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Please trans. --

yathA AjnApayati devaH

tatas tena siMhavyAghrAdIn uttamaparijanAn prApya sRigAlAn avalokya lajjamAnena avajnayA dUrIkRitAH svajnAtayaH

I have told you "Concept of KriSNa" in Krishna Talk group. Now I post the matter on 3 entities of Buddha

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Brahman -- Dharmakaya

ViSNu -- Sambhogakaya

KriSNa -- Nirmanakaya

Three bodies of the Buddha (Skt. trikaya)

1. Dharmakaya: The Dharma-body, or the "body of reality", which is formless, unchanging, transcendental, and inconceivable. Synonymous with suchness, or emptiness. 2. Sambhogakaya: the "body of enjoyment", the celestial body of the Buddha. Personification of eternal perfection in its ultimate sense. It "resides" in the Pure Land and never manifests itself in the mundane world, but only in the celestial spheres, accompanied by enlightened Bodhisattvas. 3. Nirmanakaya: the "incarnated body" of the Buddha. In order to benefit certain sentient beings, a Buddha incarnates himself into an appropriate visible body, such as that of Sakyamuni Buddha.

The incarnated body of the Buddha should not be confused with a magically produced Buddha. The former is a real, tangible human body which has a definite life span, The latter is an illusory Buddha-form which is produced with miraculous

powers and can be withdrawn with miraculous powers (G.C.C. Chang).

For instance, I would think a person who lived a devout Islamic life, would take birth next following a similar religion with the same mood.

Right. This suggests that in spite of samsara, there may be continuity in incarnations due to sanga.

However, suppose a Muslim treated a Hindu poorly in this life. It is possible he will take birth as a Hindu in his next life, in order to receive similar treatment.

In some NDE reports, souls would see the appearance of Christ/ViSNu from the darkness as a being of bright light. They would be shown their deeds of current life simultaneously in a roll of film or an opened scroll. They would then be given a couple of options of the future. Thus God's will & individuals' will would mingle to determine the future ways. These reports were depicted from the point of ethereal/astral world.

In Tantra doctrines, on the contrary, death, incarnation, & karma are depicted from the point of people's collective inside world. Karma runs automatically in people's hearts that is interconnected as one world so that individuals become the parts & parcels of God. Thus if you say "I wouldn't be punished. No one can cast me down to hell." I can rely "You may go into & out of hell whenever you wish to, because God is just in your heart."

According to Tantra doctrines, a soul departs from his body after death, but it still attaches to the fundamental element -- ether to be a being of ethereal light. Scientists concluded with arbitrary that there is no medium for electricity, magnetism, & force. People believe in the medium say that it exists in another world. But it is said in Tantra to be an unmanifested element. Consciousness is the approach to realize it.

Spread your + brain waves.

Don't too concern about it. The people love war will rush into black mouth of terror with their own legs automatically like robots.

I ought to tell you why I'm so active at this topic -- It's a deep question. You won't solve it as long as you keep attaching to the senses & notions from the outer world, Avinash. Delicate logic is of no use.

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Rel. of KriSNA with his brother:

Black - White

Rel. of Rama with his brothers:

1 = 1/2 + 1/2;

1/2 = 1/4 + 1/4;

1/4 = 1/8 + 1/8;

Perhaps, you are trying to say that God knows all possibilities about future. I agree that this is not contradictory to free will. But, if God knows exactly what is going to happen at a given place and at a given time in a given universe, then again, we have no free will.

You're approaching the answer. Don't stay any longer in Newton's age. A solid matter in macroscale consists of particles in irregular movement in microscale. If future is thoroughly fixed, all prophercies are insignificant; if it is thoroughly unknown, all prophets are cheats. These are the explanations of "God is/isn't omniscient."

I understand Avinash's notion. He underestimates time, logic & God as a single line, an axiom, & a man. Clear away these stiff material models from your limited brain & accept a vivid, marvelous, unlimited cosmos. See --

Bhg.

This Prakriti is My lower energy. My other higher energy is the Purusha by which this entire universe is sustained, O Arjuna. (7.05)

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But those who worship the imperishable, the undefinable, the unmanifest, the omnipresent, the unthinkable, the unchanging, the immovable, and the eternal Brahman; (12.03)

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Self-realization is more difficult for those who fix their mind on the formless Brahman, because the comprehension of the unmanifest Brahman by the average embodied human being is very difficult. (12.05)

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Esdras II

4:1 Then the angel that had been sent to me, whose name was Uriel, answered

4:2 and said to me, "Your understanding has utterly failed regarding this world, and do you think you can comprehend the way of the Most High?"

4:3 Then I said, "Yes, my lord." And he replied to me, "I have been sent to show you three ways, and to put before you three problems.

4:4 If you can solve one of them for me, I also will show you the way you desire to see, and will teach you why the heart is evil."

4:5 I said, "Speak on, my lord." And he said to me, "Go, weigh for me the weight of fire, or measure for me a measure of wind, or call back for me the day that is past."

4:6 I answered and said, "Who of those that have been born can do this, that you ask me concerning these things?"

4:7 And he said to me, "If I had asked you, How many dwellings are in the heart of the sea, or how many streams are at the source of the deep, or how many streams are above the firmament, or which are the exits of hell, or which are the entrances of paradise?

4:8 Perhaps you would have said to me, I never went down into the deep, nor as yet into hell, neither did I ever ascend into heaven.

4:9 But now I have asked you only about fire and wind and the day, things through which you have passed and without which you cannot exist, and you have given me no answer about them!"

4:10 And he said to me, "You cannot understand the things with which you have grown up;

4:11 how then can your mind comprehend the way of the Most High? And how can one who is already worn out by the corrupt world understand incorruption?" When I heard this, I fell on my face

4:12 and said to him, "It would be better for us not to be here than to come here and live in ungodliness, and to suffer and not understand why."

4:13 He answered me and said, "I went into a forest of trees of the plain, and they made a plan

4:14 and said, Come, let us go and make war against the sea, that it may recede before us, and that we may make for ourselves more forests.

4:15 And in like manner the waves of the sea also made a plan and said, Come, let us go up and subdue the forest of the plain so that there also we may gain more territory for ourselves.

4:16 But the plan of the forest was in vain, for the fire came and consumed it;

4:17 likewise also the plan of the waves of the sea, for the sand stood firm and stopped them.

4:18 If now you were a judge between them, which would you undertake to justify, and which to condemn?"

4:19 I answered and said, "Each has made a foolish plan, for the land is assigned to the forest, and to the sea is assigned a place to carry its waves."

4:20 He answered me and said, "You have judged rightly, but why have you not judged so in your own case?

4:21 For as the land is assigned to the forest and the sea to its waves, so also those who dwell upon earth can understand only what is on the earth, and he who is above the heavens can understand what is above the height of the heavens."

Robin Munro, a British human rights researcher who has no connection to the committee, said he reviewed the documents that it gathered and believed they were genuine.

Let's play an interactive game.

Con.: o = The Box;

Var.: d = Collective Brain Wave;

Var.: ? = The Future !;

Location: In 4D space of +/- x, +/- y , +/- z , & +/- t

Algebraic Formula: o + d = ? (0 < d < o)

The Algebraic Formula looks static. Let me show you the other face of it --

Function Formula: ? = f(d) = o + d (0 < d < o)

It looks dynamic.

Often a question is asked, "Can God make a rock so heavy that He can not lift?". If you say "yes", then the questioner will say, "Look, God can not lift the stone, so He is not omnipotent. If you answer "no", then he will say, "Look, He can not create such kind of stone, so He is not omnipotent."

If I reply "yes/no", what will you conclude? I'm not kidding now.

Consider a person who is a great mathematician. He is asked to draw a triangle whose sides have lengths 1 cm, 1 cm, and 3 cm. He can not do it. But it does not mean that he does not have good knowledge of Geometry. He can not do because the length of any side of a triangle can not be more than the sum of the lengths of its other two sides.

Who did tell you "He can not do because the length of any side of a triangle can not be more than the sum of the lengths of its other two sides. ", God? Your geometric teacher told it as an axiom. God is ever higher than an axiom.

Suppose we have two olympic athletes. One is a puny, scrawny fellow, the other a well toned, athlete.

I know one of this type of races -- Mbh. war, in which KriSNa took the reins of its progress for his mission because incarnated asuras had expanded their armies in all finesses.

If this is true, then everything is pre-determined. So, if a person does something, this means that he had to do it. He may think that he is doing it because he wants to do it. But, in reality, he had to want to do that.

Batman said "Not because I have to be. Because I choose to be." You have free will like God. God is/isn't omniscient. -- my personal views.

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Thus the future extends indefinitely.

Time is not a line. It's nothing. Infinite states coexist there. But you brain can accept one in a time.

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when we return there we would never have been gone.

You can go nowhere for you are a soul.

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Let's play an interactive game.

Con.: o = The Box;

Var.: d = Collective Brain Wave;

Var.: ? = The Future !;

Location: In 4D space of +/- x, +/- y , +/- z , & +/- t

Algebraic Formula: o + d = ? (0 < d < o)

U don't look so junior to me.

We can see through those '000' portholes.

U ain't foolin' nobody.

We know u r in behind there somewhere.

Likewise, in the tenth year of the Trojan War, Apollo came down from heaven darker than night (although he is usually called the bright one) and, in order to punish the arrogance of Agamemnon who had humiliated and dismissed one of his priests, the god let his arrows rain on the Achaean camp, decimating the army by means of a pestilence that took many lives.

Go on with "KRSNArjun" now.

Please explain nara-narayana.

Atlantis was Poseidon (Neptune)'s realm.

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Yes.I made a very very little error.Only Cyrus

You know who I am.

According to Bible, Cyrus & Alexander Might be taken adv. as God's tools. It is said in Bible that Alexander became more & more arrogant during his invasion.

Please pay extra attention to Mbh.'s ending, which is as important as the myth at the beginning. For a soul that attaches to his flesh & world, suras is better than asuras. But in Brahman's (not viSNu's) Great Plan, they are equal & responsible for opposite missions. Refer to --

The Keys Of Enoch

I was told how those who govern the power upon the earth are those who have fallen from the higher heavens and now indwell in the stars known by earthman as Ursa Major. From this threshold gate, they control one of the major entrance points into our local system from the higher heavens.

I saw how the Masters from previous cycles were cast down to these stars from which they now govern the lower planetary worlds and the karmic penalties that were assigned to each. I was shown how earth was part of a biochemical testing zone using both fallen and divine thoughtforms in determining what type of intelligence could eventually free itself from the countless physical rounds of existence controlled by the fallen hierarchies inhabiting the regions of Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, Polaris, and Thuban. These realms contain beings in imperfect bodies of Light who use their power to establish themselves as gods in the lower realms.

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Bhg.

A Karma-yogi gets freedom from both vice and virtue in this life

itself. Therefore, strive for Karma-yoga. Working to the best of

one's abilities without getting attached to the fruits of work is

called (Nishkaama) Karma-yoga. (2.50)

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Raaga and Dwesha (or the attachments and aversions) for the sense objects remain in the senses. One should not come under the control of these two, because they are two stumbling blocks, indeed, on one's path of Self-realization. (3.34)

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The Lord does not take the (responsibility for) good or evil deeds

of anybody. The knowledge is covered by (the veil of) ignorance, thereby people are deluded. (5.15)

Most of us (I am sure) are certainly not as bad as Duryodhana, even then, why can not we have even a glimpse of Lord, even after a fervent prayer?

Not because Lord is unfair. Becuase you are deluded. You are treated with equity at any time & you never know it.

But their knowledge, whose ignorance is destroyed by the

Self-knowledge, reveals the Supreme like the sun (reveals the

beauty of objects of the world). (5.16)

They, whose mind and intellect are absorbed in the Self, who remain firmly attached with the Self, who have Self as their supreme goal, whose sins (or impurities) have been destroyed by the knowledge, do not take birth again. (5.17)

An enlightened person looks at a learned and humble Braahmana, an outcast, even a cow, an elephant, or a dog with an equal eye.

(5.18)

Everything has been accomplished in this very life by those whose

mind is set in equality. Such a person has realized Brahman because

Brahman is flawless and impartial. (See also 18.55) (5.19)

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A person is considered superior who is impartial towards

companions, friends, enemies, neutrals, arbiters, haters,

relatives, saints, and sinners. (6.09)

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All beings in this world are in utter ignorance due to the delusion

of dualities born of likes and dislikes, O Arjuna. (7.27)

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The Self is present equally in all beings. There is no one hateful or

dear to Me. But, those who worship Me with devotion, they are with Me

and I am also with them. (See also 7.18) (9.29)

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Of these, Sattva, being calm, is illuminating and ethical. It

fetters the embodied being, the Jeevaatma or Purusha, by attachment

to happiness and knowledge, O Arjuna. (14.06)

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At 1st, Please notice my word that there is no country in the world could be treated as a particular country.

As a spirit soul having been in a Chinese material body for the past twenty three plus years and having been exposed to Chinese culture since I was a child,I have to say that Chinese culture has a side which is deeply materialistic.

Unfortunately that appears to be true. Even a materialist would be uncomfortable if you damned him with "to hell" or "die". Let's see the others. When they get into some trouble, right away they remember that there is sth. named "God". After saying "God help me", they throw away it like an idol or trash soon. In a word, it's hard to find a 100% theist now.

Revelation

3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Also, how would you guys compare Chinese philosophy with Krsna Consciousness. I was thinking there could be many similarities. First with the Buddhist influence the belief in Karma, vegetarianism, etc.... This could be a good foundation on which Krsna Consciousness could build on.

The 1st thing you will do must be comparing Buddhism & Bhakti. They are quite alike.

Also is any religion allowed in China right now? I always hear about Falun Gong people being tortured and tormented, and Stonehearted's comments made me concerned that devotees might be undergoing similar treatment. Any info on current preaching?

Ask yourselves "why Fa Lun (Dharma Wheel) Gong boomed & declined so rapid in China instead of India?" Because China & India are Different Material concepts, & all religions are the trees rooted in different soils.

He pesonally told me how difficult it is because he needed to use words which had no Buddhist afilliation with them which was difficult as Buddhist throught is deeply staterated into the Chinese lanuage?

It's impossible to clear some Buddhistic terms from Chinese brains. You have to treated Buddhism as Bhakti's brother. For a Chinese, your translations looks odd & the names & terms are too long. Chinese char.s are complicated, aren't they?

Divorce & City

Isaiah

50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.

50:2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because there is no water, and dieth for thirst.

50:3 I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.

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59:1 Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

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60:17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

60:18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.

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65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

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66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Do you like the relationship of Islam/Israel? Do you like painful divorce?

I have revised my specifications. Choose proper sizes for them to avoid too small circulation, please.

I Have A Dream

Be Better Traders.

If India does not belong to S. Asia, S. Asia does not belong to India, too.

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Please put a set of proof coins into your coin issue plan.

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silver alloy, purity >=90%, stainless;

copper alloy, stainless;

stainless steel<LI>Rigidity - pliable; pliable; moderate or rigid; rigid;<LI>Shape - foursquare, round corners<LI>Color - golden;

silvery;

optional from coppery to brassy;

very light grey<LI>Thickness - thick; thick; thin; thin<LI>Par value - 1000 Rs; 100 Rs; 10 Rs; 1 Rs<LI>Foreground in up-face - shell & texts/patterns, intensely convex;

lotus & texts/patterns, intensely convex;

rod & texts/patterns, convex;

wheel & texts/patterns, convex;

- smooth surfaces<LI>Background in up-face - slightly concave; slightly concave; plane; plane;

- smooth surface<LI>Foreground in down-face - frontal Garuda with opened wings & texts/patterns, intensely convex;

frontal Garuda with opened wings & texts/patterns, intensely convex;

frontal Garuda with opened wings & texts/patterns, convex;

frontal Garuda with opened wings & texts/patterns, convex;

- smooth surface<LI>Background in down-face - slightly concave; slightly concave; plane; plane;

- smooth surface<LI>Side-face - concave texts/patterns or nothing;

concave texts/patterns or nothing;

nothing;

nothing;

- plane, smooth side

Any problems & other specifications are at your hands.

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