Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular big deal in your opinion?-- DB] Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website – HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range with Hindu deities as the main motif. These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store were insensitive and unresponsive. It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: Harrods Ltd 87-135 Brompton Road Knightsbridge London SW1X 7XL Telephone 020 7730 1234 Facsimile 020 7581 0470 customer.services robertocavalli - London showroommilano press Milan info Florence URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I have not seen the items this article refers to, but depictions of Hindu deities that I have seen on clothing have been beautiful, and they bring these images into the eyes of people who otherwise would not see them. There are also Christian images on clothing. I haven't seen any Christian icons - or any others, for that matter - on toilet paper. But if our bodies are sacred, and made by God/dess, this does not need to be seen as an insult. My concern would be the die or ink used, and whether it's good to put that into the environment or on our skin. In a way, it would be wonderful if images of the Divine were all over, including on the silk boxer shorts that soldiers wear (per an earlier post about Robin Williams' comment). Mary Ann , "anupasyati" <anupasyati> wrote: > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina > Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an > appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults > hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website – > HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion > designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range > with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques > worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted > being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A > complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images > are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily > worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- > naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store > were insensitive and unresponsive. > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about > insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough > to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned > Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these > products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that > collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > Harrods Ltd > 87-135 Brompton Road > Knightsbridge > London > SW1X 7XL > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > customer.services@h... > > robertocavalli@p... - London > showroommilano@r... > press@r... Milan > info@r... Florence > > URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 In a message dated 6/7/2004 7:46:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maryann writes: > have not seen the items this article refers to, but depictions of > Hindu deities that I have seen on clothing have been beautiful, and > they bring these images into the eyes of people who otherwise would > not see them. Yeah, but if somebody did the same with Christian imagery, they would be in an uproar. I understand what you say about the body being sacred, but it still seems to trivialize the meaning behind the images and stands as another example of common ignorance. The trendy fashionable facination with Hindu images does bother me, because half the people wearing this stuff have no real idea as to what it is truly about. Probably the best thing to do is giggle at their foolishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 The people doing this obviously have no faith in the dieties as it is a western designer. Your right, put Allah Hu Akbar on a pair of panties and see what happens hahah There are plenty of Tantrik rituals involving what are normally consdiering "polluting" activities, but do not take out of context. They are very specific transmutive rituals, not commonly performed acts. If it's not wrong then they would be sold in India which is the home of Hinduism, but they aren't being sold or made their because the people to whom this religion belongs would simply not allow it. I understand your take on this Maryann, but just think of who is producing these items....they aren't really doing it as a pro-spiritual statement that the body is Holy, they are just capitalising on a religious themed novelty at other peoples expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 In a message dated 6/8/2004 1:07:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kochu1tz writes: > What happened to the spiritual idea that whether someone > insults you or compliments you, joy and happiness are yours no matter what, > and you continue to love unconditionally? Is it really so that someone is > doing these things to insult Hindus? Aren't there tantric rituals involving > urine? Are there any involving > excrement? Why are the natural processes of the body being seen as insulting > to Hindu deities or Hindu beliefs? > Even Ramakrishna was seen as blasphemous by some due to his actions, it became clear that his actions were not that of an ordinary man but a Saint. It's all about motivation. Ramakrishna did not slap the Dakshinswar Kali Murti and ask why it was not eating the food because he was trying to make a buck! He was possessed by the spirit of the divine. This Italian designer moron is possessed by the spirit of the Euro. There is a big difference. It is all about money. Like I said, I can see your point and perhaps in another context it could be a pious act, but this man is simply a bokachoda without any idea as to what he is doing. I also believe in the reality of the gods and if he pisses them off enough his luck will go bad. Anyone who cares can also help in that process! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 The best way to react would be to bring out bikinis with koranic quotations in the name of this designer. Then the islaists will take care of him. Let him protest as much as possible. No one will believe him. I know the Indian diaspora will know how to do it. Anyway he will be responsible for a Hindu backlash as it will certainly come (especially now that BJP is out of power in india). He will ultimatly be responsible for the death of quite a few westerners. The broup should also contemplate legal action for hurting hindu sentiments. anupasyati <anupasyati wrote: [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular big deal in your opinion?-- DB] Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website – HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range with Hindu deities as the main motif. These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store were insensitive and unresponsive. It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: Harrods Ltd 87-135 Brompton Road Knightsbridge London SW1X 7XL Telephone 020 7730 1234 Facsimile 020 7581 0470 customer.services robertocavalli - London showroommilano press Milan info Florence URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ / Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 What happened to the spiritual idea that whether someone insults you or compliments you, joy and happiness are yours no matter what, and you continue to love unconditionally? Is it really so that someone is doing these things to insult Hindus? Aren't there tantric rituals involving urine? Are there any involving excrement? Why are the natural processes of the body being seen as insulting to Hindu deities or Hindu beliefs? In response to another post on this topic, there ARE items of clothing with Christian icons on them in stores I have seen, and the renderings are as colorful and beautiful as the Hindu ones. , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > The best way to react would be to bring out bikinis with koranic quotations in the name of this designer. Then the islaists will take care of him. Let him protest as much as possible. No one will believe him. I know the Indian diaspora will know how to do it. > > Anyway he will be responsible for a Hindu backlash as it will certainly come (especially now that BJP is out of power in india). > > He will ultimatly be responsible for the death of quite a few westerners. > The broup should also contemplate legal action for hurting hindu sentiments. > > anupasyati <anupasyati> wrote: > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina > Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an > appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults > hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website – > HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion > designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range > with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques > worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted > being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A > complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images > are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily > worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- > naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store > were insensitive and unresponsive. > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about > insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough > to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned > Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these > products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that > collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > Harrods Ltd > 87-135 Brompton Road > Knightsbridge > London > SW1X 7XL > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > customer.services@h... > > robertocavalli@p... - London > showroommilano@r... > press@r... Milan > info@r... Florence > > URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 The dieties are kept in pure environment for worship and not near places where human excrements could be present. Shakti sadhana is not totally upto your wildest imaginations. The dieties themself will find a way to take care of these ***s , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > I have not seen the items this article refers to, but depictions of > Hindu deities that I have seen on clothing have been beautiful, and > they bring these images into the eyes of people who otherwise would > not see them. There are also Christian images on clothing. I haven't > seen any Christian icons - or any others, for that matter - on toilet > paper. But if our bodies are sacred, and made by God/dess, this does > not need to be seen as an insult. My concern would be the die or ink > used, and whether it's good to put that into the environment or on > our skin. In a way, it would be wonderful if images of the Divine > were all over, including on the silk boxer shorts that soldiers wear > (per an earlier post about Robin Williams' comment). > > Mary Ann > > , "anupasyati" <anupasyati> > wrote: > > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is > circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. > What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular > big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina > > Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an > > appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults > > hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our > website – > > HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion > > designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range > > with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques > > worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted > > being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A > > complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images > > are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily > > worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- > > naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > > However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store > > were insensitive and unresponsive. > > > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about > > insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough > > to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every > concerned > > Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these > > products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that > > collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > > > Harrods Ltd > > 87-135 Brompton Road > > Knightsbridge > > London > > SW1X 7XL > > > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > > > customer.services@h... > > > > robertocavalli@p... - London > > showroommilano@r... > > press@r... Milan > > info@r... Florence > > > > URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Its not that simple Mary Ann. Are you aware that Christian groups are paying to link to Hindu and with innocent named sites and its only when you enter that we come across subtle Christian propaganda? What clothing have u seen? Underwear? Or just tea shirts and the like? Have you seen Christ on toilet seats? Have you seen Christ and Mary on toilet paper? These are part of subtle conversion propaganda. "Live and let live" should be the motto. When one breaks the bounds of decency there will be reaction. I react strongly because I have faced Caucasian racism (but fought and won). Are you aware that certain children and families have had psychological problems after reading the trash written about Ganesha by some person claiming to be a "Hindu Scholar"? All these are subtle attacks on an ancient system by organized Christianity. In all probability the idea was given to this Italian fellow by someone connected with Church. I can say it because i live in the diplomatic community and I know how these sick ideas are purveyed day in and day out in the name of "psy-ops". So I recognize a psy-op when i see one. Normally Hindus would just laugh off. But there is a time when this becomes serious. It has become serious now. The intent of the psy-op. seems to be to wean away westerners (these underwear and toilet paper will never be seen in India. But it is targeting the Hindu Diaspora and westerners. That’s why it is being opposed. Let’s not have an inter-religious war. Do you know that a person called Staines (a so called "missionary") was killed in India along with two INNOCENT children? Do you know what he was doing (as told to me by an officer who investigated the matter) this person was creating Hindu idols with unburnt clay and images of Christ and Mary with clay and then properly fired. he used to go to villages and before them put both idols in water and when the unburnt images get dissolved claim that the Christian Gods have annihilated the Hindu ones!! Subtle psy-op. and what did it result in? His death and death of two small INNOCENTS. Then the claim is that he gave up life for Christ!! So what’s the difference between this fellow and the jihadis? Jihadis die after killing and are extolled. This fellow was killed for his psy-op and is now extolled. I do not agree that he should have been killed. But these things happen. These actions lead to violence and unnecessary suffering. Hence the need to oppose these. Let me also add Hinuism has had such onslaughts for millennia. We will survie. But reaction will be there. Mary Ann <maryann wrote: What happened to the spiritual idea that whether someone insults you or compliments you, joy and happiness are yours no matter what, and you continue to love unconditionally? Is it really so that someone is doing these things to insult Hindus? Aren't there tantric rituals involving urine? Are there any involving excrement? Why are the natural processes of the body being seen as insulting to Hindu deities or Hindu beliefs? In response to another post on this topic, there ARE items of clothing with Christian icons on them in stores I have seen, and the renderings are as colorful and beautiful as the Hindu ones. , sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: The best way to react would be to bring out bikinis with koranic quotations in the name of this designer. Then the islaists will take care of him. Let him protest as much as possible. No one will believe him. I know the Indian diaspora will know how to do it. Anyway he will be responsible for a Hindu backlash as it will certainly come (especially now that BJP is out of power in india). He will ultimatly be responsible for the death of quite a few westerners. The group should also contemplate legal action for hurting hindu sentiments. anupasyati <anupasyati wrote: [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular big deal in your opinion?-- DB] Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website – HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range with Hindu deities as the main motif. These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half-naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store were insensitive and unresponsive. It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: Harrods Ltd 87-135 Brompton Road Knightsbridge London SW1X 7XL Telephone 020 7730 1234 Facsimile 020 7581 0470 customer.services@h... robertocavalli@p... - London showroommilano@r... press@r... Milan info@r... Florence URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 I am not doubting what you know about the racism you have experienced, and I hope I don't seem like I am. There are people who are full of all kinds of gross hatreds, like the supposed clergyman here in the US who wants to erect a statue honoring the men who killed Matthew Shepard, a young gay man, in a hate crime. There are racist people in the US who think all black people should go back to Africa. It's true that steps and measures should be taken when needed to protect people from this kind of element, but I also think that giving energy to those elements strengthens them, too, and that such steps or measures need to be taken with as much consciousness as possible so that doesn't happen. I think the propagandists aren't all that subtle. Also, they live in their own muck, but others who don't live in muck don't live there and don't want to. I have seen t-shirts and other tops with Christian and Hindu icons, deities, etc. I have not seen toilet paper or seats of either. But I've seen Christ on little night lights, and on springs on dashboards, and paintings on velvet. I've seen plenty of tacky Christian stuff - the kind of stuff Jesus would have overturned with the merchants' table in the temple. And a lot of it is made by people who are Christian and probably think what they are doing is good! , sankara menon <kochu1tz> wrote: > > Its not that simple Mary Ann. Are you aware that Christian groups are paying to link to Hindu and with innocent named sites and its only when you enter that we come across subtle Christian propaganda? > > What clothing have u seen? Underwear? Or just tea shirts and the like? Have you seen Christ on toilet seats? Have you seen Christ and Mary on toilet paper? These are part of subtle conversion propaganda. > > "Live and let live" should be the motto. When one breaks the bounds of decency there will be reaction. > > I react strongly because I have faced Caucasian racism (but fought and won). > > Are you aware that certain children and families have had psychological problems after reading the trash written about Ganesha by some person claiming to be a "Hindu Scholar"? > > All these are subtle attacks on an ancient system by organized Christianity. In all probability the idea was given to this Italian fellow by someone connected with Church. I can say it because i live in the diplomatic community and I know how these sick ideas are purveyed day in and day out in the name of "psy-ops". So I recognize a psy-op when i see one. > > Normally Hindus would just laugh off. But there is a time when this becomes serious. It has become serious now. The intent of the psy-op. seems to be to wean away westerners (these underwear and toilet paper will never be seen in India. But it is targeting the Hindu Diaspora and westerners. > > That's why it is being opposed. Let's not have an inter-religious war. > > Do you know that a person called Staines (a so called "missionary") was killed in India along with two INNOCENT children? Do you know what he was doing (as told to me by an officer who investigated the matter) this person was creating Hindu idols with unburnt clay and images of Christ and Mary with clay and then properly fired. he used to go to villages and before them put both idols in water and when the unburnt images get dissolved claim that the Christian Gods have annihilated the Hindu ones!! Subtle psy-op. and what did it result in? His death and death of two small INNOCENTS. > > Then the claim is that he gave up life for Christ!! So what's the difference between this fellow and the jihadis? Jihadis die after killing and are extolled. This fellow was killed for his psy-op and is now extolled. > > I do not agree that he should have been killed. But these things happen. These actions lead to violence and unnecessary suffering. Hence the need to oppose these. > > Let me also add Hinuism has had such onslaughts for millennia. We will survie. But reaction will be there. > > Mary Ann <maryann@m... wrote: > > What happened to the spiritual idea that whether someone > insults you or compliments you, joy and happiness are yours no matter what, and you continue to love unconditionally? Is it really so that someone is doing these things to insult Hindus? Aren't there tantric rituals involving urine? Are there any involving > excrement? Why are the natural processes of the body being seen as insulting to Hindu deities or Hindu beliefs? > > In response to another post on this topic, there ARE items of clothing with Christian icons on them in stores I have seen, and the renderings are as colorful and beautiful as the Hindu ones. > > > , sankara menon > <kochu1tz wrote: > > The best way to react would be to bring out bikinis with koranic quotations in the name of this designer. Then the islaists will take care of him. Let him protest as much as possible. No one will believe him. I know the Indian diaspora will know how to do it. > > Anyway he will be responsible for a Hindu backlash as it will certainly come (especially now that BJP is out of power in india). > > He will ultimatly be responsible for the death of quite a few westerners. The group should also contemplate legal action for hurting hindu sentiments. > > anupasyati <anupasyati wrote: > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website – HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli > boutiques worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our > daily worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half-naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > > However, when the complaint was raised the management of > the store were insensitive and unresponsive. > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > Harrods Ltd > 87-135 Brompton Road > Knightsbridge > London > SW1X 7XL > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > customer.services@h... > > robertocavalli@p... - London > showroommilano@r... > press@r... 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Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Mary Ann you say you have not seen these articles of clothing..well www.hinduhumanrights.org and see how the pics are on the crotch area of bikins..whats so spiritual about that..?..This "toleration" and how "nothing is blasphemous in Hinduism" is taken way to far to the extent Hinduism becomes a laughing stock, a method of degrading our religion, I accept you are a different "spiritual" level to me(I dont mean this sarcastically) but try to view this in relation to other religions..would this designer have other religious deities on his collection..NO..he thought about the backlash, as he knew it was disrespectul to do this, however Hindus will very rarely voice their opinons, they are an easy target. For those of you that are disgusted with this collection, please voice your complaints to the addresses provided Thank you. How about we have pics of Gods on the bottom of our shoes so we stamp on them each time we walk...? Is that beauty/spirituality/advertising/ or will u be concerned about the ink used there too...?????? , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > I have not seen the items this article refers to, but depictions of > Hindu deities that I have seen on clothing have been beautiful, and > they bring these images into the eyes of people who otherwise would > not see them. There are also Christian images on clothing. I haven't > seen any Christian icons - or any others, for that matter - on toilet > paper. But if our bodies are sacred, and made by God/dess, this does > not need to be seen as an insult. My concern would be the die or ink > used, and whether it's good to put that into the environment or on > our skin. In a way, it would be wonderful if images of the Divine > were all over, including on the silk boxer shorts that soldiers wear > (per an earlier post about Robin Williams' comment). > > Mary Ann > > , "anupasyati" <anupasyati> > wrote: > > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is > circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. > What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular > big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina > > Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an > > appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults > > hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our > website – > > HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion > > designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range > > with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques > > worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted > > being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A > > complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images > > are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily > > worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- > > naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > > However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store > > were insensitive and unresponsive. > > > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about > > insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough > > to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every > concerned > > Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these > > products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that > > collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > > > Harrods Ltd > > 87-135 Brompton Road > > Knightsbridge > > London > > SW1X 7XL > > > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > > > customer.services@h... > > > > robertocavalli@p... - London > > showroommilano@r... > > press@r... Milan > > info@r... Florence > > > > URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 I would rather protest over printing images of Hindu Deities on toilet paper or toilet seats. (Who do we write to?) Images of Deities on clothing can indicate an appreciation of Hindu art, which can lead to a desire to worship and revere them (at least, that's why I have some clothes and jewelry with images of Hindu Gods on them!). And I'm not too upset about such images on "half naked" vacationers. Different cultures have different attitudes about what is acceptable dress, and in tropical India, the traditional garb (as portrayed in ancient sculpture) can well be described as "half naked." When taking Westerners to a Hindu Temple, I frequently get asked (by women), "Isn't it more respectful to wear a skirt to Temple than a pair of slacks?" I must explain that bare female legs are not allowed, and a short skirt will flash underwear at the priests when you sit on the floor. On the male side, I don't understand why Western males are discouraged from wearing short pants when attending Temple, but Eastern male devotees can wear a dhoti. I think I (and others!) would better accept the use of Deity images on clothes if the manufacturers included a card or booklet giving information on the Deity's appropriate worship, and perhaps an address of a related Temple where donations could be sent. But the toilet articles with Gods on them seem just plain rude to me. THAT I would protest. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:10:24 -0000 "anupasyati" <anupasyati writes: > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is > circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. > What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular > big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina > Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an > appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults > hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website > – > HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion > designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range > with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques > worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted > being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A > complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images > are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily > worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- > naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store > were insensitive and unresponsive. > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about > insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough > to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned > > Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these > products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that > collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > Harrods Ltd > 87-135 Brompton Road > Knightsbridge > London > SW1X 7XL > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > customer.services > > robertocavalli - London > showroommilano > press Milan > info Florence > > URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 clothes are OK. I have a T shirt with Ganapati I intend making one with my vaaraahi. But bikini? as for it being "aceptable"; I had a swedish colleague and when we all went to the beaches at Zanzibar and some photos taken, this girl put a sarong on saying I do not want my pics taken in my underwear. So much for common attitudes in the west *smile*. And I do not think temples in india need donations from such bikini wearers. kalipadma wrote: I would rather protest over printing images of Hindu Deities on toilet paper or toilet seats. (Who do we write to?) Images of Deities on clothing can indicate an appreciation of Hindu art, which can lead to a desire to worship and revere them (at least, that's why I have some clothes and jewelry with images of Hindu Gods on them!). And I'm not too upset about such images on "half naked" vacationers. Different cultures have different attitudes about what is acceptable dress, and in tropical India, the traditional garb (as portrayed in ancient sculpture) can well be described as "half naked." When taking Westerners to a Hindu Temple, I frequently get asked (by women), "Isn't it more respectful to wear a skirt to Temple than a pair of slacks?" I must explain that bare female legs are not allowed, and a short skirt will flash underwear at the priests when you sit on the floor. On the male side, I don't understand why Western males are discouraged from wearing short pants when attending Temple, but Eastern male devotees can wear a dhoti. I think I (and others!) would better accept the use of Deity images on clothes if the manufacturers included a card or booklet giving information on the Deity's appropriate worship, and perhaps an address of a related Temple where donations could be sent. But the toilet articles with Gods on them seem just plain rude to me. THAT I would protest. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:10:24 -0000 "anupasyati" writes: > [Moderator's Note: The "Hindu Human Rights" organization is > circulating this latest report of alleged insult to Hindu Dharma. > What do you think? Will you join the protest? Or is it no particular > big deal in your opinion?-- DB] > > Following on from the Merchant-Ivory project to have rock star Tina > Turner depict Hindu Goddess Kali , Hindu deities making an > appearance on toilet seats and toilet paper among other insults > hurled at Hindus – some of which we have highlighted on our website > – > HHR has learnt of another disturbing development. Italian fashion > designer Roberto Cavalli has unveiled a new bikini/underwear range > with Hindu deities as the main motif. > > These items are being displayed in all Roberto Cavalli boutiques > worldwide as well as other outlets.These products were also spotted > being displayed in the famous Harrods of Knightsbridge, London. A > complaint was immediately made – explaining how these same images > are kept in Hindu homes the world over and form part of our daily > worship. To see these same images on underwear to be worn by half- > naked women on their summer holidays is deeply insulting to Hindus. > However, when the complaint was raised the management of the store > were insensitive and unresponsive. > > It is regretful that businesses feel no need to show concern about > insulting Hindus and Hinduism. One Hindu's complaint was not enough > to move Harrods to act. Therefore, we recommend that every concerned > > Hindu writes to Harrods and every other boutique stocking these > products as well as Roberto Cavalli himself. We hope that that > collective voice will lead to more action. Please write/email: > > Harrods Ltd > 87-135 Brompton Road > Knightsbridge > London > SW1X 7XL > > Telephone 020 7730 1234 > Facsimile 020 7581 0470 > > customer.services > > robertocavalli - London > showroommilano > press Milan > info Florence > > URL For Source: www.hinduhumanrights.org/ > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 I took a look at the website that had a photo of one of the bikinis in question. There is so little material to these bathing suits, it is hard for me to tell who the Deity is that is printed on these tiny swatches of cloth! Is it Ma Lakshmi? I can't be sure. ("No, Miss! I'm not being fresh, I'm just trying to determine the identity of the Goddess on your bikini...") I can see one of my female friends (who likes Indian art) possibly purchasing and wearing such a swimsuit -- probably wearing a robe or sarong over it, as she doesn't like to expose THAT much skin! And she'd use the bikini's design as an opportunity to talk about goddesses with people (she's fond of all sorts of goddesses, Hindu, Celtic, Greek, whatever). But I imagine that the intended typical purchaser of these bikinis is some socialite on the Riviera, who doesn't know (or care) who the Deity portrayed is. It DOES trivialize Hinduism. I wonder if the Italian designer would make bikinis with images of Catholic saints on them? It also occurs to me that the T-shirts and prayer shawls I own (and wear) with Hindu Deities on them were purchased from Yoga centers, Indian Import stores, or other Hindu-owned organizations, so at least the profit goes back to the Hindu community. Kochu -- what do you think of American companies that sell statues of Hindu deities? One such company I know of has <murthie> makers in Calcutta casting and hand-painting such statues out of Ganges clay. They import and sell them to American Neo-Pagans; often the statues end up as dust-collecting nick-nacks on a shelf. And aren't Ganges clay <murthies> meant to be worshipped for a specific purpose, and then dissolved into a nearby river? There are a number of Tibetan import stores here in New York. They sell clothes, jewelry, incense, and books. But most refuse to sell <rupahs> (deity statues), insisting that you must have received initiation and have a Guru before you can own (and presumably worship) a Tibetan Buddhist Deity image. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT) sankara menon <kochu1tz writes: > > clothes are OK. I have a T shirt with Ganapati > > I intend making one with my vaaraahi. > > But bikini? > > as for it being "aceptable"; I had a swedish colleague and when we > all went to the beaches at Zanzibar and some photos taken, this girl > put a sarong on saying I do not want my pics taken in my underwear. > So much for common attitudes in the west *smile*. > > And I do not think temples in india need donations from such bikini > wearers. > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Beloveds, Some people have been writing in this thread with statements like "the underwear is insulting our gods", or "the gods will take care of this ****, but we should help the process along". Are these Hindu Gods really so weak that they get harmed by a set of underwear? Are they really so weak that they can't bring down divine retribution on this guy without your help? Are they really so petty that they would bring down divine retribution on him in the first place? If this is the case, they really aren't worth worshipping. But of course, what is really the case, is that certain peoples' "beliefs" are so weak and vulnerable that they can't stand anything that challenges their dogma. When you are full of "beliefs" instead of truth, it can be easy to feel challenged by things that would not bother someone who was at peace with his truth. This is why religious fanatics have to lash out violently at anything that challenges their world view, because within themselves they are uncertain; they know, deep within themselves, that they are following a lie. Whenever a religious fanatic represses someone else, it is really because they are repressing themselves. Love Swami Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 the Goddess is Saraswati. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > I took a look at the website that had a photo of one of the bikinis in > question. There is so little material to these bathing suits, it is hard > for me to tell who the Deity is that is printed on these tiny swatches of > cloth! Is it Ma Lakshmi? I can't be sure. ("No, Miss! I'm not being > .com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Hindus who do not accept the concept of "anything goes" do not automatically become "fundamentalist type beliefs", they are voicing what their inner voice and dharma is telling them to do so..this is a natural instinct of humans. Gods are not harmed by mere underwear..but to the extent of how they are ridiculed..arent xtians complaining how there is a picture of Sonia Gandhi as Mary and Manmohan singh as Jesus....are they fanatics too...?(or do Hindus just limit this criticism to other fellow Hindus). Try persuading them their God is weak, their beliefs do not hold or their God is not worth worshipping because the picture was done in the name of "art"!!!! We as individual have different trails of thought and personally I do not follow this "critise and you are a fanatic" thought!!! Swami ji you may well stand back and continue with bhakti and prayer but this does not mean you should charge fellow Hindus as fanatics if they "dare" to voice an opinion that you disagree with. Allow each to follow their own path of Dharma. By the way... Harrods have withdrawn this collection from their store and the BBC and other media parities have shown an interest in this protest. so thank you guys for mailing them. , Swami Anand Nisarg <swamiji_nisarg> wrote: > > Beloveds, > > Some people have been writing in this thread with > statements like "the underwear is insulting our gods", > ./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 , Jose Rosa <master4114> wrote: > Swami Anand Nisarg: > > I totally agreed with you and this is a perfect email > to learn from. At times I have wondered why people > tend to be so opiniated about a subject or fixated on > a "belief" and in my mind seem to be on the offensive. > > Jose > > Yoga Sutra > > 1:24. God is a particular yet universal indweller, > untouched by afflictions, actions, impressions and > their results. GOD IS. Meditate on those two words you will find the answer. When someone takes your parent's picture and they spit and jump on it, it is not hurting your parents at all, that everybody knows and yet how many will silently stare and wish the person doing it all blessings and love ? Very few. GOD IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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