Guest guest Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Hi I am Vikrant, I recently came across a good book on use of tantra and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri. In this book are given many many mantras(and also tantra methods) to acheive almost about any results.For every mantra that is written there is also corresponding english translation for it. Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and would like to know- 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before one can actually start using these mantras to achieve results. 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result so in this case does one need to make sure that the each and every word or syllable of the mantra is spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited. 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008 times in the above example. 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce + vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to achieve the desired results? Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am new to the subject and i have pondered upon these questions to which i feel I should get the answers before I start using mantra to get results. "OM NAMAH SHIVAH" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Namaskaar Vikrant I would like to caution you about this book specifically, whoever translated it appears to have a Punjabi twang and apparently this carried over into the book. I would recommend you try only the Devanagari readings and not the english. Ideally you should be at least aware of the correct pronounciation of Sanskrit. To vibrate mantras incorrectly may cause you some unexpected results and problems. To remedy this with all mantras I recommend you use the following method Start it with Aum and End it with Aum. This is supposed to correct the deficiencies. However there are some mantras classed as ARI Mantra (enemy) which will not only be detrimental to you, it may cause you untold sufferings first. Always Worship Lord Ganesha first, before commencing any Sadhana of these mantras, everytime ! I would also recommend you get a guru who is versed in mantra vidya to teach you the many pitfalls. And last thing always remember that everything comes at a price, if you are expecting you will just recite a few mantras and everything will work out as you want it, think again. As you are a Shaiva, try also worshipping Dakshinamurti Guru first this activate all mantras. But you have to prepare yourself by much purification to begin to use mantras, at the very least make sure your meals are all vegetarian - no animal by-products except milk,dadhi,ghee for at least three months prior to starting. I would be happy to teach you some things but I have to find out your purpose first Dhanyavaad Pandit Devindra Maharaj --- Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme wrote: > Hi I am Vikrant, > > I recently came across a good book on use of tantra > and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and > tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri. > > In this book are given many many mantras(and also > tantra methods) to acheive almost about any > results.For every mantra that is written there is > also corresponding english translation for it. > > Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and > would like to know- > > 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before > one can actually start using these mantras to > achieve results. > > 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be > repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result > so in this case does one need to make sure that the > each and every word or syllable of the mantra is > spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every > time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited. > > 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the > complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not > properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited > even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008 > times in the above example. > > 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the > subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru > who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce + > vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to > achieve the desired results? > > Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am > new to the subject and i have pondered upon these > questions to which i feel I should get the answers > before I start using mantra to get results. > > "OM NAMAH SHIVAH" > > > ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 I enjoy Dr. Chawdhri's books on astrology and Hindu magic. The books (there are several of them) in the "Practicals" series are very useful. I even had a correspondence with Dr. Chawdhri for a while (he sold empowered yantras and other religious items from his office), but I think he has passed away a few years ago. But be aware that his material is sometimes flawed. His spelling (both English language and Roman transliteration) is often atrocious! He also pronounces the mantras in modern Indian languages, when they are meant to be pure Sanskrit. The devanagari seems to be accurate more often (I think one should be at least noddingly familiar with Sanskrit letters and grammar before seriously investigating the subject of mantra). Where to find a Guru who will teach proper recitation of mantras? It's a difficult question. My Guru, Ammachi of Kerala, gives only ONE mantra to her shishyas, and does not encourage experimentation. But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be permission to use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. Hatha yoga centers will often teach their students the best-known maha-mantras, like the Gayatri, Mahamritunjaya, Hare Krishna, etc. The Bengali holy woman, Shree Maa, with her American-born partner, Swami Satyananda of the Devi Mandir in Napa California, has a great variety of recorded mantric information available on cassettes and CDs. Look at their website on WWW.shreemaa.org for examples. I hope this will help. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme wrote: > Hi I am Vikrant, > > I recently came across a good book on use of tantra > and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and > tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri. > > In this book are given many many mantras(and also > tantra methods) to acheive almost about any > results.For every mantra that is written there is > also corresponding english translation for it. > > Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and > would like to know- > > 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before > one can actually start using these mantras to > achieve results. > > 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be > repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result > so in this case does one need to make sure that the > each and every word or syllable of the mantra is > spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every > time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited. > > 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the > complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not > properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited > even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008 > times in the above example. > > 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the > subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru > who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce + > vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to > achieve the desired results? > > Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am > new to the subject and i have pondered upon these > questions to which i feel I should get the answers > before I start using mantra to get results. > > "OM NAMAH SHIVAH" > > > ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Len wrote: But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be permission to use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma about this? Just curious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 I also have that book plus its companion. But there is something that I must add: I keep those books very far up on the shelf and want so much to put them in the dustbin. I consider them to be very dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In my humble view there is nothing wrong at all with using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you did not mention it, but when it comes to trying to propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain material favors, commit misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about that kind of stuff. One of those 2 books DOES indeed go into depth about that type of sadhana (BHAG. GITA - The ignorant propitiate the ghosts). It gave me the creeps reading it (i.e put rottem meat on roots of babhul tree and answer call of nature on that spot & chant mantra for x amount of time for x amount of days to gain siddhi of some long armed ghost!). in my view the temptations and chance of a mishap like letting an evil genii out of a bottle is too great in the KALI YUGA. I sincerely believe the average Joe should'nt EVER read those 2 books because of the temptation. Len, i agree his Roman transliteration is atrocious, but his mantras in Hindi are meant just to be that: in Hindi. There are a certain class of mantra in India that are in the Prakrit languages and used much by the common people. The name of those types of mantras escape me just now. Maybe our respected Panditji can shed light on what I am saying. Actually, the Hanuman Chalisa, as powerful a mantra as it is for keeping away malefic beings, is also written and chanted in Hindi. Janardana Dasa Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: I enjoy Dr. Chawdhri's books on astrology and Hindu magic. The books (there are several of them) in the "Practicals" series are very useful. I even had a correspondence with Dr. Chawdhri for a while (he sold empowered yantras and other religious items from his office), but I think he has passed away a few years ago. But be aware that his material is sometimes flawed. His spelling (both English language and Roman transliteration) is often atrocious! He also pronounces the mantras in modern Indian languages, when they are meant to be pure Sanskrit. The devanagari seems to be accurate more often (I think one should be at least noddingly familiar with Sanskrit letters and grammar before seriously investigating the subject of mantra). Where to find a Guru who will teach proper recitation of mantras? It's a difficult question. My Guru, Ammachi of Kerala, gives only ONE mantra to her shishyas, and does not encourage experimentation. But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be permission to use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. Hatha yoga centers will often teach their students the best-known maha-mantras, like the Gayatri, Mahamritunjaya, Hare Krishna, etc. The Bengali holy woman, Shree Maa, with her American-born partner, Swami Satyananda of the Devi Mandir in Napa California, has a great variety of recorded mantric information available on cassettes and CDs. Look at their website on WWW.shreemaa.org for examples. I hope this will help. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme wrote: > Hi I am Vikrant, > > I recently came across a good book on use of tantra > and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and > tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri. > > In this book are given many many mantras(and also > tantra methods) to acheive almost about any > results.For every mantra that is written there is > also corresponding english translation for it. > > Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and > would like to know- > > 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before > one can actually start using these mantras to > achieve results. > > 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be > repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result > so in this case does one need to make sure that the > each and every word or syllable of the mantra is > spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every > time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited. > > 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the > complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not > properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited > even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008 > times in the above example. > > 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the > subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru > who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce + > vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to > achieve the desired results? > > Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am > new to the subject and i have pondered upon these > questions to which i feel I should get the answers > before I start using mantra to get results. > > "OM NAMAH SHIVAH" > > > ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Beliefs of hinduism Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. 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Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Hi Vikrant: This book should be for general info only. It has so many mistakes and typos that, you cannot use anything from this book. If the subject interests you, I recommend that you get Ram Kumar Rai's translations on the tantras which are first rate and I have not seen any typos in his books at all (which is rare for most Indian books). At least you can read most of the sadhanas and commentaries from the source. The best book IMO is Swami Sivananda's Japa yoga. This book is very subtle and on the face of it may seem like an elementary book, but not so. If you do not get any results out of simple mantras(such as those outlined in the Japa yoga book), then you will probably not benefit from more advanced mantras... also important to stick to one mantra alone for a beginner. My 2c. Best wishes, -yogaman , Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme> wrote: > Hi I am Vikrant, > > I recently came across a good book on use of tantra and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri. > > In this book are given many many mantras(and also tantra methods) to acheive almost about any results.For every mantra that is written there is also corresponding english translation for it. > > Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and would like to know- > > 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before one can actually start using these mantras to achieve results. > > 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result so in this case does one need to make sure that the each and every word or syllable of the mantra is spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited. > > 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the complete mantra (or just a word or line in it) is not properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008 times in the above example. > > 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce + vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to achieve the desired results? > > Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am new to the subject and i have pondered upon these questions to which i feel I should get the answers before I start using mantra to get results. > > "OM NAMAH SHIVAH" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 childofdevi wrote: This book should be for general info only. It has so many mistakes and typos that, you cannot use anything from this book. If the subject interests you, I recommend that you get Ram Kumar Rai's translations on the tantras which are first rate and I have not seen any typos in his books at all (which is rare for most Indian books). At least you can read most of the sadhanas and commentaries from the source. Listen to Childofdevi important advise. Also if you do have further enquires abt mantras, you can either send an email to - owner. You questions will reach our two shakta guru here in the group. They are here with us, reading every messages that comes to our group. Silence but not necessary they are not aware what is happening. And they will communicate with you privately. That is one of their qualities, they do not go around advertising themselves here in the group looking for disciples. -owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Namaskaar I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months ! ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs). This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware of is this. I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have still not attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma and I am still not sinless. My advice to you is to begin this practice as a means of doing exactly this. Siddhis if misused can actually bring further bad karma to you. When you are ready MA will let you know how and when to use these mantras safely. Dhanyavaad Pandit Devindra Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Namaskaar Well I am not sure of the exact context of what you mean but I think that you may refer to Arsha Sanskrit I will venture to suggest the following Dharanis-are possibly the class of mantras. Shabari Mantras are also quite archaic in form. Aghori Mantras are also archaic and spoken in quite harsh terms Not too sure if these are what are referred but maybe you can give me some more to work with if these a not it. Dhanyavaad Pandit Devindra Maharaj --- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > I also have that book plus its companion. But there is something that I must add: I keep those books very far up on the shelf and want so much to put them in the dustbin. I consider them to be very dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In my humble view there is nothing wrong at all with using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you did not mention it, but when it comes to trying to propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain material favors, commit misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about that kind of stuff. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 , Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj> wrote: > Namaskaar > > I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months ! ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs). > > This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware of is this. > > I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have still not > attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma and I am still not sinless. .... so you are engrossed with this term Siddhi? Perhaps that is the catch, DEVI's way [ via Swami Sivananda ]of trapping aspirants like yourself. Perhaps if you move yourself from this idea of gaining siddhis and really worship her because you really love her, maybe, then only maybe it may break you past karma. Have you ever thought of all these? When you do good to another, must it always be rewarded? Will you be able to do something good to another without asking for anything in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 shabari and or aghori mantras sound about right panditji.... Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote: Namaskaar Well I am not sure of the exact context of what you mean but I think that you may refer to Arsha Sanskrit I will venture to suggest the following Dharanis-are possibly the class of mantras. Shabari Mantras are also quite archaic in form. Aghori Mantras are also archaic and spoken in quite harsh terms Not too sure if these are what are referred but maybe you can give me some more to work with if these a not it. Dhanyavaad Pandit Devindra Maharaj --- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > I also have that book plus its companion. But there is something that I must add: I keep those books very far up on the shelf and want so much to put them in the dustbin. I consider them to be very dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In my humble view there is nothing wrong at all with using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you did not mention it, but when it comes to trying to propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain material favors, commit misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about that kind of stuff. > > Beliefs of hinduism Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Namaskaar .... so you are engrossed with this term Siddhi? Perhaps that is the catch, DEVI's way [ via Swami Sivananda ]of trapping aspirants like yourself. Perhaps if you move yourself from this idea of gaining siddhis and really worship her because you really love her, maybe, then only maybe it may break you past karma. Have you ever thought of all these? Yes indeed I agree with all that you say and this is exactly what has dawned on me after years of worship. When you do good to another, must it always be rewarded? Will you be able to do something good to another without asking for anything in return? No not always and secondly as part of my sadhana I always try to do good to others without asking anything in return. This is my standard form of practice as devotion to Ma and Lord Shiva. Dhanyavaad Pandit Devindra Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for Amma implied as much. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > Len wrote: > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > permission to > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma > about this? Just curious... > > > ____ for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents./shelter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 I'm initiated as a Gardnerian High Priest and witch, so I have some familiarity with Western grimoires and books of magic. They have the same obessions with mastering ghosts and demons, and using magic for manipulative purposes. Have you ever seen the Lesser Key of Solomon? Bleagh! My teacher, Judy Harrow (she's written some instructive books, look her works up online) always insisted that magic be used responsibly, and emphasized that we were NOT to be manipulative of others, be they mortal or dwelling on the astral. Another reason why These Things should not be attempted without the guidance of a competant Guru. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote: > I also have that book plus its companion. But there > is something that I must add: I keep those books > very far up on the shelf and want so much to put > them in the dustbin. I consider them to be very > dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In > my humble view there is nothing wrong at all with > using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you > did not mention it, but when it comes to trying to > propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain > material favors, commit misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, > perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on > dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about > that kind of stuff. > > One of those 2 books DOES indeed go into depth about > that type of sadhana (BHAG. GITA - The ignorant > propitiate the ghosts). It gave me the creeps > reading it (i.e put rottem meat on roots of babhul > tree and answer call of nature on that spot & chant > mantra for x amount of time for x amount of days to > gain siddhi of some long armed ghost!). in my view > the temptations and chance of a mishap like letting > an evil genii out of a bottle is too great in the > KALI YUGA. I sincerely believe the average Joe > should'nt EVER read those 2 books because of the > temptation. > > Len, i agree his Roman transliteration is atrocious, > but his mantras in Hindi are meant just to be that: > in Hindi. There are a certain class of mantra in > India that are in the Prakrit languages and used > much by the common people. The name of those types > of mantras escape me just now. Maybe our respected > Panditji can shed light on what I am saying. > Actually, the Hanuman Chalisa, as powerful a mantra > as it is for keeping away malefic beings, is also > written and chanted in Hindi. > > Janardana Dasa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 " I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have still not attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma and I am still not sinless." Swami Sivananda says that one should perform Japa with one-pointed devotion and humility, specifically, "Do the Japa with feeling. You must have the same flow of love and respect in your heart at the time of thinking of or remembering His Name as you naturally may have in your heart at the time when you really see Him." Did those 'good ones' meet these requirement? , Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj> wrote: > Namaskaar > > I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months ! ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs). > > This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware of is this. > > I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have still not > attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma and I am still not sinless. > > My advice to you is to begin this practice as a means of doing exactly this. Siddhis if misused can actually bring further bad karma to you. When you are ready MA will let you know how and when to use these mantras safely. > > Dhanyavaad > Pandit Devindra Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 IMHO sakaama saadhana is always difficlt and the rules are strict. One mistake all effort goes to waste. whereas Nishkama sadhana always bears fruit. NMadasamy <nmadasamy wrote:--- In , Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj> wrote: > Namaskaar > > I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months ! ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs). > > This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware of is this. > > I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have still not > attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma and I am still not sinless. .... so you are engrossed with this term Siddhi? Perhaps that is the catch, DEVI's way [ via Swami Sivananda ]of trapping aspirants like yourself. Perhaps if you move yourself from this idea of gaining siddhis and really worship her because you really love her, maybe, then only maybe it may break you past karma. Have you ever thought of all these? When you do good to another, must it always be rewarded? Will you be able to do something good to another without asking for anything in return? Beliefs of hinduism Traditions Divine Hinduism Visit your group "" on the web. for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Is the word "priest" applicable to Amma's assistants, swamis, etc.? I ask b/c to me it implies a go-between that, frankly, may not be reliable. Better to get the info directly from Amma, if possible. , Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > > One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for > Amma implied as much. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > Len wrote: > > > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > > permission to > > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma > > about this? Just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > for Good > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert > http://advision.webevents./shelter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 I don't know of any "priests" there around Amma and what do you mean by "implied as much"? There is nothing regarding anything like you mention in the mantra instruction there. I've sat in on many and was even asked to give the instruction as well, but I already had other Seva obligations. - Len Rosenberg Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:08 AM Re: Important Questions on use of Mantras One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for Amma implied as much. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > Len wrote: > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > permission to > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma > about this? Just curious... > > > ____ for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents./shelter a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 There are no "priests" around Amma whatsoever. - Mary Ann Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:21 AM Re: Important Questions on use of Mantras Is the word "priest" applicable to Amma's assistants, swamis, etc.? I ask b/c to me it implies a go-between that, frankly, may not be reliable. Better to get the info directly from Amma, if possible. , Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > > One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for > Amma implied as much. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > Len wrote: > > > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > > permission to > > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma > > about this? Just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > for Good > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert > http://advision.webevents./shelter a.. Visit your group "" on the web. b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 By priests I mean the brahmacharyins who assist Amma to give darshan. What would YOU call them? I was told that most of Amma's mantras contain at least one bija syllable. I heard SOMEWHERE that mantra diksha empowers the practitioner to use bija mantras. Am I misinformed? Someone on this List was insisting that bija mantras are suitable for all beginners to access the Deities quickly and safely. I don't think so, but different people's mileage may vary... -- Len/ Kalipadma --- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > I don't know of any "priests" there around Amma and > what do you mean by "implied as much"? There is > nothing regarding anything like you mention in the > mantra instruction there. I've sat in on many and > was even asked to give the instruction as well, but > I already had other Seva obligations. > - > Len Rosenberg > > Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:08 AM > Re: Important Questions > on use of Mantras > > > > One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for > Amma implied as much. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > > > Len wrote: > > > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > > permission to > > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma > > about this? Just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > for Good > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm > concert > http://advision.webevents./shelter > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the > web. > > b.. To from this group, send an > email to: > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Namaskaar Len Mantra Diksha is the passing on of a piece of the gurus consciousness that is empowered with the mantra ( for a lack of a more elegant way of putting this ) If there is a bija mantra that resonates with the deity of the mantra or forms part of the mantra e.g Aum Aing Sarasvatyai namah, the bija is a part of the mantra and so the sadhak if given diksha would be empowered to use this Bija "Aing" not all bija mantras. What I suggested initally in my posts is called prana prathistha, what I actually suggested is the most basic and simplest form of doing this, for the full procedure consult Mantra MahoDadhi-Ram Kumar Rai. There is a whole chapter dedicated to the procedure. I did not recommend the use of the Bijas Gang and Hrim for sadhana purposes which is different as it is more prolonged and the effects are different. What I suggested is both safe and quick and I will maintain this. Pandit Devindra Maharaj I HAVE NOT HEARD OF A BJA MANTRA CALLED AING!! IS IT CHINESE OR JAPANESE?? NOR HAVE i HEARD ABOUT GANG. THE VERY FACT THAT BIJAS ARE QUOTE WRONGLY SHOWS A LACK OF UNERSTANDING OF THE CONEPTS OR PRACTICE. ANYWAY AS NORA SAID A GOOD INTERLUDE --- Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: > > By priests I mean the brahmacharyins who assist Amma > to give darshan. What would YOU call them? > > I was told that most of Amma's mantras contain at > least one bija syllable. I heard SOMEWHERE that > mantra diksha empowers the practitioner to use bija > mantras. Am I misinformed? > > Someone on this List was insisting that bija mantras > are suitable for all beginners to access the Deities > quickly and safely. I don't think so, but different > people's mileage may vary... > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > > > I don't know of any "priests" there around Amma > and > > what do you mean by "implied as much"? There is > > nothing regarding anything like you mention in the > > mantra instruction there. I've sat in on many and > > was even asked to give the instruction as well, > but > > I already had other Seva obligations. > > - > > Len Rosenberg > > > > Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:08 AM > > Re: Important > Questions > > on use of Mantras > > > > > > > > One of the priests who gave mantra instruction > for > > Amma implied as much. > > > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > > > > > Len wrote: > > > > > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > > > permission to > > > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > > > > > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask > Amma > > > about this? Just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > for Good > > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The > Storm > > concert > > http://advision.webevents./shelter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the > > web. > > > > b.. To from this group, send an > > email to: > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > ____ for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents./shelter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Swamis, Amma's assistants, her "disciples," whoever performs pujas - what is the proper title, "brahmacharyins" ? But "priests" to me evokes Catholicism. I think (you would know better than me) that it's also a term used in Goddess worship, but from what I have heard, there is a (in my view mistaken) over-emphasis on gender / gender roles in Goddess worship, so the titles "priest" and "priestess" seem part of that to me. , Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > > By priests I mean the brahmacharyins who assist Amma > to give darshan. What would YOU call them? > > I was told that most of Amma's mantras contain at > least one bija syllable. I heard SOMEWHERE that > mantra diksha empowers the practitioner to use bija > mantras. Am I misinformed? > > Someone on this List was insisting that bija mantras > are suitable for all beginners to access the Deities > quickly and safely. I don't think so, but different > people's mileage may vary... > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > I don't know of any "priests" there around Amma and > > what do you mean by "implied as much"? There is > > nothing regarding anything like you mention in the > > mantra instruction there. I've sat in on many and > > was even asked to give the instruction as well, but > > I already had other Seva obligations. > > - > > Len Rosenberg > > > > Sunday, September 11, 2005 5:08 AM > > Re: Important Questions > > on use of Mantras > > > > > > > > One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for > > Amma implied as much. > > > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > --- Mahamuni <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > > > > Len wrote: > > > > > > But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be > > > permission to > > > use Bija mantras in other prayers, too. > > > > > > > > > What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma > > > about this? Just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > for Good > > Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm > > concert > > http://advision.webevents./shelter > > > > > > > > > - ----------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the > > web. > > > > b.. To from this group, send an > > email to: > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > - ----------- > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Len, I have never heard that getting mantra diksha empowers you to use bija mantras. Neither Amma, nor anyone around Her states this to my knowledge. But it may be fine for you to use them. Don't know what you are trying to accomplish though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Hello, A few years back I saw book on tantric yoga,written and published by some Delhi based publishers. That book gave some mantras and corresponding yantras annd bija mantras for certain siddhis. But later I found that all those so called matras are the verses taken from soundaryalahiri,I do not remember the author mentioning its name or the name of Sankaracharya!.I have read Saunderyalahari but I don't know wether Sankaracharya gave any yantras along with those slokas. so there are so many books of tantra and mantra, But it is hard to make out which author is resercher and which author is remixer!.(after all remixing is a success formula these days). K H K , "just4amusement" <just4amusement> wrote: > " I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite > good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum > for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and > 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have > still not attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by > the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over > lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has > worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my > karma and I am still not sinless." > > > Swami Sivananda says that one should perform Japa with > one-pointed devotion and humility, specifically, "Do the Japa with > feeling. You must have the same flow of love and respect in your > heart at the time of thinking of or remembering His Name as you > naturally may have in your heart at the time when you really see > Him." > > Did those 'good ones' meet these requirement? > > > > > , Dev Maharaj > <dev_maharaj> wrote: > > Namaskaar > > > > I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is > Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to > further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for > curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a > mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months ! > ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs). > > > > This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years > now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws > in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware > of is this. > > > > I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite > good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum > for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and > 2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have > still not > > attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the > goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. > All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked > toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma > and I am still not sinless. > > > > My advice to you is to begin this practice as a means of doing > exactly this. Siddhis if misused can actually bring further bad > karma to you. When you are ready MA will let you know how and > when to use these mantras safely. > > > > Dhanyavaad > > Pandit Devindra Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 No its not prana pratishta - i already posted a comment on your practice it is unsound and dangerous cause it mixes devotional with tantric elements-you cannot devise your own procedures without understanding what is the reason for each step. Now some people where howling how bad it is to use shabar mantras or call upon pisacis or vetals etc. The danger is never in the spirits or deities the problem it is always the practicioner and the wrong procedures and lack of understanding of the how and why. Before you venture to use techniques like Pranapratishta you have to learn a lot of other basic meditaions and procedures, i could give an outline of the correct procedures but i don´t know why. It is not that i try to keep things secret or i am under some obligation not do so, but it makes no sense, it simply not useful to describe the technical details of a tool that you cannot use lacking the basics. What is the use of buying the manual and the keys of a new sports car putting the key on your altar and reciting from page one to the end everyday maybe even arguing about the correct pronounciation and asling yourself if the key should face up or down, without actually owning even a bycicle much less a car? > > What I suggested initally in my posts is called prana > prathistha, /shelter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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