Tackleberry, this is the last limit of atheism to say BHAGAVA SHANKAR is mere a demi-god. In our Vedic Literatures and Divine Scriptures HE is called either a Unique Devotee of SHREEKRISHN or an aspect of Supreme Personality of GODHEAD.
Like, in Shrimad Bhagavatam, BHAGAVAN SHANKR is called a Unique Devotee of SHREEKRISHN :
Nimnagaayaam yathaa ganga devaanaam yathaa achyuto |
Vaishnavaanaam yathaa SHAMBHU puraanaanaam idam tatha ||
" As GANGAJI ( Liquid BRAHM ) is the most pious river in Trailok, As VISHNU is the topmost among all the Devatas, As SHAMBHU is the unique devotee among all the infinite Vaishnavas of Infinte Spiritual Universe, this puran ( Shrimad Bhagavatam ) is unique among all the eighteen puranas revealed by BHAGAVAN VEDVYASJI. "
One may say that one of the sutras of Narad-Bhakti-Darshan says that " yathaa vrajgopikaanaam " means the unique devotees are Vraj-Gopis.Here BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is not stated as unique devotee but Vraj-Gopis are stated in Narad-Bhakti-Darshan. Then whether Srimad-Bhagavatam is correct or Narad-Bhakti-Darshan ? The answer is : Both are correct !! Because BHAGAVAN SHANKAR also assumes the form of Vraj-Gopi namely SHIVANI GOPI. So, this SHIVANI GOPI is understood in that sutra of Narad-Bhakti-Darshan. This will be discussed after a few minutes.
Now, in our Upanishad HE is said as Supreme Power :
Maayinaam tu MAHESHWARAM |
Purushamevedam sarvam eko RUDRO na dwitiyaay vidyate |
These Vedic Mantras mean “ there is only one PURUSH who is creator, sustainer and annihilator of this Infinite Cosmos. THAT PURUSH is RUDRA ( BHAGAVAN SHANKAR ). ’’
In NILARUDRA Upanishad, it is said that –
“ those who differentiate between BHAGAVAN VISHNU and BHAGAVAN SHANKAR goes to the darkest region of Maya. ’’
By common sense, everyone can understand that every non-living and living beings including demi-gods, devatas, humans, demons, small creatures like insects, bacteria, virus etc. get destroyed at the time of the final cosmic annihilation called Mahapralaya. And BHAGAVAN SHIVA is annihilator of infinite universes according to our Scriptures. Can demi-god or devata can annihilate infinite universes ? No. And BHAGAVAN SHIVA remains existing even after this annihilation. This means that HE is Supreme Power and there is no difference between MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA. THEY are another two forms of SHREEKRISN. Like, ice and vapor are two forms of water but hydrogen and oxygen molecules are there in all the three forms. Similarly, all the Divine Power are there in SHREEKRISHN, MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA but their workings are different and ya SHREEKRISHN is real cause of MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA like water is the real cause of ice and vapor.
Now, you have given the reference of Shrimad Bhagavatam about that MOHINI Incarnation of SHREEKRISHN and said that BHAGAVAN SHANKAR’s senses got agitated on seeing this incarnation. But that was the Divine Lila between GOD ( SHREEKRISHN ) and HIS Dear Devotee ( SHANKAR ). It is not like that you see a naked person and your senses get agitated out of your demoniac lust. Because about BHAGAVAN SHANKAR it is written in our scripture that - “ nahi swatmaramam vishya mrigtrishnabhramayati ” means lust ( vishay mrigtrushna) can even not stand before the Supreme Yogi ( SHIVA ) of Kailas Abode. THIS same BHAGAVAN SHANKAR destroys Kamdeva very easily by opening HIS third-eye. So, your argument about the verse of Shrimad Bhagavatam is hollow.
Now, come to the other argument given by you with the reference of the verse of Bhagavad Gita ( 7.23 ). In this verse SHREEKRISHN says not to worship demi-gods for worldly pleasure. But since BHAGAVAN SHIVA is not demi-god, this verse is not at all applicable to HIM. So, this is your another dark ignorance.
i am very much engry with you and also sad because there is an atheist like you in such a famous institute called ISKCON. If Shril Prabhupadji were here and he would know your ignorance then he would certainly call you rascal. Because ‘rascal’ was his favorite word for atheist. i cannot say you rascal because I am also bound Jeevatma like you and everyone. In SHIVA-Puran, BHAGAVAN SHIVA is stated as Paramatma. This means that there is no difference between MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA. But, the confused soul like you never consider SHIVA-Puran as Divine Scripture and will consider as a product of Tamogun ( mode of ignorance ).
Now, to make your understanding more clear, here i would like to tell some special devotional features of BHAGAVAN SHANKAR which are impossible to find in other devotees. Because BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is a devotee-aspect of Supreme Personality of Godhead, SHREEKRISHN as confirmed in Brahmsamhita 5.45 ( read also the commentary of Shril Jeev Goswami on this shloka ). Those devotional features are as follows :
( 1 ) There is no difference between body ( Sharir ) and AATMA
( Shariri ) of BHAGAVAN SHANKAR. This fact is
similarly applicable to HIS SHREERAM Bhakt form i.e.
to HIS HANUMAN form as well as HIS
ADVAITACHARYA form through which HE serves
SHREECHAITANYA MAHAPRABHUJI.
While for other devotee of Spiritual Universe,
there is a difference between his Spiritual Body and his
Aatma.
( 2 ) According to the Vedant-Sutra
" Jagadvyaapaar varjam ", SHREEKRISHN doesn't give
right to any of HIS infinte devotees of Spiritual Universe to
deal with the work related to creation of infinite
material universes. But the only devotee BHAGAVAN
SHANKAR can deal with and is dealing with the same
task.
( 3 ) Infinite Devotees of SHREEKRISHN of Spiritual Universe
are Mayatit ( i.e. are beyond any kind of influence
of material nature and not controller of this material
nature as well ) but are YOGAMAYAdhin ( i.e. are
governed by YOGAMAYA ) in Spiritual Universe.
While BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is such a
devotee who is MAYADHISH ( i.e. is beyond any
kind of influence of material nature as well as controller of
material nature ) and also YOGAMAYADHISH ( i.e.
governor of YOGAMAYA and that's why called
PARVATINAYAK ).
( 4 ) SHREEKRISHN's infinite devotees of Spiritual Universe are
Sat-Chit-Aanand-may ( i.e. are full of Eternity-Knowledge-
Bliss ).
While BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is such a devotee
who is SAT-CHIT-AANAND-GHAN ( i.e. Personified and
Solidified Eternity-Knowledge-Bliss ).
( 5 ) There are five Bhav ( i.e. Devotional Feelings ) to serve
SHREEKRISHN. In ascending order, first is Shant-Bhav
( of Vaikunth’s and Dwarika’s inhabitants’ ), then Dasya-Bhav
( of Saket’s inhabitants ), third is Sakhya-Bhaav ( of Arjun or of
Gopabal of Vraj ) then Vatsalya-Bhav ( of
Kaushalyaji-Dasharathmaharaj and
Yashodaji-Nandmaharaj ) and fifth is the topmost
Madhurya-Bhav ( of Vraj-Gopis ).
The devotee of SHREEKRISHN of Spiritual
Universe cannot enter into the higher state than his own.
Means, the devotee of Sakhya-Bhav can enter into the
Divine Regions of Dasya-Bhav and Shant-Bhav but
cannot enter into the Divine Regions of Vatsalya-Bhav
and Madhurya-Bhav. And so on for other devotees of
different Bhav.
But yes, devotee of Madhurya-Bhav can enter
into all the Divine Spaces of rest of the four Bhav. Thus,
he can enter into all the five Divine Spaces of Bhav. But
he can remain in and enjoy only one Divine Space at the
same time, not all the Divine Spaces of five Bhav
simultaneously.
But being a multi-dimensional Supreme
Personality of Godhead, BHAGAVAN SHANKAR can
enjoy and is enjoying all the five Divine Spaces
simultaneously. For example,
-the Divine Space of Shant-Bhav, in HIS own infinite
Abode Kailas Dham, HE enjoys HIS Absolute
Niranjan Samadhi in which HE meditates upon "
SHREEMAHAVISHNU-pad-nakhmani-
chandrikaaprakash " ( i.e. the Cool and Calm Divine
Light coming out from the Diamond of the nail of the
toe of the right leg of SHREEMAHAVISHNU ).
-the Divine Space of Dasya-Bhav, HE enjoys
different Leelas ( i.e. playful activities ) with HIS
SOUL-BELOVED SHREESITARAM by
assuming the form of HANUMAANJI. BHAGAVAN
SHANKAR also assumes the form of Murai Gupt ( which is
the expansion of HIS HANUMAN form ) while
undisappearance of SHREECHAITANYA
MAHAPRABHUJI on our planet Earth.
----When SHREERADHARANI undisappears on
our planet Earth in the form of SHREECHAITANYA
MAHAPRABHUJI, BHAGAVAN SHANKAR
assumes the form of ADWAITACHARYA ( which is
combined form of MAHAVISHNU and SADASHIV )
and in this form HE enjoys the Ras ( i.e. Divine Juice )
of Sakhya-Bhav and Vatsalya-Bhav depending
upon the Leela performed by SHREECHAITANYA
MAHAPRABHUJI.
-the Divine Space of Madhurya-Bhav,
BHAGAVAN SHANKAR assumes the form of
SHIVANI GOPI and enjoys the Supreme Divine
Juice by taking part in MahaRas with
SHREEKRISHN.
( 6 ) SHREEKRISHN sings a Loving Sweet Name
of HIS SOUL i.e. SHEERADHARANI in HIS
melodious Flute. This Flute is the root cause of
MahaRas Lila because after playing It, MahaRas
starts. Now, according to Veda-Mantra " Vansheehee tu
bhagavaan rudrah " , this Flute is no other than
BHAGAVAN SHANKAR Himself. It means that, in the
Divine Space of Madhurya-Bhav, BHAGAVAN
SHANKAR assumes two devotional forms : one is of
melodious Flute and the other is of SHIVANI GOPI.
Just imagine, BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is
drinking Vaikunth-Ras, Saket-Ras and Vraj-Ras of
infinite amount simultaneously even right now !!!! Then
what would be the extent of HIS Prem ( i.e. Divine Love )
for SHREEKRISHN !!!!??
So these are some of the devotional features of BHAGAVAAN SHANKAR out of HIS infinite devotional qualities. In reality, HIS devotional features are far beyond than these qualities stated above. In the words of a Gandharva Devotee namely, Pushpadantji :
Mahimnah paaram te paramavidusho yadhya sadrishi
Stutirbrahmaadinaamapi tadav sannastvayi girah |
Athaavaachyaasarva swamatiparinaamaavadhigrinan
Mamaapyeshastotre hara nirapavaadaparikarah ||
" O my dear BHAGAVAN SHANKAR ! if qualified intellect is necessary to chant your glorification, even intellect of Brahmaajee is not that much sufficient for that chanting. Because all are showing limits of their intellects, not your glorification. But despite of this, YOU accept their prayers. So i hope there should be no problem in accepting my this prayer which is born out of my limited knowledge. "
I bow down unto the lotus-feet of infinite devotees of SHREEKRISHN in Spiritual Universe. I am not interested at all in saying that other devotees of SHREEKRISHN in Spiritual Universe are inferior to BHAGAVAN SHANKAR. But my aim is to share the idea that such is our BHAGAVAN SHANKAR, a unique devotee.
Finally,there is no difference between HARI and HARA.
O my dear BHAGAVAN SHANKAR ! O my dear HANUMAANJI ! O my dear ADWAITACHARYAJI ! O my dear SADASHIV ! From YOU, i beg a single drop of that Divine Juice which YOU relish in the form of SHIVANI GOPI with my SOUL-BELOVED SHREERADHAKRISHN. From YOU, i beg Nishkam (i.e. selfishnessless ) Devotion unto the Lotus-Feet of my SOUL-BELOVED SHREERADHAKRISHN.
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Namaste everyone except tackeberry,
Tackleberry, this is the last limit of atheism to say BHAGAVA SHANKAR is mere a demi-god. In our Vedic Literatures and Divine Scriptures HE is called either a Unique Devotee of SHREEKRISHN or an aspect of Supreme Personality of GODHEAD.
Like, in Shrimad Bhagavatam, BHAGAVAN SHANKR is called a Unique Devotee of SHREEKRISHN :
Nimnagaayaam yathaa ganga devaanaam yathaa achyuto |
Vaishnavaanaam yathaa SHAMBHU puraanaanaam idam tatha ||
" As GANGAJI ( Liquid BRAHM ) is the most pious river in Trailok, As VISHNU is the topmost among all the Devatas, As SHAMBHU is the unique devotee among all the infinite Vaishnavas of Infinte Spiritual Universe, this puran ( Shrimad Bhagavatam ) is unique among all the eighteen puranas revealed by BHAGAVAN VEDVYASJI. "
One may say that one of the sutras of Narad-Bhakti-Darshan says that " yathaa vrajgopikaanaam " means the unique devotees are Vraj-Gopis.Here BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is not stated as unique devotee but Vraj-Gopis are stated in Narad-Bhakti-Darshan. Then whether Srimad-Bhagavatam is correct or Narad-Bhakti-Darshan ? The answer is : Both are correct !! Because BHAGAVAN SHANKAR also assumes the form of Vraj-Gopi namely SHIVANI GOPI. So, this SHIVANI GOPI is understood in that sutra of Narad-Bhakti-Darshan. This will be discussed after a few minutes.
Now, in our Upanishad HE is said as Supreme Power :
Maayinaam tu MAHESHWARAM |
Purushamevedam sarvam eko RUDRO na dwitiyaay vidyate |
These Vedic Mantras mean “ there is only one PURUSH who is creator, sustainer and annihilator of this Infinite Cosmos. THAT PURUSH is RUDRA ( BHAGAVAN SHANKAR ). ’’
In NILARUDRA Upanishad, it is said that –
“ those who differentiate between BHAGAVAN VISHNU and BHAGAVAN SHANKAR goes to the darkest region of Maya. ’’
By common sense, everyone can understand that every non-living and living beings including demi-gods, devatas, humans, demons, small creatures like insects, bacteria, virus etc. get destroyed at the time of the final cosmic annihilation called Mahapralaya. And BHAGAVAN SHIVA is annihilator of infinite universes according to our Scriptures. Can demi-god or devata can annihilate infinite universes ? No. And BHAGAVAN SHIVA remains existing even after this annihilation. This means that HE is Supreme Power and there is no difference between MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA. THEY are another two forms of SHREEKRISN. Like, ice and vapor are two forms of water but hydrogen and oxygen molecules are there in all the three forms. Similarly, all the Divine Power are there in SHREEKRISHN, MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA but their workings are different and ya SHREEKRISHN is real cause of MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA like water is the real cause of ice and vapor.
Now, you have given the reference of Shrimad Bhagavatam about that MOHINI Incarnation of SHREEKRISHN and said that BHAGAVAN SHANKAR’s senses got agitated on seeing this incarnation. But that was the Divine Lila between GOD ( SHREEKRISHN ) and HIS Dear Devotee ( SHANKAR ). It is not like that you see a naked person and your senses get agitated out of your demoniac lust. Because about BHAGAVAN SHANKAR it is written in our scripture that - “ nahi swatmaramam vishya mrigtrishnabhramayati ” means lust ( vishay mrigtrushna) can even not stand before the Supreme Yogi ( SHIVA ) of Kailas Abode. THIS same BHAGAVAN SHANKAR destroys Kamdeva very easily by opening HIS third-eye. So, your argument about the verse of Shrimad Bhagavatam is hollow.
Now, come to the other argument given by you with the reference of the verse of Bhagavad Gita ( 7.23 ). In this verse SHREEKRISHN says not to worship demi-gods for worldly pleasure. But since BHAGAVAN SHIVA is not demi-god, this verse is not at all applicable to HIM. So, this is your another dark ignorance.
i am very much engry with you and also sad because there is an atheist like you in such a famous institute called ISKCON. If Shril Prabhupadji were here and he would know your ignorance then he would certainly call you rascal. Because ‘rascal’ was his favorite word for atheist. i cannot say you rascal because I am also bound Jeevatma like you and everyone. In SHIVA-Puran, BHAGAVAN SHIVA is stated as Paramatma. This means that there is no difference between MAHAVISHNU and SHIVA. But, the confused soul like you never consider SHIVA-Puran as Divine Scripture and will consider as a product of Tamogun ( mode of ignorance ).
Now, to make your understanding more clear, here i would like to tell some special devotional features of BHAGAVAN SHANKAR which are impossible to find in other devotees. Because BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is a devotee-aspect of Supreme Personality of Godhead, SHREEKRISHN as confirmed in Brahmsamhita 5.45 ( read also the commentary of Shril Jeev Goswami on this shloka ). Those devotional features are as follows :
( 1 ) There is no difference between body ( Sharir ) and AATMA
( Shariri ) of BHAGAVAN SHANKAR. This fact is
similarly applicable to HIS SHREERAM Bhakt form i.e.
to HIS HANUMAN form as well as HIS
ADVAITACHARYA form through which HE serves
SHREECHAITANYA MAHAPRABHUJI.
While for other devotee of Spiritual Universe,
there is a difference between his Spiritual Body and his
Aatma.
( 2 ) According to the Vedant-Sutra
" Jagadvyaapaar varjam ", SHREEKRISHN doesn't give
right to any of HIS infinte devotees of Spiritual Universe to
deal with the work related to creation of infinite
material universes. But the only devotee BHAGAVAN
SHANKAR can deal with and is dealing with the same
task.
( 3 ) Infinite Devotees of SHREEKRISHN of Spiritual Universe
are Mayatit ( i.e. are beyond any kind of influence
of material nature and not controller of this material
nature as well ) but are YOGAMAYAdhin ( i.e. are
governed by YOGAMAYA ) in Spiritual Universe.
While BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is such a
devotee who is MAYADHISH ( i.e. is beyond any
kind of influence of material nature as well as controller of
material nature ) and also YOGAMAYADHISH ( i.e.
governor of YOGAMAYA and that's why called
PARVATINAYAK ).
( 4 ) SHREEKRISHN's infinite devotees of Spiritual Universe are
Sat-Chit-Aanand-may ( i.e. are full of Eternity-Knowledge-
Bliss ).
While BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is such a devotee
who is SAT-CHIT-AANAND-GHAN ( i.e. Personified and
Solidified Eternity-Knowledge-Bliss ).
( 5 ) There are five Bhav ( i.e. Devotional Feelings ) to serve
SHREEKRISHN. In ascending order, first is Shant-Bhav
( of Vaikunth’s and Dwarika’s inhabitants’ ), then Dasya-Bhav
( of Saket’s inhabitants ), third is Sakhya-Bhaav ( of Arjun or of
Gopabal of Vraj ) then Vatsalya-Bhav ( of
Kaushalyaji-Dasharathmaharaj and
Yashodaji-Nandmaharaj ) and fifth is the topmost
Madhurya-Bhav ( of Vraj-Gopis ).
The devotee of SHREEKRISHN of Spiritual
Universe cannot enter into the higher state than his own.
Means, the devotee of Sakhya-Bhav can enter into the
Divine Regions of Dasya-Bhav and Shant-Bhav but
cannot enter into the Divine Regions of Vatsalya-Bhav
and Madhurya-Bhav. And so on for other devotees of
different Bhav.
But yes, devotee of Madhurya-Bhav can enter
into all the Divine Spaces of rest of the four Bhav. Thus,
he can enter into all the five Divine Spaces of Bhav. But
he can remain in and enjoy only one Divine Space at the
same time, not all the Divine Spaces of five Bhav
simultaneously.
But being a multi-dimensional Supreme
Personality of Godhead, BHAGAVAN SHANKAR can
enjoy and is enjoying all the five Divine Spaces
simultaneously. For example,
-the Divine Space of Shant-Bhav, in HIS own infinite
Abode Kailas Dham, HE enjoys HIS Absolute
Niranjan Samadhi in which HE meditates upon "
SHREEMAHAVISHNU-pad-nakhmani-
chandrikaaprakash " ( i.e. the Cool and Calm Divine
Light coming out from the Diamond of the nail of the
toe of the right leg of SHREEMAHAVISHNU ).
-the Divine Space of Dasya-Bhav, HE enjoys
different Leelas ( i.e. playful activities ) with HIS
SOUL-BELOVED SHREESITARAM by
assuming the form of HANUMAANJI. BHAGAVAN
SHANKAR also assumes the form of Murai Gupt ( which is
the expansion of HIS HANUMAN form ) while
undisappearance of SHREECHAITANYA
MAHAPRABHUJI on our planet Earth.
----When SHREERADHARANI undisappears on
our planet Earth in the form of SHREECHAITANYA
MAHAPRABHUJI, BHAGAVAN SHANKAR
assumes the form of ADWAITACHARYA ( which is
combined form of MAHAVISHNU and SADASHIV )
and in this form HE enjoys the Ras ( i.e. Divine Juice )
of Sakhya-Bhav and Vatsalya-Bhav depending
upon the Leela performed by SHREECHAITANYA
MAHAPRABHUJI.
-the Divine Space of Madhurya-Bhav,
BHAGAVAN SHANKAR assumes the form of
SHIVANI GOPI and enjoys the Supreme Divine
Juice by taking part in MahaRas with
SHREEKRISHN.
( 6 ) SHREEKRISHN sings a Loving Sweet Name
of HIS SOUL i.e. SHEERADHARANI in HIS
melodious Flute. This Flute is the root cause of
MahaRas Lila because after playing It, MahaRas
starts. Now, according to Veda-Mantra " Vansheehee tu
bhagavaan rudrah " , this Flute is no other than
BHAGAVAN SHANKAR Himself. It means that, in the
Divine Space of Madhurya-Bhav, BHAGAVAN
SHANKAR assumes two devotional forms : one is of
melodious Flute and the other is of SHIVANI GOPI.
Just imagine, BHAGAVAN SHANKAR is
drinking Vaikunth-Ras, Saket-Ras and Vraj-Ras of
infinite amount simultaneously even right now !!!! Then
what would be the extent of HIS Prem ( i.e. Divine Love )
for SHREEKRISHN !!!!??
So these are some of the devotional features of BHAGAVAAN SHANKAR out of HIS infinite devotional qualities. In reality, HIS devotional features are far beyond than these qualities stated above. In the words of a Gandharva Devotee namely, Pushpadantji :
Mahimnah paaram te paramavidusho yadhya sadrishi
Stutirbrahmaadinaamapi tadav sannastvayi girah |
Athaavaachyaasarva swamatiparinaamaavadhigrinan
Mamaapyeshastotre hara nirapavaadaparikarah ||
" O my dear BHAGAVAN SHANKAR ! if qualified intellect is necessary to chant your glorification, even intellect of Brahmaajee is not that much sufficient for that chanting. Because all are showing limits of their intellects, not your glorification. But despite of this, YOU accept their prayers. So i hope there should be no problem in accepting my this prayer which is born out of my limited knowledge. "
I bow down unto the lotus-feet of infinite devotees of SHREEKRISHN in Spiritual Universe. I am not interested at all in saying that other devotees of SHREEKRISHN in Spiritual Universe are inferior to BHAGAVAN SHANKAR. But my aim is to share the idea that such is our BHAGAVAN SHANKAR, a unique devotee.
Finally, there is no difference between HARI and HARA.
O my dear BHAGAVAN SHANKAR ! O my dear HANUMAANJI ! O my dear ADWAITACHARYAJI ! O my dear SADASHIV ! From YOU, i beg a single drop of that Divine Juice which YOU relish in the form of SHIVANI GOPI with my SOUL-BELOVED SHREERADHAKRISHN. From YOU, i beg Nishkam (i.e. selfishnessless ) Devotion unto the Lotus-Feet of my SOUL-BELOVED SHREERADHAKRISHN.
!! jay jay SHREERADHEY !!
!! jay jay SHREERADHEY !!
!! jay jay SHREERADHEY !!