DHEA versus alcoholism

April 4, 2001

Hello,

My brother is alcoholic and I am not. My father was.

What I discovered recently is this. DHEA has a powerful

effect on alocohol consumption.

I had been interested for long in alcoholism, because

alcohol is a precursor of sugar. Normaly, when I take two

glasses of wine, my head is a merry go round. In spring and

summer, I run alomost every day. Then I dont feel the urge

to drink any alcohol. My body is refusing it. In winter, I

cant run as well. Wet air and low temperature make it less

attractive and less efficient. Then I can drink or feel the

urge to drink for example a glass of wine or of strong

alocohol. And it then does nothing to me. My body accepts

it. I then sometimes feel an urge to take some.

Now, in Canada, they give a lot of honey and pancakes to

hardworker (wood cutters for example). Honey and sugar

products at will. This is exactly to bypass the urge for

alcohol.

Now here is my experience with DHEA, related to alcohol. It

is an excerpt from another post I did yesterday on another

list :

'I began taking DHEA october 12th 2000. I was 51 and had

difficulties

running, though I did 6 miles a day, 3 times a week. One

himalayan

climber friend of mine, same age, had told me 'If I knew of

any

miracle pill to stay young, I'd take it'. I knew of it,

through

Internet, it was DHEA. I ordered it from the US (I am

french).

The first day I took two 50 mg pills (180 mg pills for $18

plus

shipping). I went to restaurant and found alcohol (one glass

of wine

and my head is a merry-go-round) had no more effect on me. I

checked

that several times and decided, as a consequence, to avoid

beverages,

except when at restaurant with friends. I decided that

after, in a

mexican restaurant, I swallowed half a gallon of sangrilla,

without

noticing it.

As a chess player on playsite.com, I noticed that, after 5

hours of

continuous games, my opponents level was collapsing. Not

mine. So, I

was then winning on continuously, though till then we were a

match.

This is not me, it is DHEA.

Last thing, a month ago, I just ran 20km (12 miles) under

the rain

with no difficulties and no drawbacks the aftermath.

I cross cheked. I stopped taking DHEA for 3 days. Then I

took two

glasses of wine, and my head was... a merry-go-round.

So, had I known DHEA sooner, I'd have taken it in my late

thirties,

when I first got difficulties in running (muscles torn).

I have had only satisfaction with DHEA.

The prostate cancer threat is only for those who have a

predisposition. And it is not DHEA, it is the increase in

prostatic

liquid that makes the prostate work more.

I also take pregnenolone, which is the DHEA precursor. I

swap 3 days

DHEA, one day pregnenonlone.'

So I feel alcohol is linked to metabolic needs and

peculiarities. This is an interesting field to study,

methinks.

Mainly is fast sugar (honey or melass) might be of some use.

I'd be glad if anyone on this list had further insight on

alcohol, sugar and DHEA links.

Anecdotically, I am 215 pounds in winter with alocohol

tolerance and 180 in spring and summer with no alcohol

tolerance (my body just refuses it !).

Greetings from France,

Froggy Jacques

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April 4, 2001

I'd be glad if anyone on this list had further insight on

alcohol, sugar and DHEA links.

May I ask what DHEA is??? Your post is very interesting... I grew up

in an alcoholic family.. My father, and brother are, and yet the

women in the family are not... The connection between sugar and

alcohol is even more interesting.. Hypoglocemia runs in the family as

well... My father, brother, and sister have it... Makes so much

sense.... My father and brother crave sugar above and beyond normal

standards, yet its bad for them... and they crave the drink also....

I never thought it would be a metabolic need {which is really not

good for them physically} because too much sugar in a hypglocemic can

cause them to go into deep sleep coma like sleep...

I never wondered the why they might want it.

Just some ramblings from someone who hasnt a clue about this subject.

Lynette

April 4, 2001

Hello Jacques:

Both of my parents were alcoholics as well as my brothers and many of

my aunts, uncles and cousins. My sister seems to be the only family

member that can "hold her liquor" and interestingly enough she does

not have much of a taste for sugar. In her late teens she almost

died from anorexia and her physical system seems to be different from

the rest of us as a result of reducing her body weight to 56 lbs and

going into a comatose state. I learned early on that if I went past

a certain point with liquor I was unable to stop drinking and would

experience unpleasant side effects....therefore, after getting drunk

a couple of times in my early twenties I chose not to drink.

However, I definitely have a "sugar thing" and am hypoglycemic. After

I moved back north from FL my first winter of being stuck indoors

without enough sun and exercise did lead me to an increased sugar

intake (along with body weight), this winter I did better but still

have had strong sugar cravings. I have always attributed the sugar

cravings (which have been present since I was a very young child) as

part of the genetic make up for alcoholism.

I find your DHEA link interesting...when I was in my mid-forties I

took DHEA to balance out my hormones and did experience increased

energy. However, due to increased menstrual activity my health care

practitioner took me off DHEA and told me at the time that DHEA

needed to be used with caution and that it should not be an everyday

part of one's herbal routine.

Mark, your observation about medicating with drugs and alcohol for the

deep spiritual craving rings so true. My three brothers are in their

forties and fifties and are active drinkers....one brother is an

agnostic by choice, the other two appear to be very angry at the God

of their choice and all of them think I'm just crazy and my spiritual

choices pretty much stupid...in their opinion their drinking has not

rendered their life any less successful than mine :-). Hope you are

feeling less depressed....I read somewhere that when one stops

self-medicating all of those suppressed feelings must come up at some

time or another....yogically, of course, they are just samskaras and

eventually we move beyond them.

Linda

>So I feel alcohol is linked to metabolic needs and>peculiarities.

This is an interesting field to study,>methinks.>Mainly is fast sugar

(honey or melass) might be of some use.>I'd be glad if anyone on this

list had further insight on>alcohol, sugar and DHEA links.>Greetings

from France,>Froggy JacquesJacques De Schryver et Linda

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>>> jyotish 04/04/01 07:25AM >>>

.....I read somewhere that when one stops

self-medicating all of those suppressed feelings must come up at some

time or another....yogically, of course, they are just samskaras and

eventually we move beyond them.

Linda

Hi Linda, Mark and everyone,

Linda I found your comments on the emergence of suppressed feelings in

alchoholics resonates. My dad was an alchoholic and he kept his life fairly

tightly under control, all systems working, through his drinking years. When he

went into recovery, all hell broke loose. It took a couple of years, but he

became profoundly depressed, suicidal, and eventually quite mentally ill, with

delusions and hallucinations. He did eventually recover from that deep dark

period. I have a number of friends who are recovering alcoholics with similar

stories. I have often thought about the parallels between addiction recovery

and the spiritual life, especially since I began to experience kundalini. It's

like being on a fast track for clearing, and the rate at which things come up to

get tossed out, is in both cases, pretty overwhelming at times.

It seems from the posts of the last days we can have our own ACOA group within

the satsangh. It's kind of surprising the number of us with these

addictions within our families or our own experience.

Jill

>So I feel alcohol is linked to metabolic needs and

>peculiarities. This is an interesting field to study,

>methinks.

>Mainly is fast sugar (honey or melass) might be of some use.

>I'd be glad if anyone on this list had further insight on

>alcohol, sugar and DHEA links.

>Greetings from France,

>Froggy Jacques

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subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not

different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the

nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always

Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart

to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the

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