Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Namaste, Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" to me and tell me if it has any direct reference to the divine feminine, particularly to the person of Radha? Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. Blessings, prainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've already seen it and are looking for more depth: "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, Krishna, and Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra. The chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to give protection to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly like the genuine cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother Hara helps the devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra sincerely. "The transcendental vibration established by the chanting of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for reviving our transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual souls, we are all originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness is now adulterated by the material atmosphere. "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy of Supreme Lord, and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of addressing the Supreme Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the supreme pleasure." Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, changed to Hare in the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the Lord helps us to reach the Lord." , "prainbow61" <paulie- rainbow@u...> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" to me and tell me if it has any direct > reference to the divine feminine, particularly to the person of Radha? > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > Blessings, > > prainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 > Mother Hara helps the >devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace Never saw this before. I thought Hari was one of the names of Vishnu? and Hara of Shiva? This sounds like Mary interceding for sinners in Catholicism... -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Namaste, I had never heard of that before either, nor can I find an authority to back it up, that's why I asked. I feel that I still have my doubts about the translation because I'm really unfamiliar with the terms. thanks. pr , Max Dashu <maxdashu@l...> wrote: > > Mother Hara helps the > >devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace > > Never saw this before. I thought Hari was one of the names of Vishnu? > and Hara of Shiva? > > This sounds like Mary interceding for sinners in Catholicism... > -- > Max Dashu > Suppressed Histories Archives > Global Women's History > http://www.suppressedhistories.net > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Namaste, hara or hari means: bearing, wearing, taking, destroying, bringing, receiving, obtaining, ravishing, or captivating. hara is the Seizer or Destroyer, the Divisor and Division, the Fire, and the Horse. hAra similarly means: bearing or stealing, raising or ravishing, charming or delighting. hAra is Removal, Loss, War, and Division; and hAra is a Garland (especially of Pearls). hArI is a Pearl, and hArI is a Maiden unfit for marriage. hAri is both a Caravan and a Losing Game. hari means: yellowish or greenish, reddish or brownish, tawny or bay. hari is a Horse or a Lion, a Monkey or a Jackal, a Parrot or Peacock, a Koil or a Goose, a Serpent or a Frog, Fire, the Sun, the Moon, a Ray of Light, or the Wind. hari is a name for: Brahma, Yama, Shiva, Shukra, Vishnu, and various Heros, Saints, Rakshasas, and Danavas, and (generally) a large Number of anything. harI is the Mother of all Monkeys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Namaste, That must be one big monkey. lol. Seriously, it seems like the same word can have a lot of meanings dependent upon context. But no where do I see it meaning Goddess or Radha. Am I missing anything? Thanks and Blessings, prainbow , "Sarabhanga Giri" <sarabhanga> wrote: > > Namaste, > > hara or hari means: bearing, wearing, taking, destroying, bringing, > receiving, obtaining, ravishing, or captivating. > > hara is the Seizer or Destroyer, the Divisor and Division, the Fire, > and the Horse. > > hAra similarly means: bearing or stealing, raising or ravishing, > charming or delighting. > > hAra is Removal, Loss, War, and Division; and hAra is a Garland > (especially of Pearls). > > hArI is a Pearl, and hArI is a Maiden unfit for marriage. > > hAri is both a Caravan and a Losing Game. > > hari means: yellowish or greenish, reddish or brownish, tawny or bay. > > hari is a Horse or a Lion, a Monkey or a Jackal, a Parrot or Peacock, > a Koil or a Goose, a Serpent or a Frog, Fire, the Sun, the Moon, a > Ray of Light, or the Wind. > > hari is a name for: Brahma, Yama, Shiva, Shukra, Vishnu, and various > Heros, Saints, Rakshasas, and Danavas, and (generally) a large Number > of anything. > > harI is the Mother of all Monkeys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Vishnu is frequently called "Hari," the Attractor. The Vaishnava Saint Chaitanya changed the ending to "Hare" for use in the Vaishnava maha-mantra. Shiva has a similar title, "Hara," meaning the Scatterer. Vishnu is centripetal force, Shiva is centrifugal force, and Shakti is the oscillation between the two. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote: > > Namaste, > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" > to me and tell me if it has any direct > reference to the divine feminine, particularly to > the person of Radha? > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > Blessings, > > prainbow > > > > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Originally, the maha-mantra began with "Hare Rama" (since Rama is the older, seventh avatar of Vishnu). I believe Prabhupada reversed the order, to put his chosen deity, Krishna, first. -- Len/ Kalipadma <who has been known to chant "Radhe Krishna, Radhe Krishna..."> --- Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've > already seen it and > are looking for more depth: > > > "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, > Krishna, and > Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the > maha-mantra. The chanting > is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to > give protection > to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly > like the genuine > cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother > Hara helps the > devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the > Lord reveals > Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra > sincerely. "The > transcendental vibration established by the chanting > of Hare > Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ > Hare Rama, Hare > Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for > reviving our > transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual > souls, we are all > originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to > our association > with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness > is now > adulterated by the material atmosphere. > > > "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy > of Supreme Lord, > and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of > addressing the Supreme > Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the > supreme pleasure." > Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, > changed to Hare in > the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the > Lord helps us to > reach the Lord." > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie- > rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" > to me and tell > me if it has any direct > > reference to the divine feminine, particularly to > the person of > Radha? > > > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > > > Blessings, > > > > prainbow > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 "Nowhere do I see it meaning Goddess or Radha. Am I missing anything?" Who is the ultimate ravishingly charming bearer of all delights? Which ray of light steals the heart and delivers increase? And who is the ancient Mother of Hanuman's own race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 I am sorry if I sound sanctimonious. each sanskrit word has myrids of meanings with shades thereof depending on the context and the associations. Merely extrapolating with similar sounding words is not the proper way to interpret words. It is this sort of extrapolations that has given rise to so many mistakes. In this context Hare is "I bow to" or "I surrender to". Period. prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote: Namaste, That must be one big monkey. lol. Seriously, it seems like the same word can have a lot of meanings dependent upon context. But no where do I see it meaning Goddess or Radha. Am I missing anything? Thanks and Blessings, prainbow , "Sarabhanga Giri" <sarabhanga> wrote: > > Namaste, > > hara or hari means: bearing, wearing, taking, destroying, bringing, > receiving, obtaining, ravishing, or captivating. > > hara is the Seizer or Destroyer, the Divisor and Division, the Fire, > and the Horse. > > hAra similarly means: bearing or stealing, raising or ravishing, > charming or delighting. > > hAra is Removal, Loss, War, and Division; and hAra is a Garland > (especially of Pearls). > > hArI is a Pearl, and hArI is a Maiden unfit for marriage. > > hAri is both a Caravan and a Losing Game. > > hari means: yellowish or greenish, reddish or brownish, tawny or bay. > > hari is a Horse or a Lion, a Monkey or a Jackal, a Parrot or Peacock, > a Koil or a Goose, a Serpent or a Frog, Fire, the Sun, the Moon, a > Ray of Light, or the Wind. > > hari is a name for: Brahma, Yama, Shiva, Shukra, Vishnu, and various > Heros, Saints, Rakshasas, and Danavas, and (generally) a large Number > of anything. > > harI is the Mother of all Monkeys! / Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 I am sorry Len the Viashnava Maha Mantra has been in existence for aeons before Chaitanya's advent. He only popularised it. Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: Vishnu is frequently called "Hari," the Attractor. The Vaishnava Saint Chaitanya changed the ending to "Hare" for use in the Vaishnava maha-mantra. Shiva has a similar title, "Hara," meaning the Scatterer. Vishnu is centripetal force, Shiva is centrifugal force, and Shakti is the oscillation between the two. -- Len/ Kalipadma --- prainbow61 wrote: > > Namaste, > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" > to me and tell me if it has any direct > reference to the divine feminine, particularly to > the person of Radha? > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > Blessings, > > prainbow > > > > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 chaitanya or prabhupada DID NOT create any mantras; they only used existing mantras. Please, do not assume that a mantra in one format as exponded by someone, just because one has not seen one version earlier, that he/she is the progenitor. Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: Originally, the maha-mantra began with "Hare Rama" (since Rama is the older, seventh avatar of Vishnu). I believe Prabhupada reversed the order, to put his chosen deity, Krishna, first. -- Len/ Kalipadma <who has been known to chant "Radhe Krishna, Radhe Krishna..."> --- Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've > already seen it and > are looking for more depth: > > > "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, > Krishna, and > Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the > maha-mantra. The chanting > is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to > give protection > to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly > like the genuine > cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother > Hara helps the > devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the > Lord reveals > Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra > sincerely. "The > transcendental vibration established by the chanting > of Hare > Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ > Hare Rama, Hare > Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for > reviving our > transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual > souls, we are all > originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to > our association > with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness > is now > adulterated by the material atmosphere. > > > "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy > of Supreme Lord, > and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of > addressing the Supreme > Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the > supreme pleasure." > Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, > changed to Hare in > the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the > Lord helps us to > reach the Lord." > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie- > rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" > to me and tell > me if it has any direct > > reference to the divine feminine, particularly to > the person of > Radha? > > > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > > > Blessings, > > > > prainbow > > > > / Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Dear Kochu: Namaste to you. Do you agree with Prabhupada's representations of the meaning of "Hare" ? Mary Ann , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > chaitanya or prabhupada DID NOT create any mantras; they only used existing mantras. Please, do not assume that a mantra in one format as exponded by someone, just because one has not seen one version earlier, that he/she is the progenitor. > > Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108> wrote: > Originally, the maha-mantra began with "Hare Rama" > (since Rama is the older, seventh avatar of Vishnu). > I believe Prabhupada reversed the order, to put his > chosen deity, Krishna, first. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > <who has been known to chant "Radhe Krishna, Radhe > Krishna..."> > > > --- Mary Ann <buttercookie61> wrote: > > > > > I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've > > already seen it and > > are looking for more depth: > > > > > > "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare > > > > Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > > > > Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, > > Krishna, and > > Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the > > maha-mantra. The chanting > > is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to > > give protection > > to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly > > like the genuine > > cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother > > Hara helps the > > devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the > > Lord reveals > > Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra > > sincerely. "The > > transcendental vibration established by the chanting > > of Hare > > Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ > > Hare Rama, Hare > > Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for > > reviving our > > transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual > > souls, we are all > > originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to > > our association > > with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness > > is now > > adulterated by the material atmosphere. > > > > > > "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy > > of Supreme Lord, > > and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of > > addressing the Supreme > > Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the > > supreme pleasure." > > Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, > > changed to Hare in > > the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the > > Lord helps us to > > reach the Lord." > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > > <paulie- > > rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" > > to me and tell > > me if it has any direct > > > reference to the divine feminine, particularly to > > the person of > > Radha? > > > > > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > prainbow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 There are meanings and meanings. Who am i to deny or assert one is true and another is not? For each according to his development. I will not criticize Prabhupada because he was, IMHO, realised. He expounded one meaning. That is all. Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: Dear Kochu: Namaste to you. Do you agree with Prabhupada's representations of the meaning of "Hare" ? Mary Ann , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: chaitanya or prabhupada DID NOT create any mantras; they only used existing mantras. Please, do not assume that a mantra in one format as exponded by someone, just because one has not seen one version earlier, that he/she is the progenitor. Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: Originally, the maha-mantra began with "Hare Rama" (since Rama is the older, seventh avatar of Vishnu). I believe Prabhupada reversed the order, to put his chosen deity, Krishna, first. -- Len/ Kalipadma <who has been known to chant "Radhe Krishna, Radhe Krishna..." --- Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've already seen it and are looking for more depth: "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, Krishna, and Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra. The chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to give protection to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly like the genuine cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother Hara helps the devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra sincerely. "The transcendental vibration established by the chanting of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for reviving our transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual souls, we are all originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness is now adulterated by the material atmosphere. "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy of Supreme Lord, and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of addressing the Supreme Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the supreme pleasure." Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, changed to Hare in the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the Lord helps us to reach the Lord." , "prainbow61" <paulie- rainbow@u... wrote: Namaste, Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" to me and tell me if it has any direct reference to the divine feminine, particularly to the person of Radha? Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. Blessings, prainbow Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Hi Kochu: Ok, I just wanted some clarification from someone on-list whom I know knows more than I do about Sanskrit, mantras, etc. You had said in a previous post: "In this context Hare is "I bow to" or "I surrender to". Period." And that is different from what Prabhupada said, to my understanding. Thanks for the reply. , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > There are meanings and meanings. Who am i to deny or assert one is true and another is not? For each according to his development. I will not criticize Prabhupada because he was, IMHO, realised. He expounded one meaning. That is all. > > > > Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > > Dear Kochu: > > Namaste to you. > > Do you agree with Prabhupada's representations of the meaning of "Hare" ? > > Mary Ann > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: > > chaitanya or prabhupada DID NOT create any mantras; they only used existing mantras. Please, do not assume that a mantra in one format as exponded by someone, just because one has not seen one version earlier, that he/she is the progenitor. > > Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: > Originally, the maha-mantra began with "Hare Rama" (since Rama is the older, seventh avatar of Vishnu). I believe Prabhupada reversed the order, to put his chosen deity, Krishna, first. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > <who has been known to chant "Radhe Krishna, Radhe > Krishna..." > > > --- Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > > I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've already seen it and are looking for more depth: > > > "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, Krishna, and Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra. The chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to give protection to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly like the genuine cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother Hara helps the devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra sincerely. "The transcendental vibration established by the chanting of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for reviving our transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual souls, we are all originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness is now adulterated by the material atmosphere. > > > "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy of Supreme Lord, and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of addressing the Supreme Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the supreme pleasure." > Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, changed to Hare in the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the > Lord helps us to reach the Lord." > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie- rainbow@u... wrote: > > Namaste, > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" to me and tell me if it has any direct reference to the divine feminine, particularly to the person of Radha? > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > Blessings, > > prainbow > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Namaste, "Hare Krishna" certainly bears the name of the Lord, and brings the Lord; and the one who pronounces it certainly receives the Lord, and obtains that which the Lord wears as his own; and Lord Hari is certainly ravishing, and his devotees are ravished and captivated by his charms and delights; and he steals away their hearts and raises their spirits; and Lord Krishna is a dark pearl that no one, except that one who lives only for him (and indeed becomes him), may possess, but which all desire. Hara or Hari is both giving and taking, profit and loss, both the sacred fire and the sacrificial horse, both the splendid diversity of manifestation and the all- surpassing unity of divine abstraction; so that Hari is ALL colours combined into a pure white ray of light, and Hari travels as the wind, as the inspiration of every sacred animal, as the Hamsa, as the Naga, as the vehicle of all the great deities, bearing Surya, and Durga, and Hanuman, and Bhairava, and Rudra, and Skanda, all equally to ultimate glory; and the Lord truly is BOTH sides in every conflict, AND the battle itself, AND its ultimate resolution! And Hari is certainly an enormous number, and simultaneously Hari is the one true source and sole commander of ALL of those forces. Hare surely carries a lot more meaning and sublime intention than just a simple salutation. If it looks like a duck, and it sounds like a duck, then most likely it IS a duck! Harahara Mahadeva! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 what is bowing? is it not invocation. One does not bow simply for the pleasure of it; one recognises the superiority of the object bowed to and invokes his/her/its blessing. Bowing results in the flow of higher energy to lower. the object bowed to is at a higher energy level and the bower is the lower evergy level. so energy in the form of blessing flows. Is that not what Prabhupada meant by "The chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to give protection to the conditioned soul."? I dunno, maybe I am mistaken. Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: Hi Kochu: Ok, I just wanted some clarification from someone on-list whom I know knows more than I do about Sanskrit, mantras, etc. You had said in a previous post: "In this context Hare is "I bow to" or "I surrender to". Period." And that is different from what Prabhupada said, to my understanding. Thanks for the reply. , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > There are meanings and meanings. Who am i to deny or assert one is true and another is not? For each according to his development. I will not criticize Prabhupada because he was, IMHO, realised. He expounded one meaning. That is all. > > > > Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > > Dear Kochu: > > Namaste to you. > > Do you agree with Prabhupada's representations of the meaning of "Hare" ? > > Mary Ann > > , sankara menon <kochu1tz > wrote: > > chaitanya or prabhupada DID NOT create any mantras; they only used existing mantras. Please, do not assume that a mantra in one format as exponded by someone, just because one has not seen one version earlier, that he/she is the progenitor. > > Len Rosenberg <kalipadma108 wrote: > Originally, the maha-mantra began with "Hare Rama" (since Rama is the older, seventh avatar of Vishnu). I believe Prabhupada reversed the order, to put his chosen deity, Krishna, first. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > <who has been known to chant "Radhe Krishna, Radhe Krishna..." > > > --- Mary Ann <buttercookie61 wrote: > > > I found this at Krishna.com, but maybe you've already seen it and are looking for more depth: > > > "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare > > > Srila Prabhupada: "These three words, namely Hare, Krishna, and Rama, are the transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra. The chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His energy to give protection to the conditioned soul. This chanting is exactly like the genuine cry of a child for its mother's presence. Mother Hara helps the devotee achieve the Lord Father's grace, and the Lord reveals Himself to the devotee who chants this mantra sincerely. "The transcendental vibration established by the chanting of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the sublime method for reviving our transcendental consciousness. As living spiritual souls, we are all originally Krishna conscious entities, but due to our association with matter from time immemorial, our consciousness is now adulterated by the material atmosphere. > > > "The word Hara is the form of addressing the energy of Supreme Lord, and the words Krishna and Rama are forms of addressing the Supreme Lord Himself. Both Krishna and Rama mean "the supreme pleasure." > Hara is the supreme pleasure energy of the Lord, changed to Hare in the vocative. The supreme pleasure energy of the > Lord helps us to reach the Lord." > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie- rainbow@u... wrote: > > Namaste, > > Could someone please explain the meaning of "Hare" to me and tell me if it has any direct reference to the divine feminine, particularly to the person of Radha? > > Forgive me if I'm misspelling or offending. > > Blessings, > > prainbow > > > > > Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' > > Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada / Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Dear Ann, Prabhupada"s representations are the best with lot of the quotations from authoritative scriptures.In the service of Krishna. vibhooshan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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