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[Guest guest]

i must ask again that any comments you direct

toward me be in the context of the topic of this club.

you have already established your personal

disapproval of your fantasy of me. we can move on now. may

you one day enjoy a yoga practice that brings you

peace.

[Guest guest]

Omboy<br><br>I was discussing your rajas and

tamas on this club and your pseudo sattva on your own

club. Sounds quite germaine to me.<br><br>But I'm glad

to see that you are making an effort toward sattva

here as well. Keep up the good work.<br><br>Om and

Prem

[Guest guest]

to reiterate yet again: if you must address me

directly here please limit your comments to the topic of

this club.<br><br>you have established your support of

gay bashers and shown your own proclivity for gay

baiting. nobody really cares, and nobody really is

interested in how you might misrepresent and discredit. but

it does create something of a nuisance here that you

keep it up.<br><br>a yoga practice would alleviate the

need for this waste of a human form -- so difficult to

come by. you really ought to give yoga a try. don't

believe those who tell you the devil will steal your soul

while you meditate. you can still be a good devout

christian while practicing yoga.

[Guest guest]

Omboy<br><br>Hmm. Let's see now. Rajas, tamas and

sattva. Aren't they called gunas? Oh yes, now I remember,

the gunas, along with past karmas, and the senses

produce the kleshas, the obstacles to Self-Realization.

<br><br>The five kleshas, if I'm not mistaken, are avidya or

ignorance (but you would know all about that one), then

asmita or ego (another obstacle you are very familiar

with), followed by raga-dvesha or attraction-repulsion

(the two guiding forces of your life) and the last

one, is I believe, abhinivesa or fear. Now, this last

one is interesting because it seems to ooze out of

every thought, emotion and breath that you

take.<br><br>This is an ashtanga yoga club and according to T.K.V.

Desikachar, "...the recognition and conquest of avidya and

its effects [i.e. the other four kleshas] is the only

ladder by which we can climb upward." Because the

kleshas arise, in part, from the gunas, the gunas, then

are an important field of inquiry in ashtanga yoga.

And this message board is a proper place to discuss

them.<br><br>All I am doing is inquirying into the very strange

phenomenom of how your gunas seem to operate -- one way

(pseudo-sattva) on your own site (with time outs for commercial

breaks) and a totally different way (tamas-rajas) on this

site. Curious.<br><br>I also find your colourful

displays of avidya and asmita to be on the same magnitude

as the Aurora Borealis, Northern Lights -- in a

word, awesome.<br><br>Of course, if you think that

Desikachar is wrong about the kleshas and gunas, then you

might have a point. But that is another

story.<br><br>So, I sign off with a piece of advise for you from

Ralph Waldo Emerson:<br><br>"Make the most of your

Self, <br>for that is all there is to

you."<br><br><br>Om and Prem

[Guest guest]

omboy--<br><br>this is getting ridiculous! no one

is bashing you and yet you still, everyday, write a

message that says to address you only in the context of

the club! NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING TO PROVOKE THAT

MESSAGE EVERY DAY. stop already! geez!<br><br>lauren

[Guest guest]

we all tired of the gay baiting and harrassment

long ago. continue as you wish, couched in whatever

verbiage you think will serve your political agenda,

whoever you are.<br><br>may your devout christianity one

day bring you peace, and the ability to tolerate the

different spiritual paths of others.

[Guest guest]

so, anything about yoga you'd like to discuss with me?

[Guest guest]

Talking about spirituality without knowing what that means ?!

[Guest guest]

Why should we discuss something about yoga with someone who doesn't know

anything about it ?

[Guest guest]

Omboy<br><br>Reread the posts, I have stated that

I am not a Christian. Do you have anything in your

mind other than being anti-Christian or feeling

persecuted and harrassed or trying to make a buck out of

your naked yoga project? Anything at all?<br><br>I'm

still interested in how you can control your gunas so

well -- dumping all your tamas and rajas here and

saving your sattva for making a buck. Please tell us the

secret. We long for such control over the gunas. A major

step toward Self-Realization.Have you written a book

about it?<br><br>By the way, I notice that most of your

stream-of-consciousness (if one could truly call that 'consciousness')

posts are done in the early hours of the morning

--midnight to 3 or 4 am. Is that because you haven't come

down from the uppers yet? Are your posts just so many

nerve twitches?<br><br> Many of us are concerned about

your health --physical and mental --and I was

wondering if drug use had anything to do with your

confusion and paranoia. There are some excellent places in

Chelsea that could provide counselling for you. I would

be pleased to give you a referral or two if you

like.<br><br>Om and Prem

[Guest guest]

please be good enough to limit any comments

addressed to me here to the topic of this club. again, you

have already established your support of those who

seek to bait and harrass gay people, and to disrupt

with misinformation a community whose members wish to

discuss yoga. we all get the idea. move on please.

[Guest guest]

if that is your concern it would be better not to

direct your comments, off-topic and otherwise, toward

those whose opinions you do not value. baiting,

harrassing and misrepresenting people because their race,

religion or sexual orientation causes personal anxiety is

not the purpose of this message board.<br><br>of

course, we have no idea who you are beyond a screen name

born on april 10 in the midst of the attacks on gay

people, and that you seem to have appeared specifically

to add to that effort. may your chosen faith one day

bring you peace. you might try yoga -- the breathing

alone will do wonders.

[Guest guest]

Omboy<br><br>You have been offered many

suggestions by many people, all offered in the spirit of

helping you. The suggestions have included doing more

meditation, actually reading the posts that you respond to,

learning more about yoga/vedanta, learning more about the

purpose of this club, seeking professional help, shutting

up, controlling your gunas in a more balanced way,

responding to posts in a more honest and less manipulative

way, not using posts to further your personal agenda,

overcoming fear, doing less drugs and (my personal

favourite) changing the metal foil in your hat. You chosen

none of these.<br><br>Perhaps the best advice, when

put in a more palatable way, is simply to practice

mouna and so learn to curb your tongue, your thoughts

and your passions. Mouna is its own

reward.<br><br>You seem to be running out of things to say anyway as

your comments are, one by one, exposed for their

error. You are reduced to repeating yourself endlessly

in a childish attempt to have the last word. The

next step would appear to be to simply stop talking

and therefore stop repeating yourself. You have

already made a fool out of yourself. But through mouna

you can redeem yourself.<br><br>That is the last

advice I am prepared to give you at the moment, so if

you are determined to continue to make a fool of

yourself just continue to post. If you want to redeem

yourself, practice mouna for a while and then post on

another thread. We'll all be watching your progress or

lack thereof.<br><br>Om and Prem

[Guest guest]

patanjali's ashtanga proves its worth more and

more each day. what beautiful karma we share to be

born when and where this knowledge is available to us.

let us use this forum to celebrate and converse about

that gift to the world. <br><br>re your last off-topic

message: to parrot the advice others have given you may

give you momentary satifaction. a yoga practice

following the ashtanga would help you to give up seeing any

value in harrassing and discrediting others, and

generally misinforming the public.<br> <br>but you will

find that out. whether behind your shroud of anonymity

you are a christian fundamentalist fanatic or not

doesn't matter -- your effort to pass yourself off as a

yoga authority has brought you at least a nodding

acquaintance with the vedas, the gita, the sutras, and a

perfunctory knowledge of different styles. (don't skim over

your "cliff's notes" too quickly though, or you'll

again have to try to convince us that the hundreds of

postures available to a sivananda practictioner are really

only twelve.)<br><br>even if your intent is to

confuse, your attention on what is good will lead you to

do good. it is inevitable. there is a path of yoga

that starts with hating god -- this negative focus on

the divine is a focus nonetheless. reality is what it

is -- all that is. try as you might, you cannot

change that, but you will learn that too one day in some

lifetime. may your chosen path bring you peace.

[Guest guest]

Ombore,<br>In the context of this club, get over

yourself.<br>In the context of this club, and in respect for the

barrage of comments by other members of this club, please

refrain from responding.<br>In the context of this club,

I thank you in advance.<br><br>Everyone else,<br>My

apologies for this shamefully non-yogic banter. What can I

say, i'm still a warrior...and I'm SOOOO tired of this

battle...

[Guest guest]

may you one day find a yoga practice that brings you peace, and the ability to

discriminate dispassionately between reality and illusion.