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In a message dated 07/04/2002 1:11:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

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<< "What is the stake, the investment in all of this rancor, for Zenbob?" >>

 

and what is it for Robert?

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Dear Brother,

 

Perhaps it might be a kinder and wiser part of this sangha communion

to leave

the puberty of Alpha Male contests to the goats, eh?

 

Perhaps then you might just stop

and ask:

"What is the stake, the investment in all of this rancor, for Zenbob?"

 

Would you indulge me for a moment while I share part of a little

Story here with you and all?

 

 

Chapter 4

 

 

 

Pagan Babies (1)

 

 

"We become that upon which we meditate."

Muktananda

 

 

At the Catholic school in which I was enrolled in the 1950's, the

usual curriculum routine was occasionally set aside for "Audio-

Visual" presentations. Students were gathered into the auditorium,

lights were dimmed, and the whir of a film projector signaled the

beginning of another movie about precautions to be observed in the

event of a nuclear attack. This one was different, however. I was 9

years old, and as I watched the flickering images of babies, covered

with swarming flies, dying of starvation in some country I had never

heard of, my own young heart was burned. In fact, by the end of the

film I was on the verge of passing out until the lights came on and

an earnest missionary appeared in front of the assembled students. As

I listened intently to this Soldier of Christ, the mission which was

soon to dominate my life took form. In a vision of service not unlike

dressing the sacred wounds of Jesus, the task before me was suddenly

and undoubtedly made clear.

The missionary promised that, if each student was able to somehow

contribute $5.00, they would be able to adopt one of these "pagan

babies". Not only would it be "saved" but, as a side benefit, each

child would get to share the name of the contributor who had donated

the sum.

$5.00 seemed like a lot of money, but no obstacle was going to deter

me in my newfound crusade. I immediately threw myself into a fervor

of coin collecting. I started out using all of my milk money, but

found that wasn't nearly enough. Every minute another child was

dying! I began going into my father's pants pocket at night, after my

parents went to sleep. Each time I would take just a few dimes or

nickels to contribute, reasoning that they didn't need the money as

much as the pagan babies. I approached all of my visiting relatives,

as well as my parents' friends, soliciting spare change for the

mission. I would search the street on my way to and from school,

looking for any fallen coins that might go to the cause. There was a

girl next door who walked with crutches from polio, and I offered to

help her to school. When her parents inquired into my generosity, I

told them of the suffering of the innocents, and they were happy to

offer me a quarter each week for his help.

Soon I broadened my view to include the neighborhood as potential

recipients of goodwill. I began to take my bagged lunch and parcel

elements of it into people's mailboxes as I walked the girl to

school. I felt that it was better for me to go hungry than to have

anybody else in the world go hungry. By the time I arrived at class,

I had an empty bag but my heart was a little fuller.

Next I got a job as a paper boy, rising when it was still dark to

travel the streets delivering the news and forwarding my earnings

towards the pagan babies. At sunrise, I would pause for a moment and

pray to God that this new day would bring relief to the children.

I borrowed money from other kids. I traded baseball cards for coins.

I felt that I was doing something, but it was just not enough. I

knelt by my bed on the floor night after night, praying to Jesus to

intercede in His Mercy. Then I went to the Virgin Mary, Mother of

God. Then I went to the saints. Then to the angels. Then to anybody I

might have forgotten. The pagan babies needed all the help they could

get.

 

The nuns were amazed at my fund raising. Somewhere in Africa there

were now, hypothetically, about 20 or 30 people with my name on some

catholic certificate, saved from a life of certain starvation. I did

not feel good about this, however. There were so many more! So many!

It seemed the task was hopeless. How could I save them all?

Meanwhile, my parents started getting calls from the neighbors,

thanking them for the bananas and sandwiches, but asking for the

rationale behind such postal contributions. When my father and mother

confronted me, I told them about the starving children, the desperate

suffering pagan babies. They were not as convinced as I that giving

my lunch to the neighbors was the best tactic, nor were they amused

when I confessed that I had been taking their money to fund my

campaign to alleviate world hunger.

I sank into a profound dilemma about the whole thing. I wanted to

give everything -- my life even -- to save others from suffering. I

could not bear to see anyone suffer! I felt no peace, knowing that

the pagan babies were crying for milk somewhere. The situation seemed

unresolvable.

 

By the time I turned 13, I had already decided to enter a catholic

seminary to become a priest and dedicate myself completely to a life

of unselfish service. Everyone seemed to agree that this was the best

thing, given my unusual inclinations.

 

 

 

 

 

Chapter 9

 

Pagan Babies (2)

 

 

When I finally returned to San Francisco, I moved in with some

friends I had met while still a seminarian, and who were active in

the Peace effort. They lived in the Haight-Asbury District – the

colorful home of the emerging Hippie Movement. One day I picked up

and read the Bhagavad Gita – an ancient Hindu Bible -- and this

little book had a profound and lasting impact on me. As I read the

verse:

 

"He who does My work, who is devoted to Me and loves Me, who is free

from attachment and from enmity to all beings, goes to Me."

 

a resonant epiphany rang in my heart. I proceeded to look up

meditation in the phone book, found a Zen Center nearby, and began

studying Buddhist practices geared towards the discovery of the truth

of one's own nature. To really serve others, I now believed, I needed

to "know myself" first, and this seemed like a good place to start.

Many of my friends were now experimenting with the growing counter-

cultural movement sweeping the nation, and by a play world had of

fortune I living right in the epicenter of all that. I eagerly drank

in all that this new world was serving up, but what most appealed to

me was the focus on universal love woven within the songs and

proclamations of this emerging vision. Nevertheless, I had learned by

now that vision without action is a dream, just as action without

vision is a nightmare. I was still propelled by that early call

to "do something" about all the suffering around me.

At the time, the Viet Nam War was in full gear and, having forsaken

my theological deferment upon leaving the seminary, I soon became the

recipient of the dreaded draft notice, requiring me to report for a

physical in preparation for induction into the army. I did not want

to shoot people, I only wanted to feed them. Consequently, I applied

for Conscientious Objector status, necessitating an appearance before

the Draft Board to argue my case.

When I stood before the esteemed assembly of citizens who were trying

to turn me into a weapon of democracy, I explained as patiently as

possible how a number of people "over there" probably had the same

name as mine by now, and I did not feel inclined to go shooting at

them after spending so much time and effort to feed them. Apparently,

this was convincing enough to Board, and so I began 2 years of

Alternate Service as a Child Care Counselor at a residential

treatment center in rural Northern California for emotionally scarred

pre-adolescents.

I was assigned to a group of 10 very unhappy and bewildered boys, and

I loved them and hugged them and watched over them, and also made

sure that they ate properly. I had the kitchen substitute fresh

fruits and vegetables for the standard white sugar and flour

products, and with my own money purchased multivitamins for the

children, rather than administer the potent "meds" (Thorazine,

Ritalin, etc.) that were prescribed to pharmacologically "manage"

their behavior. Rather than letting them sit around and watch violent

cartoons on the weekends, I would load them into the van and take

them to the parks and beaches of Northern California, and let these

inner-city kids get the feeling for the freedom singing through

nature. At bedtime, I would give them tender backrubs, and tell them

little stories about love.

 

 

(SNPPING PART NOT RELEVANT TO THIS POST}

 

 

 

Chapter 13

 

Pagan Babies (3)

 

 

"Someone who goes with half a loaf of bread to a

small place that fits like a nest around him,

someone who wants no more,

who's not himself

longed for by anyone else.

He is a letter to everyone.

You open it. It says,

Live."

 

Rumi

 

 

 

After leaving the Zen monastery, we traveled to San Francisco. I

found a job with a non-profit international relief agency while

Baraka began a course of studies directed towards becoming a Nurse-

Midwife.

 

 

{SNIPPING PART NOT RELEVANT TO THIS POST)

 

 

After about a year in the Zen Monastery, the Roshi had shared an

interesting observation with me. He told me that I clearly wanted to

give myself to everyone and everything, but that I still did not know

What I Was. As long as this was so, I was in no position to give

anything at all. It was all just dream giving, and of no real value

whatsoever. Moreover, I had never fully learned to receive. My false

garment of humility cloaked an armor of impervious resistance to

simple acceptance – acceptance of life, acceptance of the mystery of

what I am.

 

When I moved to Boston in 1975, ostensibly for a few months to study

more about Natural Foods, I met a man who had just purchased a small

health food store. Since I needed some work to cover my expenses, I

took him up on his offer of a job. Together, and with the help of

many others, we built a Natural Foods retail company over the next

decade that eventually became the largest Organic products

supermarket chain in the country. Hundreds of thousands of people

have been introduced to a healthier style of life through this

company, but this was still not enough for me. Nothing was enough.

Nothing could ever be enough.

 

Somewhere along the way a simple recognition dawned. There were no

fireworks, no lightning bolts or anything dramatic -- just an obvious

realization that my whole life-long quest was based on a false

premise. All along, I had assumed myself to be a separate individual,

trying to bridge an assumed chasm in my own being. I had superimposed

on this simple being all sorts of beliefs and solipsistic judgements

about myself as the one who is "doing" all of this, and then

projected that dreamy stuff out into "the world" -- as if "the world"

was somehow separate from myself. All along I had been repeatedly

graced with clues, but I have always been a stubborn sort. In my

earnest fixation on an idea of what I needed to become, I overlooked

the plain and simple truth:

There is no need for something to find a way to become what it

already is. It only has to stop assuming itself to be what it has

never been.

As layers of self-inflicted dilemma melted away, I finally realized

how arrogant my stubborn presumption had been -- the presumption that

I could ever be in a position of "saving" anybody. With that, even

the sense of the "other" – separate from myself – began to evaporate.

As that house of cards came crumbling down, the whole fictional fist

of contraction loosened its grip:

 

How could I have ever imagined myself to be in any kind of position

to impose my will on life!

 

At last I began to enjoy my meals without feeling guilty.

 

Everything returned to the ordinary happiness just briefly

interrupted by that fateful movie so many years ago. I was somehow

gracefully relieved of the concern that anything be other than what

it is. That I be anything other than what I am. What it is, what I

am -- the perfection of the universe shining in this endless moment

of now. And now. And now.

 

I can finally stop pretending. I can peel off the various costumes,

or perhaps maintain the costume -- knowing that it is just a costume,

and even enjoying the unique beauty of this and any costume.

Lately all these costumes seem to slip off on their own accord.

All is getting done, mysteriously.

Like melting snow in warming spring streams, the fascination with any

destiny dissolves in the flow – gradually, almost unnoticed. Chronic

reactivity gathered from past experience ceases to be recycled.

Suffering, confusion, and doubt resume their transparency.

The sense of individuality persists, but sifted now within the

context of awareness, of space with no borders – changing

perpetually, in harmony with simple circumstance.

Here is where we always meet – in our own incomparable vastness.

Here is where this love is real – in the heart of our ordinary beauty.

 

Everyone waltzes through me like the summer wind.

I hear their whoosh whipping them in all directions.

I am a swinging door, these hinges oiled with Heart's juices.

I swing both ways -- no longer remembering in from out --

enjoying this breeze,

this afternoon in timelessness.

 

The dream we dream of this life is a small shadow, arising in a vast

space of awesome mystery. There is not even one molecule that is not

permeated with the most amazing heartbeat of Life living us, just as

It does. We can go anywhere, already realizing that there is nowhere

to go! We can do anything, already realizing that "we" are doing

nothing! There are no barriers in life, except what we imagine in our

innocent misunderstandings. Even these are perfection and grace.

There is nothing and no one to save. Thus, all are truly saved. There

is no freedom or bondage. Thus, all are truly free. There is nobody

to bless. Thus, all are truly blessed. It may seem as though nothing

has changed, and that will be true. Then you will notice that you are

not afraid, and a thousand samadhis won't compare to just one dear

sweet breath of air!

Perhaps you will discover this for yourself, until it becomes totally

obvious that

 

All Is Well.

 

 

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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on 7/4/02 10:10 AM, mazie_l at sraddha54 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote:

Dear Brother,

Perhaps it might be a kinder and wiser part of this sangha communion

to leave

the puberty of Alpha Male contests to the goats, eh?

Perhaps then you might just stop

and ask:

"What is the stake, the investment in all of this rancor, for Zenbob?"

Would you indulge me for a moment while I share part of a little

Story here with you and all?

Chapter 4

Pagan Babies (1)

"We become that upon which we meditate."

Muktananda

At the Catholic school in which I was enrolled in the 1950's, the

usual curriculum routine was occasionally set aside for "Audio-

Visual" presentations. Students were gathered into the auditorium,

lights were dimmed, and the whir of a film projector signaled the

beginning of another movie about precautions to be observed in the

event of a nuclear attack. This one was different, however. I was 9

years old, and as I watched the flickering images of babies, covered

with swarming flies, dying of starvation in some country I had never

heard of, my own young heart was burned. In fact, by the end of the

film I was on the verge of passing out until the lights came on and

an earnest missionary appeared in front of the assembled students. As

I listened intently to this Soldier of Christ, the mission which was

soon to dominate my life took form. In a vision of service not unlike

dressing the sacred wounds of Jesus, the task before me was suddenly

and undoubtedly made clear.

The missionary promised that, if each student was able to somehow

contribute $5.00, they would be able to adopt one of these "pagan

babies". Not only would it be "saved" but, as a side benefit, each

child would get to share the name of the contributor who had donated

the sum.

$5.00 seemed like a lot of money, but no obstacle was going to deter

me in my newfound crusade. I immediately threw myself into a fervor

of coin collecting. I started out using all of my milk money, but

found that wasn't nearly enough. Every minute another child was

dying! I began going into my father's pants pocket at night, after my

parents went to sleep. Each time I would take just a few dimes or

nickels to contribute, reasoning that they didn't need the money as

much as the pagan babies. I approached all of my visiting relatives,

as well as my parents' friends, soliciting spare change for the

mission. I would search the street on my way to and from school,

looking for any fallen coins that might go to the cause. There was a

girl next door who walked with crutches from polio, and I offered to

help her to school. When her parents inquired into my generosity, I

told them of the suffering of the innocents, and they were happy to

offer me a quarter each week for his help.

Soon I broadened my view to include the neighborhood as potential

recipients of goodwill. I began to take my bagged lunch and parcel

elements of it into people's mailboxes as I walked the girl to

school. I felt that it was better for me to go hungry than to have

anybody else in the world go hungry. By the time I arrived at class,

I had an empty bag but my heart was a little fuller.

Next I got a job as a paper boy, rising when it was still dark to

travel the streets delivering the news and forwarding my earnings

towards the pagan babies. At sunrise, I would pause for a moment and

pray to God that this new day would bring relief to the children.

I borrowed money from other kids. I traded baseball cards for coins.

I felt that I was doing something, but it was just not enough. I

knelt by my bed on the floor night after night, praying to Jesus to

intercede in His Mercy. Then I went to the Virgin Mary, Mother of

God. Then I went to the saints. Then to the angels. Then to anybody I

might have forgotten. The pagan babies needed all the help they could

get.

The nuns were amazed at my fund raising. Somewhere in Africa there

were now, hypothetically, about 20 or 30 people with my name on some

catholic certificate, saved from a life of certain starvation. I did

not feel good about this, however. There were so many more! So many!

It seemed the task was hopeless. How could I save them all?

Meanwhile, my parents started getting calls from the neighbors,

thanking them for the bananas and sandwiches, but asking for the

rationale behind such postal contributions. When my father and mother

confronted me, I told them about the starving children, the desperate

suffering pagan babies. They were not as convinced as I that giving

my lunch to the neighbors was the best tactic, nor were they amused

when I confessed that I had been taking their money to fund my

campaign to alleviate world hunger.

I sank into a profound dilemma about the whole thing. I wanted to

give everything -- my life even -- to save others from suffering. I

could not bear to see anyone suffer! I felt no peace, knowing that

the pagan babies were crying for milk somewhere. The situation seemed

unresolvable.

By the time I turned 13, I had already decided to enter a catholic

seminary to become a priest and dedicate myself completely to a life

of unselfish service. Everyone seemed to agree that this was the best

thing, given my unusual inclinations.

Chapter 9

Pagan Babies (2)

When I finally returned to San Francisco, I moved in with some

friends I had met while still a seminarian, and who were active in

the Peace effort. They lived in the Haight-Asbury District – the

colorful home of the emerging Hippie Movement. One day I picked up

and read the Bhagavad Gita – an ancient Hindu Bible -- and this

little book had a profound and lasting impact on me. As I read the

verse:

"He who does My work, who is devoted to Me and loves Me, who is free

from attachment and from enmity to all beings, goes to Me."

a resonant epiphany rang in my heart. I proceeded to look up

meditation in the phone book, found a Zen Center nearby, and began

studying Buddhist practices geared towards the discovery of the truth

of one's own nature. To really serve others, I now believed, I needed

to "know myself" first, and this seemed like a good place to start.

Many of my friends were now experimenting with the growing counter-

cultural movement sweeping the nation, and by a play world had of

fortune I living right in the epicenter of all that. I eagerly drank

in all that this new world was serving up, but what most appealed to

me was the focus on universal love woven within the songs and

proclamations of this emerging vision. Nevertheless, I had learned by

now that vision without action is a dream, just as action without

vision is a nightmare. I was still propelled by that early call

to "do something" about all the suffering around me.

At the time, the Viet Nam War was in full gear and, having forsaken

my theological deferment upon leaving the seminary, I soon became the

recipient of the dreaded draft notice, requiring me to report for a

physical in preparation for induction into the army. I did not want

to shoot people, I only wanted to feed them. Consequently, I applied

for Conscientious Objector status, necessitating an appearance before

the Draft Board to argue my case.

When I stood before the esteemed assembly of citizens who were trying

to turn me into a weapon of democracy, I explained as patiently as

possible how a number of people "over there" probably had the same

name as mine by now, and I did not feel inclined to go shooting at

them after spending so much time and effort to feed them. Apparently,

this was convincing enough to Board, and so I began 2 years of

Alternate Service as a Child Care Counselor at a residential

treatment center in rural Northern California for emotionally scarred

pre-adolescents.

I was assigned to a group of 10 very unhappy and bewildered boys, and

I loved them and hugged them and watched over them, and also made

sure that they ate properly. I had the kitchen substitute fresh

fruits and vegetables for the standard white sugar and flour

products, and with my own money purchased multivitamins for the

children, rather than administer the potent "meds" (Thorazine,

Ritalin, etc.) that were prescribed to pharmacologically "manage"

their behavior. Rather than letting them sit around and watch violent

cartoons on the weekends, I would load them into the van and take

them to the parks and beaches of Northern California, and let these

inner-city kids get the feeling for the freedom singing through

nature. At bedtime, I would give them tender backrubs, and tell them

little stories about love.

(SNPPING PART NOT RELEVANT TO THIS POST}

Chapter 13

Pagan Babies (3)

"Someone who goes with half a loaf of bread to a

small place that fits like a nest around him,

someone who wants no more,

who's not himself

longed for by anyone else.

He is a letter to everyone.

You open it. It says,

Live."

Rumi

After leaving the Zen monastery, we traveled to San Francisco. I

found a job with a non-profit international relief agency while

Baraka began a course of studies directed towards becoming a Nurse-

Midwife.

{SNIPPING PART NOT RELEVANT TO THIS POST)

After about a year in the Zen Monastery, the Roshi had shared an

interesting observation with me. He told me that I clearly wanted to

give myself to everyone and everything, but that I still did not know

What I Was. As long as this was so, I was in no position to give

anything at all. It was all just dream giving, and of no real value

whatsoever. Moreover, I had never fully learned to receive. My false

garment of humility cloaked an armor of impervious resistance to

simple acceptance – acceptance of life, acceptance of the mystery of

what I am.

When I moved to Boston in 1975, ostensibly for a few months to study

more about Natural Foods, I met a man who had just purchased a small

health food store. Since I needed some work to cover my expenses, I

took him up on his offer of a job. Together, and with the help of

many others, we built a Natural Foods retail company over the next

decade that eventually became the largest Organic products

supermarket chain in the country. Hundreds of thousands of people

have been introduced to a healthier style of life through this

company, but this was still not enough for me. Nothing was enough.

Nothing could ever be enough.

Somewhere along the way a simple recognition dawned. There were no

fireworks, no lightning bolts or anything dramatic -- just an obvious

realization that my whole life-long quest was based on a false

premise. All along, I had assumed myself to be a separate individual,

trying to bridge an assumed chasm in my own being. I had superimposed

on this simple being all sorts of beliefs and solipsistic judgements

about myself as the one who is "doing" all of this, and then

projected that dreamy stuff out into "the world" -- as if "the world"

was somehow separate from myself. All along I had been repeatedly

graced with clues, but I have always been a stubborn sort. In my

earnest fixation on an idea of what I needed to become, I overlooked

the plain and simple truth:

There is no need for something to find a way to become what it

already is. It only has to stop assuming itself to be what it has

never been.

As layers of self-inflicted dilemma melted away, I finally realized

how arrogant my stubborn presumption had been -- the presumption that

I could ever be in a position of "saving" anybody. With that, even

the sense of the "other" – separate from myself – began to evaporate.

As that house of cards came crumbling down, the whole fictional fist

of contraction loosened its grip:

How could I have ever imagined myself to be in any kind of position

to impose my will on life!

At last I began to enjoy my meals without feeling guilty.

Everything returned to the ordinary happiness just briefly

interrupted by that fateful movie so many years ago. I was somehow

gracefully relieved of the concern that anything be other than what

it is. That I be anything other than what I am. What it is, what I

am -- the perfection of the universe shining in this endless moment

of now. And now. And now.

I can finally stop pretending. I can peel off the various costumes,

or perhaps maintain the costume -- knowing that it is just a costume,

and even enjoying the unique beauty of this and any costume.

Lately all these costumes seem to slip off on their own accord.

All is getting done, mysteriously.

Like melting snow in warming spring streams, the fascination with any

destiny dissolves in the flow – gradually, almost unnoticed. Chronic

reactivity gathered from past experience ceases to be recycled.

Suffering, confusion, and doubt resume their transparency.

The sense of individuality persists, but sifted now within the

context of awareness, of space with no borders – changing

perpetually, in harmony with simple circumstance.

Here is where we always meet – in our own incomparable vastness.

Here is where this love is real – in the heart of our ordinary beauty.

Everyone waltzes through me like the summer wind.

I hear their whoosh whipping them in all directions.

I am a swinging door, these hinges oiled with Heart's juices.

I swing both ways -- no longer remembering in from out --

enjoying this breeze,

this afternoon in timelessness.

The dream we dream of this life is a small shadow, arising in a vast

space of awesome mystery. There is not even one molecule that is not

permeated with the most amazing heartbeat of Life living us, just as

It does. We can go anywhere, already realizing that there is nowhere

to go! We can do anything, already realizing that "we" are doing

nothing! There are no barriers in life, except what we imagine in our

innocent misunderstandings. Even these are perfection and grace.

There is nothing and no one to save. Thus, all are truly saved. There

is no freedom or bondage. Thus, all are truly free. There is nobody

to bless. Thus, all are truly blessed. It may seem as though nothing

has changed, and that will be true. Then you will notice that you are

not afraid, and a thousand samadhis won't compare to just one dear

sweet breath of air!

Perhaps you will discover this for yourself, until it becomes totally

obvious that

All Is Well.

LoveAlways,

b

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Thus, all are truly blessed. It may seem as though nothing has

changed, and that will be true. Then you will notice that you are not

afraid, and a thousand samadhis won't compare to just one dear sweet

breath of air!

Perhaps you will discover this for yourself, until it becomes totally obvious that

All Is Well.

Dear b:

I have no doubt that you have gone through a variety of experiences

and realizations as to what is "true" but life is often a circle and

not just a path. Neither you nor I can eliminate starvation in the

world. We cannot eliminate war. We cannot with any reasonable hope,

eliminate disease or suffering in general. Howewever, after all is

said and done, each of us, with word and deed effects the lives of

those we have contact with. If we did not, then neither of us would

keep attempting to communicate. But it would be wrong to assume that

such knowing of our futility in changing the world also means that we

have risen above ego, no longer have feelings, cannot imagine that

others have no feelings, or that a kind deed, rather than merely an

abstract thought will not make the world better for one, or even a

dozen other people.

I am not a big believer in "organized official" efforts to give aid to

others. My experience indicates that private efforts created to

accomplish a single simple objective work best.

I also know that if an ordinary couple adopt a real child or orphan in

need, that they have changed the life forever for that individual.

So, taking actions in the world do result in positive changes, Bob.

To say that it is already just perfect is really to rationalize away

the acts of mercy and goodness that others do everyday.

Perhaps after all your experience, you now have achieved such a lofty

sense of self knowing that you cannot imagine doing good in the world

with any word or deed. Being an ignorant sort of idiot, and steeped

in Sufi Silliness, I believe that some words and deeds can accomplish

good things. The right words are deeds...as they open hearts and

alter the behavior of good people. Why else cherish those wise

words? Why else teach others to be merciful, kind and forgiving?

It's funny, because I have lived and done many things in my life...but

I have never believed that the things that I did that benefited others

were in vain. I know that many things I tried to do that I thought

were well intentioned failed to manifest the desired results, but

that never caused me to believe that all such efforts were useless or

unnecessary--or worse, that I would set myself up as an expert, and

counsel others to do nothing, but to listen to my words as if they

were somehow that much more important than real people's lives.

It sounds to me that you are an idealist who yearned to do more and to

do better than anyone else could...when that failed to be possible,

you tried another tack, only to recreate the same sense of futile

effort...all roads lead to dissatisfaction when the destination is

perfection. I don't expect perfection from anyone, anything or from

myself. Just the best effort and best goodwill possible. And the

results need not live up to my expectation. When they do, that's

fine. If not, so be it. We build the wall of China one day at a

time, and if we never see the entire harvest of the fruits of our

labor, and if others must labor on in that vineyard, so be it...the

fruits will come by and by. We certainly cannot just opt out of the

human race and deem ourselves superior because we have tried and

failed before, by our own ideals.

Maybe the world has been mean to you. Maybe you needed others to say

what a great person, kind person or deep thinker you were. Why? Why

ask why? We all have complex natures. I choose to think that a good

person exists there, and that those qualities that make a person

virtuous in the real sense are all still in there, even if they are

not all active. I hate to hear anyone say, "I tried to be a great

painter, but when I tried to paint a Mona Lisa I realized it was

futile, then I tried to paint a Vermeer, and that was disappointing,

finally I tried a Monet, and that too turned out to be a false idea,

so now I do not paint, warn others to never paint, and I just wave a

paintbrush in the air, as I attempt to convince others of my true

knowledge of the universe."

Take a long walk in the park or at the ocean and give it all a bit of

reflection. Do you really wish to "do" nothing more in the world?

Contribute nothing? Make no attempt to improve the existence of

anyone or anyone else? As I wrote before, if it's all juist perfect,

why shave? Why shower? Why anything?

Blessings,

Love,

Zenbob

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Take a long walk in the park or at the ocean and give it all a bit of

reflection. Do you really wish to "do" nothing more in the world?

Contribute nothing? Make no attempt to improve the existence of

anyone or anyone else? As I wrote before, if it's all juist perfect,

why shave? Why shower? Why anything? Blessings, Love, Zenbob

There is a saying "for every expression there is at least 1 perspective".

>From the perspective "only nirguna is real" (Tony, where are you? :-)

the manifest (saguna) can be observed to strive after perfection, like

a child will make efforts to improve its sand castles at the beach when

the ocean has swallowed one.

>From the perspective "nirguna = saguna", everything is perfect, you can

relax behind the tube, munch popcorn and drink beer as long as the bag

sustains those operations.

Yet another perspective states the second perspective only serves to

annihilate attachments, the first perspective could introduce: thoughts

like "efforts serve no purpose" show the

same attachment as "efforts serve a purpose".

Which reminds a bit of the first posts at the start of the Tanka list

(public archives): there is no antidote for laziness yet, hence the Western

definition of Tanka has become "poem consisting of five short lines".

:)

Peace,

Jan

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Hi Bob, Zenbob and Mazie,

If nothing else, from this exchange we got some beautiful writing...

If this were a novel, it would surely go to the top of some chart somewhere...

"Bob, Mazie and Zenbob and the art of new age pulp fiction".

I am not facetious here, believe me..., just trying to sound smart. :-)

Good thing all of us are real... and of course, while stirring this

pot of reality, bubbles of illusion rise to the top imploding into

hollow sounding vacuoles.

blup blup blup

Wim

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Subject: Re: Zenbob/

Pagan BabiesIn a message dated 7/4/02 1:11:48 PM Pacific Daylight

Time, sraddha54 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes:

Thus, all are truly blessed. It may seem as though nothing has

changed, and that will be true. Then you will notice that you are not

afraid, and a thousand samadhis won't compare to just one dear sweet

breath of air! Perhaps you will discover this for yourself, until it

becomes totally obvious that All Is Well. Dear b: I have no doubt

that you have gone through a variety of experiences and realizations

as to what is "true" but life is often a circle and not just a path.

Neither you nor I can eliminate starvation in the world. We cannot

eliminate war. We cannot with any reasonable hope, eliminate disease

or suffering in general. Howewever, after all is said and done, each

of us, with word and deed effects the lives of those we have contact

with. If we did not, then neither of us would keep attempting to

communicate. But it would be wrong to assume that such knowing of

our futility in changing the world also means that we have risen

above ego, no longer have feelings, cannot imagine that others have

no feelings, or that a kind deed, rather than merely an abstract

thought will not make the world better for one, or even a dozen other

people. I am not a big believer in "organized official" efforts to

give aid to others. My experience indicates that private efforts

created to accomplish a single simple objective work best. I also

know that if an ordinary couple adopt a real child or orphan in need,

that they have changed the life forever for that individual. So,

taking actions in the world do result in positive changes, Bob. To

say that it is already just perfect is really to rationalize away the

acts of mercy and goodness that others do everyday. Perhaps after all

your experience, you now have achieved such a lofty sense of self

knowing that you cannot imagine doing good in the world with any word

or deed. Being an ignorant sort of idiot, and steeped in Sufi

Silliness, I believe that some words and deeds can accomplish good

things. The right words are deeds...as they open hearts and alter

the behavior of good people. Why else cherish those wise words? Why

else teach others to be merciful, kind and forgiving? It's funny,

because I have lived and done many things in my life...but I have

never believed that the things that I did that benefited others were

in vain. I know that many things I tried to do that I thought were

well intentioned failed to manifest the desired results, but that

never caused me to believe that all such efforts were useless or

unnecessary--or worse, that I would set myself up as an expert, and

counsel others to do nothing, but to listen to my words as if they

were somehow that much more important than real people's lives. It

sounds to me that you are an idealist who yearned to do more and to

do better than anyone else could...when that failed to be possible,

you tried another tack, only to recreate the same sense of futile

effort...all roads lead to dissatisfaction when the destination is

perfection. I don't expect perfection from anyone, anything or from

myself. Just the best effort and best goodwill possible. And the

results need not live up to my expectation. When they do, that's

fine. If not, so be it. We build the wall of China one day at a

time, and if we never see the entire harvest of the fruits of our

labor, and if others must labor on in that vineyard, so be it...the

fruits will come by and by. We certainly cannot just opt out of the

human race and deem ourselves superior because we have tried and

failed before, by our own ideals. Maybe the world has been mean to

you. Maybe you needed others to say what a great person, kind person

or deep thinker you were. Why? Why ask why? We all have complex

natures. I choose to think that a good person exists there, and that

those qualities that make a person virtuous in the real sense are all

still in there, even if they are not all active. I hate to hear

anyone say, "I tried to be a great painter, but when I tried to paint

a Mona Lisa I realized it was futile, then I tried to paint a Vermeer,

and that was disappointing, finally I tried a Monet, and that too

turned out to be a false idea, so now I do not paint, warn others to

never paint, and I just wave a paintbrush in the air, as I attempt to

convince others of my true knowledge of the universe." Take a long

walk in the park or at the ocean and give it all a bit of reflection.

Do you really wish to "do" nothing more in the world? Contribute

nothing? Make no attempt to improve the existence of anyone or

anyone else? As I wrote before, if it's all juist perfect, why

shave? Why shower? Why anything? Blessings, Love, Zenbob

/join

All paths go

somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions,

and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back

into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It

is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the

Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of

Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self.

Welcome all to a.Your use of is subject

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> Hi Bob, Zenbob and Mazie,

 

Hi Wim! Wanna swim with me in the wonder of It All? Oh yeah! You ARE

the Wonder of It All, so what need to Swim in what Wim Is? Wim Is the

Swimming of the Swimmer - The Swim of the Swim, God i just swim in

this Wonder of Wim. No swimmer, no swimming, no Ocean to swim in, no

Wim! What wonder of Wonders, this Swimless Swimming, this Wimless

Wimming! When has It never Been This? When has It ever Been less?

Lesson learned about turning the turn and finding out there was no

turner to turn in and tune out and then turn it up again. Turning up

the Music and turning up the Heat, i find that i am the Song and i am

the Fire - the bobbing the head to the Song of One, the Zenbob of Zen

as the Friend just wanting to Play! The heat of the Heartbeat,

beating me to the punchline and becoming the Ultimate Joke of the One

and Only Comedian Extraordinaire! Laughter Swims out to greet ItSelf,

the Echo of OneSound against the Cave of the Heart - OneHeartBeat

from OneHeart treats itSelf to the Sound of Its Own Mirthful Mouthful!

i just Love that Heartbeat beating seven times around the Spine,

seven times through the Mind, what? No Mind? i don't mind if the

Seven Sisters crashes this Heartboat bobbing along as just this Song

into the Sea of Self-Awareness. Waftingly along the very road to

Nowhere, uh-oh, i mean verily veritas of no mas, This Is the Seventh

Wonder of One wanting nothing but to Play It Out. The Pay-out is

This - Love Loves to Love ItSelf, and Laugh so Lovingly while doing

so, eh?

 

> If nothing else, from this exchange we got some beautiful writing...

If this were a novel, it would surely go to the top of some chart

somewhere..."Bob, Mazie and Zenbob and the art of new age pulp

fiction".

 

 

....And zen zhere wus nutting! Nutting, Novhere, dis Nutting...

Is she nuts, or what? Some say. Amazing grace!

 

>I am not facetious here, believe me..., just trying to sound

smart. :-) Good thing all of us are real... and of course, while

stirring this pot of reality, bubbles of illusion rise to the top

imploding into hollow sounding vacuoles.

 

 

i am the bubble, make me the sea, oh i am the bubble, make me the

sea...seeing the Sea, i See i never saw a thing, you see, it's all in

the way we See things. See Jane run. See Jane fall. Run Jane! Run!

See how fun this Fun runs with me!

 

 

blup blup blup

 

blurb blurb blurb

> Wim

 

LoveAlways,

 

Mazie

>

> zen2wrk@a... [zen2wrk@a...]

> Friday, July 05, 2002 3:54 AM

>

> Re: Zenbob/ Pagan Babies

>

>

> In a message dated 7/4/02 1:11:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> sraddha54@h... writes:

>

>

>

> Thus, all are truly blessed. It may seem as though nothing

> has changed, and that will be true. Then you will notice that you

are

> not afraid, and a thousand samadhis won't compare to just one dear

> sweet breath of air!

> Perhaps you will discover this for yourself, until it becomes

totally

> obvious that

>

> All Is Well.

>

>

>

> Dear b:

>

> I have no doubt that you have gone through a variety of experiences

and

> realizations as to what is "true" but life is often a circle and

not just a

> path. Neither you nor I can eliminate starvation in the world. We

cannot

> eliminate war. We cannot with any reasonable hope, eliminate

disease or

> suffering in general. Howewever, after all is said and done, each

of us,

> with word and deed effects the lives of those we have contact

with. If we

> did not, then neither of us would keep attempting to communicate.

But it

> would be wrong to assume that such knowing of our futility in

changing the

> world also means that we have risen above ego, no longer have

feelings,

> cannot imagine that others have no feelings, or that a kind deed,

rather

> than merely an abstract thought will not make the world better for

one, or

> even a dozen other people.

>

> I am not a big believer in "organized official" efforts to give aid

to

> others. My experience indicates that private efforts created to

accomplish

> a single simple objective work best.

>

> I also know that if an ordinary couple adopt a real child or orphan

in need,

> that they have changed the life forever for that individual. So,

taking

> actions in the world do result in positive changes, Bob. To say

that it is

> already just perfect is really to rationalize away the acts of

mercy and

> goodness that others do everyday.

>

> Perhaps after all your experience, you now have achieved such a

lofty sense

> of self knowing that you cannot imagine doing good in the world

with any

> word or deed. Being an ignorant sort of idiot, and steeped in Sufi

> Silliness, I believe that some words and deeds can accomplish good

things.

> The right words are deeds...as they open hearts and alter the

behavior of

> good people. Why else cherish those wise words? Why else teach

others to

> be merciful, kind and forgiving?

>

> It's funny, because I have lived and done many things in my

life...but I

> have never believed that the things that I did that benefited

others were in

> vain. I know that many things I tried to do that I thought were

well

> intentioned failed to manifest the desired results, but that never

caused me

> to believe that all such efforts were useless or unnecessary--or

worse, that

> I would set myself up as an expert, and counsel others to do

nothing, but to

> listen to my words as if they were somehow that much more important

than

> real people's lives.

>

> It sounds to me that you are an idealist who yearned to do more and

to do

> better than anyone else could...when that failed to be possible,

you tried

> another tack, only to recreate the same sense of futile

effort...all roads

> lead to dissatisfaction when the destination is perfection. I

don't expect

> perfection from anyone, anything or from myself. Just the best

effort and

> best goodwill possible. And the results need not live up to my

expectation.

> When they do, that's fine. If not, so be it. We build the wall of

China

> one day at a time, and if we never see the entire harvest of the

fruits of

> our labor, and if others must labor on in that vineyard, so be

it...the

> fruits will come by and by. We certainly cannot just opt out of

the human

> race and deem ourselves superior because we have tried and failed

before, by

> our own ideals.

>

> Maybe the world has been mean to you. Maybe you needed others to

say what a

> great person, kind person or deep thinker you were. Why? Why ask

why? We

> all have complex natures. I choose to think that a good person

exists

> there, and that those qualities that make a person virtuous in the

real

> sense are all still in there, even if they are not all active. I

hate to

> hear anyone say, "I tried to be a great painter, but when I tried

to paint a

> Mona Lisa I realized it was futile, then I tried to paint a

Vermeer, and

> that was disappointing, finally I tried a Monet, and that too

turned out to

> be a false idea, so now I do not paint, warn others to never paint,

and I

> just wave a paintbrush in the air, as I attempt to convince others

of my

> true knowledge of the universe."

>

> Take a long walk in the park or at the ocean and give it all a bit

of

> reflection. Do you really wish to "do" nothing more in the world?

> Contribute nothing? Make no attempt to improve the existence of

anyone or

> anyone else? As I wrote before, if it's all juist perfect, why

shave? Why

> shower? Why anything?

>

> Blessings,

> Love,

>

> Zenbob

> /join

>

>

>

>

>

> All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

> perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside

> back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than

> the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of

Awareness.

> Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home.

Home is

> where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of

Eternal

> Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge,

spontaneously

> arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Mazie, this must be a good day... :-)))

>>> Hi Wim! Wanna swim with me in the wonder of It All? Oh yeah! You ARE the

Wonder of It All, so what need to Swim in what Wim Is? Wim Is the Swimming

of the Swimmer - The Swim of the Swim, God i just swim in this Wonder of

Wim. No swimmer, no swimming, no Ocean to swim in, no Wim! What wonder of

Wonders, this Swimless Swimming, this Wimless Wimming! When has It never

Been This? When has It ever Been less? <<<

 

You are the second one today...

It was Lynette this morning already, teaming me up in that vast ocean of

churning and whirling love.

"Its waters so teeming with all of us, swirling swimmers, the dynamic

cohesion between us, molecules of love..."

 

Wim

"There will be dancing in the streets and swimming in the lakes."

>From "Shiva dancing, Krishna Swimming"

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, Wim Borsboom <wim@a...> wrote:

 

 

If this were a novel, it would surely go to the top of some chart

somewhere...

"Bob, Mazie and Zenbob and the art of new age pulp fiction".

 

 

 

 

 

....perhaps even inspiring an examination of

the original pulp fiction --

the belief in independent doership.

 

 

:-)

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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> ...perhaps even inspiring an examination of

> the original pulp fiction --

> the belief in independent doership.

 

and how that ties in so much with the concept of a free will.

 

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> > ...perhaps even inspiring an examination of

> > the original pulp fiction --

> > the belief in independent doership.

 

> and how that ties in so much with the concept of a free will.

 

 

.....from an essay shared here awhile ago, author unknown:

 

 

 

"We do not want to suffer. No one does. But we continue to suffer

regardless of the many choices we seem to make because suffering is

all about you, I, me. There is no suffering in witnessing, only in

ownership. So long as we think we are the "I" we suffer, but as we

begin to awaken suffering does not disappear. It is simply that there

is no I" to make it personal. This cannot be understood by the mind,

which believes that "I" is real and not an illusion, as are all

things attached to the "I", which includes choices, and inevitable

suffering. We are not here to relieve suffering, but to penetrate the

fiction of the "I". Suffering is an object that only exists as long

as there is a subject, and the subject in this case is us.

It is no accident that we are meeting here. We are tired of our

attempts to make this world better, even if we are not aware of this

fatigue. Most people are not aware of the tremendous amount of energy

it takes to make things better. Most of us have a life that many

would envy, yet there is something missing. That is why we are here.

Some of us have attempted to follow a path, and as satisfying and

fruitful as that has been, we still are missing something. When we go

to find what is missing, we always look to the mind to tell us how to

find it, and the mind always obliges. Almost everyone follows

thoughts and ends up someplace, usually if its spiritual truth they

are seeking they end up on an organized path that provides various

choices of practice. This is not to be denigrated. Paths serve a

function if the person realizes that the path is only "pointing" to

something that the path itself cannot deliver. Unfortunately people

become deeply attached to the path and the path becomes an end in

itself. But for a very few, the path has served a different purpose

entirely, and that is to help them realized that the path can only

take them so far, and that they must drop the path in order to go

further. At this point a certain hopelessness sets in for many; they

are now left to themselves and usually what happens after a time is

they become attached to a different path or go back and start the old

one again from the beginning. For a very, very few who are willing to

just be in that place of hopelessness, something comes. A glimmer

begins which cannot be understood by the mind. That glimmer leads us

to the end of the search. The mind asks, "if I am not here for some

benefit then why am I here?" And the answer to that is - we are here

to die. Death takes many forms, and the one we usually focus on is

death of the body. But there are other deaths that must be faced, and

one of the most painful for us is the death of hope. Hope is the

belief that things will get better. That the choices we make will

lead to a more desirable outcome. Very few can imagine a life without

hope. A life without hope seems like a life not worth living. Hope

brings with it a desire for life to be a certain way, a better way.

This is so because the way things are in the present moment is not

the way we want things to be. We want things to be better. To be

sure, we may work to improve our station in life, have more money,

more toys, better relationships, and they may improve. We may become

happier because we have more of the things we want and less of the

things we don't, but then we must maintain this status or the

happiness we think we've found will go away. Life becomes a life of

protecting what we want and keeping away what we don't want. And all

the while right here now is life the way it is, asking nothing of

anyone, making no demands. We are spoiled, just as a little child who

demands to have its way. When it doesn't get what it wants it cries

and whines and makes a fuss until it gets what it wants or it gets a

spanking. Life tends to give a lot of spankings. I know I sure get my

share. Some of us begin to wake up to the fact that these spankings,

this suffering, is not necessary. Wanting benefits from life is

saying that life is not good enough the way it is - I want it

better. But eventually we notice that "better" is a game that never

ends, better becomes the enemy of Now. As we begin to awaken, we

begin to drop our demands for choices, because we begin to realize

the one demanding them is not real, the one silently witnessing the

demanding Is."

 

 

LoveAlways,

 

b

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(public archives): there is no antidote for laziness yet, hence the Western

definition of Tanka has become "poem consisting of five short lines".

Besides this definition being abysmal, it is also reprehensible! Your

point is manifestly proven!

I think I pushed that thought forward to illustrate that there is a

large gap between what we "understand to be reality" ("cogito") and

what we actually do in the world in order to live with reality

("Practicum"). I wished merely to flush the dialectic out of the

discussion to whatever degree was possible...to the ends that real

flesh and blood people in the real world must do real things in order

to survive. This very dualistic reality is what "at the end of the

day" we each have as our net experience, plus whatever our senses and

thoughts deliver to us. But, if we do not plant the seeds, our

gardens do not grow. Taking the stand that "all is well, always and

no action need ever be done" is not validated in the empirical

world. We cannot know the contents of a book merely by wishing it

were so--most of us must actually read it, and that is an action.

I am going to rest now, that is my action.

>>>>>>>>>>(World Perfect)<<<<<<<<

The world is perfect

And then I saw a child cry

How could I help her?

I gave her my hand to hold

She smiles--the world is perfect.

Blessings,

Love

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Hi b

> ...perhaps even inspiring an examination of > the original pulp fiction --

> the belief in independent doership.

and how that ties in so much with the concept of a free will.

I recently saw an Advert in a paper offering a "Free Will" as well as

up to two hours of legal consultation. What a concept!

Hugs,

Zenbob

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As we begin to awaken, we begin to drop our demands for choices,

because we begin to realize the one demanding them is not real, the

one silently witnessing the demanding Is."

Mayhaps, but choicelessness can lead to Nihilism and to withdrawl from

the world. For some this might be a good thing. For others, not such

a good thing. If we just allow the fence to rot and fall down,

eventually the coyotes come in and eat the chickens and then we get

no eggs, and we miss the omelettes, as the Wise Ones of the Mesa

often say.

So, sometimes good fences make good neighbors, and good fences may

need a good fencer to keep it in good repair. This require action,

not merely self contemplation.

Sure, the universe is perfect. I agree. And so do I and I and all

the other We who are One. But I sure do enjoy a good omellete

sometimes.

Love,

Blessings,

Zenbob

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On 7/6/02 at 3:08 AM zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: In a message dated 7/5/02

6:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, janb (AT) mail (DOT) infocanarias.com writes:

(public archives): there is no antidote for laziness yet, hence the

Western definition of Tanka has become "poem consisting of five short

lines".

Besides this definition being abysmal, it is also reprehensible! Your

point is manifestly proven!

I had a good laugh browsing the archive - predictably, the "laziness" frame of mind

cannot be converted to activity (tamas transforming into rajas guna) unless another factor

is introduced - for the sake of simplicity called "Love".

I think I pushed that thought forward to illustrate that there is a

large gap between what we "understand to be reality" ("cogito") and

what we actually do in the world in order to live with reality

("Practicum"). I wished merely to flush the dialectic out of the

discussion to whatever degree was possible...to the ends that real

flesh and blood people in the real world must do real things in order

to survive.

What you could have proposed is this:

a common effort to design a form, specifically tailored to express the inexpressible in English.

Although i used the 5-7-5-7-7 in Dutch as well, that effort showed the

issue "design a language-specific form"

much better than verbosity ever could..

verbo city crowns noise the sound of city's viewsrules the darkest

greyeven it the music playsverbo city dumbo dim

This very dualistic reality is what "at the end of the day" we each

have as our net experience, plus whatever our senses and thoughts

deliver to us. But, if we do not plant the seeds, our gardens do not

grow. Taking the stand that "all is well, always and no action need

ever be done" is not validated in the empirical world. We cannot

know the contents of a book merely by wishing it were so--most of us

must actually read it, and that is an action. I am going to rest now,

that is my action.

Usually it is considered, a coin has two sides but of course it has three.

The two depicted as polar pairs like action/inaction, pleasure/pain, joy/sadness etc. etc.,

the third is neither one of those two nor "nothing" yet the two

cannot exist without the third.>>>>>>>>>>(World Perfect)<<<<<<<< The

world is perfect And then I saw a child cry How could I help her? I

gave her my hand to hold She smiles--the world is perfect. Blessings,

Love

that deserves another one, "the pun of nothing":

leela is the playteeming with activitywhere nothing does stay

nothing happening?desert has to be the showwhere nothing can grow

nothing fertilizednothing grown to holy cownothing holy now

nothing worth to dealnothing gives a better smokewhen nothing is real

Peace,

Jan

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The doing still gets done, but there is no DOER. The mighty

identification and all that goes with it......is

transparent......work becomes play.."No one has ever got hurt" is

SEEN as Truth....remarkable and as untrue as it sounds!

Shawn

on 7/5/02 10:02 PM, zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com at zen2wrk (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

In a message dated 7/5/02 1:24:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hrtbeat7 writes:

As we begin to awaken, we

begin to drop our demands for choices, because we begin to realize

the one demanding them is not real, the one silently witnessing the

demanding Is."

Mayhaps, but choicelessness can lead to Nihilism and to withdrawl from

the world. For some this might be a good thing. For others, not such

a good thing. If we just allow the fence to rot and fall down,

eventually the coyotes come in and eat the chickens and then we get

no eggs, and we miss the omelettes, as the Wise Ones of the Mesa

often say.

So, sometimes good fences make good neighbors, and good fences may

need a good fencer to keep it in good repair. This require action,

not merely self contemplation.

Sure, the universe is perfect. I agree. And so do I and I and all

the other We who are One. But I sure do enjoy a good omellete

sometimes.

Love,

Blessings,

Zenbob

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perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and

subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of

the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It

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Absolutely right Shawn

> The doing still gets done, but there is no DOER.

> The mighty identification and all that goes with it

> ......is transparent......work becomes play..

> "No one has ever got hurt" is SEEN as Truth

> ....remarkable and as untrue as it sounds!

Got to this from a totally different angle... same discovery...

Hey guys, we all are a pretty good bunch...

How old are we now...? Not that it matters!

But I have to laugh sometimes when I imagine our ages...

Bunch of old fogies most of us are...

....All still dancing like Mick Jagger...

..........Just wait till we are 80...........

......cosmic dancers and players......

Wim

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