Guest guest Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Dearest Wise One - Thank you for your concern. THis seems to be the message from some of the members from the group. Some of us are kind of suffering from let down of the elections last night. I don't hate Mr. Bush, but it would help if we had someone who was a bit more conscious and self aware. There are some positive things here and there politically though I don't want to discuss them here. Thank you for being patient with us. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 N. Madasamy wrote: > DEVI sometimes purposely send in the BAD, the distractors and what > ever, to attract the Good. > > To me what happen in American is an interesting development. I love > to watch now where all these leads us to. I remember a wise man told > me once : If you look for the goodness that may arise from the bad > happenings, then goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought > forth to us there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always > be GOOD. > What was GOOD about Hitler? Best Regards Lars > * Sponsor* > > > *Want to be a wise steward?* > · Invest 60¢ a day in the life of a child. > <http://us.ard./SIG=1292qhl0s/M=319077.5552753.6622764.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1099613629/A=2412408/R=0/SIG=1260kuvgt/*http://etools.ncol.\ com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-textad1_192.html> > > · *Click here * to view an investment of a lifetime.. > <http://us.ard./SIG=1292qhl0s/M=319077.5552753.6622764.2152211/D=groups\ /S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1099613629/A=2412408/R=1/SIG=1260kuvgt/*http://etools.ncol.\ com/a/levelone/bg_childrenint_yh-textad1_192.html> > > > > ------ > * Links* > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 N. Madasamy wrote: DEVI sometimes purposely send in the BAD, the distractors and what ever, to attract the Good. To me what happen in American is an interesting development. I love to watch now where all these leads us to. I remember a wise man told me once : If you look for the goodness that may arise from the bad happenings, then goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought forth to us there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always be GOOD. Lars Hedström wrote:What was GOOD about Hitler? hahahaaa I know you will bring this Hitler up. Ive been waiting for you. Somebody told me once, you want to win an agruement bring Hitler or the Nazis issue up. To me DEVI bring somebody like Hitler to wake us up from this illusion that all are good and well. Inside there is always a dark force a terrible force that has the ability to commit crime beyond human imagination. You are only looking at Hitler. Go beyong Hitler.... events that unfold after the others discover the horrible crime. As you have said before we are all in the web of things. What happen in one area will affect the others. What happen when you suddenly wake up one day and decide to join the "save the trees" or "save the whale" activites? To me I am looking at a different angle, not at the trees or the whales but the people itself: the coming together of people who feel strongly about certain issues. People who are willing to join forces and fight for something they believe in. Isn't that good?. What do you think will lead to this noble endeavours? People who realise that when they work together as a team it will bring better result etcc... should I go on? The destroying of trees or killing of whales to me is just DEVI's way of bring like minded people like yourself to do something about it. But the problem is that when people tend to forget and began to believe that they are the one who is the cause of all these. The one who help to save the trees or the whales. That is what leads to egolistical attitude. The same as I have said, is like standing before your mother and said : I am the one who save you. You are helpless.We are the one who make what you are today. To me to serve the Goddess is to surrender to her totally and without condition. Every moment of my action is devotion to her. Every good and bad is her will because she wants it to be. And it is for me to accept or to embrace it with open armsm no matter how horrible the exprience may be. "For those that does not kill, makes you stronger" And that is what happen. The weak will "die" or whimpering in their little corner blaming their bad luck, while the survivors wil try to pick up the piece and move on. They are the stronger one. Therefor I stand before my earlier statement when I said : "DEVI sometimes purposely send in the BAD, the distractors and what ever, to attract the Good. I remember a wise man told me once : If you look for the goodness that may arise from the bad happenings, then goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought forth to us there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always be GOOD." I did not get this statement from scome scriptures or book, but from personal experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 things are all same we classify good or evil let us have a birds eye view we cant differenciate any thing but for the universe ....... Think about namasivayam --- Lars Hedström <lars wrote: > What was GOOD about Hitler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 why do bother about politics? This is not the forum to discuss namasivayam --- Eric Otto <eottoe2001 wrote: Dearest Wise One - > Thank you for your concern. THis seems to be the message from some of the members from the group. Some of us are kind of suffering from let down of the elections last night. I don't hate Mr. Bush, but it would help if we had someone who was a bit more conscious and self aware. There are some positive things here and there politically though I don't want to discuss them here. Thank you for being patient with us. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Nora, Your posts have been very comforting for a sad soul such as myself. As a matter of fact, if you do not mind, I wish to save this post for inspiration in the future. Thanks and blessings, >"N. Madasamy" <nmadasamy > > > Re: From a friend abroad...... to the Americans >!!! >Fri, 05 Nov 2004 00:36:07 -0000 > > >N. Madasamy wrote: DEVI sometimes purposely send in the BAD, the >distractors and what ever, to attract the Good. To me what happen in >American is an interesting development. I love to watch now where >all these leads us to. I remember a wise man told me once : If you >look for the goodness that may arise from the bad happenings, then >goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought forth to us >there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always be GOOD. > >Lars Hedström wrote:What was GOOD about Hitler? > > >hahahaaa I know you will bring this Hitler up. Ive been waiting for >you. Somebody told me once, you want to win an agruement bring >Hitler or the Nazis issue up. > >To me DEVI bring somebody like Hitler to wake us up from this >illusion that all are good and well. Inside there is always a dark >force a terrible force that has the ability to commit crime beyond >human imagination. > >You are only looking at Hitler. Go beyong Hitler.... events that >unfold after the others discover the horrible crime. As you have >said before we are all in the web of things. What happen in one area >will affect the others. > >What happen when you suddenly wake up one day and decide to join >the "save the trees" or "save the whale" activites? To me I am >looking at a different angle, not at the trees or the whales but the >people itself: the coming together of people who feel strongly >about certain issues. People who are willing to join forces and >fight for something they believe in. Isn't that good?. > >What do you think will lead to this noble endeavours? People who >realise that when they work together as a team it will bring better >result etcc... should I go on? > >The destroying of trees or killing of whales to me is just >DEVI's way of bring like minded people like yourself to do something >about it. But the problem is that when people tend to forget and >began to believe that they are the one who is the cause of all >these. The one who help to save the trees or the whales. That is >what leads to egolistical attitude. The same as I have said, is like >standing before your mother and said : I am the one who save you. >You are helpless.We are the one who make what you are today. > >To me to serve the Goddess is to surrender to her totally and >without condition. Every moment of my action is devotion to her. >Every good and bad is her will because she wants it to be. And it is >for me to accept or to embrace it with open armsm no matter how >horrible the exprience may be. "For those that does not kill, makes >you stronger" And that is what happen. The weak will "die" or >whimpering in their little corner blaming their bad luck, while the >survivors wil try to pick up the piece and move on. They are the >stronger one. > >Therefor I stand before my earlier statement when I said : "DEVI >sometimes purposely send in the BAD, the distractors and what ever, >to attract the Good. I remember a wise man told me once : If you >look for the goodness that may arise from the bad happenings, then >goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought forth to us >there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always be GOOD." > >I did not get this statement from scome scriptures or book, but from >personal experience. > > > > _______________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Namasivayam wrote: "why do bother about politics?" I DO "This is not the forum to discuss. I DISAGREE! Religion does not operates in a vaccum. There are lot of external factors that directly affect the evolution of religion. Shakti Sadhana is not about rejecting the world around us. Therefore everything that happens in this world be it social, economic, environmental or political have a place in Shakti Sadhana. The only concern I have is when these issues being discuss here get carried away. We should understand the sadness that our American friends is undergoing right now. Shakti Sadhana is also about showing concern, care and compassion to those who seek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 nama siva wrote: >things are all same >we classify good or evil >let us have a birds eye view >we cant differenciate any thing >but for the universe ....... Think about > > With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and then he had been the ruler of the world. Thnak God(ess) that people in general do not have that attitude. Best Regards Lars Luckilyahd rhe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 N. Madasamy wrote: > hahahaaa I know you will bring this Hitler up. Ive been waiting for > you. Somebody told me once, you want to win an agruement bring > Hitler or the Nazis issue up. > Well, then this someone was wrong. > To me DEVI bring somebody like Hitler to wake us up from this > illusion that all are good and well. Inside there is always a dark > force a terrible force that has the ability to commit crime beyond > human imagination. > Right, I agree. But as Lao-Tze put it: "Solve the small problem before it becomes big ... The biggest problem in the world could have been solved when it was small." With your attitude we shall sit in the sofa and let the problem grow over our heads. > You are only looking at Hitler. Go beyong Hitler.... Ofcourse I can also go beyond Hitler. Nothing bad without any good. Take the state of Israel for example. If Hitler hadn't killed 6 000 000 jews they hadn't had the state of Israel today. So the jews should THANK Hitler for their state of Israel! > What happen when you suddenly wake up one day and decide to join > the "save the trees" or "save the whale" activites? To me I am > looking at a different angle, not at the trees or the whales but the > people itself: the coming together of people who feel strongly > about certain issues. People who are willing to join forces and > fight for something they believe in. Isn't that good?. > Ofcourse. > What do you think will lead to this noble endeavours? I am not so sure it will lead to anything but just postpone the armageddon. > The destroying of trees or killing of whales to me is just > DEVI's way of bring like minded people like yourself to do something > about it. But the problem is that when people tend to forget and > began to believe that they are the one who is the cause of all > these. The one who help to save the trees or the whales. That is > what leads to egolistical attitude. The same as I have said, is like > standing before your mother and said : I am the one who save you. > You are helpless.We are the one who make what you are today. > But what if this children standing in front of the mother suddenly have a loaded gun in his hand... > To me to serve the Goddess is to surrender to her totally and > without condition. Every moment of my action is devotion to her. > Every good and bad is her will because she wants it to be. I understand your position, there is something we can learn from it, just as we can learn from all other different aspects or views. But according to my opinion it is too defeatistic, we parttake to create our own future. Thus we decide if tomorrow will be a hell or paradise. We are co-creators of universe! I do not eat crap-food because I know that it will certainly give me diseases. Thus I am a master of my destiny to a not so little extent. Not to mention my yoga-destiny, which I can fulfill better with a healthier lifestyle. > And it is > for me to accept or to embrace it with open armsm no matter how > horrible the exprience may be. I do not accept it but will fight with all means to decrease horrible things - as I am not a masochist. > "For those that does not kill, makes > you stronger" And that is what happen. If Churchill had had that attitude Htiler had occupied UK. > Therefor I stand before my earlier statement when I said : "DEVI > sometimes purposely send in the BAD, the distractors and what ever, > to attract the Good. I agree with you that much good comes from bad. The dark side of the existence is many times a very good source of development and to broaden our conscious. However that does not mean that we must accept excesses of the dark side in a defaistic manner. That will lead right to hell! Ofcourse this discussion hadn't been so important 500 years ago cause then humans hadn't the ability to destroy the whole planet or make it a life-hostile desert. > I remember a wise man told me once : If you > look for the goodness that may arise from the bad happenings, then > goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought forth to us > there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always be GOOD." > Not necessarily the consequences, and especially if we just sit in our sofa in front of the TV yawning... > I did not get this statement from scome scriptures or book, but from > personal experience. > The same for me, I do not get my view in this matter from book-learning but from personal experiences. Best Regards Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 well said. To be in the world and interacting with the world and helping when one can and lending a shoulder when one can enjoying life and what the world can offer - ethically - and without hurting someone as far as possible and never breaking law; thats a shakta. Lalita grants mukti and bhukti. it is for other systems to be ascetic and denying enjoyment (maybe) and I am not condemning that. It is not the path of a Shakta. The path of a shakta is to smile enjoy and yet reach the holy feet. "N. Madasamy" <nmadasamy wrote: Namasivayam wrote: "why do bother about politics?" I DO "This is not the forum to discuss. I DISAGREE! Religion does not operates in a vaccum. There are lot of external factors that directly affect the evolution of religion. Shakti Sadhana is not about rejecting the world around us. Therefore everything that happens in this world be it social, economic, environmental or political have a place in Shakti Sadhana. The only concern I have is when these issues being discuss here get carried away. We should understand the sadness that our American friends is undergoing right now. Shakti Sadhana is also about showing concern, care and compassion to those who seek Sponsor Eliminate Your Debt! ·Get out of Debt Now · Christian counselors available·Click here to find out how you can become free from debt. / Check out the new Front Page. www./a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 " With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and then he had been the ruler of the world." So what if he did become ruler of the world? What would be different today? Instead of Hitler, we have Bush trying to establish an empire and causing hundreds of thousands of casualties to do it. After the American empire crumbles, it will be the Chinese empire. Who knows what empire after that - a Wahabi Islamic empire? There will alway be those who seek to control others and use ruthless methods to do it. Look at the Zionist landgrab in Palestine. Or, the warlords in the Golden Triangle. The answer is that the world population has to condemn and change the least sign of such behaviour in themselves, in their political leaders and then in other peoples in other countries. The change in behaviour will not occur because of police or military action. Military action only sanctifies the attitude of victory and its corollary of there being winners and losers as well as sanctifying the method of coersion to achieve that victory. Change in behaviour will come about through everyday compassion, courtesy, thoughtfulness, concern for one's fellow humans, and selfless-service on the individual level. Plus an unwillingness to tolerate anything else in one's daily life and challenging and eliminating negative behaviour through dialogue, high example and proposing sattvic alternatives to problems. Omprem , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> wrote: > nama siva wrote: > > >things are all same > >we classify good or evil > >let us have a birds eye view > >we cant differenciate any thing > >but for the universe ....... Think about > > > > > > With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and then he had > been the ruler of the world. > > Thnak God(ess) that people in general do not have that attitude. > > Best Regards > > Lars > > > > Luckilyahd rhe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Shame on you to corrupt this noble site with such garbage! Take it elsewhere please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Kingdoms, empires and military are always going to be there, esp in this (dark age)kali yuga(i hope i am spelling it right). Non violence should come from inside, practice of vegetarianism etc. Nothing happens without some karma being sewn individually or collectively This is my belief. -J , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > " With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and then he > had been the ruler of the world." > > So what if he did become ruler of the world? What would be > different today? Instead of Hitler, we have Bush trying to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 In what way is describing the human experience and recommending solutions garbage? I remind you that the thrust of this club is sadhana or disciplined action. Action is useless without first understanding the human experience. Do you want only some sterile pontificating on scripture or do you want to think of ways to implement scripture in your life? If the former, you are wasting your time. If the latter, then make a contribution here of how that could be done. Omprem , Sankar Kumar <Ommuruga41> wrote: > > Shame on you to corrupt this noble site with such garbage! Take it elsewhere please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I agree. While we are moving toward Self-realization, we incur karma with our mental and physical actions. However, when Self-realized, our actions incur no karma because there is no ego behind the actions. Omprem , "jessica_malone1000" <jessica_malone1000> wrote: > > Kingdoms, empires and military are always going to be there, esp in > this (dark age)kali yuga(i hope i am spelling it right). Non violence > should come from inside, practice of vegetarianism etc. Nothing > happens without some karma being sewn individually or collectively > This is my belief. > > -J > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > " With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and then he > > had been the ruler of the world." > > > > So what if he did become ruler of the world? What would be > > different today? Instead of Hitler, we have Bush trying to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Speaking of Karma... I recently read the section in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Hinduism" that talks about "Agama Karma", which Johnsen describes as "the karma produced from thought." It makes me wonder... Is it possible to produce your own unwanted karma from being pessimistic, depressed, and so forth? I know that my mom refuses to believe in karma because she believes that she has not done enough 'wrong' to override her righteous action - yet she still had a horrible life. Is it possible that one's Agama Karma is affected by their state of mind, even when they have not produced any Kriyaman Karma? Am I looking too much into it? Thanks and blessings, >"omprem" <omprem > > > Re: From a friend abroad...... to the Americans >!!! >Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:36:48 -0000 > > >I agree. > >While we are moving toward Self-realization, we incur karma with >our mental and physical actions. However, when Self-realized, >our actions incur no karma because there is no ego behind the >actions. > >Omprem > > > >, >"jessica_malone1000" <jessica_malone1000> wrote: > > > > Kingdoms, empires and military are always going to be there, >esp in > > this (dark age)kali yuga(i hope i am spelling it right). Non >violence > > should come from inside, practice of vegetarianism etc. >Nothing > > happens without some karma being sewn individually or >collectively > > This is my belief. > > > > -J > > > > , "omprem" ><omprem> wrote: > > > > > > " With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and >then he > > > had been the ruler of the world." > > > > > > So what if he did become ruler of the world? What would be > > > different today? Instead of Hitler, we have Bush trying to > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 I agree with you. cosmic whip is waiting The ultimate decision will be taken by the universal force. As a human being we can simply watch wat is going on. we can do nothing be spiritual namasivayam --- omprem <omprem wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2004 Report Share Posted November 5, 2004 Agami Karma is the Karma that we incur in this lifetime which will bear fruit in the future. The karma that we produce comes from our thoughts, words and deeds. So, yes, your mother does produce unwanted karma from her pessimism and depression. That is why we must not remain dominated by tamas but must exert to overcome tamas. We constantly produce both unwanted and wanted karma (unmindful that any karma is unwanted). So the theory that righteous action can override, cancel out or prevent unwanted karma is wrong. Righteous action produces karma if it is ego driven. Unrighteous action also produces karma. Omprem , "Anya Mortiis" <angelusmortiis@h...> wrote: > Speaking of Karma... > > I recently read the section in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Hinduism" that > talks about "Agama Karma", which Johnsen describes as "the karma produced > from thought." It makes me wonder... > > Is it possible to produce your own unwanted karma from being pessimistic, > depressed, and so forth? I know that my mom refuses to believe in karma > because she believes that she has not done enough 'wrong' to override her > righteous action - yet she still had a horrible life. Is it possible that > one's Agama Karma is affected by their state of mind, even when they have > not produced any Kriyaman Karma? Am I looking too much into it? > > > Thanks and blessings, > Anya > > >"omprem" <omprem> > > > > > > Re: From a friend abroad...... to the Americans > >!!! > >Fri, 05 Nov 2004 23:36:48 -0000 > > > > > >I agree. > > > >While we are moving toward Self-realization, we incur karma with > >our mental and physical actions. However, when Self-realized, > >our actions incur no karma because there is no ego behind the > >actions. > > > >Omprem > > > > > > > >, > >"jessica_malone1000" <jessica_malone1000> wrote: > > > > > > Kingdoms, empires and military are always going to be there, > >esp in > > > this (dark age)kali yuga(i hope i am spelling it right). Non > >violence > > > should come from inside, practice of vegetarianism etc. > >Nothing > > > happens without some karma being sewn individually or > >collectively > > > This is my belief. > > > > > > -J > > > > > > , "omprem" > ><omprem> wrote: > > > > > > > > " With that attitude no one had bothered to fight Hitler and > >then he > > > > had been the ruler of the world." > > > > > > > > So what if he did become ruler of the world? What would be > > > > different today? Instead of Hitler, we have Bush trying to > > > > > > > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/ 01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 "Right, I agree. But as Lao-Tze put it: "Solve the small problem before it becomes big ... The biggest problem in the world could have been solved when it was small." I AGREE. The biggest and the smallest problem is also a perception. What is a small problem to you might be big for another. So this Lao-Tse statement may be true in certain instances but not practical in certain area. "With your attitude we shall sit in the sofa and let the problem grow over our heads." You are wrong in this again. I never say you ignore the problem or try to deny the problem exist again. Please read the whole thread again. It is obvious that you never really understood what I am trying to say here. "Of course I can also go beyond Hitler. Nothing bad without any good. Take the state of Israel for example. If Hitler hadn't killed 6 000 000 jews they hadn't had the state of Israel today. So the jews should THANK Hitler for their state of Israel!" They should thank DEVI for it is her will that the state of Isreal was created because it is meant to be. Hilter is just a tool being used. Just like you and me are all tools. I wrote :"What do you think will lead to this noble endeavours? " Lars : I am not so sure it will lead to anything but just post pone the armageddon. Do you think so. So you do not consider the gathering or the coming together of people for a good cause is good or it is just a waste of time? "But what if this children standing in front of the mother suddenly have a loaded gun in his hand...' The Gun is their ego being continously fed by this egolistical attitude of " I Am The One" I am the Cause. All these "I am" is the ego. When I say that, I am referring to your attitude of not wanting to accept the fact that DEVI is the power and the energy that moves everything. That is why SHE is called the Shakti. Even the children were to carry a gun and try to shoot her, they are just shooting the illusion, because DEVI is within us all. "I understand your position, there is something we can learn from it, just as we can learn from all other different aspects or views." Do you? "But according to my opinion it is too defeatistic, we part take to create our own future. Thus we decide if tomorrow will be a hell or paradise." Yes I agree we are the one who create our own hell or paradise. That is why DEVI have given us the brain to think. Brain with a reasoning power to decide for ourselves what I good or bad, the ability to make the choices. Even the act of thinking is a creative process and any creative process is a sacred act. Perhaps to you is being defeatistic, but to me it being what and who we are and How I see my relation ship with DEVI. To us the DEVI is not something separate, but SHE is within us all. She is the very energy the moves us. That is what sadhana is all about. TO transcend to be DEVI. To merge and be ONE with DEVI. "We are co-creators of universe!" SHE is the universe . We are the players in her universe. "I do not eat crap-food because I know that it will certainly give me diseases. Thus I am a master of my destiny to a not so little extent. Not to mention my yoga-destiny, which I can fulfill better with a healthier lifestyle." That is the reasoning power that DEVI have given to you because you have make an effort to find out and learn about crap food and its effect. She can just remove that and you are nothing but "A living vegetable" attached to the life support system. "I do not accept it but will fight with all means to decrease horrible things - as I am not a masochist." What if you fight and you loose? You go around lamenting about your failure. Or you move on. That is what I am trying to say. "If Churchill had had that attitude Htiler had occupied UK." It is DEVi wills too the Churchill does not have this attitude. Otherwise not only Hitler, will occupy UK. "I agree with you that much good comes from bad. The dark side of the existence is many times a very good source of development and to broaden our conscious. However that does not mean that we must accept excesses of the dark side in a defaistic manner. That will lead right to hell! " I don't think so it is being defaistic matter. "I remember a wise man told me once : If you look for the goodness that may arise from the bad happenings, then goodness will emerged. Everything that DEVI brought forth to us there must be a reason, and to me the reason will always be GOOD." Not necessarily the consequences, and especially if we just sit in our sofa in front of the TV yawning..." Precisely that has always been my stand many times. You must make an effort for ****DEVI do not help those who does not help themselves****. Thank you lars for this thread of post. I shall not pursue on this anymore as I think I have said what there is need to be said. I forsee the rest will be just a repetition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 N. Madasamy wrote: > >"Of course I can also go beyond Hitler. Nothing bad without any >good. Take the state of Israel for example. If Hitler hadn't killed >6 000 000 jews they hadn't had the state of Israel today. So the >jews should THANK Hitler for their state of Israel!" > >They should thank DEVI for it is her will that the state of Isreal >was created because it is meant to be. Hilter is just a tool being >used. Just like you and me are all tools. > > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world" - Mahatma Gandhi Best Regards Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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