UK Protest: X-mas Stamp Depicts Hindus Worshopping Baby Jesus

[Guest guest]

Let us think in a positive way.

let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to Krishna or

Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for tat and lets spread

unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we try to criticise or condem the

act it is going to be more and more of such incidents, or if we just ignore,

then they are going to increase such publishings with a clear motive to spread

their religion. Anyways it is a close call.

Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

 

Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

 

SR.Rajkumar.

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

to "clog up the system".

 

It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

Jesus.

 

The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

 

Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

down the land.

 

SOURCE: The Times of India

URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

 

*****

 

HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

 

Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

the sentiments of Hindus.

 

"The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

India has been a subject of heated debate."

 

"Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

 

Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

 

"It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

 

"Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

other goods."

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

offence to the community.

 

SOURCE: Hindu Forum

URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

[Guest guest]

, "SR.Raj kumar"

<srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

>

> Let us think in a positive way.

> let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to

Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for

tat and lets spread unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we

try to criticise or condem the act it is going to be more and more of

such incidents, or if we just ignore, then they are going to increase

such publishings with a clear motive to spread their religion. Anyways

it is a close call.

> Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

>

> Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

>

> SR.Rajkumar.

>

--------------------------

SR. Rajkumar,

 

The process has started. Someone is trying to do tit for tat.

Though Hinduism respects all faiths, in Mumbai, you will find a large

no. of hindus attending to Mahim Dargah or Mahim church. But the

reality of the church is different, sorry to say,go to below link and

see, and then understand why the below scholar has formed the satanic

society:

 

http://www.christianaggression.org/features_survey.php

 

 

Outrage over 'Jesus with horns'

http://www.suntimes.co.za/2000/12/17/news/durban/ndbn02.htm

 

Christians slam 'blasphemous' and 'inflammatory' books by Hindu scholar

BUDDY NAIDU

 

Two books that depict Jesus Christ on their covers with devil's horns

have sparked outrage among Christians in the run-up to Christmas.

Written by Thayalan Reddy, an American-based former South African

Hindu scholar, the books claim to highlight "fundamental flaws and

inaccuracies" in the Bible.

 

 

Church spokesmen have branded the books, Jesus is Satan and The

Plotted Course, as "blasphemous" and "inflammatory".

 

 

Their covers show Christ on the cross with horns on his head. Reddy

said he chose the images because they should "burn in everyone's mind

when they look at religion, specifically Christianity, today".

 

 

Reddy, 50, founded the World Church of Jesus is Satan organisation in

Detroit, Michigan, in 1993.

 

 

He said he wrote the books primarily to stem the tide of Hindu

conversions to Christianity.

[Guest guest]

The best method is we order those stanps from British mail and then send to

church elders and british Government officials. The pictures should be such that

at first glance it will look ordinary.

Any takers??

 

See

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/07/07/stories/2003070700480200.htm

http://www.ukpo.com/news/expandarticlea.asp?id=764&brand=royal_mail

 

 

 

"SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9 wrote:

Let us think in a positive way.

let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to Krishna or

Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for tat and lets spread

unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we try to criticise or condem the

act it is going to be more and more of such incidents, or if we just ignore,

then they are going to increase such publishings with a clear motive to spread

their religion. Anyways it is a close call.

Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

 

Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

 

SR.Rajkumar.

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

to "clog up the system".

 

It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

Jesus.

 

The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

 

Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

down the land.

 

SOURCE: The Times of India

URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

 

*****

 

HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

 

Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

the sentiments of Hindus.

 

"The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

India has been a subject of heated debate."

 

"Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

 

Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

 

"It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

 

"Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

other goods."

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

offence to the community.

 

SOURCE: Hindu Forum

URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Kochu, I'm in. Brilliant idea. Maybe these stamps can be ordered and

personalized showing Christian Fathers and friars worshiping Lord Sri Krishna,

Devi & Lord Shiva to get the point across. They can also be ordered in USA like

that, as we also have the same thing here too at post offices.

 

JANARDANA DAS

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

The best method is we order those stanps from British mail and then send to

church elders and british Government officials. The pictures should be such that

at first glance it will look ordinary.

Any takers??

 

See

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/07/07/stories/2003070700480200.htm

http://www.ukpo.com/news/expandarticlea.asp?id=764&brand=royal_mail

 

 

 

"SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9 wrote:

Let us think in a positive way.

let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to Krishna or

Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for tat and lets spread

unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we try to criticise or condem the

act it is going to be more and more of such incidents, or if we just ignore,

then they are going to increase such publishings with a clear motive to spread

their religion. Anyways it is a close call.

Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

 

Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

 

SR.Rajkumar.

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

to "clog up the system".

 

It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

Jesus.

 

The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

 

Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

down the land.

 

SOURCE: The Times of India

URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

 

*****

 

HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

 

Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

the sentiments of Hindus.

 

"The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

India has been a subject of heated debate."

 

"Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

 

Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

 

"It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

 

"Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

other goods."

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

offence to the community.

 

SOURCE: Hindu Forum

URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

 

 

 

 

 

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LOL...nice idea! However, I bet you the Royal Mail will excercise

"Company Discretion" and will not allow it! Also I think there is a

very old law here which prohibits heresey and it is currently

applicable only to the Christian religion. The Muslims here in the UK

are fighting hard to have that legislation applicable to Islam too.

 

Still for ideas how about......

 

1. St Alban (Britian's first Saint) kneeling before a Shiv Linga,

hands joined in prayer

 

2. Christmas coming up...so...how about Mary and Josesph looking at a

nice blue BalKrishna with a tilak on His forehead in a basket. The 3

Wise Men could be kneeling in reverance too!

 

3. Better still how about a Cross with a SriChakra in front of it and

kneeling Saints (you know the typical Medieval lineart, halo round

the head) kneeling around the SriChakra! Might get away with that one!

After all its just a "pretty picture" and could look like someone has

taken "artistic licence" with the Star of David!

 

 

ummm..I think I better stop before I get too carried away with my

"artistic licence"! Seriously though, I fail to see what the

authenticity of the date that painting was painted has to do with this

and also, what is the reaction to this stamp in India? Or isn't there one?

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> The best method is we order those stanps from British mail and then

send to church elders and british Government officials. The pictures

should be such that at first glance it will look ordinary.

> Any takers??

>

> See

> http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/07/07/stories/2003070700480200.htm

> http://www.ukpo.com/news/expandarticlea.asp?id=764&brand=royal_mail

>

>

>

> "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

> Let us think in a positive way.

> let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to

Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for

tat and lets spread unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we

try to criticise or condem the act it is going to be more and more of

such incidents, or if we just ignore, then they are going to increase

such publishings with a clear motive to spread their religion. Anyways

it is a close call.

> Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

>

> Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

>

> SR.Rajkumar.

>

> Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

> of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

> thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

> to "clog up the system".

>

> It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

> withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

> Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

> Jesus.

>

> The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

> hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

> Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

> destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

>

> Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

> Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

> that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

> stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

> down the land.

>

> SOURCE: The Times of India

> URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

>

> *****

>

> HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

>

> Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

> asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

> picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

> Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

> identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

> traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

> married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

> and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

> the sentiments of Hindus.

>

> "The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

> price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

> secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

> claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

> dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

> the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

> insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

> India has been a subject of heated debate."

>

> "Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

> license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

> should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

> the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

> Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

> redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

> foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

>

> Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

> issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

> whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

>

> "It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

> Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

> community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

> festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

> in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

> Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

> if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

> priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

>

> The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

> expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

> the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

> dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

>

> "Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

> issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

> in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

> hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

> have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

> other goods."

>

> The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

> manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

> release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

> offence to the community.

>

> SOURCE: Hindu Forum

> URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

>

>

>

>

>

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Jus my two cents.

To avoid prolysteisation charge it is called a "Mougul" painting.

It has been reported wiely in papers - at least in Kerala

we can expect a slow reaction to build up.

 

her_asha <her_asha wrote:

LOL...nice idea! However, I bet you the Royal Mail will excercise

"Company Discretion" and will not allow it! Also I think there is a very old law

here which prohibits heresey and it is currently applicable only to the

Christian religion. The Muslims here in the UK are fighting hard to have that

legislation applicable to Islam too.

 

Still for ideas how about......

 

1. St Alban (Britian's first Saint) kneeling before a Shiv Linga, hands joined

in prayer

 

2. Christmas coming up...so...how about Mary and Josesph looking at a nice blue

BalKrishna with a tilak on His forehead in a basket. The 3 Wise Men could be

kneeling in reverance too!

 

3. Better still how about a Cross with a SriChakra in front of it and kneeling

Saints (you know the typical Medieval lineart, halo round the head) kneeling

around the SriChakra! Might get away with that one! After all its just a "pretty

picture" and could look like someone has taken "artistic licence" with the Star

of David!

 

 

ummm..I think I better stop before I get too carried away with my "artistic

licence"! Seriously though, I fail to see what the authenticity of the date that

painting was painted has to do with this and also, what is the reaction to this

stamp in India? Or isn't there one?

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> The best method is we order those stanps from British mail and then

send to church elders and british Government officials. The pictures

should be such that at first glance it will look ordinary.

> Any takers??

>

> See

> http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/07/07/stories/2003070700480200.htm

> http://www.ukpo.com/news/expandarticlea.asp?id=764&brand=royal_mail

>

>

>

> "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

> Let us think in a positive way.

> let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to

Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for

tat and lets spread unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we

try to criticise or condem the act it is going to be more and more of

such incidents, or if we just ignore, then they are going to increase

such publishings with a clear motive to spread their religion. Anyways

it is a close call.

> Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

>

> Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

>

> SR.Rajkumar.

>

> Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

> of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

> thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

> to "clog up the system".

>

> It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

> withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

> Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

> Jesus.

>

> The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

> hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

> Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

> destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

>

> Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

> Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

> that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

> stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

> down the land.

>

> SOURCE: The Times of India

> URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

>

> *****

>

> HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

>

> Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

> asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

> picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

> Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

> identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

> traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

> married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

> and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

> the sentiments of Hindus.

>

> "The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

> price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

> secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

> claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

> dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

> the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

> insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

> India has been a subject of heated debate."

>

> "Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

> license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

> should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

> the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

> Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

> redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

> foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

>

> Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

> issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

> whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

>

> "It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

> Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

> community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

> festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

> in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

> Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

> if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

> priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

>

> The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

> expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

> the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

> dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

>

> "Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

> issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

> in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

> hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

> have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

> other goods."

>

> The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

> manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

> release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

> offence to the community.

>

> SOURCE: Hindu Forum

> URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

>

>

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and lets offerit in SS Cybershoppe at cyber cafe (I am nasty eh?)

 

Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote:Kochu, I'm in. Brilliant idea.

Maybe these stamps can be ordered and personalized showing Christian Fathers and

friars worshiping Lord Sri Krishna, Devi & Lord Shiva to get the point across.

They can also be ordered in USA like that, as we also have the same thing here

too at post offices.

 

JANARDANA DAS

 

sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

The best method is we order those stanps from British mail and then send to

church elders and british Government officials. The pictures should be such that

at first glance it will look ordinary.

Any takers??

 

See

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/07/07/stories/2003070700480200.htm

http://www.ukpo.com/news/expandarticlea.asp?id=764&brand=royal_mail

 

 

 

"SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9 wrote:

Let us think in a positive way.

let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to Krishna or

Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for tat and lets spread

unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we try to criticise or condem the

act it is going to be more and more of such incidents, or if we just ignore,

then they are going to increase such publishings with a clear motive to spread

their religion. Anyways it is a close call.

Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

 

Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

 

SR.Rajkumar.

 

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

to "clog up the system".

 

It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

Jesus.

 

The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

 

Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

down the land.

 

SOURCE: The Times of India

URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

 

*****

 

HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

 

Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

the sentiments of Hindus.

 

"The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

India has been a subject of heated debate."

 

"Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

 

Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

 

"It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

 

"Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

other goods."

 

The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

offence to the community.

 

SOURCE: Hindu Forum

URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I don't think it's nasty at all. I think it could be done in the

spirit of unity, as well as in good humor, in keeping with general

religious lightheartedness (!). I liked the design ideas and I hope

some members out there have the ability to create such designs.

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> and lets offerit in SS Cybershoppe at cyber cafe (I am nasty

eh?)

>

> Janardana Dasa <lightdweller> wrote:Kochu, I'm in. Brilliant

idea. Maybe these stamps can be ordered and personalized showing

Christian Fathers and friars worshiping Lord Sri Krishna, Devi &

Lord Shiva to get the point across. They can also be ordered in USA

like that, as we also have the same thing here too at post offices.

[Guest guest]

So?? who will start the ball rolling??

 

Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote:I don't think it's nasty at all. I

think it could be done in the spirit of unity, as well as in good humor, in

keeping with general religious lightheartedness (!). I liked the design ideas

and I hope some members out there have the ability to create such designs.

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> and lets offerit in SS Cybershoppe at cyber cafe (I am nasty

eh?)

>

> Janardana Dasa <lightdweller> wrote:Kochu, I'm in. Brilliant

idea. Maybe these stamps can be ordered and personalized showing

Christian Fathers and friars worshiping Lord Sri Krishna, Devi &

Lord Shiva to get the point across. They can also be ordered in USA

like that, as we also have the same thing here too at post offices.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

Just to offer that I sent an email to the Royal Mail to voice my

opinion on this subject.

 

Evangelism seeks to divide us all in the name of uniting us.

 

Here's the url:

 

http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content2?catId=400144&mediaId=3100063&emailSu\

bject=Shop%20Feedback

 

Blessings,

 

prainbow

 

, "SR.Raj kumar"

<srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

>

> Let us think in a positive way.

> let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian fathers praying to

Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have more unity. Tit for

tat and lets spread unity. Belief in all Gods. I find that though we

try to criticise or condem the act it is going to be more and more of

such incidents, or if we just ignore, then they are going to increase

such publishings with a clear motive to spread their religion. Anyways

it is a close call.

> Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs barking at the Sun?

>

> Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

>

> SR.Rajkumar.

>

> Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are taking the politics

> of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level by sending

> thousands of unstamped letters to the country's postal department

> to "clog up the system".

>

> It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

> withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

> Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple worshipping the Baby

> Jesus.

>

> The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old painting currently

> hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across the UK (on

> Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly be used on post

> destined for non-European Union destinations such as India.

>

> Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella Hindu Forum of

> Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told TOI on Wednesday

> that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal to withdraw the

> stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000 outlets up and

> down the land.

>

> SOURCE: The Times of India

> URL: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

>

> *****

>

> HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL STAMP

>

> Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of Britain have

> asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp which features the

> picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings worshipping baby

> Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his forehead clearly

> identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman has the

> traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead identifying her as a

> married Hindu lady. This is not the first time that Hindu images

> and icons have been used inappropriately in a manner that has hurt

> the sentiments of Hindus.

>

> "The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which is usually the

> price of stamps on letters sent to India," said Ramesh Kallidai,

> secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "Royal Mail sources

> claim that the original painting printed on the face of the stamp is

> dated 1620. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of

> the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be

> insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in

> India has been a subject of heated debate."

>

> "Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took the artistic

> license to portray practising Hindus worshipping the Baby Christ, we

> should be asking if this is politically and sensitively correct in

> the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We therefore urge the

> Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately or issue a

> redesigned version that does not have the Hindu markings on the

> foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

>

> Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for Royal Mail to

> issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail have not confirmed

> whether they are prepared to accept such a proposal.

>

> "It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue

> Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu

> community but remain silent on the issue of stamps for Diwali, the

> festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community

> in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of the Hindu Forum of

> Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable

> if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian

> priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

>

> The Hindu Forum of Britain recognises that Hinduism allows creative

> expression and art to the greatest degree. Hindu culture has been

> the source of some of the greatest sculptures, paintings, costumes,

> dance, music and drama ever created in the history of human history.

>

> "Use of Hindu images in an appropriate manner has never been an

> issue," continued Ramesh Kallidai. "It is only when images are used

> in a disrespectful or inappropriate way resulting in offence and

> hurt that we become concerned. This list is endless and Hindu images

> have been used on toilet seats, tissue paper, bikins, shoes and

> other goods."

>

> The Hindu Forum of Britain has even appealed to advertisers,

> manufacturers and others to consult the organisation before they

> release products and advertisements to avoid causing unnecessary

> offence to the community.

>

> SOURCE: Hindu Forum

> URL: http://www.hinduforum.org/

>

[Guest guest]

Creating such a design is quite possible. A bit tricky but very

possible.

 

But before we embark on such an adventure, I have a few questions to

ask.

 

How many people here, when they feel like visiting a holy

place/temple, can go into a church or mosque, ask for permission

from the person in charge to pray (to HER) without offending the

person's religious sentiments? And pray without any ill will towards

that religion? Moreover, come out and feel like they really prayed

to GOD and not boast that they prayed to HER in the place of worship

of another religion, or ashamed of their action as it may be viewed

bad by other members of their religious commnunity?

 

Until people are capable of complete tolerance in their personal

religious practice as well, any act of incorporating other religious

deities in images for public viewing will generate more bad feelings

than good.

 

There are about a couple or three thousand members here. Frequently,

conversations among members here reach an almost boiling point

regarding ideas, methods and mode of worship of HER. Usually one of

the moderators steps in to diffuse or post a cease & desist message

to cool things down.

 

With so many different and strongly adhered to perspectives

regarding a single practice, it might not be a good idea to venture

where "No Shaktha has gone ever before!"

 

To stress the non-insulting nature of the created image as such, it

might not be a good idea to have it for sale in SS cafepress shop.

 

SS group has a clearly stated goal - to paraphrase - SHE is the

supreme God. From outside Hinduism, it can be interpreted as

Hinduism is the Best religion as viewed by SS group and its members.

Posting/selling a product from SS cafepress shop with a Nativity

image incorporating Baby Krishna will send an obvious message

that "your" holymen/angels worship to "our" God. It will create more

harm than good.

 

Just my thoughts/opinions, and people generally have a saying about

opinions!! ;-)

 

 

 

, "Mary Ann"

<buttercookie61> wrote:

>

> I don't think it's nasty at all. I think it could be done in the

> spirit of unity, as well as in good humor, in keeping with general

> religious lightheartedness (!). I liked the design ideas and I

hope

> some members out there have the ability to create such designs.

>

> , sankara menon

<kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> >

> > and lets offerit in SS Cybershoppe at cyber cafe (I am nasty

> eh?)

> >

> > Janardana Dasa <lightdweller> wrote:Kochu, I'm in.

Brilliant

> idea. Maybe these stamps can be ordered and personalized showing

> Christian Fathers and friars worshiping Lord Sri Krishna, Devi &

> Lord Shiva to get the point across. They can also be ordered in

USA

> like that, as we also have the same thing here too at post offices.

>

[Guest guest]

mute point ladies and gentlemen. The "personalised" stamps are a a

selection of pre-designs already offered by the Royal Mail. All you

are allowed to do is send in a photo of yourself or someone to go

alongside the design.

 

 

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

>

> So?? who will start the ball rolling??

>

> Mary Ann <buttercookie61> wrote:I don't think it's nasty at

all. I think it could be done in the spirit of unity, as well as in

good humor, in keeping with general religious lightheartedness (!). I

liked the design ideas and I hope some members out there have the

ability to create such designs.

>

> , sankara menon <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> >

> > and lets offerit in SS Cybershoppe at cyber cafe (I am nasty

> eh?)

> >

> > Janardana Dasa <lightdweller> wrote:Kochu, I'm in. Brilliant

> idea. Maybe these stamps can be ordered and personalized showing

> Christian Fathers and friars worshiping Lord Sri Krishna, Devi &

> Lord Shiva to get the point across. They can also be ordered in USA

> like that, as we also have the same thing here too at post offices.

[Guest guest]

In my younger, more rabble-rousing days, I drew a

"Christmas card" that showed Mary and baby Jesus

seated on a straw-strewn floor. The baby is clapping

delightedly as he watches a "dreidel" (a top typically

played with during Hannukah) spinning in front of

them.

 

What were you expecting -- Christmas decorations in

Mary and Joseph's home?

 

Similarly, I suspect Prince Siddhartha would look nice

decorating a small Krishna deity with tulsi leaves.

(He never intended Buddhism to become another

religion!)

 

-- Len

 

 

--- her_asha <her_asha wrote:

> LOL...nice idea! However, I bet you the Royal Mail

> will excercise

> "Company Discretion" and will not allow it! Also I

> think there is a

> very old law here which prohibits heresey and it is

> currently

> applicable only to the Christian religion. The

> Muslims here in the UK

> are fighting hard to have that legislation

> applicable to Islam too.

>

> Still for ideas how about......

>

> 1. St Alban (Britian's first Saint) kneeling before

> a Shiv Linga,

> hands joined in prayer

>

> 2. Christmas coming up...so...how about Mary and

> Josesph looking at a

> nice blue BalKrishna with a tilak on His forehead in

> a basket. The 3

> Wise Men could be kneeling in reverance too!

>

> 3. Better still how about a Cross with a SriChakra

> in front of it and

> kneeling Saints (you know the typical Medieval

> lineart, halo round

> the head) kneeling around the SriChakra! Might get

> away with that one!

> After all its just a "pretty picture" and could look

> like someone has

> taken "artistic licence" with the Star of David!

>

>

> ummm..I think I better stop before I get too carried

> away with my

> "artistic licence"! Seriously though, I fail to see

> what the

> authenticity of the date that painting was painted

> has to do with this

> and also, what is the reaction to this stamp in

> India? Or isn't there one?

>

>

> , sankara menon

> <kochu1tz>

> wrote:

> >

> > The best method is we order those stanps from

> British mail and then

> send to church elders and british Government

> officials. The pictures

> should be such that at first glance it will look

> ordinary.

> > Any takers??

> >

> > See

> >

>

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2003/07/07/stories/2003070700480200.htm

> >

>

http://www.ukpo.com/news/expandarticlea.asp?id=764&brand=royal_mail

> >

> >

> >

> > "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

> > Let us think in a positive way.

> > let Indian govt. publish stamps with christian

> fathers praying to

> Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi. then we can have

> more unity. Tit for

> tat and lets spread unity. Belief in all Gods. I

> find that though we

> try to criticise or condem the act it is going to be

> more and more of

> such incidents, or if we just ignore, then they are

> going to increase

> such publishings with a clear motive to spread their

> religion. Anyways

> it is a close call.

> > Should we criticise or just ignore it out as dogs

> barking at the Sun?

> >

> > Very important-I mean no offense to any religion.

> >

> > SR.Rajkumar.

> >

> > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> > LONDON (November 02, 2005): British Hindus are

> taking the politics

> > of Gandhian non-violent resistance to a new level

> by sending

> > thousands of unstamped letters to the country's

> postal department

> > to "clog up the system".

> >

> > It is part of an ingenious protest against Royal

> Mail's refusal to

> > withdraw one of this year's controversial new

> mother and child

> > Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu couple

> worshipping the Baby

> > Jesus.

> >

> > The stamp, which carries a nearly 400-year-old

> painting currently

> > hanging in a Mumbai museum, goes on sale across

> the UK (on

> > Wednesday) and is priced so that it would mainly

> be used on post

> > destined for non-European Union destinations such

> as India.

> >

> > Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the umbrella

> Hindu Forum of

> > Britain, which is spearheading the protest, told

> TOI on Wednesday

> > that UK Hindus were upset at Royal Mail's refusal

> to withdraw the

> > stamp from 40,000 post office counters and 17,000

> outlets up and

> > down the land.

> >

> > SOURCE: The Times of India

> > URL:

>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1283161.cms

> >

> > *****

> >

> > HFB DEMANDS WITHDRAWAL OF INSENSITIVE ROYAL MAIL

> STAMP

> >

> > Hindu leaders in Britain led by the Hindu Forum of

> Britain have

> > asked Royal Mail to withdraw a Christmas stamp

> which features the

> > picture of a man and a woman with Hindu markings

> worshipping baby

> > Christ. The man has a 'tilak' marking on his

> forehead clearly

> > identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu and the woman

> has the

> > traditional 'kumkum' mark on her forehead

> identifying her as a

> > married Hindu lady. This is not the first time

> that Hindu images

> > and icons have been used inappropriately in a

> manner that has hurt

> > the sentiments of Hindus.

> >

> > "The stamp in question is priced at 0.68 p, which

> is usually the

> > price of stamps on letters sent to India," said

> Ramesh Kallidai,

> > secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain.

> "Royal Mail sources

> > claim that the original painting printed on the

> face of the stamp is

> > dated 1620. While many people doubt the

> authenticity of the age of

> > the painting, we believe that even if this were

> true, it would be

> > insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of

> conversions in

> > India has been a subject of heated debate."

> >

> > "Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 AD took

> the artistic

> > license to portray practising Hindus worshipping

> the Baby Christ, we

> > should be asking if this is politically and

> sensitively correct in

> > the 21st century," added Ramesh Kallidai. "We

> therefore urge the

> > Post Office to withdraw the 68 p stamp immediately

> or issue a

> > redesigned version that does not have the Hindu

> markings on the

> > foreheads of the two characters in the stamp."

> >

> > Hindu leaders had started a campaign last year for

> Royal Mail to

> > issue special stamps for Diwali but Royal Mail

> have not confirmed

> > whether they are prepared to accept such a

> proposal.

> >

> > "It is striking to see that Royal Mail thinks it

> prudent to issue

> > Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the

> worldwide Hindu

> > community but remain silent on the issue of stamps

> for Diwali, the

> > festival of lights celebrated by the third largest

> faith community

> > in the UK," commented Ishwer Tailor, President of

> the Hindu Forum of

> > Britain. "Would the worldwide Christian community

> feel comfortable

> > if the Government of India issued a Diwali stamp

> with a Christian

> > priest offering worship to Baby Krishna?"

>

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[Guest guest]

, "ganpra" <ganpra@r...> wrote:

>

> Creating such a design is quite possible. A bit tricky but very

> possible.

>

> But before we embark on such an adventure, I have a few questions

to

> ask.

>

> How many people here, when they feel like visiting a holy

> place/temple, can go into a church or mosque, ask for permission

> from the person in charge to pray (to HER) without offending the

> person's religious sentiments? And pray without any ill will

towards

> that religion? Moreover, come out and feel like they really prayed

> to GOD and not boast that they prayed to HER in the place of

worship

> of another religion, or ashamed of their action as it may be

viewed

> bad by other members of their religious commnunity?

>

> Until people are capable of complete tolerance in their personal

> religious practice as well, any act of incorporating other

religious

> deities in images for public viewing will generate more bad

feelings

> than good.

>

> There are about a couple or three thousand members here.

Frequently,

> conversations among members here reach an almost boiling point

> regarding ideas, methods and mode of worship of HER. Usually one

of

> the moderators steps in to diffuse or post a cease & desist

message

> to cool things down.

>

> With so many different and strongly adhered to perspectives

> regarding a single practice, it might not be a good idea to

venture

> where "No Shaktha has gone ever before!"

>

> To stress the non-insulting nature of the created image as such,

it

> might not be a good idea to have it for sale in SS cafepress shop.

>

> SS group has a clearly stated goal - to paraphrase - SHE is the

> supreme God. From outside Hinduism, it can be interpreted as

> Hinduism is the Best religion as viewed by SS group and its

members.

> Posting/selling a product from SS cafepress shop with a Nativity

> image incorporating Baby Krishna will send an obvious message

> that "your" holymen/angels worship to "our" God. It will create

more

> harm than good.

>

> Just my thoughts/opinions, and people generally have a saying

about

> opinions!! ;-)

 

 

 

Personally I tend to agree with ganpra. But alas! this is suppose to

be top secret, I just cant keep it buried anymore. Devi Bhakta and

Me [ obviously Kochu will be drag into this project as well ]

planning for an all Shakta Calender tentatively for 2007. Remember

we talk about this lonnnnnnnnnnng time ago. The project never

actually take off. I have reminded Devi bhakta we must make sure

this [ because the calender is where it all started first ]are

fulfill only then the SS shop will move. I will personally

harp [ I might need some help from our members here too ]on Devi

Bhakta from now onwards to work on the calender. Sooo having said

that, I think it will be good to have the pictures of our Devis

together with Mary, or St Ann or other Female Saint. Let the

christians do what they like, we are peaceful people and we should

do it in a peaceful and harmonious manner. I dunno. Bad idea?

[Guest guest]

Template for calendars are available in the cafepress shop uploads.

May be it will be a good idea to check it out.

 

But my guess is selling photos and calendars might require to have

a "paid" shop there. Costs around US$60/year.

 

Another option is www.lulu.com, where one can upload digital files

in their templates and they will "Print On Demand" meaning as a

customer places an order, they will print it and send it out. If I

remember corretly, the item will have its own ISBN and may also be

listed on amazon.com and other places.

 

Only a little hitch with lulu.com is they will notify the internal

revenue service (IRS) of the earnings. It will be reflected in the

IRS account of the person who created the calendar.

 

Meanwhile, it is better to decide now, which type of images to be

displayed on the calendar. Art works? Photos of deities from

temples? or both?

 

In case of art works, SS might have to deal with copyright issues

with authors or copyright owners ($$$).

 

If it is the photos, then members may donate (!?) photos they took.

It might again avoid the copyright issue. Of course, members have to

sign a form for copyright release. In this case, it will be better

to scan from negatives/slides than to scan from the prints. Better

resolution from negatives/slides. Digital cameras with more than

5mpix and above will produce decent photos for printing (A4/letter

size).

 

In either case, I can be of help with PS (Photoshop for the

uninitiated), scanning negatives and stuff.

 

I also know a couple of people (professionals, semi-pros) who have

experiences with publishing photos. Can bother them for some free

advice and help.

 

, "NMadasamy" <nmadasamy@s...>

wrote:

>

>

> Personally I tend to agree with ganpra. But alas! this is suppose

to

> be top secret, I just cant keep it buried anymore. Devi Bhakta and

> Me [ obviously Kochu will be drag into this project as well ]

> planning for an all Shakta Calender tentatively for 2007. Remember

> we talk about this lonnnnnnnnnnng time ago. The project never

> actually take off. I have reminded Devi bhakta we must make sure

> this [ because the calender is where it all started first ]are

> fulfill only then the SS shop will move. I will personally

> harp [ I might need some help from our members here too ]on Devi

> Bhakta from now onwards to work on the calender. Sooo having said

> that, I think it will be good to have the pictures of our Devis

> together with Mary, or St Ann or other Female Saint. Let the

> christians do what they like, we are peaceful people and we should

> do it in a peaceful and harmonious manner. I dunno. Bad idea?

>

[Guest guest]

No, not a bad idea. Go for it!

 

-- Len

 

 

--- NMadasamy <nmadasamy

wrote:

>

> Personally I tend to agree with ganpra. But alas!

> this is suppose to

> be top secret, I just cant keep it buried anymore.

> Devi Bhakta and

> Me [ obviously Kochu will be drag into this project

> as well ]

> planning for an all Shakta Calender tentatively for

> 2007. Remember

> we talk about this lonnnnnnnnnnng time ago. The

> project never

> actually take off. I have reminded Devi bhakta we

> must make sure

> this [ because the calender is where it all started

> first ]are

> fulfill only then the SS shop will move. I will

> personally

> harp [ I might need some help from our members here

> too ]on Devi

> Bhakta from now onwards to work on the calender.

> Sooo having said

> that, I think it will be good to have the pictures

> of our Devis

> together with Mary, or St Ann or other Female Saint.

> Let the

> christians do what they like, we are peaceful people

> and we should

> do it in a peaceful and harmonious manner. I dunno.

> Bad idea?

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, "ganpra" <ganpra@r...> wrote:

>

> Template for calendars are available in the cafepress shop

uploads.

> May be it will be a good idea to check it out.

>

> But my guess is selling photos and calendars might require to have

> a "paid" shop there. Costs around US$60/year.

>

> Another option is www.lulu.com, where one can upload digital files

> in their templates and they will "Print On Demand" meaning as a

> customer places an order, they will print it and send it out. If I

> remember corretly, the item will have its own ISBN and may also be

> listed on amazon.com and other places.

>

> Only a little hitch with lulu.com is they will notify the internal

> revenue service (IRS) of the earnings. It will be reflected in the

> IRS account of the person who created the calendar.

>

> Meanwhile, it is better to decide now, which type of images to be

> displayed on the calendar. Art works? Photos of deities from

> temples? or both?

>

> In case of art works, SS might have to deal with copyright issues

> with authors or copyright owners ($$$).

>

> If it is the photos, then members may donate (!?) photos they

took.

> It might again avoid the copyright issue. Of course, members have

to

> sign a form for copyright release. In this case, it will be better

> to scan from negatives/slides than to scan from the prints. Better

> resolution from negatives/slides. Digital cameras with more than

> 5mpix and above will produce decent photos for printing (A4/letter

> size).

>

> In either case, I can be of help with PS (Photoshop for the

> uninitiated), scanning negatives and stuff.

>

> I also know a couple of people (professionals, semi-pros) who have

> experiences with publishing photos. Can bother them for some free

> advice and help.

>

 

 

All must be DEVIs only. Go on say it! yes! Im a DEVI fanatic and im

proud of it. It will be good if its going to be a group effort. Its

nice to pay somebody or another organisation to do it. But do you

pay others to do your sadhana?

 

Also we must remember about cost. Amazon.com may sounds very

presitigous but very expensive to some. Lets take eg of cafepress

shop we have here. Many of my friends here in Singapore and

Malaysia, feels the price is too expensive. We can get a cheaper T-

shirts or Mugs [ with the same quality ] here at three time less the

price. Hey! yes as you may say its for charity, but still the price

may be a problem. We cannot abuse the generosity of the people. yes!

it got to do with money and being practical about it. We shouldnt

allow Greed take hold of us.

 

 

If Im to take the logo of SS and print it here in Malaysia, I can do

it at a much cheaper price as offered by cafepress shop. Ive asked

around, and many of them esp from the lower income group [ rural

area] like the idea of all Devi's calender, but they cant afford to

pay so much. If I can have an organisation to sponsor, I rather give

these people the calender for free. As a promotion and awareness.

Got nothing to do with profit making. We are not here to make

profits. As long as it covers the production cost, I am happy.

[Guest guest]

Let the foreign govts send a hundred stamps to each of us free in the name of

unity. that shall be better unity.

[Guest guest]

I don't particularly want to resurrect

the "stamps" discussion, but I received

an early Christmas gift today that made me think

of our discussion.

 

I've been given a box of (really wonderful!)

handmade incense from Nepal, in a fabulously

decorative hand-painted box. The image features

the Three Wise Men (from the Christian nativity

story), beneath a Star of David (Jewish star),

bringing gifts to a deity figure that's

definitely not from Christian tradition!

 

It's truly lovely; you can see photos of the

the design here:

http://www.essenceoftheages.com/

 

BTW, my Catholic sweetheart likes the image too.

 

, "her_asha" <her_asha>

wrote:

>

> [....] for [design] ideas how about......

>

> 2. Christmas coming up...so...

> how about Mary and Josesph looking at a

> nice blue BalKrishna with a tilak on His

> forehead in a basket. The 3

> Wise Men could be kneeling in reverance too!

> >

> > "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

> > Let us think in a positive way.

> > let Indian govt. publish stamps with

> > christian fathers praying to

> > Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi.

> [....]

> > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> > LONDON (November 02, 2005):

> > [....] an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

> > withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

> > Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu

> > couple worshipping the Baby

> > Jesus.

[the stamp was withdrawn, with apologies]

[Guest guest]

That New Morningstar Earth fragrance sounds great - looooove that

chocolate! Have you tried it before?

 

, "msbauju" <msbauju>

wrote:

>

>

> I don't particularly want to resurrect

> the "stamps" discussion, but I received

> an early Christmas gift today that made me think

> of our discussion.

>

> I've been given a box of (really wonderful!)

> handmade incense from Nepal, in a fabulously

> decorative hand-painted box. The image features

> the Three Wise Men (from the Christian nativity

> story), beneath a Star of David (Jewish star),

> bringing gifts to a deity figure that's

> definitely not from Christian tradition!

>

> It's truly lovely; you can see photos of the

> the design here:

> http://www.essenceoftheages.com/

>

> BTW, my Catholic sweetheart likes the image too.

>

> , "her_asha" <her_asha>

> wrote:

> >

> > [....] for [design] ideas how about......

> >

> > 2. Christmas coming up...so...

> > how about Mary and Josesph looking at a

> > nice blue BalKrishna with a tilak on His

> > forehead in a basket. The 3

> > Wise Men could be kneeling in reverance too!

> > >

>

> > > "SR.Raj kumar" <srirajarajeswari9> wrote:

> > > Let us think in a positive way.

> > > let Indian govt. publish stamps with

> > > christian fathers praying to

> > > Krishna or Lord shiva or parvthi.

> > [....]

>

> > > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta> wrote:

> > > LONDON (November 02, 2005):

> > > [....] an ingenious protest against Royal Mail's refusal to

> > > withdraw one of this year's controversial new mother and child

> > > Christmas stamps -- depicting a Hindu

> > > couple worshipping the Baby

> > > Jesus.

> [the stamp was withdrawn, with apologies]

>