Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Ok, I cringe at the thought of another four years of Bush. I nver liked the man. I never got over it. He's an idiot. I'm an American and I know I did not vote for Bush but I know some who did. They are not idiots. They are not happy with the options. No, I do not agree with their choices, but why is everyone so self righteous about America? We're not perfect like any country. Every country has it's share of troubles. Every country has had it's share of stupid leaders. I'm surprised Any body Wants to lead Any country, let alone America, in this day and age, would YOU want the job. America's not perfect. She makes mistakes. She's growing and learning like everyone on the planet. I live here and I can see some of her glaring flaws. Americans are good people. They care about people in the world -- most of them. They work hard. Ok, I have some gripes about the way things are, but let's face it, maybe having Bush for president will give the rest of the world the opportunity to see America for who she is and what she is -- just humans like the rest of the world. You think America is alone in being populated with racist, classist, people? Every country has those who are rude and those who are generous and understanding. Every country has somebody who will torch his wife, or cut her body up and bury it in the backyard. America is just people -- I don't know why we have so much money in America, cuz I SHURE DON'T HAVE ANY OF IT and i'm not even trying to get some of it. I know some of the people who voted for Bush and I don't agree with that choice but some of the people I know who did are some of the finest people I know. They don't agree with the war in Iraq and think it is a stupid war, but now that it's happened they just don't trust Kerry or maybe they think Bush deserves to have to clean up the mess himself, and MAYBE HE DOES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 America is hell cosmic force will strike soon natual calamity is going to happen cosmic communication received during meditation namasivayam --- SophiasHeaven wrote: > Ok, I cringe at the thought of another four > years of Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2004 Report Share Posted November 6, 2004 Namaste, namasivayam if you are as enlightened as you put yourself out to be. you would know that all is siva's will and that siva exsists within all that exsists and that siva is indeed the atom within the atom! as siva is also within George W Bush, as siva is also within you and me and everyone else and everything else. and we should try to remember that there is NO intrinsic Evil for all is good and all is siva's will! Aum Namah Sivaya! Ardan p.s. George W Bush is just as much a child of Devi as you or I or anyone else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 In a message dated 11/7/2004 9:55:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, skud_13 writes: p.s. George W Bush is just as much a child of Devi as you or I or anyone else! All is part of the same creation sure, but you cannot take this idea too far and say that everything should be tolerated and injustices should not be fought against. Devi makes lions and posionous serpents, but I certainly do not want to play with them! There may be no "intinisic" absolute good or evil in this world, but in the relative sense for each individual there are things that would appear to be as such. Things that would harm you in any way, or keep you from following your own Dharma would be evil to you, the things that help you along could be seen as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Dear Ardan, Thank you very much. In Tamil Language we say " Avananri oor anuvum asiyathu" Meaning: Without his wish no autom can move. you are exactly correct. namasivayam --- Skud Thirteen <skud_13 wrote: > > Namaste, > namasivayam if you are as enlightened as you put > yourself out to be. you would know that all is > siva's will and that siva exsists within all that > exsists and that siva is indeed the atom within the > atom! as siva is also within George W Bush, as siva > is also within you and me and everyone else and > everything else. and we should try to remember that > there is NO intrinsic Evil for all is good and all > is siva's will! Aum Namah Sivaya! > > Ardan > > p.s. George W Bush is just as much a child of Devi > as you or I or anyone else! > > > > > > > > Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Hello SophiasHeaven, > Americans are good people. > They care about people in the world -- most of them. > They work hard. > I know some of the people who voted for Bush and I don't agree with that > choice but some of the people I know who did are some of the finest people I > know. Yes, I'm sure that is true. As the Devi Mahatmya says, the worshipful power called shakti is sarvabhuteshu -- present in all beings, including Republicans. Do you think it might be equally true that there are good, caring, hardworking people in every country, and of every political persuasion? Including Iraqi nationalists who object to the American presence in their country? Om Shantih, Colin , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > Ok, I cringe at the thought of another four years of Bush. > I nver liked the man. I never got over it. He's an idiot. > I'm an American and I know I did not vote for Bush but I know some who > did. > They are not idiots. They are not happy with the options. No, I do > not agree with their choices, but why is everyone so self righteous about > America? > We're not perfect like any country. > Every country has it's share of troubles. > Every country has had it's share of stupid leaders. > I'm surprised Any body Wants to lead Any country, let alone America, > in this day and age, would YOU want the job. > America's not perfect. She makes mistakes. She's growing and > learning like everyone on the planet. I live here and I can see some of her glaring > flaws. > Americans are good people. > They care about people in the world -- most of them. > They work hard. > Ok, I have some gripes about the way things are, but let's face it, maybe > having Bush for president will give the rest of the world the opportunity to > see America for who she is and what she is -- just humans like the rest of the > world. You think America is alone in being populated with racist, classist, > people? Every country has those who are rude and those who are generous and > understanding. Every country has somebody who will torch his wife, or cut her > body up and bury it in the backyard. America is just people -- I don't know > why we have so much money in America, cuz I SHURE DON'T HAVE ANY OF IT and i'm > not even trying to get some of it. > I know some of the people who voted for Bush and I don't agree with that > choice but some of the people I know who did are some of the finest people I > know. They don't agree with the war in Iraq and think it is a stupid war, but > now that it's happened they just don't trust Kerry or maybe they think Bush > deserves to have to clean up the mess himself, and MAYBE HE DOES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Yes i agree with you. Americans are good people The Americans now attaking Falluja are also good ones namasivayam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 >Do you think it might be equally true that there are >good, caring, hardworking people in every country, >and of every political persuasion? Including Iraqi >Nationalists who object to the American presence in >their country? Of course. The problem with Americans is that most of them pay little attention to what their country does in other countries. They believe what their leaders tell them and have no knowledge of what is really happening. Thus if you want to accuse them of negligence in not taking proper supervision over their elected leaders, fine, but accusing them of visciously wanting to destroy the lives of ordinary Iraqi citizens, no, this is inaccurate and unfair. Sister Usha ===== Sister Usha Devi Founder, Divinely Female and worshipper of the Sacred Flame that shines inside every woman Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 The tendency to be ignorant and to ignore what happens in other countries, even what is done by our government, is as old as our republic. These days, with jerrymandered districts, only a tiny minority of any legeslative seats are really up for election in the US; all the others are safe. (Jerrymandering is redrawing voting district boundaries to ensure desired election results.) For this reason, voting participation has been declining in the US for a long time - until the last election, when more people voted, but still it didn't much matter (most seats were safe). Most Americans who can vote actually feel powerless; and our current head of state doesn't pay much attention to international OR domestic law, or to the legislature, when he wants something; he just does it. The strong economic trend in the US is for the VERY rich to get richer, and the poor and middle class to get poorer. That's also very distracting, people focus on maintaining quality of life as best they can, and tune out their near and far neighbors. Meanwhile, the agenda of the far and religious right seems to be this administration priority - and the goal is to redefine the US as a Christian nation, with Christian very narrowly defined. , Sister Usha Devi <sisterusha> wrote: > ...The problem with Americans is that most of > them pay little attention to what their country does > in other countries. They believe what their leaders > tell them and have no knowledge of what is really > happening. Thus if you want to accuse them of > negligence in not taking proper supervision over their > elected leaders, fine, but accusing them of visciously > wanting to destroy the lives of ordinary Iraqi > citizens, no, this is inaccurate and unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/10/2004 12:23:12 AM Mountain Standard Time, colinr writes: > Yes, I'm sure that is true. > > As the Devi Mahatmya says, the worshipful power called shakti is > sarvabhuteshu -- present in all beings, including Republicans. > > Do you think it might be equally true that there are good, caring, > hardworking people in every country, and of every political > persuasion? Including Iraqi nationalists who object to the American > presence in their country? > > Om Shantih, > Colin > > lol... my mom Hates Democrats and to hear her talk, Democrats are the embodiment of evil -- and she doesn't mean it as an exxageration when she says it ( good thing I'm registered with the Green Party ;-) As for people in other countries being good, careing and hardworking, including Iraqui's who object to American Presense, of course I agree with you. I myself object to the American presence in their country. Blessings and Peace, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/10/2004 5:26:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, sisterusha writes: > Of course. The problem with Americans is that most of > them pay little attention to what their country does > in other countries. They believe what their leaders > tell them and have no knowledge of what is really > happening. Thus if you want to accuse them of > negligence in not taking proper supervision over their > elected leaders, fine, but accusing them of visciously > wanting to destroy the lives of ordinary Iraqi > citizens, no, this is inaccurate and unfair. > > Sister Usha > > Are you truly so naive as to think that citizens of other countries are any less gullible to their governments' propaganda? LOL !!! You think Americans are alone in this? You think people in other countries are not led along by their noses and when their government says jump, they jump, and how high? Please point us Americans to where we may find this accurate information of what is happening, and please explain the psychology of the human mind to me, that leads you to the belief that Americans alone are subject to dumb herd mentality. As for accurate information, the Iraqui information ministers are in no hurry to take the blindfolds off their own people's eyes as well. Not that this makes it ok for America to invade Iraqu. But to turn the U.S.A. into a lone sinister force, unique in it's evil ways among a world of innocent good doers in other countries all of whom have "correct" information and are all well informed and not simply following the same kind of dumb herd menatlity, is beyond naive. It's the same kind of scape-goating mentality the leads some people to think it was a good IDEA to invade Irqau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/11/2004 7:27:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, seed_crystal writes: > > > The tendency to be ignorant and to ignore what happens in other > countries, even what is done by our government, is as old as our > republic. Let me ask you a personal question: in between earning aliving and trying to support your family if you have one, how much time and resources do YOU have to spend doing the intensive research that would be required to make yourself un-ignorant -- the kind of resources that would be required to change the way things are. First, you would have to tackle big media. That's just one item of concern. My husband was questioned by the CIA, back in college, for sending a letter of complaint about what was going on during the Watergate mess and the Nixon hearings. He's nobody. Who are you, one individual, to stand up to yoru government, assuming you have the resources to make yourself aware, in between having a job and trying to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Exactly!!! this is probably the smartest most educated view I have heard in this group, on this subject! at least someone here knows what they are talking. Ardan ---SophiasHeaven wrote: Are you truly so naive as to think that citizens of other countries are any less gullible to their governments' propaganda? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Sadly, what you say may be especially true of politicians... In a message dated 11/11/2004 1:42:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, lars writes: > SophiasHeaven wrote: > > >As for people in other countries being good, careing and hardworking, > >including Iraqui's who object to American Presense, of course I agree with > you. > > > > > > Most people are assholes, they just put up a friendly false face. > > This is also confirmed by the fact that the history has been dominated > by the worst diabolical outrages. > > Regards > > Lars > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 In a message dated 11/11/2004 4:17:05 PM Mountain Standard Time, sisterusha writes: > >Are you truly so naive as to think that citizens of > >other countries are any less gullible to their > >governments' propaganda? LOL !!! You think > >Americans are alone in this? > > I did not say this. I said nothing even close to the > sentiments to which you attribute to me. > > Sister Usha My apologies for misunderstanding your sentiment... Peace, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 SophiasHeaven wrote: >As for people in other countries being good, careing and hardworking, >including Iraqui's who object to American Presense, of course I agree with you. > > Most people are assholes, they just put up a friendly false face. This is also confirmed by the fact that the history has been dominated by the worst diabolical outrages. Regards Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Hmm. Well I listen to National Public Radio (which is actually a channel independent as it can be from government or advertizers' control) for perhaps 2 hours a day, most days. I watch a news show for another hour a day, most days of the week. I catch the hot news items on the web, perhaps .5 hours most evenings. Before every election I spend 2-3 hours, over about a week, researching any propositions or obscure candidates on the ballot. And every once in a while, an issue grabs me, and I research it, talk with friends about it, post about it, and in the past, have marched or otherwise engage in peaceful demonstrations. I ignore most of the big media, except on issues of concern to me; it just deadens me. Who am I? The only one responsible for my life, my time, my soul. So occasionally, I am the voice or hands or ears of the Goddess herself. But always just myself, the self I choose, the self I make. , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > In a message dated 11/11/2004 7:27:42 AM Mountain Standard Time, > seed_crystal writes: > > > > > > > The tendency to be ignorant and to ignore what happens in other > > countries, even what is done by our government, is as old as our > > republic. > > Let me ask you a personal question: in between earning aliving and trying to > support your family if you have one, how much time and resources do YOU have > to spend doing the intensive research that would be required to make yourself > un-ignorant -- the kind of resources that would be required to change the way > things are. > > First, you would have to tackle big media. That's just one item of concern. > > My husband was questioned by the CIA, back in college, for sending a letter > of complaint about what was going on during the Watergate mess and the Nixon > hearings. He's nobody. Who are you, one individual, to stand up to yoru > government, assuming you have the resources to make yourself aware, in between > having a job and trying to survive. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 >Are you truly so naive as to think that citizens of >other countries are any less gullible to their >governments' propaganda? LOL !!! You think >Americans are alone in this? I did not say this. I said nothing even close to the sentiments to which you attribute to me. Sister Usha ===== Sister Usha Devi Founder, Divinely Female and worshipper of the Sacred Flame that shines inside every woman Check out the new Front Page. www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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