Important Questions on use of Mantras

September 10, 2005

Hi I am Vikrant,

I recently came across a good book on use of tantra and mantra, the book is

"Practicals of mantras and tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri.

In this book are given many many mantras(and also tantra methods) to acheive

almost about any results.For every mantra that is written there is also

corresponding english translation for it.

Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and would like to know-

1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before one can actually start using

these mantras to achieve results.

2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be repeated/recited a 1008

times to achieve some result so in this case does one need to make sure that the

each and every word or syllable of the mantra is

spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every time the mantra is being

said/spoken/recited.

3)What could be the effect & result in case if the complete mantra(or just a

word or line in it) is not properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited

even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008 times in the above example.

4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the subject of tantra + mantra) find

a Good Genuine Guru who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce + vibrate

+ recite mantras correctly & effectively to achieve the desired results?

Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am new to the subject and i have

pondered upon these questions to which i feel I should get the answers before I

start using mantra to get results.

"OM NAMAH SHIVAH"

September 10, 2005

Namaskaar Vikrant

I would like to caution you about this book

specifically, whoever translated it appears to have a

Punjabi twang and apparently this carried over into

the book. I would recommend you try only the

Devanagari

readings and not the english.

Ideally you should be at least aware of the correct

pronounciation of Sanskrit. To vibrate mantras

incorrectly may cause you some unexpected results and

problems. To remedy this with all mantras I recommend

you use the following method Start it with Aum and End

it with Aum. This is supposed to correct the

deficiencies. However there are some mantras classed

as ARI Mantra (enemy) which will not only be

detrimental to you, it may cause you untold sufferings

first.

Always Worship Lord Ganesha first, before commencing

any Sadhana of these mantras, everytime !

I would also recommend you get a guru who is versed in

mantra vidya to teach you the many pitfalls.

And last thing always remember that everything comes

at a price, if you are expecting you will just recite

a few mantras and everything will work out as you want

it, think again.

As you are a Shaiva, try also worshipping

Dakshinamurti

Guru first this activate all mantras.

But you have to prepare yourself by much purification

to begin to use mantras, at the very least make sure

your meals are all vegetarian - no animal by-products

except milk,dadhi,ghee for at least three months prior

to starting.

I would be happy to teach you some things but I have

to find out your purpose first

Dhanyavaad

Pandit Devindra Maharaj

--- Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme wrote:

> Hi I am Vikrant,

>

> I recently came across a good book on use of tantra

> and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and

> tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri.

>

> In this book are given many many mantras(and also

> tantra methods) to acheive almost about any

> results.For every mantra that is written there is

> also corresponding english translation for it.

>

> Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and

> would like to know-

>

> 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before

> one can actually start using these mantras to

> achieve results.

>

> 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be

> repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result

> so in this case does one need to make sure that the

> each and every word or syllable of the mantra is

> spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every

> time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited.

>

> 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the

> complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not

> properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited

> even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008

> times in the above example.

>

> 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the

> subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru

> who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce +

> vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to

> achieve the desired results?

>

> Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am

> new to the subject and i have pondered upon these

> questions to which i feel I should get the answers

> before I start using mantra to get results.

>

> "OM NAMAH SHIVAH"

>

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September 10, 2005

I enjoy Dr. Chawdhri's books on astrology and Hindu

magic. The books (there are several of them) in the

"Practicals" series are very useful. I even had a

correspondence with Dr. Chawdhri for a while (he sold

empowered yantras and other religious items from his

office), but I think he has passed away a few years

ago.

But be aware that his material is sometimes flawed.

His spelling (both English language and Roman

transliteration) is often atrocious! He also

pronounces the mantras in modern Indian languages,

when they are meant to be pure Sanskrit. The

devanagari seems to be accurate more often (I think

one should be at least noddingly familiar with

Sanskrit letters and grammar before seriously

investigating the subject of mantra).

Where to find a Guru who will teach proper recitation

of mantras? It's a difficult question. My Guru,

Ammachi of Kerala, gives only ONE mantra to her

shishyas, and does not encourage experimentation. But

I consider her diksha (initiation) to be permission to

use Bija mantras in other prayers, too.

Hatha yoga centers will often teach their students the

best-known maha-mantras, like the Gayatri,

Mahamritunjaya, Hare Krishna, etc.

The Bengali holy woman, Shree Maa, with her

American-born partner, Swami Satyananda of the Devi

Mandir in Napa California, has a great variety of

recorded mantric information available on cassettes

and CDs. Look at their website on WWW.shreemaa.org

for examples.

I hope this will help.

-- Len/ Kalipadma

--- Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme wrote:

> Hi I am Vikrant,

>

> I recently came across a good book on use of tantra

> and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and

> tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri.

>

> In this book are given many many mantras(and also

> tantra methods) to acheive almost about any

> results.For every mantra that is written there is

> also corresponding english translation for it.

>

> Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and

> would like to know-

>

> 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before

> one can actually start using these mantras to

> achieve results.

>

> 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be

> repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result

> so in this case does one need to make sure that the

> each and every word or syllable of the mantra is

> spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every

> time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited.

>

> 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the

> complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not

> properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited

> even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008

> times in the above example.

>

> 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the

> subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru

> who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce +

> vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to

> achieve the desired results?

>

> Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am

> new to the subject and i have pondered upon these

> questions to which i feel I should get the answers

> before I start using mantra to get results.

>

> "OM NAMAH SHIVAH"

>

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September 10, 2005

Len wrote:

But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be permission to

use Bija mantras in other prayers, too.

What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma about this? Just curious...

September 10, 2005

I also have that book plus its companion. But there is something that I must

add: I keep those books very far up on the shelf and want so much to put them

in the dustbin. I consider them to be very dangerous lest they fall into the

wrong hands. In my humble view there is nothing wrong at all with using yantras

to propitiate the devas. I know you did not mention it, but when it comes to

trying to propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain material favors,

commit misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, perform tricks and such, one is indeed

treading on dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about that kind of

stuff.

One of those 2 books DOES indeed go into depth about that type of sadhana (BHAG.

GITA - The ignorant propitiate the ghosts). It gave me the creeps reading it

(i.e put rottem meat on roots of babhul tree and answer call of nature on that

spot & chant mantra for x amount of time for x amount of days to gain siddhi of

some long armed ghost!). in my view the temptations and chance of a mishap like

letting an evil genii out of a bottle is too great in the KALI YUGA. I

sincerely believe the average Joe should'nt EVER read those 2 books because of

the temptation.

Len, i agree his Roman transliteration is atrocious, but his mantras in Hindi

are meant just to be that: in Hindi. There are a certain class of mantra in

India that are in the Prakrit languages and used much by the common people. The

name of those types of mantras escape me just now. Maybe our respected Panditji

can shed light on what I am saying. Actually, the Hanuman Chalisa, as powerful

a mantra as it is for keeping away malefic beings, is also written and chanted

in Hindi.

Janardana Dasa

Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote:

I enjoy Dr. Chawdhri's books on astrology and Hindu

magic. The books (there are several of them) in the

"Practicals" series are very useful. I even had a

correspondence with Dr. Chawdhri for a while (he sold

empowered yantras and other religious items from his

office), but I think he has passed away a few years

ago.

But be aware that his material is sometimes flawed.

His spelling (both English language and Roman

transliteration) is often atrocious! He also

pronounces the mantras in modern Indian languages,

when they are meant to be pure Sanskrit. The

devanagari seems to be accurate more often (I think

one should be at least noddingly familiar with

Sanskrit letters and grammar before seriously

investigating the subject of mantra).

Where to find a Guru who will teach proper recitation

of mantras? It's a difficult question. My Guru,

Ammachi of Kerala, gives only ONE mantra to her

shishyas, and does not encourage experimentation. But

I consider her diksha (initiation) to be permission to

use Bija mantras in other prayers, too.

Hatha yoga centers will often teach their students the

best-known maha-mantras, like the Gayatri,

Mahamritunjaya, Hare Krishna, etc.

The Bengali holy woman, Shree Maa, with her

American-born partner, Swami Satyananda of the Devi

Mandir in Napa California, has a great variety of

recorded mantric information available on cassettes

and CDs. Look at their website on WWW.shreemaa.org

for examples.

I hope this will help.

-- Len/ Kalipadma

--- Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme wrote:

> Hi I am Vikrant,

>

> I recently came across a good book on use of tantra

> and mantra, the book is "Practicals of mantras and

> tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri.

>

> In this book are given many many mantras(and also

> tantra methods) to acheive almost about any

> results.For every mantra that is written there is

> also corresponding english translation for it.

>

> Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and

> would like to know-

>

> 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before

> one can actually start using these mantras to

> achieve results.

>

> 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be

> repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result

> so in this case does one need to make sure that the

> each and every word or syllable of the mantra is

> spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every

> time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited.

>

> 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the

> complete mantra(or just a word or line in it) is not

> properly spelled + Pronounced + vibrated + recited

> even for one or two or just 3 times out of the 1008

> times in the above example.

>

> 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the

> subject of tantra + mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru

> who can indeed teach him how to spell + Pronounce +

> vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively to

> achieve the desired results?

>

> Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am

> new to the subject and i have pondered upon these

> questions to which i feel I should get the answers

> before I start using mantra to get results.

>

> "OM NAMAH SHIVAH"

>

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Hi Vikrant:

This book should be for general info only. It has so many mistakes

and typos that, you cannot use anything from this book. If the

subject interests you, I recommend that you get Ram Kumar Rai's

translations on the tantras which are first rate and I have not seen

any typos in his books at all (which is rare for most Indian books).

At least you can read most of the sadhanas and commentaries from the

source.

The best book IMO is Swami Sivananda's Japa yoga. This book is very

subtle and on the face of it may seem like an elementary book, but

not so. If you do not get any results out of simple mantras(such as

those outlined in the Japa yoga book), then you will probably not

benefit from more advanced mantras... also important to stick to one

mantra alone for a beginner. My 2c.

Best wishes,

-yogaman

, Vikrant <trevor_2_rhyme>

wrote:

> Hi I am Vikrant,

>

> I recently came across a good book on use of tantra and mantra, the

book is "Practicals of mantras and tantras" by Dr.L.R.Chawdri.

>

> In this book are given many many mantras(and also tantra methods)

to acheive almost about any results.For every mantra that is written

there is also corresponding english translation for it.

>

> Now I have some seriouse questions in my mind and would like to

know-

>

> 1)Does one really need to know good sanskrit before one can

actually start using these mantras to achieve results.

>

> 2)Also for example if a particular mantra has to be

repeated/recited a 1008 times to achieve some result so in this case

does one need to make sure that the each and every word or syllable

of the mantra is spelled+Pronounced+vibrated+recited correctly every

time the mantra is being said/spoken/recited.

>

> 3)What could be the effect & result in case if the complete mantra

(or just a word or line in it) is not properly spelled + Pronounced +

vibrated + recited even for one or two or just 3 times out of the

1008 times in the above example.

>

> 4)Finally where can a person(who is new to the subject of tantra +

mantra) find a Good Genuine Guru who can indeed teach him how to

spell + Pronounce + vibrate + recite mantras correctly & effectively

to achieve the desired results?

>

> Please help me learning tantra and mantra as I am new to the

subject and i have pondered upon these questions to which i feel I

should get the answers before I start using mantra to get results.

>

> "OM NAMAH SHIVAH"

September 11, 2005

childofdevi wrote: This book should be for general info only. It has

so many mistakes and typos that, you cannot use anything from this

book. If the subject interests you, I recommend that you get Ram

Kumar Rai's translations on the tantras which are first rate and I

have not seen any typos in his books at all (which is rare for most

Indian books). At least you can read most of the sadhanas and

commentaries from the source.

Listen to Childofdevi important advise. Also if you do have further

enquires abt mantras, you can either send an email to -

owner.

You questions will reach our two shakta guru here in the group. They

are here with us, reading every messages that comes to our group.

Silence but not necessary they are not aware what is happening. And

they will communicate with you privately. That is one of their

qualities, they do not go around advertising themselves here in the

group looking for disciples.

-owner

September 11, 2005

Namaskaar

I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is Mantra Mahodadhi

- 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to further caution you, if you think the

practice of mantras are for curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one

occasion ativated a mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three

months ! ( Ok fellows, have a few laughs).

This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years now and just

about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws in a new twist for me.

One of the things I want to make you aware of is this.

I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good and became

engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000 times I would gain the

siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million recitations (only the good ones being

counted) I have still not

attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the goodly MA is I

don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All of what I have done has

not gone for naught but has worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury

aspects of my karma and I am still not sinless.

My advice to you is to begin this practice as a means of doing exactly this.

Siddhis if misused can actually bring further bad karma to you. When you are

ready MA will let you know how and when to use these mantras safely.

Dhanyavaad

Pandit Devindra Maharaj

September 11, 2005

Namaskaar

Well I am not sure of the exact context of what you mean but I think that you

may refer to Arsha Sanskrit

I will venture to suggest the following Dharanis-are possibly the class of

mantras. Shabari Mantras are also quite archaic in form.

Aghori Mantras are also archaic and spoken in quite harsh terms

Not too sure if these are what are referred but maybe you can give me some more

to work with if these a not it.

Dhanyavaad

Pandit Devindra Maharaj

--- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote:

> I also have that book plus its companion. But there is something that I must

add: I keep those books very far up on the shelf and want so much to put them

in the dustbin. I consider them to be very

dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In my humble view there is

nothing wrong at all with using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you did

not mention it, but when it comes to trying to

propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain material favors, commit

misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on

dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about

that kind of stuff.

>

September 11, 2005

, Dev Maharaj

<dev_maharaj> wrote:

> Namaskaar

>

> I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is

Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to further

caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for

curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a

mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months ! ( Ok

fellows, have a few laughs).

>

> This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years

now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma

throws in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you

aware of is this.

>

> I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite good

and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum for 125,000

times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and 2 million

recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have still not

> attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the

goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes. All

of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked toward

clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma and I am still

not sinless.

.... so you are engrossed with this term Siddhi? Perhaps that is the

catch, DEVI's way [ via Swami Sivananda ]of trapping aspirants like

yourself. Perhaps if you move yourself from this idea of gaining

siddhis and really worship her because you really love her, maybe,

then only maybe it may break you past karma. Have you ever thought

of all these?

When you do good to another, must it always be rewarded? Will you be

able to do something good to another without asking for anything in

return?

September 11, 2005

shabari and or aghori mantras sound about right panditji....

Dev Maharaj <dev_maharaj wrote:

Namaskaar

Well I am not sure of the exact context of what you mean but I think that you

may refer to Arsha Sanskrit

I will venture to suggest the following Dharanis-are possibly the class of

mantras. Shabari Mantras are also quite archaic in form.

Aghori Mantras are also archaic and spoken in quite harsh terms

Not too sure if these are what are referred but maybe you can give me some more

to work with if these a not it.

Dhanyavaad

Pandit Devindra Maharaj

--- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote:

> I also have that book plus its companion. But there is something that I must

add: I keep those books very far up on the shelf and want so much to put them

in the dustbin. I consider them to be very

dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In my humble view there is

nothing wrong at all with using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you did

not mention it, but when it comes to trying to

propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain material favors, commit

misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN, perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on

dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about

that kind of stuff.

>

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Namaskaar

.... so you are engrossed with this term Siddhi? Perhaps that is the catch,

DEVI's way [ via Swami Sivananda ]of trapping aspirants like yourself. Perhaps

if you move yourself from this idea of gaining

siddhis and really worship her because you really love her, maybe, then only

maybe it may break you past karma. Have you ever thought of all these?

Yes indeed I agree with all that you say and this is exactly what has dawned on

me after years of worship.

When you do good to another, must it always be rewarded? Will you be able to do

something good to another without asking for anything in return?

No not always and secondly as part of my sadhana I always try to do good to

others without asking anything in return. This is my standard form of practice

as devotion to Ma and Lord Shiva.

Dhanyavaad

Pandit Devindra Maharaj

September 11, 2005

One of the priests who gave mantra instruction for

Amma implied as much.

-- Len/ Kalipadma

--- Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote:

> Len wrote:

>

> But I consider her diksha (initiation) to be

> permission to

> use Bija mantras in other prayers, too.

>

> What makes you feel this way? Did you ask Amma

> about this? Just curious...

>

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I'm initiated as a Gardnerian High Priest and witch,

so I have some familiarity with Western grimoires and

books of magic. They have the same obessions with

mastering ghosts and demons, and using magic for

manipulative purposes. Have you ever seen the Lesser

Key of Solomon? Bleagh!

My teacher, Judy Harrow (she's written some

instructive books, look her works up online) always

insisted that magic be used responsibly, and

emphasized that we were NOT to be manipulative of

others, be they mortal or dwelling on the astral.

Another reason why These Things should not be

attempted without the guidance of a competant Guru.

-- Len/ Kalipadma

--- Janardana Dasa <lightdweller wrote:

> I also have that book plus its companion. But there

> is something that I must add: I keep those books

> very far up on the shelf and want so much to put

> them in the dustbin. I consider them to be very

> dangerous lest they fall into the wrong hands. In

> my humble view there is nothing wrong at all with

> using yantras to propitiate the devas. I know you

> did not mention it, but when it comes to trying to

> propitiate ghosts and disembodied beings to gain

> material favors, commit misdeeds, use VASHI KARAN,

> perform tricks and such, one is indeed treading on

> dangerous ground. His books speak heavily about

> that kind of stuff.

>

> One of those 2 books DOES indeed go into depth about

> that type of sadhana (BHAG. GITA - The ignorant

> propitiate the ghosts). It gave me the creeps

> reading it (i.e put rottem meat on roots of babhul

> tree and answer call of nature on that spot & chant

> mantra for x amount of time for x amount of days to

> gain siddhi of some long armed ghost!). in my view

> the temptations and chance of a mishap like letting

> an evil genii out of a bottle is too great in the

> KALI YUGA. I sincerely believe the average Joe

> should'nt EVER read those 2 books because of the

> temptation.

>

> Len, i agree his Roman transliteration is atrocious,

> but his mantras in Hindi are meant just to be that:

> in Hindi. There are a certain class of mantra in

> India that are in the Prakrit languages and used

> much by the common people. The name of those types

> of mantras escape me just now. Maybe our respected

> Panditji can shed light on what I am saying.

> Actually, the Hanuman Chalisa, as powerful a mantra

> as it is for keeping away malefic beings, is also

> written and chanted in Hindi.

>

> Janardana Dasa

>

September 11, 2005

" I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite

good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum

for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and

2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have

still not attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by

the goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over

lifetimes. All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has

worked toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my

karma and I am still not sinless."

Swami Sivananda says that one should perform Japa with

one-pointed devotion and humility, specifically, "Do the Japa with

feeling. You must have the same flow of love and respect in your

heart at the time of thinking of or remembering His Name as you

naturally may have in your heart at the time when you really see

Him."

Did those 'good ones' meet these requirement?

, Dev Maharaj

<dev_maharaj> wrote:

> Namaskaar

>

> I agree with this opinion, the name of the text specifically is

Mantra Mahodadhi - 2 Vols excellent material. But I want to

further caution you, if you think the practice of mantras are for

curiosities, better rethink this. I have on one occasion ativated a

mantra and was not too mentally stable for about three months !

( Ok fellows, have a few laughs).

>

> This requires serious discipline, I have practiced for 16 years

now and just about every time I think I got it just right , Ma throws

in a new twist for me. One of the things I want to make you aware

of is this.

>

> I read swami Sivananda's book Japa Yoga which is also quite

good and became engrossed with the idea that if I recited Aum

for 125,000 times I would gain the siddhi of it. 16 years later and

2 million recitations (only the good ones being counted) I have

still not

> attained siddhi. What I was quite sharply reminded of by the

goodly MA is I don't know how sinful I have been over lifetimes.

All of what I have done has not gone for naught but has worked

toward clearing up some very unsavoury aspects of my karma

and I am still not sinless.

>

> My advice to you is to begin this practice as a means of doing

exactly this. Siddhis if misused can actually bring further bad

karma to you. When you are ready MA will let you know how and

when to use these mantras safely.

>

> Dhanyavaad

> Pandit Devindra Maharaj

September 11, 2005

IMHO sakaama saadhana is always difficlt and the rules are strict. One mistake

all effort goes to waste. whereas Nishkama sadhana always bears fruit.

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