Gift of the Guru - what is Shaktipata

[Guest guest]

93

 

Shaktipata (or shakti-nipata) is the Grace of GOD. And nothing else.

Guru may bless us and pray for us - so that God showers His grace upon

our guru`s prayer. Never shaktipata is a mechanical process or smth

that guru "possesses and can give to anyone".

 

Yes, guru has his own power, shakti, which he may use to influence us

and change smth. But this is not what is called shaktipata proper.

 

The great pervertion of our time is that one may buy "shaktipatas"

from some "gurus". If anyone is "selling God`s grace", keep away, it

is a liar.

 

Shaktipata is related to UPPER Kundalini flowing down. As Sri

Aurobindo described recently and Abhinavagupta and many others before.

We have to keep in mind that Kundalini is Devi`s power, that too upper

Kundalini is personification of Her grace.

 

Salvation is the result of shaktipata, Divine grace.

 

Love is the law, love under will.

A.

[Guest guest]

Jay Gurudev!

> Never shaktipata is a mechanical process or smth

> that guru "possesses and can give to anyone".

 

I beg to disagree. Before commenting on anything else you have said,

I would like to get your defination of Guru.

 

Thank You.

 

Regards

 

Mithilesh

> Yes, guru has his own power, shakti, which he may use to influence

us

> and change smth. But this is not what is called shaktipata proper.

>

> The great pervertion of our time is that one may buy "shaktipatas"

> from some "gurus". If anyone is "selling God`s grace", keep away,

it

> is a liar.

>

> Shaktipata is related to UPPER Kundalini flowing down. As Sri

> Aurobindo described recently and Abhinavagupta and many others

before.

> We have to keep in mind that Kundalini is Devi`s power, that too

upper

> Kundalini is personification of Her grace.

>

> Salvation is the result of shaktipata, Divine grace.

>

> Love is the law, love under will.

> A.

[Guest guest]

93

 

Lets not go into detail . Of course i meant human, siddha and divya

Gurus - Gurus of three "oghas". But not that One Guru who is Devi

Herself (or Who we may call Guru Datta or Shiva).

 

Shaktipata passes through Guru and upon his prayer. But he is not

"controlling" or "ordering" Shakti. It is only GOD who gives

shaktipata - for shaktipata is flow of Divine grace.

 

Love is the law, love under will.

A.

 

, "Mithilesh" <nikhil.sishya@g...

> wrote:

>

>

> Jay Gurudev!

>

> > Never shaktipata is a mechanical process or smth

> > that guru "possesses and can give to anyone".

>

> I beg to disagree. Before commenting on anything else you have said,

> I would like to get your defination of Guru.

>

> Thank You.

[Guest guest]

Yes, everything is God's grace, you, me, guru, everything in this universe is

god's grace as he is the creator.

Guru is respected above god as guru is the one who will guide our way to god.

Guru's spiritual power (tapas) can be transferred to his disciple if guru wishes

just like a rich person financially helps his poor relatives. It's as simple as

that.

 

from www.siddhashram.org

The Shaktipaat Diksha is a special Diksha. There are various types of Shaktipaat

Dikshas for various purposes. One normally takes Shaktipaat Diksha to solve some

personal problems (marital, financial, domestic etc. ), activation of Kundalini,

get success in some Sadhana, spiritual upliftment, success in meditation,

Aayurveda etc. etc.

 

There are various stages of each Diksha and ideally one should discuss about

Diksha personally with revered Gurudev. Ideally, you should meet Revered Gurudev

personally to discuss about problems, plans, Dikshas etc. You may either get

Diksha from Gurudev personally or the Diksha may be granted on a photograph. The

photograph should be a recent one, and can be of any size. However the face

should be clearly visible on the photograph.

 

Transfer of divine energy

 

Secret of Shaktipaat Diksha

Human life is the greatest boon from the side of Nature. According to the text

Vivek Chodamanni composed by Bhagwatpad Shankaracharya it is very difficult to

be born as a human and still more difficult to become a Purush or a complete

man. Only a person who becomes curious about the spiritual world and the science

of Mantra and Tantra can be called truly fortunate because for him can open the

doors to totality.

But only a person who has found a Sadguru in his life can hope to make spiritual

progress and attain to such an elevated state.

The highest aim of human life is realisation of the self and of the Supreme.

Till he does this he has to go through the cycle of birth and death again and

again.

But for this realisation to occur it is necessary to free the body and the mind

of all impurities. Only when one is physically and mentally pure does the divine

energy that is within spurts forth and one has the glimpse of the immortal soul.

It is very difficult for an ordinary person in the present age to become free of

these evil tendencies on his own. For this he needs the help of an accomplished

master who could instil his own spiritual power into the person and destroy his

weaknesses. This is an act of kindness and love which the master does and it

cannot be repaid by wealth or gifts. In return the master only asks for true

love for the Divine and unwavering faith. The process of instilling of his

divine power into a disciple by a master is called Shaktipaat Diksha which can

be done by a touch of the hand on the forehead, a mere look or even by gazing at

a photograph for a person remotely situated. Not every Guru is capable of

performing Shaktipaat. He has to be a Sadguru who is

one among the elite Rishis and Yogis of the holy spiritual land of Siddhashram.

In his own words – “I have given Shaktipaat Diksha to millions. There have been

individuals who have never even read or heard about Yogic practices and

Prannayam and yet after having got Shaktipaat they automatically started to

perform amazing Yogic practices with the greatest ease. And more importantly

each Sadhak performed the practice that would ensure his spiritual progress and

none else.”

Through Shaktipaat Diksha amazing results have accrued for different Sadhaks –

riddance from incurable diseases, debts and problems; banishment of poverty and

gain of wealth; employment for those without jobs; marriage of those who were

earlier unable to find the right match and many more. What more those desirous

of spiritual progress have attained to the awakening of the Kundalini and gain

of powers like clairvoyance and telepathy. In fact nothing is impossible through

Shaktipaat Diksha and it is a sure way of completely transforming ones life for

the better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Beware of this site and guru: www.siddhashram.org

 

He has swindled a number of people and uses tantric methods to

entrap people.

 

, T N <yogiman2003> wrote:

>

> Yes, everything is God's grace, you, me, guru, everything in this

universe is god's grace as he is the creator.

> Guru is respected above god as guru is the one who will guide our

way to god.

>

> from www.siddhashram.org

[Guest guest]

93

 

, T N <yogiman2003> wrote:

> Yes, everything is God's grace, you, me, guru, everything in this

universe is god's grace as he is the creator.

 

Yes, He is.

> Guru is respected above god as guru is the one who will guide our

way to god.

 

No, he should not be. Some sectarian teachers propagated this idea for

rather obvious reasons .

In fact if U put anyone above God that is idolatry. True Guru won`t

allow U to say such things even. Because true Guru knows God.

There are two persons most dear and precious in one`s life - shakti

(in the case person is male; otherwise vice versa) and guru. But God

is still above, He is Absolute, ANUTTARA.

Simple logical reason is as follows: God is God and is Truth and Love.

But human guru may himself be imperfect and even fall. In that case

one should leave that guru and search for another. That is the

teaching of Kula as exposed for example in Tantraloka.

> Guru's spiritual power (tapas) can be transferred to his disciple if

guru wishes just like a rich person financially helps his poor

relatives. It's as simple as that.

 

Not right analogy. God`s grace and love isn`t some unconcious material

such as money is. Guru may pray and U will be blessed by God. As a

person dear to God he can bring U near Him.

What U tell about tapasya-shakti sound similar to medieval catholic

idea of indulgencia - which was serving earning money purpose as well

.

> from www.siddhashram.org

 

U know "Siddhashram" makes good business out of such ideas. It is a

commercial but not spiritual organization. Of course whatever they

write and teach is just basis for money earning - through fraud .

[Guest guest]

I agree with This Also,

All the Teachers who have ascended before send their healing energies

and intent for the purpose of awakening all people in their own time, for the

purpose of the highest good of all concerned.

Even the Cosmos has a path of evolution and as the energies of this

Dreaming Mind shift and change, we are affected, each according to his/her own

karma.

 

Peace,

Cathie

In a message dated 10/24/2004 7:15:45 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

reddychintu writes:

> Looks like there is some change in earth frequency, or some thing else

> changed.

>

> Even without shaktipath their are so many spontaneous kundalini

> arousals all over world, much more than they were any time earlier.

>

> so to say shakipath is bogus , may be wrong, its demand and supply

> theory. Nature itself is doing all this.

>

> Have you ever heard of kundalini exprieces earlier, now you can locate

> many people around you.

>

> so try to find what is good for you and leave rest of the things to

> nature, it is cabable of taking care.

>

> , "dayumirah" <dayumirah> wrote:

> >

> >Nowadays shaktipat has become very cheap, cheaper than this are the

> seekers, and the cheapest ones are those bogus gurus (Mirah)

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nowadays shaktipat has become very cheap, cheaper than this are the seekers, and

the cheapest ones are those bogus gurus (Mirah)

[Guest guest]

Looks like there is some change in earth frequency, or some thing else

changed.

 

Even without shaktipath their are so many spontaneous kundalini

arousals all over world, much more than they were any time earlier.

 

so to say shakipath is bogus , may be wrong, its demand and supply

theory. Nature itself is doing all this.

 

Have you ever heard of kundalini exprieces earlier, now you can locate

many people around you.

 

so try to find what is good for you and leave rest of the things to

nature, it is cabable of taking care.

 

, "dayumirah" <dayumirah> wrote:

>

> Nowadays shaktipat has become very cheap, cheaper than this are the

seekers, and the cheapest ones are those bogus gurus (Mirah)

[Guest guest]

> > Guru is respected above god as guru is the one who will guide our

> > way to god.

> No, he should not be. Some sectarian teachers propagated this idea for

> rather obvious reasons .

[Mouse] In India they tend to express themselves with a lot of hyperbole.

Let us not understand this literally. Hindu tradition merely tries to

emphasize the importance of Guru and the need (for the disciple) to revere

him. Not of course to literally put Guru before God.

> > Guru's spiritual power (tapas) can be transferred to his disciple if

> > guru wishes just like a rich person financially helps his poor

> > relatives. It's as simple as that.

>

> Not right analogy. God`s grace and love isn`t some unconcious material

> such as money is. Guru may pray and U will be blessed by God. As a

> person dear to God he can bring U near Him.

[Mouse] Agreed. Shaktipat is mostly an energy transfer, like jump-starting a

car with battery from a strong one. And Guru knows when it's for the benefit

of the student to reveive Shaktipat, and when it's better for him to strive

a little and reach on his own.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jay Gurudev!!

> > Guru is respected above god as guru is the one who will guide our

> way to god.

>

> No, he should not be. Some sectarian teachers propagated this idea

for

> rather obvious reasons .

> In fact if U put anyone above God that is idolatry. True Guru won`t

> allow U to say such things even. Because true Guru knows God.

> There are two persons most dear and precious in one`s life - shakti

> (in the case person is male; otherwise vice versa) and guru. But

God

> is still above, He is Absolute, ANUTTARA.

 

wasn't it for guru how would you know who the God is. If you think

there are texts which can impart knowledge all i can do is wish you

good luck. thats is one more path to realize absolute brahman.

 

Guru, in the word itself has very deep meaning. There is one sloka

in Guru Gita " gurur bramha...."

 

what is you take on this sloka. it equates guru to "par bramha".

> Guru may pray and U will be blessed by God. As a

> person dear to God he can bring U near Him.

 

I pray to pujya gurudev to send you your guru. but the kind of

attitude and thinking you have for the guru; it will take ages before

you will have any 'knowledge'. agreed there are lot of charlatans

posing as guru and one have to be careful and even test guru. but

once you have choosen there is no scope of any doubt.

 

By your posts in this group, i am certain that you have done

extensive research in various subject. But I think you haven't

learnt to communicate with anyone. You need little bit of

introspection dear friend.

> U know "Siddhashram" makes good business out of such ideas. It is a

> commercial but not spiritual organization. Of course whatever they

> write and teach is just basis for money earning - through fraud .

 

what do you know about the activities which siddharsham does from the

money which they 'make'? before judging anyone else judge yourself.

i feel pity for your ignorance.

 

may god bless you.

[Guest guest]

jay maa,

 

I agree with you, yet we must save ourself from these

bogus things.

maybe we need to make a small correction here,

shaktipath is not shaktipat (Mirah)

 

--- reddychintu <reddychintu wrote:

 

 

 

Looks like there is some change in earth frequency, or

some thing else

changed.

[Guest guest]

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, "Mithilesh" <mithilesh_das

> wrote:

> wasn't it for guru how would you know who the God is. If you think

> there are texts which can impart knowledge all i can do is wish you

> good luck. thats is one more path to realize absolute brahman.

 

Texts themselves never bring to God. I never said they do.

 

And it i GOD who makes us know Him. U may know God without having

Guru; but U will never have Guru until God wills .

> Guru, in the word itself has very deep meaning. There is one sloka

> in Guru Gita " gurur bramha....">

> what is you take on this sloka. it equates guru to "par bramha".

 

It doesn`t say about equality. It says "sAkShAt parabrahma",

manifestation of Parabrahma before our eyes. If we go on taking every

expression of Shastras literally we come to very odd conclusions.

Agamas say "striyo devyaH" - would U say that every woman is identical

to Goddess Herself?

Then Vedas even say that "let guest be a god" (atithir devo bhava).

Would U take it also literally?

> I pray to pujya gurudev to send you your guru. but the kind of

> attitude and thinking you have for the guru; it will take ages

before you will have any 'knowledge'.

 

I`m grateful to Devi to have what She gave me.

 

Also i never had an idea to ask U or siddhashram`s people for

guidance. Happily i`m away from that kind of gurus...

 

....And thank U for Ur kind wishes .

 

agreed there are lot of charlatans

> posing as guru and one have to be careful and even test guru. but

> once you have choosen there is no scope of any doubt.

 

One`s psycological attitude doesn`t prove authenticity of guru.

Fanatics are free from doubts; but are they following sanmarga or are

their leaders necessarily great masters?

 

There is objective criteria. If one gets shaktipata (i mean real one,

that is blessing of Shakti) he has some things changed inside which

will be evident. Till one doesn`t have experience no use to go into

that.

> By your posts in this group, i am certain that you have done

> extensive research in various subject. But I think you haven't

> learnt to communicate with anyone. You need little bit of

> introspection dear friend.

 

When i say something against common accepted (but wrong) views people

start viewing me as "having no knowledge", "in need of sadhana and

introspection" and what`s not. That is ok, we all need introspection.

 

Also don`t understand why U use expression "dear friend" while U do

not feel that. Manners? I would prefer people to speak sincerely...

> what do you know about the activities which siddharsham does from

the money which they 'make'? before judging anyone else judge

yourself. i feel pity for your ignorance.

 

I know some FACTS .

> may god bless you.

 

May He bless all of us.

 

A.

[Guest guest]

besides the gossip of logics, let me know the facts u said u know about

siddhashram.org.

 

keep ur judgement to urself unless it's been asked for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Just one word.

 

Most people turn Godward when they have insurmountable problems and thats when

the half baked "Gurus" pry on them. They are normally real fat preys.

 

I have a simple question.

 

I will state a problem that has to be solved within time limits. How many

canguarentee a result. I will pay what they demand - but after the event.

 

Will someone in siddashram take up the offer?

 

 

 

Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote:

 

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, "Mithilesh" <mithilesh_das wrote:

 

wasn't it for guru how would you know who the God is. If you think there are

texts which can impart knowledge all i can do is wish you good luck. thats is

one more path to realize absolute brahman.

 

Texts themselves never bring to God. I never said they do.

 

And it i GOD who makes us know Him. U may know God without having Guru; but U

will never have Guru until God wills .

> Guru, in the word itself has very deep meaning. There is one sloka in Guru

Gita " gurur bramha...." what is you take on this sloka. it equates guru to

"par bramha".

 

It doesn`t say about equality. It says "sAkShAt parabrahma", manifestation of

Parabrahma before our eyes. If we go on taking every expression of Shastras

literally we come to very odd conclusions.Agamas say "striyo devyaH" - would U

say that every woman is identical

to Goddess Herself? Then Vedas even say that "let guest be a god" (atithir devo

bhava). Would U take it also literally?

> I pray to pujya gurudev to send you your guru. but the kind of attitude and

thinking you have for the guru; it will take ages before you will have any

'knowledge'.

 

I`m grateful to Devi to have what She gave me.

 

Also i never had an idea to ask U or siddhashram`s people for guidance. Happily

i`m away from that kind of gurus...

 

....And thank U for Ur kind wishes .

 

agreed there are lot of charlatans posing as guru and one have to be careful

and even test guru. but once you have choosen there is no scope of any doubt.

 

One`s psycological attitude doesn`t prove authenticity of guru. Fanatics are

free from doubts; but are they following sanmarga or are their leaders

necessarily great masters?

 

There is objective criteria. If one gets shaktipata (i mean real one, that is

blessing of Shakti) he has some things changed inside which will be evident.

Till one doesn`t have experience no use to go into that.

> By your posts in this group, i am certain that you have done extensive

research in various subject. But I think you haven't learnt to communicate with

anyone. You need little bit of introspection dear friend.

 

When i say something against common accepted (but wrong) views people start

viewing me as "having no knowledge", "in need of sadhana and introspection" and

what`s not. That is ok, we all need introspection.

 

Also don`t understand why U use expression "dear friend" while U do not feel

that. Manners? I would prefer people to speak sincerely...

> what do you know about the activities which siddharsham does from the money

which they 'make'? before judging anyone else judge yourself. i feel pity for

your ignorance.

 

I know some FACTS .

> may god bless you.

 

May He bless all of us.

 

A.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

@sankara,

I am thinking whether i should laugh or think at your challenge.

There is no one official here from siddhashram.org.

I have never been to the location myself but know some friends who performed

sadhanas from siddhashram and have manifested deities.

 

IMHO, your idea is childish as spiritual field is not like physical where u can

say turn the switch on and light comes on. And even if a guru can do it, why

should he do it just because you asked? His power is not so easy for anyone to

get, just challenge and get. Challenge for God's vision and anyone gets to see

God. Great idea :-(

 

Success as discussed here many times depends on your own Karmic defects and

efforts.

Guru's and sadhana's power removes those defects and then only one can get

success.

To see a solution to problem within certain time limit, one has to be completely

free of previous defects and then only effect of positive power acts upon that

problem. Otherwise that power will act on your previous defects and negative

forces.

 

As sophia mentioned, pre mature kundalini rising is not worth. Similarly, a

person who challenges something but his own level is not high enough to handle

the power from a sadhana is not gonna work even if the sadhana gives full power.

 

But once one is ready, then the result is obvious.

 

***********

you are right about people seeking solace when they are in problems, but those

problems have many causes, some from own faults, some from others and some from

previous sanskars. if it'd be that easy to solve any problem, you and me won't

be here, actually no one would be in trouble in the universe.

I agree there are fake gurus also, but let's not gerneralise that to everyone we

run into. We think only the one we know personally is great all others are fake

as it's hard to believe others. But that idea is baseless.

Challenging is easy as it'd benefit u in either way; if it's fulfilled-you got

solution for ur problem; if it is not fulfilled--you made your point that you

are right, but actually working on spiritual practice takes patience, proper

guidance and hard work.

If one is really seeking spiritual path, he/she should first try to look at

themselves before criticizing others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Arjun,

 

Jay Gurudev!

> It doesn`t say about equality. It says "sAkShAt parabrahma",

> manifestation of Parabrahma before our eyes.

 

exactly.

> If we go on taking every

> expression of Shastras literally we come to very odd conclusions.

> Agamas say "striyo devyaH" - would U say that every woman is identical

> to Goddess Herself?

> Then Vedas even say that "let guest be a god" (atithir devo bhava).

> Would U take it also literally?

 

if they are just said to be taken literally, and have no significance

in life, throw away all the so called religious texts.

 

> I`m grateful to Devi to have what She gave me.

 

am so happy for you.

> ...And thank U for Ur kind wishes .

 

you are welcome.

> One`s psycological attitude doesn`t prove authenticity of guru.

> Fanatics are free from doubts; but are they following sanmarga or are

> their leaders necessarily great masters?

 

rightly said. my guru teaches me to respect all gurus. not to

differentiate between two gurus.not to differentiate between guru and

shiva. chant gurumantra, gayatri mantra, chetna mantra daily without

fail. I just hope, i don't fall under yours fanatic defination.

 

> There is objective criteria. If one gets shaktipata (i mean real one,

> that is blessing of Shakti) he has some things changed inside which

> will be evident. Till one doesn`t have experience no use to go into

> that.

 

I have experienced shaktipaat and expressing the joy is beyond my vocabulary.

> When i say something against common accepted (but wrong) views people

> start viewing me as "having no knowledge", "in need of sadhana and

> introspection" and what`s not. That is ok, we all need introspection.

 

how are you so sure... why do my friend has to have confrontationist

attitude. why can't we learn more from you in better way. you may be

knowledgable, but lil bit of humility is all I ask. some years ago I

learnt, if one have to express his/her own prespective, forcing things

will make things worse.

> Also don`t understand why U use expression "dear friend" while U do

> not feel that. Manners? I would prefer people to speak sincerely...

 

Just because you disagree with me, doesn;t mean that you are my enemy.

Just to let you konw, I have high regards for you insights.

> I know some FACTS .

 

hope you have experienced yourself.. if yes please lets continue the

conversation in personal mail. Even I have lots of experience and

surprisingly for you, better ones.

 

Jay Gurudev!!

[Guest guest]

93

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Just one word.

> Most people turn Godward when they have insurmountable problems and

thats when the half baked "Gurus" pry on them. They are normally real

fat preys.

 

Yes. And exactly for this reason it is dangerous to postulate over-

priority of guru that several people did here.

We have to concider that things like "Even if vices of guru are

obvious U shouldn`t doubt his holiness" (Kularnava) were addressed to

those who had the capacity of proper understanding, sattarka. That

simply meant that before deciding that guru is wrong kaula has to see

deep into the situation and then judge. But in any case free Will is

above every limit. As Savior said, "Don`t do what is against Ur

heart". It is possible to separate from one guru and go to another;

moreover, sometimes it is needed.

Above all of us is God Almighty, Who is the only Truth and the only

Judge. We may notice that Mahanirvana-tantra says that the only base

of dharma in kali-yuga is satya. What does satya imply? First of all,

sincerety with urself and God. There is TRUTH that is above everything

and everyone, whether gurus, siddhas or whosoever. That Truth is God,

who is Love... If one turns away from Truth no guru helps then.

In the light of Truth one can see and judge whether certain people

claiming gurudom and whats not are right or not.

 

> I have a simple question.

> I will state a problem that has to be solved within time limits. How

many canguarentee a result. I will pay what they demand - but after

the event.

> Will someone in siddashram take up the offer?

 

Appreciate . Very reasonable question.

 

 

Best regards,

A.

[Guest guest]

I did not make that statement without basis.

 

 

 

I made it seriously to stimulate a discussion on what can be done and cannot be

done with mantra and tantra.

 

 

 

Fortunately I know how to deal with my problems and I really did not ask for

personal gain.

 

 

 

Now I shall take sentences from the reply and add my Comments.

 

 

 

***I have never been to the location myself but know some friends who performed

sadhanas from siddhashram and have manifested deities.**

 

 

 

so you have no firsthand knowledge. Manifesting deities? Whats so great about

it? Then do what? Was it material progress or spiritual progress that they were

after? Are you sure they manifested? And Can they manifest for others to see?

What did they gain?

 

 

****IMHO, your idea is childish as spiritual field is not like physical where u

can say turn the switch on and light comes on. And even if a guru can do it, why

should he do it just because you asked? His power is not so easy for anyone to

get, just challenge and get. Challenge for God's vision and anyone gets to see

God. Great idea :-(****

 

 

 

This is a standard answer. IMHO if the spiritual rules are the same. If a mantra

is recited as prescribed, the result SHOULD be there. But before that you look

at the karmic balance I agree. If the balance is negative first set it right and

as you say “pull the switch” the light WILL come on. Why should a Guru do it?

Because it is his job. Once one becomes a Guru it is not just his sweet will and

pleasure to “do” or “not to do” things. he has RESPONSIBLITIES. If someone asks,

it is his DUTY to see the karmic balance help that person right it and then tell

him what to do to get his problem solved. Some gurus even take on the Karmic

blocks and burns them off so that teh aspirant gets what he wants.

 

***Success as discussed here many times depends on your own Karmic defects and

efforts. Guru's and sadhana's power removes those defects and then only one can

get success.***

 

 

 

that’s what I said above”

 

 

 

***To see a solution to problem within certain time limit, one has to be

completely free of previous defects and then only effect of positive power acts

upon that problem. Otherwise that power will act on your previous defects and

negative forces.***

 

 

 

“how long does it take an adept to remove Karmic blocks? As far as I know for a

“real adept” it is instantaneous. Anyone who hums and haws about it and starts

giving excuses, not being able to produce the result, is just a traveler and not

one who has “reached”. We find so few people who have “reached” and the others

just trot out excuses.

 

***As sophia mentioned, pre mature kundalini rising is not worth. Similarly, a

person who challenges something but his own level is not high enough to handle

the power from a sadhana is not gonna work even if the sadhana gives full

power.***

 

 

 

“Challeging and inquiring is the basis of sadhana.

 

***But once one is ready, then the result is obvious.***

 

 

 

Again a very convenient thing to say as this gives an escape hatch to the

claimant.

 

 

 

***********

you are right about people seeking solace when they are in problems, but those

problems have many causes, some from own faults, some from others and some from

previous sanskars. if it'd be that easy to solve any problem, you and me won't

be here, actually no one would be in trouble in the universe.

 

 

 

Again a mistaken notion. There are samskaras and what not and we are given the

freedom to work them out or neutralise. It takes but an instant for an “adept”

to help neutralise them or give the sadhana to neutralise them “here and now”.

 

 

 

 

***I agree there are fake gurus also, but let's not generalise that to everyone

we run into. We think only the one we know personally is great all others are

fake as it's hard to believe others. But that idea is baseless.***

 

 

 

No one here said that His Guru alone is great. Have you visited the Siddhashram

site? I have. It had me laughing. They are the ones who say they solve any

problem. With that type of claims every one will be a prime minister or whatever

they want to be. The Guru’s job is to assess the deciple’s past samskaras, then

decide on a course of action. These people do not even need the man’s presence.

Diksha with picture? I dunno.

 

 

***Challenging is easy as it'd benefit u in either way; if it's fulfilled-you

got solution for ur problem; if it is not fulfilled--you made your point that

you are right, but actually working on spiritual practice takes patience, proper

guidance and hard work.***

 

 

 

A real adept will know whether it is a fair challenge or not!! Oh IC it takes

time, is it?? I did not know that!! Siddhashram site seems to talk of

instantaneous results.

 

 

 

 

***If one is really seeking spiritual path, he/she should first try to look at

themselves before criticizing others. ***

 

 

 

I DID NOT criticize any one. I was asking an open question.

 

What I saw here was a feeling that any person who asks questions is not a

sadhaka and is spiritually immature. I have rarely called anyone immature

because EVERYONE I HAVE MET HERE had something to say and teach. The reason I

stated this is because of the gentleman who wanted wealth teleportation and

whatnot with mantras.

 

 

 

I am sorry if I offended. I just wanted a topic opened for discussion. Please

pardon me, a mere traveller on the path who has reached nowhere if I sounded

offenceive. That was not my intention.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

"I will state a problem that has to be solved within time limits.

How many canguarentee a result. I will pay what they demand -

but after the event."

 

 

How do we know that you have the mental/intuitive wherewith to

understand the solution and implement it according to your

timetable?

 

Now that I have solved or at least identified the problem you may

make an anonymous annual donation to the charity of your

choice.

 

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, sankara menon

<kochu1tz> wrote:

> Just one word.

>

> Most people turn Godward when they have insurmountable

problems and thats when the half baked "Gurus" pry on them.

They are normally real fat preys.

>

> I have a simple question.

>

> I will state a problem that has to be solved within time limits.

How many canguarentee a result. I will pay what they demand -

but after the event.

>

> Will someone in siddashram take up the offer?

>

>

>

> Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

>

> 93

>

> , "Mithilesh"

<mithilesh_das wrote:

>

> wasn't it for guru how would you know who the God is. If you

think there are texts which can impart knowledge all i can do is

wish you good luck. thats is one more path to realize absolute

brahman.

>

> Texts themselves never bring to God. I never said they do.

>

> And it i GOD who makes us know Him. U may know God

without having Guru; but U will never have Guru until God wills .

>

> > Guru, in the word itself has very deep meaning. There is one

sloka in Guru Gita " gurur bramha...." what is you take on this

sloka. it equates guru to "par bramha".

>

> It doesn`t say about equality. It says "sAkShAt parabrahma",

manifestation of Parabrahma before our eyes. If we go on taking

every expression of Shastras literally we come to very odd

conclusions.Agamas say "striyo devyaH" - would U say that every

woman is identical

> to Goddess Herself? Then Vedas even say that "let guest be a

god" (atithir devo bhava). Would U take it also literally?

>

> > I pray to pujya gurudev to send you your guru. but the kind of

attitude and thinking you have for the guru; it will take ages

before you will have any 'knowledge'.

>

> I`m grateful to Devi to have what She gave me.

>

> Also i never had an idea to ask U or siddhashram`s people for

guidance. Happily i`m away from that kind of gurus...

>

> ...And thank U for Ur kind wishes .

>

> agreed there are lot of charlatans posing as guru and one

have to be careful and even test guru. but once you have

choosen there is no scope of any doubt.

>

> One`s psycological attitude doesn`t prove authenticity of guru.

Fanatics are free from doubts; but are they following sanmarga

or are their leaders necessarily great masters?

>

> There is objective criteria. If one gets shaktipata (i mean real

one, that is blessing of Shakti) he has some things changed

inside which will be evident. Till one doesn`t have experience no

use to go into that.

>

> > By your posts in this group, i am certain that you have done

extensive research in various subject. But I think you haven't

learnt to communicate with anyone. You need little bit of

introspection dear friend.

>

> When i say something against common accepted (but wrong)

views people start viewing me as "having no knowledge", "in

need of sadhana and introspection" and what`s not. That is ok,

we all need introspection.

>

> Also don`t understand why U use expression "dear friend"

while U do not feel that. Manners? I would prefer people to speak

sincerely...

>

> > what do you know about the activities which siddharsham

does from the money which they 'make'? before judging anyone

else judge yourself. i feel pity for your ignorance.

>

> I know some FACTS .

>

> > may god bless you.

>

> May He bless all of us.

>

> A.

>

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"I have never been to the location myself but know some friends

who performed sadhanas from siddhashram and have

manifested deities."

 

It would be better for all if you did not indulge in idle gossip.

 

At least use your beloved scientific method and see for yourself.

 

 

Omprem

 

 

, T N

<yogiman2003> wrote:

>

> @sankara,

> I am thinking whether i should laugh or think at your challenge.

> There is no one official here from siddhashram.org.

> I have never been to the location myself but know some friends

who performed sadhanas from siddhashram and have

manifested deities.

>

> IMHO, your idea is childish as spiritual field is not like physical

where u can say turn the switch on and light comes on. And even

if a guru can do it, why should he do it just because you asked?

His power is not so easy for anyone to get, just challenge and

get. Challenge for God's vision and anyone gets to see God.

Great idea :-(

>

> Success as discussed here many times depends on your own

Karmic defects and efforts.

> Guru's and sadhana's power removes those defects and then

only one can get success.

> To see a solution to problem within certain time limit, one has

to be completely free of previous defects and then only effect of

positive power acts upon that problem. Otherwise that power will

act on your previous defects and negative forces.

>

> As sophia mentioned, pre mature kundalini rising is not worth.

Similarly, a person who challenges something but his own level

is not high enough to handle the power from a sadhana is not

gonna work even if the sadhana gives full power.

>

> But once one is ready, then the result is obvious.

>

> ***********

> you are right about people seeking solace when they are in

problems, but those problems have many causes, some from

own faults, some from others and some from previous

sanskars. if it'd be that easy to solve any problem, you and me

won't be here, actually no one would be in trouble in the

universe.

> I agree there are fake gurus also, but let's not gerneralise that

to everyone we run into. We think only the one we know

personally is great all others are fake as it's hard to believe

others. But that idea is baseless.

> Challenging is easy as it'd benefit u in either way; if it's

fulfilled-you got solution for ur problem; if it is not fulfilled--you

made your point that you are right, but actually working on

spiritual practice takes patience, proper guidance and hard work.

> If one is really seeking spiritual path, he/she should first try to

look at themselves before criticizing others.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. i shall

 

omprem <omprem wrote:

"I will state a problem that has to be solved within time limits.

How many canguarentee a result. I will pay what they demand -

but after the event."

 

 

How do we know that you have the mental/intuitive wherewith to

understand the solution and implement it according to your

timetable?

 

Now that I have solved or at least identified the problem you may

make an anonymous annual donation to the charity of your

choice.

 

Omprem

 

 

, sankara menon

<kochu1tz> wrote:

> Just one word.

>

> Most people turn Godward when they have insurmountable

problems and thats when the half baked "Gurus" pry on them.

They are normally real fat preys.

>

> I have a simple question.

>

> I will state a problem that has to be solved within time limits.

How many canguarentee a result. I will pay what they demand -

but after the event.

>

> Will someone in siddashram take up the offer?

>

>

>

> Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

>

> 93

>

> , "Mithilesh"

<mithilesh_das wrote:

>

> wasn't it for guru how would you know who the God is. If you

think there are texts which can impart knowledge all i can do is

wish you good luck. thats is one more path to realize absolute

brahman.

>

> Texts themselves never bring to God. I never said they do.

>

> And it i GOD who makes us know Him. U may know God

without having Guru; but U will never have Guru until God wills .

>

> > Guru, in the word itself has very deep meaning. There is one

sloka in Guru Gita " gurur bramha...." what is you take on this

sloka. it equates guru to "par bramha".

>

> It doesn`t say about equality. It says "sAkShAt parabrahma",

manifestation of Parabrahma before our eyes. If we go on taking

every expression of Shastras literally we come to very odd

conclusions.Agamas say "striyo devyaH" - would U say that every

woman is identical

> to Goddess Herself? Then Vedas even say that "let guest be a

god" (atithir devo bhava). Would U take it also literally?

>

> > I pray to pujya gurudev to send you your guru. but the kind of

attitude and thinking you have for the guru; it will take ages

before you will have any 'knowledge'.

>

> I`m grateful to Devi to have what She gave me.

>

> Also i never had an idea to ask U or siddhashram`s people for

guidance. Happily i`m away from that kind of gurus...

>

> ...And thank U for Ur kind wishes .

>

> agreed there are lot of charlatans posing as guru and one

have to be careful and even test guru. but once you have

choosen there is no scope of any doubt.

>

> One`s psycological attitude doesn`t prove authenticity of guru.

Fanatics are free from doubts; but are they following sanmarga

or are their leaders necessarily great masters?

>

> There is objective criteria. If one gets shaktipata (i mean real

one, that is blessing of Shakti) he has some things changed

inside which will be evident. Till one doesn`t have experience no

use to go into that.

>

> > By your posts in this group, i am certain that you have done

extensive research in various subject. But I think you haven't

learnt to communicate with anyone. You need little bit of

introspection dear friend.

>

> When i say something against common accepted (but wrong)

views people start viewing me as "having no knowledge", "in

need of sadhana and introspection" and what`s not. That is ok,

we all need introspection.

>

> Also don`t understand why U use expression "dear friend"

while U do not feel that. Manners? I would prefer people to speak

sincerely...

>

> > what do you know about the activities which siddharsham

does from the money which they 'make'? before judging anyone

else judge yourself. i feel pity for your ignorance.

>

> I know some FACTS .

>

> > may god bless you.

>

> May He bless all of us.

>

> A.

>

>

>

>

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MODERATOR'S NOTE

 

Dear Friends:

I am pained at the sentence "I know no one really cares since I have

never posted before but maybe the owners of the group might care that someone

is leaving due to the disharmony of their group.". I have been noting a certain

element of tension in some posts. I did point out the lack of need to

personalise things.

I take this as Devi's adesha to get back on the path.

I request you to discuss issues. IF YOU WANT TO ASSERT A POINT ASSERT IT WITH

REFERENCE TO THE TEXT OR AUTHORITY. Then they can be met with other authorities.

Otherwise we may have to put people on moderated and then they will feel

offended.

 

Please accept devi's command

Love

Kochu

===========================================================================

 

I just joined this group with great anticipation this week. It is a very busy

group and that is great but you know what? So many of the posts are others

picking apart what one believes or has wisdom about and someone else does not

agree. I felt this group was going to be a place of peace and calm and I would

gain wisdom. I have gained wisdom, yes but the tension so obviously "posted"

btw members makes me feel very unsettled about the group. Too bad. I do not

think everyone agrees on everything but honestly, I did not expect this type

of bs here. I thank you for those that posted things that I will take in and

learn from but I must . I know no one really cares since I have

never posted before but maybe the owners of the group might care that someone

is leaving due to the disharmony of their group. Peace to all of you reading,

 

Lotus_Flowers

>

"I have never been to the location myself but know some friends

>

> who performed sadhanas from siddhashram and have

>

> manifested deities."

>

>

>

> It would be better for all if you did not indulge in idle gossip.

>

>

>

> At least use your beloved scientific method and see for yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

> Omprem

>

>

>

>

>

> , T N

>

> <yogiman2003> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > @sankara,

>

> > I am thinking whether i should laugh or think at your challenge.

>

> > There is no one official here from siddhashram.org.

>

> > I have never been to the location myself but know some friends

>

> who performed sadhanas from siddhashram and have

>

> manifested deities.

>

> > 

>

> > IMHO, your idea is childish as spiritual field is not like physical

>

> where u can say turn the switch on and light comes on. And even

>

> if a guru can do it, why should he do it just because you asked?

>

> His power is not so easy for anyone to get, just challenge and

>

> get. Challenge for God's vision and anyone gets to see God.

>

> Great idea :-(

>

> >

>

> > Success as discussed here many times depends on your own

>

> Karmic defects and efforts.

>

> > Guru's and sadhana's power removes those defects and then

>

> only one can get success.

>

> > To see a solution to problem within certain time limit, one has

>

> to be completely free of previous defects and then only effect of

>

> positive power acts upon that problem. Otherwise that power will

>

> act on your previous defects and negative forces.

>

> > 

>

> > As sophia mentioned, pre mature kundalini rising is not worth.

>

> Similarly, a person who challenges something but his own level

>

> is not high enough to handle the power from a sadhana is not

>

> gonna work even if the sadhana gives full power.

>

> > 

>

> > But once one is ready, then the result is obvious.

>

> > 

>

> > ***********

>

> > you are right about people seeking solace when they are in

>

> problems, but those problems have  many causes, some from

>

> own faults, some from others and some from previous

>

> sanskars. if it'd be that easy to solve any problem, you and me

>

> won't be here, actually no one would be in trouble in the

>

> universe.

>

> > I agree there are fake gurus also, but let's not gerneralise that

>

> to everyone we run into. We think only the one we know

>

> personally is great all others are fake as it's hard to believe

>

> others. But that idea is baseless.

>

> > Challenging is easy as it'd benefit u in either way; if it's

>

> fulfilled-you got solution for ur problem; if it is not fulfilled--you

>

> made your point that you are right, but actually working on

>

> spiritual practice takes patience, proper guidance and hard work.

>

> > If one is really seeking spiritual path, he/she should first try to

>

> look at themselves before criticizing others.

>

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we strive. We will succeed. We are here to give all we can.

Moderators

----- I would like to apologize for not wording that better. I did not truly

mean to imply that others don't care what I have to say. I know that isn't

entirely true...I think. I simply meant that I just joined and here I was

stating my opinion. Does that make sense? I could not unsuscribe quite yet. I

feel it is like not finishing a book...I want to see some harmony and peace and

then if it ceases to be I will quietly go...I hope I don't feel I have to. I

just have had enough negative energy in my existence to fill up several

lifetimes...I want to fill my life with wisdom and peace.

 

Lotus_Flowers

 

MODERATOR'S NOTE

 

Dear Friends:

I am pained at the sentence "I know no one really cares since I have

never posted before but maybe the owners of the group might care that

someone

is leaving due to the disharmony of their group.". I have been noting a

certain element of tension in some posts. I did point out the lack of need to

personalise things.

I take this as Devi's adesha to get back on the path.

I request you to discuss issues. IF YOU WANT TO ASSERT A POINT ASSERT IT

WITH REFERENCE TO THE TEXT OR AUTHORITY. Then they can be met with other

authorities.

Otherwise we may have to put people on moderated and then they will feel

offended.

 

Please accept devi's command

Love

Kochu

===========================================================================

 

I just joined this group with great anticipation this week. It is a very

busy

group and that is great but you know what? So many of the posts are others

picking apart what one believes or has wisdom about and someone else does

not

agree. I felt this group was going to be a place of peace and calm and I

would

gain wisdom. I have gained wisdom, yes but the tension so obviously "posted"

btw members makes me feel very unsettled about the group. Too bad. I do not

think everyone agrees on everything but honestly, I did not expect this type

of bs here. I thank you for those that posted things that I will take in and

learn from but I must . I know no one really cares since I have

never posted before but maybe the owners of the group might care that

someone

is leaving due to the disharmony of their group. Peace to all of you

reading,

 

Lotus_Flowers

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> "I have never been to the location myself but know some friends

>

> who performed sadhanas from siddhashram and have

>

> manifested deities."

>

>

>

> It would be better for all if you did not indulge in idle gossip.

>

>

>

> At least use your beloved scientific method and see for yourself.

>

>

>

>

>

> Omprem

>

>

>

>

>

> , T N

>

> <yogiman2003> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > @sankara,

>

> > I am thinking whether i should laugh or think at your challenge.

>

> > There is no one official here from siddhashram.org.

>

> > I have never been to the location myself but know some friends

>

> who performed sadhanas from siddhashram and have

>

> manifested deities.

>

> >

>

> > IMHO, your idea is childish as spiritual field is not like physical

>

> where u can say turn the switch on and light comes on. And even

>

> if a guru can do it, why should he do it just because you asked?

>

> His power is not so easy for anyone to get, just challenge and

>

> get. Challenge for God's vision and anyone gets to see God.

>

> Great idea :-(

>

> >

>

> > Success as discussed here many times depends on your own

>

> Karmic defects and efforts.

>

> > Guru's and sadhana's power removes those defects and then

>

> only one can get success.

>

> > To see a solution to problem within certain time limit, one has

>

> to be completely free of previous defects and then only effect of

>

> positive power acts upon that problem. Otherwise that power will

>

> act on your previous defects and negative forces.

>

> >

>

> > As sophia mentioned, pre mature kundalini rising is not worth.

>

> Similarly, a person who challenges something but his own level

>

> is not high enough to handle the power from a sadhana is not

>

> gonna work even if the sadhana gives full power.

>

> >

>

> > But once one is ready, then the result is obvious.

>

> >

>

> > ***********

>

> > you are right about people seeking solace when they are in

>

> problems, but those problems have many causes, some from

>

> own faults, some from others and some from previous

>

> sanskars. if it'd be that easy to solve any problem, you and me

>

> won't be here, actually no one would be in trouble in the

>

> universe.

>

> > I agree there are fake gurus also, but let's not gerneralise that

>

> to everyone we run into. We think only the one we know

>

> personally is great all others are fake as it's hard to believe

>

> others. But that idea is baseless.

>

> > Challenging is easy as it'd benefit u in either way; if it's

>

> fulfilled-you got solution for ur problem; if it is not fulfilled--you

>

> made your point that you are right, but actually working on

>

> spiritual practice takes patience, proper guidance and hard work.

>

> > If one is really seeking spiritual path, he/she should first try to

>

> look at themselves before criticizing others.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

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