of

> > your great sorrows, hold on to Him and live !

> > Oh serene ones and all others come and hinge

> > only on the God !

> >

> > Notes:

> > 1. One cannot and mostly should not go just

> > by faith. If the one believed turns out to be

> > the truth it is safe, with least effort most

> > returns are got. But it happens to be not true

> > the result will be detrimental depending upon

> > how bad it is. So one has to check to ones own

> > satisfaction that the chosen thing is not the wrong

> > one. On the other hand when one keeps on

> > questioning without getting satisfied at some

> > point, fine the Truth will certainly keep

> > answering either immediately or with whatever

> > delays, but the seeker by then could have wasted

> > all the time in knowing what without looking at how

> > that truth could be utilized !

> > For example if one wants to find the presence

> > of a heat source there is a way to keep calculating

> > the difference in heat levels at various points

> > and finally arrive at the burning point. But when

> > one is able to see a huge flame dazzling, why go

> > for such laborious techniques ? (unless one really

> > wants to)

> > The divine language of saint thirunyAna sambandhar

> > has used the chosen word "mikkuch chOdhikka vENDA".

> > There are religions that call for "just faith" and

> > there is another class (including rationalism) that

> > just insists on digging on and on without translating

> > the truths observed into practice. kuravar sambandhar

> > clarly drives away our quandary, "Analyze to get the

> > first concepts right. Then You can feel our Lord shiva

> > and stay in that Luminance ! There will be no doubts

> > any more ! Hold on to That Supreme ! That is your way

> > to the Bliss !!"

> > 2. iRaiyE could also be interpreted as atleast a bit.

> > In that case the meaning could be, "Oh serene ones

> > and all others at least hold on to the Lord a bit.

> > (You will be benefited accordingly)"

> >

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> > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh>

> > ThirumuRai Series - 83

> >

> > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

> > thalam podhu (Common)

> > paN kauchikam

> > muunRaam thirumuRai

> >

> > thiruppAchuram

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > aaDum enavum arun^kuuRRam udhaiththu veedham

> > paaDum enavum pugazalladhu paavam n^iiN^gak

> > keeDum piRappum aRukkum enakkeeTTiraagil

> > n^aaDum thiRaththaarkku aruLalladhu n^aaTTalaamee

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > Meaning:

> > If you hear that It Dances, that It kicks

> > the death and sings the words of wisdom,

> > that keeping the fame removing the sins

> > It destroys the devastation and birth,

> > will It bestow anything other than Grace

> > on those who seek ?!

> >

> > Notes:

> > 1. Who got dismayed worshipping our God shiva ?

> > It dances in Bliss putting us also into bliss.

> > It kicks even the death when the devotion is

> > flawless. Ultimately It is the only One who can

> > cut off our births ! It is more than the mother,

> > whether It gives sweet or sour medicine for those

> > who seek It will always benefit. Other than

> > shiva (auspicious) who else can be more

> > auspicious to us ?

> >

> >

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> > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh>

> > ThirumuRai Series - 84

> >

> > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

> > thalam podhu (Common)

> > paN kauchikam

> > muunRaam thirumuRai

> >

> > thiruppAchuram

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > kaDicheern^dha poodhu malaraana kaikkoNDu n^alla

> > paDicheern^dha paalkoNDaN^gu aaTTiDath thaadhai paNDu

> > muDicheern^dha kaalai aRa veTTiDa mukkaN muurthi

> > aDicheern^dha vaNNam aRivaar cholak keeTTumanRee

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > Meaning:

> > Offering the fragrant flowers in hand, bathing

> > (the Lord) with the pure milk, when worshipping,

> > the father who tried to kick (the shivalingam),

> > cutting those legs off one who reached the

> > Holy Feet of the Three-eyed Lord, that story

> > don't we hear from the wise ?!

> >

> > Notes:

> > 1. One of the two very talked about nAyanmAr,

> > chaNDIsar's great devotion and the reward for

> > the same is depicted here. The peerless young

> > child chaNDIsar who steadfast in his devotion,

> > without even bothering it was his own father

> > who was doing the misdeed at the beloved God,

> > removed the hindrance and focussed on the

> > worship ! If so is the devotion how much could

> > be the reward from the Gracious Lord ? He got

> > an unthinkable place and rights at the abode of

> > God. He comes along with shiva kuTumba as

> > panychamUrthi representing all the devotees

> > with the deer, axe and bull vAhana like the God !

> > The devotion at the altar of Lord siva will be

> > suitably rewarded, is beyond doubt.

> >

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> > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh>

> > ThirumuRai Series - 85

> >

> > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

> > thalam podhu (Common)

> > paN kauchikam

> > muunRaam thirumuRai

> >

> > thiruppAsuram

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > veedha mudhalvan mudhalaaga viLaN^gi vaiyam

> > eedhap paDaamai ulagaththavar eeththal cheyyap

> > puudha mudhalvan mudhalee mudhalaagap polin^dha

> > chuudhan olimaalai enRee kalikkoovai chollee

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > Meaning:

> > The Source of the supreme wisdom being the

> > Source of this world, without much troubled

> > with the difficulties for the people to praise

> > (and elevate themselves), maintaining the

> > supremacy of the Supreme Lord of elements to

> > be the supreme thing the words of sUdhar

> > (purANas) beautifully narrate. (Lord shiva's

> > Glory)

> >

> > Notes:

> > 1. The purANas hail the Supremacy of Lord shiva.

> > They describe the splendid deeds of the Lord

> > and the great benefits the seekers got by

> > worshipping that Lord. It is quite interesting

> > to note that 10 of the currently available 18

> > purANas clearly talk of the supremacy of Lord

> > shiva.

> >

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> > Subramanian Ganesh <sgesh>

> > ThirumuRai Series - 86

> >

> > thirunyAna sambandhar thirukkaDaikkAppu

> > thalam podhu (Common)

> > paN kauchikam

> > muunRaam thirumuRai

> >

> > thiruppAsuram

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > paaraazi vaTTam pagaiyaal n^alin^dhaaTTa ADip

> > peeraaziyaanadhiDar kaNDu aruL cheydhal peeNi

> > n^iiraazi viTTeeRi n^enychiDam koNDaarkkup

> > pooraazi iin^dha pugazum pugazuRRadhanRee

> >

> > thiruchchiRRambalam

> >

> > Meaning:

> > The ocean surrounded world suffering a lot

> > with enmity, wanting to shower Grace (bestow

> > peace) as the world was in the ocean of

> > suffering, providing the great disc arm to the

> > one who rose from the ocean and held the Lord

> > in his heart (mahAviShNu), isn't that fame

> > renowned ?!

> >

> > Notes:

> > 1. The receipt of sudarshana chakra from the

> > Lord by mahAviShNu is depicted here. Highly

> > reverend viShNu with lots of devotion offered

> > even his eye as a flower to the Lord shiva Feet.

> > The Lord blessed viShNu with the sudarshana

> > chakra, with which mahA viShNu protects this

> > world and brings in stability.

> > 2. Azi - ocean, disc.

> >

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Namaste,

Ravi made it very clear(especially on Karma Phala). All smritis are

very clear on who can chant the vedic mantras

and who is prohibited from doing so.

 

Regarding Guru vakya- I heard from my teacher that the Taittariya

Aranyaka says that if the Guru asks the student to perform something

which is in contradiction with Shruti or Smriti the student should

refrain from doing so. The Apastamba Dharma Sutras and many other

Dharma Sutras as well, express the

same opinion.

Furthermore, the Lalita Sahasranama says *varNAshramavidhAyini*

which says that all these rules and regulations regarding varNa and

Ashrama and the restrictions coming along with them are laid by

Lalita Parameshvari herself.

 

Varnasrama-Vidhayini [286th]: Law-giver of the form of caste and

orders of life. As Vedamata She has laid down the code of conduct of

social life to the four Varnas and four Asramas for the ultimate

spiritual well-being of the people.)

 

As an aside :Similar restrictions apply to Lalita Sahasranama too-

namely, initiation to Srividya or Balatripura Sundari mantropadesha

(minimum requirement according to Dakshinamurti samhita-Some

Discount:-)).

 

Please correct any misunderstandings.

 

Sarvanullanghya Sasana

 

— Whose command none i.e., not even Trimurtis can transgress.

 

(meanings from:http://www.al-

qiyamah.org/kitab_al_munir/sri_lalita_sahasranama_901-1000.htm)

 

shrI LalitAyai namaH

 

regards

 

 

, "miinalochanii" <miinalochanii> wrote:

> Dear Sir,

>

> 1) There are better, easy and legitimate ways to please

mahaalaxmii,

> for instance chanting works like kanakadhAra stotram of our revered

> aacharya. SHE will like HER children worship HER in their own words

> in a natural way -- than to do things which are prohibited. Unlike

> works in puraNa etc (where injunctions are sometimes ignored as

artha

> vaada), injunctions pertaining to shruti has to be adhered to

> correctly.

>

> 2) What you have written below -- I am confident -- will not be

> acceptable to traditional maTha-s like shr^ingeri or kAnchi.

>

> 3) shrii suuktam is a **vedic mantra**. There are definite rules on

> who can chant it. Next time when you visit shringeri or kAnchi,

> please ask the aacharya-s about it.

>

> 4) shrii suuktam inherently very beautiful (like lalita

> sahasranamam), it should sound exceedingly beautiful no matter who

> chants it.

>

>

> 5) karma phala is in the realm of iishvara's control. And it is

> adhRShTa. You can not and will not be able to make a direct

> correlation on what made someone rich and what makes someone poor.

At

> best you can only guess. Somebody may be become rich or poor due to

> prArabdha and may not have nothing to do with what happpens in the

> current birth. That is why vaLLuvar beautifully says avviya

> nenjaththaan aakkamum chevviyaan keDum ninaikkappaDum.

>

>

> 6) I have no personal opinion on this matter and I merely mentioned

> what I have learnt, espcially from "Hindu Dharma" kamakoti.org.

maha

> periyavaa makes these matter more than clear. I sincerely hope

that

> I did not offend you.

>

>

> This is my last post on this topic. Please do correct me if you

think

> I am wrong.

>

> With respects,

> Ravi

>

>

>

>

>

> , "kaushik" <kaushik@n...> wrote:

> > I am verymuch agreeing with u. i quote an example

> > my sisters daughter learnt the suktham through a

> > guru and when u hear her chanting in the early morning

> > 4.00 hrs, u r simply mesmerised. i could visualise mother

> > further she was so poor financially when she started this.

> > but to day she is showered with wealth like anything

> > i have read the translation of this in Bhavan's journal

> > many years back. what is said as palasruthi is absolutely

> > true to the word.her chanting is so excellent,even great

> > pandits cannot achieve it. Women r more powerful

> > in the worship of Devi as u have correctly said it as

> > Devis embodiment. they r very near to Devi.

> >

> > kaushik

> >

> > -

> > "Colin" <colin@s...>

> >

> > Sunday, March 31, 2002 12:28 PM

> > Chanting Sri Suktam

> >

> >

> > > My understanding is the Sri Suktam is not limited to Lakshmi.

Sri

> Suktam

> > > chanting can be done for any form of the Mother. I don't

believe

> Sri

> > Suktam

> > > as a vidhi for Devi puja to be uncommon. If my tradition we

chant

> a

> > > Samputita Sri Suktam fenced with verses from the Durga

> Saptasloki. I pass

> > > this on as advice from a qualified guru to those who own Sri

> Chakras.

> > > Yes, Sri Suktam should be learned and chanted properly, but

how

> you can

> > > forbid women, Devi's embodiment on earth, from chanting her

> praises? I

> > will

> > > never understand this thinking. This is a tradition who's root

is

> to keep

> > > knowlege away from women to keep power, something my sampradaya

> does not

> > > to.

> > >

> > > Colin

> > >

> > > <SNIP>:Take for instance your suggestion, according to the

> > > tradition only male dvija-s (twice born) who are initiated to

> > > upanayana and who taught by a guru to chant correctly according

to

> > > svara-s can say shrii suuktam. This is not withstanding the

fact

> the

> > > shriisuktam is traditionally considered to be addressed to

> > > mahalaaxmi**. However, there is specific form of shrii chakram

for

> > > mahaalaxmi, but the normal shrii chakram is representation of

> shiva-

> > > shakti (see lalita trishatii -- phala shruti). On the contrary

one

> > > may be better chanting works like umAmaheshvara stotram or

> > > ardhanaariishvara stotram ( both are works of shankara).

> > > My 2c.

> > >

> > > Ravi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ** there is a shiva-vishishhTaadvaita interpretation of shrii

> suuktam

> > > as being addressed to gauri.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Colin

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My mother was a student at National Girls High School, Triplicane,

Chennai during the late 1950s and early 1960s. She has been taught to

recite the Sri Suktam in the sloka class which was a compulsory

sessin for all students in the evening on some days. When I was

surprised how the veda mantras can be recited by people who have not

had a bramhopadesam, she says that Sri Suktam is an exception and can

be recited by women. I have not tried to verify this with any guru.

She does not to try to recite any veda mantra other than SriSuktam

nor she recites Sri Suktam regularly although she recites

Soundaryalahari, Lalita Sahasranamam, Abhirami Antadi, Matruka

Pushpamala,Arya Satakam, Muka Panchasati, etc. regularly.

 

The writings on Thirumurai, Thevaram and Shankara works in this group

by members like Subramaniam Ganesh,Sridhar and others show that there

are more such equally powerful works in Sanskrit,Tamil and other

Indian languages for us to learn to recite and understand their

meanings and increase our devotion to the Lord and the Divine mother.

 

My personal interpretation for why many women these days are trying

to learn vedas is because the men in their household are not taking

up the vedic study nor they bother about the Nithya anushtanam -

atleast a trikala sandyavandanam which they are supposed to do. There

are statements in the Vedas which say that any prayer done without

doing the assigned nithya karmanushtanas is fruitless. This is not to

hurt anyone in the group but only to increase the number of people to

adhere to that practice so that there can be veda ghosham all over

and the pradosha poojas at the temple have a full attendance of vedic

pandits.

 

Seetharaman

 

, "M GOPINATH" <maa.gopinath@l...> wrote:

> Have there been any cases of the Mother punishing the sadhaka becoz

he/she

> did not follow the rules?

> Tradition is fine, but I presume it should be a tool to maintain and

> increase the bhakthi ,shraddha and love to the Mother than increase

fear if

> not complied with. Many a would-have-been-sincere person has been

pushed

> away from rituals just becoz of insistance on so many rules in the

name of

> tradition, without explain the benefit of the sadhana(other than the

> satisfaction that one is following a tradition) .

>

> She is the Mother. I believe strongly that Love to her is needed

first to

> pray to her, than fear of reprimand becoz of bending tradition.

What you say

> is like what happens in the Royal families- the son (Prince)asking

the

> mother permission to see the mother(Queen).

>

> LS says "Dhandanatha ". Doesn this mean punishing for loving her

but not

> necessarily following tradition. I have seen people constipated by

tradition

> with neither love for fellow beings nor understanding of why the

tradition

> says,leave alone seeing her in all creations. With neither of the

above,

> "following tradition" can be an excuse to ride the high pedastal

and please

> ones own ego.

>

> May Bala be with us to bless us. Probably show us to love her more.

Someday

> , all of us have to drop rituals as we get close to enjoying the

Universe as

> Her manifestation .

>

> Again, these are my personal views. With respect to all and their

views

>

> Love

> gopi

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