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Hi Joyce,

 

I joined this list yesterday upon hearing that Harsha had asked the

members speaking about their experiences with me.

 

I make Enlightenment available in dialogue meetings, over the phone,

on the Net -- wherever.

 

I sought for 30 years, and was practising yoga by my accord at the

age of 5, around that age my cousin decided to be vegetarian!

 

After following seriously following several teachers only to see

their organisations explode, and disappear, and seeing many visiting

teachers, I concluded that enlightenment did not exist.

 

When I did Awaken - at 5am in the morning, I actually said "I think I

am enlightened" and my partner, a long time student of the late Jean

Klein, said "I thought you were going to say something like that."

 

It's all a bit of a mystery and its on-going. Others have woken up

around me, and there are plenty of stories about people's strange-but-

true experiences. For me, it's not surprising anymore because

reality is not fixed. It's just a bit of mystery, i.e. why this is

all happening.

 

I don't fit any orthodox categories, but I'd say I am in the Ramana

Maharshi line, as long as we recognise that it doesn't exist!

 

Orthodoxy, and advaitic divisions, have been created by the

unenlightened. Teachers don't fit into categories.

 

For example, some will say "You can't say 'I am enlightened' because

that means that there is someone there to be enlightened".

 

But you can say it. Here, look --> I am enlightened!

 

And look, I still am!!

 

Lots of love,

 

dave

> Sorry, Dave, I have no idea who you are. I'm always happy to hear

about

> people's experiences. And if your life will make Awakening

available to me I

> shall be delighted. Even if you cannot make this avaliable to me

I'm still

> happy to meet you.

>

> Joyce

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daveoshana [daveoshana]

Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:50 AM

Re: Dave Oshana

 

 

Hi Joyce,

 

I joined this list yesterday upon hearing that Harsha had asked the

members speaking about their experiences with me.

 

I make Enlightenment available in dialogue meetings, over the phone,

on the Net -- wherever.

_______________

Thanks Dave and welcome to the list. Yes, my powers are immense. My mere

mention of someone's name even in passing makes them run here and speak of

their enlightenment and how they can awaken others.

 

Our last meeting was not too long ago at NDS where I suggested that your

practice of subscribing people to your list without their permission was

unethical. Is this now in your past or does that still continue? Please

clarify and comment. It was something the logic of which was not fully

grasped by me. I would appreciate your current views on the ethics of that

matter and discussing it before proceeding. I mean are we all in danger of

having our e-mail addresses having to take another ride.

 

I realize that every guru and teacher must find its flock somewhere Dave.

Here, we eat enlightenment for breakfast and have gurus for lunch and what

we do for dinner you will have to find out.

 

This is a mature community. We don't give a hoot about enlightenment. Being

straight forward and having good manners is a must.

 

Love

Harsha

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On 6/9/01 at 8:16 AM Harsha wrote:

 

[...]

ºThis is a mature community. We don't give a hoot about enlightenment. Being

ºstraight forward and having good manners is a must.

º

ºLove

ºHarsha

 

Dear Harsha,

 

Thanks a lot of the humor...

That comment certainly made my day!

 

Love,

Jan

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Hi Dave,

>I joined this list yesterday upon hearing that Harsha had asked the

>members speaking about their experiences with me.

 

Well, let's be exact about this. Harsha did not ask you to come here, as

I'm sure you know. What he said was:

>This is the same guy who forcibly d my e-mail address and that

>of many others to his list not too long ago and there was a discussion on

>that on NDS. I am not questioning Dave's enlightenment or sense of humor

>or anything, but certainly his judgment. Since we all make mistakes, I

>don't hold that against him. On the other hand, I think you have given

>him enough of a plug now on this list in several posts. If Dave wants to

>join here and engage in a discussion, he is welcome like everyone else.

> Otherwise please refrain from any more glorification of Dave here.

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>I make Enlightenment available in dialogue meetings, over the phone,

>on the Net -- wherever.

 

That easy, huh? That is truly amazing! Must be a new dispensation. :)

Hallelujah!!

>I sought for 30 years, and was practising yoga by my accord at the

>age of 5,

 

It took you 30 years to get to the age of 5??

>around that age my cousin decided to be vegetarian!

 

Well, obviously something wasn't working right.

>When I did Awaken - at 5am in the morning, I actually said "I think I

>am enlightened"

 

Amazing!! And so original!

 

>I don't fit any orthodox categories, but I'd say I am in the Ramana

>Maharshi line,

 

I am not aware of Ramana offering instant Enlightenment in dialogue

meetings, by phone, any way, any how...

> as long as we recognise that it doesn't exist!

 

And that neatly cancels out the first part of your sentence. :)

>Orthodoxy, and advaitic divisions

 

What is an advaitic division??

>, have been created by the

>unenlightened. Teachers don't fit into categories.

 

You do, honey. :)

>For example, some will say "You can't say 'I am enlightened' because

>that means that there is someone there to be enlightened".

>

>But you can say it. Here, look --> I am enlightened!

 

Absolutely amazing!

>And look, I still am!!

 

Wow! Amazinger and amazinger!

 

Welcome to our sangha!

 

Love,

Dharma

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Hi Joyce,

I joined this list yesterday upon hearing that Harsha had asked the

members speaking about their experiences with me.

Hi Dave....nice to meet you. Interesting to meet someone that others speak about.

Yum, Yum.

I make Enlightenment available in dialogue meetings, over the phone,

O good. Now I know where to to find Enlightenment and who can make it available to me,

on the Net, over the phone is always good -- wherever. I have a short

attention span so darshan must be very short and very sweet.

_______________

Thanks Dave and welcome to the list. Yes, my powers are immense. My mere

mention of someone's name even in passing makes them run here and speak of

their enlightenment and how they can awaken others.

Isn't that great, aye. Dave, being on of ten thousand things can

enlighten me and Im also waiting for the other 9,999 to arrive on

list.

I would appreciate your current views

Asking for anyone's 'views' seems risky. It is hard to stop them once they get started.

I realize that every guru and teacher must find its flock somewhere Dave.

O great, a flock! Does this mean I get to be a flockette? One gets well and truly flocked?

This is a mature community.

Well.........

We don't give a hoot about enlightenment.

Small hoot that other may find *it* if they wants *it*.

Being

straight forward and having good manners is a must.

Staying cool is good.

I still don't know who 'Dave' is? I don't mean ultimately just ordinary will do.

Love,

Joyce

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>>This is a mature community. We don't give a hoot about enlightenment.

Being straight forward and having good manners is a must. Love Harsha

>Dear Harsha,

Thanks a lot of the humor...

That comment certainly made my day! Love, Jan

 

 

And I'll drink to that!!! LOL!!! Mira

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>I don't fit any orthodox categories, but I'd say I am in the Ramana

Maharshi line,

 

I am not aware of Ramana offering instant Enlightenment in dialogue

meetings, by phone, any way, any how...

 

LOLOLOLOL!!!! Dharmaaaaaa!!!!! Never heard of the Maharshi-line? You get

long distance enlightenment phonecalls for "no-thing". Doesn't get any

cheaper than that!!

Love and laughter, Mira

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Dear Dave

 

Harsha wrote:

> This is a mature community. We don't give a hoot about enlightenment.

> Being straight forward and having good manners is a must.

 

You wrote:

> I actually said "I think I am enlightened" and my partner,<snip>,

> said "I thought you were going to say something like that."

 

I'm the only one on this list who professes to be enlightened, hmmm, now

I see my error because I did not think I was... I'm thinking about it

now... and you know what it already feels better...

Dave, man... that was indeed super fast...

Do you think that thoughts go with the speed of light...?

Fantastic, I just think that Tony is enlightened (you don't know yet) and he is, wow! Is it important for him to think so too, or can we

dispense with that. Do I need to phone him or will you do that?

 

That is really good about Tony, because we were looking for a

replacement for him and I think you fit the bill... at least I think so.

 

Love Dave, Wim

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, daveoshana wrote:

> Hi Joyce,

>

> I joined this list yesterday upon hearing that Harsha had asked the

> members speaking about their experiences with me.

>

> I make Enlightenment available in dialogue meetings, over the phone,

> on the Net -- wherever.

>

> I sought for 30 years, and was practising yoga by my accord at the

> age of 5, around that age my cousin decided to be vegetarian!

>

> After following seriously following several teachers only to see

> their organisations explode, and disappear, and seeing many visiting

> teachers, I concluded that enlightenment did not exist.

>

> When I did Awaken - at 5am in the morning, I actually said "I think

I

> am enlightened" and my partner, a long time student of the late Jean

> Klein, said "I thought you were going to say something like that."

>

> It's all a bit of a mystery and its on-going. Others have woken up

> around me, and there are plenty of stories about people's

strange-but-

> true experiences. For me, it's not surprising anymore because

> reality is not fixed. It's just a bit of mystery, i.e. why this is

> all happening.

>

> I don't fit any orthodox categories, but I'd say I am in the Ramana

> Maharshi line, as long as we recognise that it doesn't exist!

>

> Orthodoxy, and advaitic divisions, have been created by the

> unenlightened. Teachers don't fit into categories.

>

> For example, some will say "You can't say 'I am enlightened' because

> that means that there is someone there to be enlightened".

>

> But you can say it. Here, look --> I am enlightened!

>

> And look, I still am!!

>

> Lots of love,

>

> dave

>

> > Sorry, Dave, I have no idea who you are. I'm always happy to hear

> about

> > people's experiences. And if your life will make Awakening

> available to me I

> > shall be delighted. Even if you cannot make this avaliable to me

> I'm still

> > happy to meet you.

> >

> > Joyce

 

Namaste All,

 

Well we are honoured to have two proclaimed 'enlightened beings' on

here now. Wim and Dave!!!It should be interesting as to finding out

why these 'realised souls' are bothering so much with the internet,

and a desire for chinese food. Dave isn't an ordinary one even, he is

in the line of Ramana Maharshi.

 

That's the problem without a sadhana and a science one gets to the

plane of laya and thinks one is awakened. Or has a momentarily samadhi

whilst walking down the street, it happens. It happens all the time

between thoughts anyway.

 

I was enlightended before 5 am in the morning but I don't KNOW it yet.

 

Ahh!! well after you with the lithium.

 

ONS.....Tony.

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, "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote:

>

> daveoshana [daveoshana]

> Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:50 AM

>

> Re: Dave Oshana

>

>

> Hi Joyce,

>

> I joined this list yesterday upon hearing that Harsha had asked the

> members speaking about their experiences with me.

>

> I make Enlightenment available in dialogue meetings, over the phone,

> on the Net -- wherever.

> _______________

> Thanks Dave and welcome to the list. Yes, my powers are immense. My

mere

> mention of someone's name even in passing makes them run here and

speak of

> their enlightenment and how they can awaken others.

>

> Our last meeting was not too long ago at NDS where I suggested that

your

> practice of subscribing people to your list without their permission

was

> unethical. Is this now in your past or does that still continue?

Please

> clarify and comment. It was something the logic of which was not

fully

> grasped by me. I would appreciate your current views on the ethics

of that

> matter and discussing it before proceeding. I mean are we all in

danger of

> having our e-mail addresses having to take another ride.

>

> I realize that every guru and teacher must find its flock somewhere

Dave.

> Here, we eat enlightenment for breakfast and have gurus for lunch

and what

> we do for dinner you will have to find out.

>

> This is a mature community. We don't give a hoot about

enlightenment. Being

> straight forward and having good manners is a must.

>

> Love

> Harsha

 

Namaste All, Dave,

 

I prefer not to use the phone could you please send enlightenment over

the internet, I will forward it on to my mailing lists.....ONS..Tony

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Dear Harsha,

You wrote:

Yes, my powers are immense. My

mere

mention of someone's name even in passing makes them run here and speak

of

their enlightenment and how they can awaken

others.

I would like to add my personal testimonial to this fact.

Your powers are not to be underestimated, Harsha.

When you mentioned my name, I was impelled

to run over here and speak of my sudden

realization of being nothing special. And I found

that all around me, people suddenly

are losing track of their accomplishments.

I know I am indeed nothing special, because people

ignore me wherever I go!

I also realized that I have the power to make people nothing

special. I don't even have to do anything. See?

Isn't that amazing?

(snip)

I realize that every guru and teacher must find its flock somewhere

Dave.

Here, we eat enlightenment for breakfast and have gurus for lunch and

what

we do for dinner you will have to find out.

Burp?

And have Tony inhale and comment

about the validity of the

contents of lunch?

I'm not sure whether Tony approved

of the diet you suggest Harsha, although

I find it has definite merits ...

This is a mature community. We

don't give a hoot about enlightenment. Being

straight forward and having good manners is a

must.

Well, I greet the host with a

cyber-smile.

Hope that's considered good manners ...

Love,

Dan

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Dear Joyce --

I realize that every guru and teacher must find its flock somewhere

Dave.

J: O great, a flock! Does this mean I get to be a

flockette? One gets well and truly flocked?

I don't need a flock, just ewe ;-)

Baaaaad,

Dan

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On 6/9/01 at 5:52 PM Tony O'Clery wrote:

 

[...]

ºNamaste All,

º

ºWell we are honoured to have two proclaimed 'enlightened beings' on

ºhere now. Wim and Dave!!!It should be interesting as to finding out

ºwhy these 'realised souls' are bothering so much with the internet,

ºand a desire for chinese food. Dave isn't an ordinary one even, he is

ºin the line of Ramana Maharshi.

 

The cat here is enlightened too and that's why she is offered smoked goat

cheese...

But like Ramana in his "early" years, she refuses to talk and doesn't want to

write....

At least she can teach in silence :))

º

ºThat's the problem without a sadhana and a science one gets to the

ºplane of laya and thinks one is awakened. Or has a momentarily samadhi

ºwhilst walking down the street, it happens. It happens all the time

ºbetween thoughts anyway.

 

What happens? Nothing really happens which isn't the same and yet is...

º

ºI was enlightended before 5 am in the morning but I don't KNOW it yet.

 

How can you write down what you don't know yet?

Drugs?

º

ºAhh!! well after you with the lithium.

 

I thought so... "They" say, a few castor beans work great too :))

And there are plenty in the garden here...

 

Joy and laughter,

Jan

º

ºONS.....Tony.

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andrew:

No sweat Tony, I am actually the only enlightened

one there ever was.

love, nobody

 

oh oh....

now we have two enlightened nobodies on the

list.

dan and andrew..... and yet they say they are the

only one there ever was...

 

dan&drew ...?

 

 

:-)

Mira

I'm disqualifying myself immediately.

Love,

Dan ;-)

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Aw... Dear Tony...

 

You still do not read too well do you?

 

Love, Wim

> Well we are honoured to have two proclaimed 'enlightened beings' on

> here now. Wim and Dave!!!It should be interesting as to finding out

> why these 'realised souls' are bothering so much with the internet,

> and a desire for chinese food. Dave isn't an ordinary one even, he is

> in the line of Ramana Maharshi.

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At 02:51 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote:

Dear Mira and

Joyce

Mira wrote:

> oh oh....

> now we have two enlightened nobodies on the

list.

Two enlightened somebodies plus two enlightened nobodies

equals zero enlightened beings...

Joyce can you mark this? I don't know if it is correct, but

I think it is.

Love, Wim

Wim-math be good math.

Zeroing in on truth,

Dan

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Hi Harsha,

> Our last meeting was not too long ago at NDS where I suggested that

your

> practice of subscribing people to your list without their

permission was

> unethical. Is this now in your past or does that still continue?

Please

> clarify and comment. It was something the logic of which was not

fully

> grasped by me. I would appreciate your current views on the ethics

of that

> matter and discussing it before proceeding.

 

Glad you asked - again and again. At the moment there are roughly

7,000 people on my list, 99% have been 'forcibly d'. We did

it to save their souls..it was a small price to pay...and we don't

even send them anything!!!

 

Er...actually since that fateful day when you were d in

error instead of being merely invited to "eat enlightenment for

breakfast" - assuming you had not already had your daily fill - no-

one else has had the privelege! I don't think it was 'recent'..wasn't

it last year?

> I realize that every guru and teacher must find its flock somewhere

Dave.

> Here, we eat enlightenment for breakfast and have gurus for lunch

and what

> we do for dinner you will have to find out.

 

thank you

>

> This is a mature community. We don't give a hoot about

enlightenment.

 

Not sure what you mean here

 

>Being straight forward and having good manners is a must.

 

I agree with you

 

love dave

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Hi Dave,

>>Harsha:

>> Our last meeting was not too long ago at NDS where I suggested that

>your

>> practice of subscribing people to your list without their

>permission was

>> unethical. Is this now in your past or does that still continue?

>snip<

>

>Dave:

>Glad you asked - again and again. At the moment there are roughly

>7,000 people on my list, 99% have been 'forcibly d'.

 

Yes, that's unethical... and on a grand scale! :)

>We did

>it to save their souls.

 

That's no excuse... but it does tell a lot about you.

 

It takes a lot of nerve - and arrogance - to assume that you know those

7,000 people needed their souls saved... and that you could do it by

forcibly subscribing them to your list.

>it was a small price to pay...

 

For whom? For them? You're assuming you know what price they should pay?

For what you think they should have?

>and we don't

>even send them anything!!!

 

Just putting their names on your list was enough to save their souls?? If

one s, does he lose his soul again? :)))

>Er...actually since that fateful day when you were d in

>error instead of being merely invited to "eat enlightenment for

>breakfast" - assuming you had not already had your daily fill - no-

>one else has had the privelege! I don't think it was 'recent'..wasn't

>it last year?

 

You mean you chose Harsha for enlightenment on the last day of the calling

of the 7,000???

 

And now the rolls are closed? Was 7,000 the magic number? :)

>snip<

>>Being straight forward and having good manners is a must.

>

>I agree with you

 

You are welcome here, Dave... but don't try to forcibly save us. :)) Not

good manners, you know.

 

Love,

Dharma

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, Dharma <deva@L...> wrote:

> Hi Dave,

>

> >>Harsha:

> >> Our last meeting was not too long ago at NDS where I suggested

that

> >your

> >> practice of subscribing people to your list without their

> >permission was

> >> unethical. Is this now in your past or does that still continue?

> >snip<

> >

> >Dave:

> >Glad you asked - again and again. At the moment there are roughly

> >7,000 people on my list, 99% have been 'forcibly d'.

>

> Yes, that's unethical... and on a grand scale! :)

>

> >We did

> >it to save their souls.

>

> That's no excuse... but it does tell a lot about you.

>

> It takes a lot of nerve - and arrogance - to assume that you know

those

> 7,000 people needed their souls saved... and that you could do it

by

> forcibly subscribing them to your list.

 

 

It was a joke Dharma!!!

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At 09:01 PM 6/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

,

Dharma <deva@L...> wrote:

> Hi Dave,

>

> >>Harsha:

> >> Our last meeting was not too long ago at NDS where I

suggested

that

> >your

> >> practice of subscribing people to your list without

their

> >permission was

> >> unethical. Is this now in your past or does that still

continue?

> >snip<

> >

> >Dave:

> >Glad you asked - again and again. At the moment there are

roughly

> >7,000 people on my list, 99% have been 'forcibly

d'.

>

> Yes, that's unethical... and on a grand scale! :)

>

> >We did

> >it to save their souls.

>

> That's no excuse... but it does tell a lot about you.

>

> It takes a lot of nerve - and arrogance - to assume that you know

those

> 7,000 people needed their souls saved... and that you could do

it

by

> forcibly subscribing them to your list.

It was a joke Dharma!!!

Yes, but it was no joke when

they forcibly d me

to this karma-ridden polluted

pebble they call a "world".

Stop the world, I want to get off!

Humorously, though, the joke's on them.

I can be in two places at once ;-)

Un,

Dan

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